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charlesluthor:
Apparently re u saying madrid is d best team?

olassy239:
are they not? even morata whome Chelsea wants to buy 70millon is a bench warmer

tolexy123:
Lesson: Talent without hard work fades easily.

Ronaldo may not be as talented as mercy but hardwork has gotten him to where he is now.

Up Manchester United

LordAdam16:
You are a LM10 fan, don't make absurd claims.

Messi is not better than Ronaldo. And I'm sick of the talent card or that he is more fun to watch.

All Messi does is glue the ball to his feet and run past players. That's all he does.

And if you want to talk about if that is the most entertaining thing in football. Then you didn't watch Ronaldinho play.

What Ronaldinho, Zizinho, Garrincha did with the ball, Pele, Maradona, and Messi can't fathom. Those people made football an art form.

Messi went to Barca at age 13 and trained at La Masia for at least 7 hours per day for 5 years before his debut. The only thing he has above Xavi and Iniesta is dribbling and goal scoring. In creativity, vision, passing, he is not at the same level as those two unsung heroes.

And that brings me to my main point, the game of football rewards goal scorers and achievers. That's how we measure the best players. Add a bit of skill, dribbling, or flair, and there's a straight ticket to the hall of fame.

If Messi wasn't scoring goals he wouldn't win a Ballon D'or. Ditto for Ronaldo.

Look at Barcelona's squad of 2009-2013? Replace Messi with any world class player from Neymar to Hazard to Dybala and they'd win the exact same number of trophies and Ballon D'ors that Messi won. If that same world class player played for Barcelona from 13 years of age, it'd be just as easy for the player.

In fact, this is the first time you'd be hearing this, but Barcelona didn't need Messi in that time period to win trophies. The proof is in the fact that between 2008 and 2013, the Spanish National Team was without doubt the best team in the world and won every tournament they participated in. Messi was not in that team, but the core of the team was Barcelona.

On the flip side, look at Ronaldo. When he was younger he was great at showboating but wasn't as clinical as he is now. Ronaldo started winning Ballon D'ors when he started achieving and he played in teams (sporting lisbon, manchester united, and real madrid) that were about critical, ruthless finishing than beautiful possession football and he adapted his game appropriately. Messi on the other hand played in a team that is about entertaining, possession football and that became his identity.

Ronaldo does not have to dribble 5 players to score a goal, because that is unnecessary in Madrid's team. In fact from Man U, Sir Alex had already weaned him of less flair and made him concentrate more on his clinical ability. Messi does not even have to dribble 5 players to score a goal, because the entire Barcelona team can pass a ball into the net. Spain won games and tournaments without a player running past multiple players to score or lay a pass.

But when you talk about Ronaldo's clinical ability, there is no word to describe it. The timing of his runs, positioning, goal scoring technique is all down to intelligence and being a smarter player overall. He knows he doesn't have to showboat, he has passed that stage. All his showboating won him 1 Ballon D'or and 1 champions league. His clinical ability and goal scoring got him 3 Ballon D'or's, 3 champions league, 1 Euro cup, and 5 consecutive UEFA golden boots. If you are Ronaldo, what would you do then, more showboating, or just honing your clinical ability and becoming the best finisher in the history of the sport?

There's Isco, Modric, Kroos, Casemiro to do all the passing, all he has to do is be part of the ruthless attack and finish where necessary or make an assist. Even when Barcelona was at their top form, he was outscoring Messi consistently scoring 50 goals per year since 2010, getting Real Madrid to the Semi Finals of the UEFA Champions league, and trailing Barcelona in the league. This was in a time of inconsistency in the Bernabeu (Perez sold Ozil and Di Maria in their prime) and this was without the Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets midfield (the best midfield post-2000) that Messi had.

Just look at the difference. Messi is out there running past Alavez players in a Copa Del Rey final, while Ronaldo is making himself available to make clinical finishes against the best defense of the season. Allegri said that even if they gave Barcelona an extra hour, they still wouldn't have found the back of the net. Ronaldo found it in 20 minutes. Found a second 40 minutes later. Look at his second goal yesterday. Modric did not even look before crossing the ball into the area, but Ronaldo anticipated the run and positioned himself to rattle the mighty BBC defense and slot past the goalkeeper legend, something the entire MSN couldn't do in 120 minutes.

Give me that versus Messi's run and I'll choose Ronaldo's clinical ability everyday.

As at 2012 in the peak of Messi's career on the back of an unbelievable Barcelona team, he had 4 Ballon D'ors to Ronaldo's 1. 3 Champions league to Ronaldo's 1. In 2012, the jury was out already that Messi was miles ahead because despite Ronaldo becoming an accomplished goal scorer and skillful player, he just wasn't getting the results that Messi got.

Fast forward 5 years and Ronaldo has won 3 of the last 4 champion's leagues, and is set to win 4 of the last 5 Ballon D'Ors, and is the top UEFA goal scorer for each of the last 5 years. This is at a time of his career when he should be declining.

The difference between Messi and Ronaldo is evident in this year's UEFA goal tally. Messi had 11 versus Ronaldo's 2 before the knockout stages. Yet Ronaldo outscored Messi. Give me that versus running past players, and I'd choose the former everyday. That's what makes Ronaldo the better player. He doesn't have a peak. He keeps outdoing himself because he doesn't have a competition.

Without Suarez and Xavi, Messi wouldn't have had the treble in '15. And since then it has been downhill for him and his team. And the future is even more bleak for him going forward as Iniesta withers off. I wouldn't write him off, but as long as Ronaldo keeps breaking records and redefining what it means to be the greatest player to have ever played the game, the accolades would keep coming his way.

Messi plays amazing football, but in modern football love goes to the top achievers and goal scorers. After all, goals earn points. Most of the love Messi gets right now is because of what he achieved in 2009-2013. All of the love Ronaldo gets right now is because of what he keeps achieving since 2007.

Notice how I did not even talk about international duty? Or about Ronaldo adapting and achieving phenomenal results in two different leagues?

So, as I said, you are an LM10 fan. Every CR7 fan knows why CR7 is better than Messi. That's the passage of rites to becoming a CR7 fan.

-Lord

9jakohai:
Messi: One world cup final.

Rinaldo: One world cup semi final.
Ronaldo: One euro cup final and he won
Messi: Two copa America final and he lost to the same team #chile
Case closed

No contest.

theoneJabulani:
I av always avoided the mrssi/ronaldo comparison, simply choosing to believe we are lucky to see them play. But at the end, one simply has to agree, Messi is a wizard, words cannot describe his talent But Ronaldo 's quest and obsession to be the best is what makes him a better player. He might not mesmerize his was past defenders or coming deep to influence play like messi but his persistence, hard work, and competitive streak is what sets him above his rival. CR7 keep proving ur doubters wrong.
MY humble option.
iHALA every MADRID fans worldwide

heckymaicon:
we have just 3 footballers in the world today,


RONALDO


messi

and

others

henrixx:
no. I disagree. I only believe Messi made Ronaldo a better player. Messi was destined for greatness. I remember an article on goal.com years back after that u20 win against Nigeria where the writer boldly claimed that Messi could go on to win the Ballon dor for many years as he's fiercely talented. Everyone who saw him knew it.

But that can't be said of Ronaldo, Ronaldo in his quest to be great found Messi in his way and had to work hard to be the best. U can see it in the way he plays and reacts to media about Messi comparisons

9jakohai:
Messi: One world cup final.
Rinaldo: One world cup semi final.
No contest.

9jakohai:
Messi: One world cup final.
Rinaldo: One world cup semi final.
No contest.

Mexico09:
In as much I am Barcelona fan I think Cr7 is a great goal scorer while Messi is a great dribbler.
And this Madrid team coupled with their coach is wey better than Barcelona's this season.

branham890:
messi is gifted not talented
ronaldo is talented


messi plays without stress!!!

rottennaija:
Just forget that thing. Madrid is by far better this time than barca. So they won and suddenly, Ronaldo is better than Messi.

Don't forget, Ronaldo is playing catch-up here. Next season, if barca wins, Messi suddenly becomes better than Ronaldo.

alBHAGDADI:
Messi is pure talent. Ronaldo is talent plus hard work training.

When talent sleeps, the o e that does hard work takes over.

jstbeinhonest:
You're joking right? Allegri coached Juve in '15, They had a Vidal, Pirlo, Tevez and Morata. The also won a double and knocked out Real that year, and were just as defensive, so stop goofing around.

taylor88:
una don start



before u know it



e-warriors will extend it to Davido and wizkid

naturalwaves:
He plays without stress yet he breathes so hard during games. You need a refund from your logic teacher. Idiota! Football itself is stress. You guys just chun out rubbish points all in the name of trying to score cheap points.

theoneJabulani:
I av always avoided the mrssi/ronaldo comparison, simply choosing to believe we are lucky to see them play. But at the end, one simply has to agree, Messi is a wizard, words cannot describe his talent But Ronaldo 's quest and obsession to be the best is what makes him a better player. He might not mesmerize his was past defenders or coming deep to influence play like messi but his persistence, hard work, and competitive streak is what sets him above his rival. CR7 keep proving ur doubters wrong.
MY humble option.
iHALA every MADRID fans worldwide

naturalwaves:
He plays without stress yet he breathes so hard during games. You need a refund from your logic teacher. Idiota! Football itself is stress. You guys just chun out rubbish points all in the name of trying to score cheap points.

khalids:
Messi is a team player and goes extra mile to add bite to the team.....we simultaneously plays central midfield, striker, supporting striker and winger......He is always trieving to push the team forward.
.......And Ronaldo is always trying to push the team backwards. Right? Smh

Ronaldo is a team player too....but he is only interested in scoring goals.....he plays as a sticker and hangs around the final half.
What is the primary duty of a forward? To try and concede goals I guess . Do you guys watch football with the back of your head? Cos what you said is not even true

In summary
On a day when Madrid is not functional, Ronald will most likely be no where to be found
When Ronaldo is not functional, madrid will still play well

On a day when Barca is not functional, Messi will still play well and probably win it for them
When Messi is not functional, Barca may not play well.


My question, what do you think will be the result if Ronaldo and Messi swap teams

Secrets11:
So because CR7 won last night he has suddenly become better than Messi? We all. Watched both guys go head-to-head in their last El Classico and please remind me who came out tops? Messi of course dismantled real Madrid while CR7 was no where to be found. Juventus wasn't an opposition that could trouble Madrid so my brother no even compare both guys because Messi is the best amongst the two guys

Secrets11:
So because CR7 won last night he has suddenly become better than Messi? We all. Watched both guys go head-to-head in their last El Classico and please remind me who came out tops? Messi of course dismantled real Madrid while CR7 was no where to be found. Juventus wasn't an opposition that could trouble Madrid so my brother no even compare both guys because Messi is the best amongst the two guys