The Baruba people of Kwara State occupying the Baruteen Local Government in the State with headquarter in Kosubosu are one of the most hospitable and peace loving people. We have some of them also on Benin Republic. They speak the Bantunu Language and their major towns and Cities include Kosubosu, Gwanara, Ilesa-Baruba, Okuta, Yashikira, Niki and so on. They are mostly agrarian in occupation and predominantly Muslims.

Abagworo:


Sometimes it is unwise to dabble into something you know not about using beer palour gist as your source.

I cannot say for Ogba and Ekpeye but Ikwerre isn't any Akalaka brother or whatsoever. There definitely were influence from Ekpeye at the west end just like there was Okrika to the South and Ogoni to the East but your information is flawed. Ikwerre and Etche are more related than those Akalaka people. Okpo Nwagidi is the father of Ikwerre and migrated out of Etcheland first before dispersing with his people to Isiokpo, Omuanwa, Omuagwa etc. with later migrations westwards and eastwards to occupy the vast area we have today. Ikwerre had no monarchy and does the Oha system which can be found in Etche and parts of Imo State.

The similarity in language is same as seen in all Igbo speaking people apart from Ekpeye.

Thank you. I wanted to say this when I read the write up but just decided to keep quiet. This recent and sudden claim about Ikwerres being from Benin is quite wrong and flawed when their true origin lies in a man called Okpo Nwagidi from the Igbo-speaking areas. Well, let's see.

Efewestern:


fratermathy create another thread let's argue intellectually.. I hope other itsekiris won't come and shout blue murder we I start presenting my fact?

Looking forward to


Don't forget to tag me

fratermathy:


Kudos for presenting your argument like a sane person. I'll, therefore, reply you.

1. Enuani is a pure Igbo dialect.
2. Ika is an IGBOID language, not a dialect.
3. Ndokwa is an IGBOID language, not a dialect.
4. Ikwerre is an IGBOID language, not a dialect.


I know the confusion may arise on what constitutes "Igboid languages" and "Igbo dialects". I'm not in a position to answer that. What I've written was sourced from academic sources on the languages. You may Google "Igboid languages" and read up yourself.

All those 4 tribes you mentioned linguistically are Igbo dialects, however 'Igboid' is the term coined for Igbo-speaking tribes that choose to identify as independent or not Igbo, as a way of mitigating calling them Igbo while Igbo proper is reserved for those who accept being Igbo.

Efewestern:


fratermathy create another thread let's argue intellectually.. I hope other itsekiris won't come and shout blue murder we I start presenting my fact?

Looking forward to


Don't forget to tag me

onuwaje:

Looking forward to


Don't forget to tag me

Which tribe actually owns Warri?

If I may ask, in whose land did the original warri town start from before it expanded to its current boundaries now?

Op should edit that thrash

Aniomas are igbos and will never be minorities

That is why we have Wikipedia but op will not use it

bigfrancis21:


Which tribe actually owns Warri?

If I may ask, in whose land did the original warri town start from before it expanded to its current boundaries now?

That topic is worth creating anoda thread for

genieluv:
@ OP, frathermathy, nice post.

I am from the middlebelt, so lemme help correct some little mistakes about the middlebelt ethnic groups here.

First of all it is JUKUN by spelling n not JUNKUN or JUNKUM as u spelt in some places. lol

>>>>Also, your number 22, Tivs were never part of Wukari federation.
Wukari federation was the successor state to the old Kwararafa kingdom after the kingdom was divided by internal divisions and jihad attacks from the Sokoto caliphate jihadists.

So, Wukari federation only consistes of the Jukuns, Kutebs, Ichens, Chambas, Jibu, Wapans and many other similar ethnic groups of Kwararafan descent in present day Southern Taraba, buh if you talk about the older Kwararafa kingdom which was the predecessor state to Wukari federation, that's where the Idomas, Igedes, Igbirras, some Igalas, Alagos, Mumuyes and many other dozens of middlebelt ethnic groups in Taraba, Benue, Nasarawa, Plateau, Adamawa and even Cross river states come in.
Thanks.

I have read your postings on the Kenyan thread. Seems you are quite knowledgeable about the history of the middle belt. I am from the middle belt too. Did you study history?

sandammy:
The Baruba people of Kwara State occupying the Baruteen Local Government in the State with headquarter in Kosubosu are one of the most hospitable and peace loving people. We have some of them also on Benin Republic. They speak the Bantunu Language and their major towns and Cities include Kosubosu, Gwanara, Ilesa-Baruba, Okuta, Yashikira, Niki and so on. They are mostly agrarian in occupation and predominantly Muslims.

Thank you for your wonderful contribution.

bigfrancis21:


All those 4 tribes you mentioned linguistically are Igbo dialects, however 'Igboid' is the term coined for Igbo-speaking tribes that choose to identify as independent or not Igbo, as a way of mitigating calling them Igbo while Igbo is reserved for those who accept being Igbo.

Well said. Your explanation seems plausible. At least you made your point like a rational being. But you should also know that Ukwuani and Ika are taught in schools as separate languages from Igbo. The languages, especially Ukwuani, are mutually unintelligible with Igbo, even to one another.

bigfrancis21:


Which tribe actually owns Warri?

If I may ask, in whose land did the original warri town start from before it expanded to its current boundaries now?

I created a thread in 2015 concerning the Warri ownership saga and it even made FP then.

Warri is a very volatile place but let me attempt to present you with some facts:

1. The traditional "Warri" is an Itsekiri enclave and the name seems to be derived from Itsekiri as well.
2. The modern Warri is largely made up of Urhoboland, with some parts of Itsekiriland.
3. The cosmopolitan Warri is 80% Urhoboland (extending to Delta Central LGAs such as Uvwie, Udu and Okpe).
4. The Olu of Warri title has attracted criticisms, litigations, etc between Ijaws (who also occupy riverine Warri areas), Itsekiri and Urhobos.
5. It was finally resolved that the Olu of Warri is JUST a title and he has no hold over Urhobo land or Ijaw land in Warri.
6. Traditional Urhobo homesteads in Warri include: Otovwodo, Ejeba, Ekurede-Urhobo, parts of Okere, Ogunu, Iyara, etc.
7. Itsekiri areas in Warri include: parts of Okere, Ugbuwanugue, parts of Alder's town, NPA area, etc
8. Itsekiris use the term "Warri" to refer to their entire land, including those areas NOT in the city of Warri.
9. Urhobos use Warri to refer ONLY to the Warri City where their land is situated and its adjoining areas. Urhobos have never claimed to own all of Warri but ONLY where their land is located.
10. Both the Urhobos and Itsekiris are MIGRANTS to the Warri area. Itsekiris migrated from Yorubaland while the Urhobos there migrated from Olomu and Agbarha. The time of the migration and who arrived first is a subject of controversy and lost to history.

joteee:


you should know the OP by now

he is a bigot

aniomas are prouldy igbos

. anioma are different from Igbo by Nigeria constitution.

Some idiot is deleting my comment.

fratermathy:


I created a thread in 2015 concerning the Warri ownership saga and it even made FP then.

Warri is a very volatile place but let me attempt to present you with some facts:

1. The traditional "Warri" is an Itsekiri enclave and the name seems to be derived from Itsekiri as well.
2. The modern Warri is largely made up of Urhoboland, with some parts of Itsekiriland.
3. The cosmopolitan Warri is 80% Urhoboland (extending to Delta Central LGAs such as Uvwie, Udu and Okpe).
4. The Olu of Warri title has attracted criticisms, litigations, etc between Ijaws (who also occupy riverine Warri areas), Itsekiri and Urhobos.
5. It was finally resolved that the Olu of Warri is JUST a title and he has no hold over Urhobo land or Ijaw land in Warri.
6. Traditional Urhobo homesteads in Warri include: Otovwodo, Ejeba, parts of Okere, Ugberikoko, Ogunu, Iyara, etc.
7. Itsekiri areas in Warri include Upper and Lower Erejuwa, parts of Okere, Ugbuwanugue, parts of Alder's town, NPA area, etc
8. Itsekiris use the term "Warri" to refer to their entire land, including those areas NOT in the city of Warri.
9. Urhobos use Warri to refer ONLY to the Warri City where their land is situated and its adjoining areas. Urhobos have never claimed to own all of Warri but ONLY where their land is located.
10. Both the Urhobos and Itsekiris are MIGRANTS to the Warri area. Itsekiris migrated from Yorubaland while the Urhobos there migrated from Olomu and Agbarha. The time of the migration and who arrived first is a subject of controversy and lost to history.

I ve no intention of prolonging warri issue on this thread but I need to quickly correct ur write-up about lower / upper erejuwa. Lower erejuwa is part of agbarha-warri, upper erejuwa is part of okumagba layout ( central warri). Itsekiri has no stake there.

joteee:
Op should edit that thrash

Aniomas are igbos and will never be minorities

That is why we have Wikipedia but op will not use it

will it kill majority of Igbo's to make a point without resort to insults?

OP should edit that trash indeed. do unto others what you would have them do to you.
that said, in all your intelligence you think Wikipedia is a veritable source that you can quote! think again and learn some manners while you're at it

Well said Igbo keen!

Igbo Kwen!

TheUmbra:


Please say that again! Only this time shout it out loud!

What makes anyone think Anioma will remain in Nigeria when the rest of our kin across the Niger leaves?

Your case is indeed pathetic.
now listen and listen good.
a. Igbos across the Niger (from anambra to wherever their boundary lie) from time immemorial nine out of ten times will refuse to accept you guys as true Igbo. they say those ones nor be real Igbo.

b. some of your own folks deny the igbos across the Niger saying those ones are "across the niger". we are Delta ibo

If you lived in Delta state for at least 10 years these are arguments and terms you should be familiar with.

so it beggars belief to come here and display crass ignorance and attempt to turn history on its head while spewing insults in the process as if that's the only way y'all know to drive home a point.

you are free to join your brothers across the Niger but remember you are already classified as second class citizens by the same igbos you are here clamoring to join the so called land of the sun and remember also that you will have to leave Delta state because you cannot have your cake and eat it.
a word is enough for the wise

Many minority groups in the South who don't know their history love to claim Benin ancestry. A trend I've noticed.

Obi1kenobi:
Many minority groups in the South who don't know their history love to claim Benin ancestry. A trend I've noticed.

So what is their true history since you know it?

jared007:
I ve no intention of prolonging warri issue on this thread but I need to quickly correct ur write-up about lower / upper erejuwa. Lower erejuwa is part of agbarha-warri, upper erejuwa is part of okumagba layout ( central warri). Itsekiri has no stake there.

upper Erejuwa is touching Agbassa Igbudu and Okere... Okumagba nr even near there sef


take am easy abeg

Obi1kenobi:
Many minority groups in the South who don't know their history love to claim Benin ancestry. A trend I've noticed.

do u knw ur history?

fratermathy:


I created a thread in 2015 concerning the Warri ownership saga and it even made FP then.

Warri is a very volatile place but let me attempt to present you with some facts:

1. The traditional "Warri" is an Itsekiri enclave and the name seems to be derived from Itsekiri as well.
2. The modern Warri is largely made up of Urhoboland, with some parts of Itsekiriland.
3. The cosmopolitan Warri is 80% Urhoboland (extending to Delta Central LGAs such as Uvwie, Udu and Okpe).
4. The Olu of Warri title has attracted criticisms, litigations, etc between Ijaws (who also occupy riverine Warri areas), Itsekiri and Urhobos.
5. It was finally resolved that the Olu of Warri is JUST a title and he has no hold over Urhobo land or Ijaw land in Warri.
6. Traditional Urhobo homesteads in Warri include: Otovwodo, Ejeba, parts of Okere, Ugberikoko, Ogunu, Iyara, etc.
7. Itsekiri areas in Warri include Upper and Lower Erejuwa, parts of Okere, Ugbuwanugue, parts of Alder's town, NPA area, etc
8. Itsekiris use the term "Warri" to refer to their entire land, including those areas NOT in the city of Warri.
9. Urhobos use Warri to refer ONLY to the Warri City where their land is situated and its adjoining areas. Urhobos have never claimed to own all of Warri but ONLY where their land is located.
10. Both the Urhobos and Itsekiris are MIGRANTS to the Warri area. Itsekiris migrated from Yorubaland while the Urhobos there migrated from Olomu and Agbarha. The time of the migration and who arrived first is a subject of controversy and lost to history.

ugberikoko (Ugborikoko) is in Uvwie

efeski:


Your case is indeed pathetic.
now listen and listen good.
a. Igbos across the Niger (from anambra to wherever their boundary lie) from time immemorial nine out of ten times will refuse to accept you guys as true Igbo. they say those ones nor be real Igbo.

b. some of your own folks deny the igbos across the Niger saying those ones are "across the niger". we are Delta ibo

If you lived in Delta state for at least 10 years these are arguments and terms you should be familiar with.

so it beggars belief to come here and display crass ignorance and attempt to turn history on its head while spewing insults in the process as if that's the only way y'all know to drive home a point.

you are free to join your brothers across the Niger but remember you are already classified as second class citizens by the same igbos you are here clamoring to join the so called land of the sun and remember also that you will have to leave Delta state because you cannot have your cake and eat it.
a word is enough for the wise

We all know the best way to make enemy in Delta north is to call them Igbo!

Lack of knowledge has made the Nigerian youth to keep using the Word Tribe and Ethnic Group to have the same meaning. All that you have listed here are Tribes found in Nigeria. We have only 3 Ethnic groups in Nigeria and they Are IGBO, HAUSA and YORUBA. The other over 300 Tribes in Nigeria are grouped under the 3 Ethnic groups that i have mentioned.

Tribes make up an ethnic group,China has thousands of Tribes but they have only about 50 Ethnic groups. Please read up Anthropological definitions of Tribe and ethnic group so that you can get a clearer picture.

Good day.

bigfrancis21:


Which tribe actually owns Warri?

If I may ask, in whose land did the original warri town start from before it expanded to its current boundaries now?

I don't really know why people think a particular tribe must own a city. Warri is pretty much like port-hacourt. In PH, the main port-hacourt town was in the Ijaw area and as the city grew, it spread into the Ikwerre villages and even to some parts of Ogoni land and even Obigbo is considered port-hacourt. So, just like port-hacourt, no tribe can lay claim to warri even though it started out as an Itsekiri enclave.

PrecisionFx:
Lack of knowledge has made the Nigerian youth to keep using the Word Tribe and Ethnic Group to have the same meaning. All that you have listed here are Tribes found in Nigeria. We have only 3 Ethnic groups in Nigeria and they Are IGBO, HAUSA and YORUBA. The other over 300 Tribes in Nigeria are grouped under the 3 Ethnic groups that i have mentioned.

Tribes make up an ethnic group,China has thousands of Tribes but they have only about 50 Ethnic groups. Please read up Anthropological definitions of Tribe and ethnic group so that you can get a clearer picture.

Good day.

You're the second person that i've encountered making tis kind of senseless assertion. Ethnic groups are usually and hugely related mainly through language and culture. based on your school of thought for example, Edo is Yoruba. Can an Edo person understand Yoruba and vice versa if they made no effort to learn the language? Can an Ibibio perso learn Igbo and vice versa? Can an Igala person communicate with an Hausa person by default?

Afam4eva:

You're the second person that i've encountered making tis kind of senseless assertion. Ethnic groups are usually and hugely related mainly through language and culture. based on your school of thought for example, Edo is Yoruba. Can an Edo person understand Yoruba and vice versa if they made no effort to learn the language? Can an Ibibio perso learn Igbo and vice versa? Can an Igala person communicate with an Hausa person by default?

Mr Afam, I dont have time to go into a shouting/insulting match with you. Just proceed to understand the meaning of the words you used. Fine the Anthropological definition of Ethnic group and Tribe. It will educate u well enough to the extent that you would not need to look for whom to insult.


In this assertion, The IGBOS whose population is over 40 Million have been labelled one ethnic group, But Cross river(less than 4 million people) alone have over 20 ethnic groups. Why should the SE alone be the geopolitical zone in nigeria that have one ethnic group and the remaining 5 geopolitical zones in nigeria have average of 60 ethnic groups each.


An Ethnic Group is a group of tribes.......Digg it.

Its only in nigeria that each village is an ethnic group...