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Zandha:
Are you an atheist? The picture you uploaded can only prove the atheist's point further. If God is freer than man and God's freedom RESTRICTS MAN'S FREEDOM, why is man allowed to go against God's will with his "free will", since [color=darkgreen]he's supposed to be the LOSER whenever his freedom goes against God's freedom[/color]? Or is the man in that picture an atheist trying to prove a point?

AnonyNymous:
If the meme she uploaded is true, it means the following:

-God is evil (by our understanding of evil) since his free will wins against ours. Therefore it is his will that suicide bombers or pedophiles do the things they do.

-Our free will is an illusion. Because we only get to exercise free will when it conforms to his way.

-Heaven and hell as described by religion is not a 'reward' or 'punishment', rather, they are just places where the script written by God is played out.

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Zandha:
Exactly so. [color=darkgreen]The existence of a prescient God is INCOMPATIBLE with free will[/color].

Zandha:
Are you an atheist? The picture you uploaded can only prove the atheist's point further. If God is freer than man and God's freedom RESTRICTS MAN'S FREEDOM, why is man allowed to go against God's will with his "free will", since [color=darkgreen]he's supposed to be the LOSER whenever his freedom goes against God's freedom[/color]? Or is the man in that picture an atheist trying to prove a point?

Give me instances of men Going against God's free will? or better put His omniscience?

Don't tell me doing evil cos those are very much in God's will.

An2elect2:
Give me instances of men Going against God's free will? or better put His omniscience?

Don't tell me doing evil cos those are very much in God's will.

AnonyNymous:
With this, how can you still claim that free will is not an illusion? If there is only one plate of food on the table and you are asked to 'choose' whichever plate you like, have you expressed free will? Is that not just an illusion of choice?

Also, you claim that perpetrators of evil are merely carrying out God's plan. So why do you condemn them? If their free will said they should do what we humans consider as morall/the right thing, and God's plan for them was to become rapists/murderers/pedophiles, why do you castigate and condemn them? Should your anger not be directed towards God?

An2elect2:
Give me instances of men Going against God's free will? or better put His omniscience?

Don't tell me doing evil cos those are very much in God's will.

An2elect2:
O yes. Man's freewill is an illusion. Only God is not bound by anything or body.

Your question has been asked and answered in the Bible.

No man can do anything good/holy outside of God that means man deserves all the blame for his sins because he can't produce anything good anyway. If he is pardoned it is not for anything inside of him but for God's sake.

So who are you to question God, o man?

AnonyNymous, sin', on the other hand, isn't so clear. Our conscience is built upon by the morality of the society we live in. Which is why those who haven't been exposed to civilization can easily behead another human being as a sacrifice, and see absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Zandha:
So EVERYTHING, including evil is part of God's will and predetermined by him? So, what business does God have punishing evil people if everything has been predestined and has, in fact, ALREADY happened (since God isn't bound by time)? So some people are already destined for hell, and some others for heaven? Then what is the point of this whole show? To gratify your God's bestial and sadistic tendencies? What sort of a Psychopath do you worship? Isn't it better to accept that this God his false than believe in this kind of evil nonsense that renders everybody innocent and [color=darkgreen]UNACCOUNTABLE to their deeds[/color] since they're just automatons subject to God's whims and caprices?

Are you a Calvinist?

Zandha:
So EVERYTHING, including evil is part of God's will and predetermined by him? So, what business does God have punishing evil people if everything has been predestined and has, in fact, ALREADY happened (since God isn't bound by time)? So some people are already destined for hell, and some others for heaven? Then what is the point of this whole show? To gratify your God's bestial and sadistic tendencies? What sort of a Psychopath do you worship? Isn't it better to accept that this God his false than believe in this kind of evil nonsense that renders everybody innocent and [color=darkgreen]UNACCOUNTABLE to their deeds[/color] since they're just automatons subject to God's whims and caprices?

Are you a Calvinist?

luvmijeje:
Thank you Sir for the questions. I'm tired of An2elect2's teachings.

She's indirectly doing the work of the devil because she's telling people not to bother living a life of righteousness.

By the way, An2elect2, what's the name of your church?

luvmijeje:
Sin is not so clear. Is it not clearly written in the Bible?in case you missed it Genesis 9:6 said.

6 If anyone takes a human life, that person’s life will also be taken by human hands. For God made human beings[a] in his own image

An2elect2:
Luvmijeje may the Lord rebuke you for accusing me of preaching what I've never preached.

Just because you don't know how God works, is not same for others.

You can keep trusting in your righteousness and falsely calling it the grace of God, I'll stick to Christ as my righteousness. No thanks.

AnonyNymous:
I suggest you read further and thoroughly digest my points. Sin, according to the Bible is clearly written. Sin, according to the Quran is clearly written. Sin, according to the Torah is clearly written. However, each of these definitions of sin are different. Also, each of these definitions of sin were brought to us by humans who all claim to be divinely inspired by the same God. So, on what basis do you think your definition of sin is the correct one? If you say

-because you 'feel it in your heart'

-because of faith

-because of personal experience

Then you are no different from the bushman who slaughters his fellow humans in sacrifice. Or the suicide bomber who kills for his God. Why? Because according to his religion's definition of sin, those actions are not bad. And he is convinced for the same reason you are:

-he feels it in his heart

-he has faith that he's doing the right thing

-he believes that he has had a personal encounter with God, just as you believe you have.

So then comes my question. If there is a supernatural God existing beyond the confines of space and time who is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient,

-he knew this confusion would arise if he tried to send the definition of sin through humans. He knew that different definitions would arise (I.e, different religions, different holy books) due to OMNISCIENCE

-he has been watching these events unfold (due to OMNIPRESENCE)

-he is capable of stopping the confusion as regards to the meaning of sin, and unify all religions in the clearest way possible, such that there will be only one religion - the truth (due to OMNIPOTENCE)

Why then, does he allow the confusion on earth as to what is right and what is wrong to go on?

luvmijeje:
So you are not even a Christian. Wrong thread.. .. .. Na that girl carry come here.

An2elect2:
God has never been a pleasing personality to natural man. Even Jesus was not a "nice" man that's the reason for this statement: Blessed is the man that is not offended by me Matthew 11:6.

But is God good? Yes. It may not be your definition of good but who cares about yours? Where else can good come if not God?

Isn't God at liberty to create vessels for His mercy and those for His wrath. Yes because He made all things for himself not vice versa.

I'm a reformed Christian. I subscribe to the old Christianity.

AnonyNymous:
Please oblige me and reply to the concerns I raised. They're not intended to mock your beliefs in any way. Who knows, you could be 'saving a soul'. But apart from that I would really like to know the Christian point of view on the op.

Zandha:
So God didn't foresee this "error" that was supposed to occur in the Garden of Eden? How could God have left Eve to the Devil, knowing that Eve was naive and the Devil was infinitely smarter, even though he was there watching the whole time, since he was supposed to be omnipresent?

Hier:
I don't know, but God certainly expected man to overcome

Zandha:
This one doesn't know the meaning of omniscience and prescience. In this case, I give up before I start.

Hier:
Hmmmmm, I'm currently composing a text on the supposed meaning of omniscience, well, be my guest

Zandha:
Of course! I'll gladly honour the invitation.

AnonyNymous:
-he knew this confusion would arise if he tried to send the definition of sin through humans. He knew that different definitions would arise (I.e, different religions, different holy books) due to OMNISCIENCE

-he has been watching these events unfold (due to OMNIPRESENCE)

-he is capable of stopping the confusion as regards to the meaning of sin, and unify all religions in the clearest way possible, such that there will be only one religion - the truth (due to OMNIPOTENCE)

Why then, does he allow the confusion on earth as to what is right and what is wrong to go on?

Zandha:
You subscribe to the most ideologically evil sect of Protestantism? You're a more serious case than the rest.

AnonyNymous:
So basically it means you're saying the future is set in stone and nothing can change it! That is, we have free will, but its just an illusion. Its not real. No matter how we think things through, our actions have to conform to a pattern that's already existing in spacetime! Interesting!


But then, if it is so. . . 'evil' people cannot be blamed for their actions.

Zandha:
Your freewill argument is invalid, bro, and I will show you why. Did God kill any offender in the Bible AGAINST his will? Did God make people prophets AGAINST their will? Did God make Paul an Apostle AGAINST his will? Does God protect Christians AGAINST the evil will of sinister people out to cause them harm? If the answer to all these is yes, then God doesn't give a fuck_ about freewill! So, why infringe on people's freewill when it suits him, but give them free reign when [color=darkgreen]his interference REALLY MATTERS[/color]?

Why should God disregard a person's freewill and make him a Pastor by force, but cannot show the same disregard towards the freewill of a pedophilic rapist trying to defile an innocent feeble little girl?

Why should God disregard the freewill of ritualists trying to kidnap a person, but show no such disregard the next day towards the freewill of the ritualists to kidnap someone else for diabolical purposes?

Why doesn't he disregard the freewill of suicide bombers and stop them in their tracks? The free will of armed robbers? The free will of public fund looters? The free will of the American Ronald Reagan to help Afghan terrorists against the atheist soviets, empowering Islamic radicals as a consequence, and making us suffer their terror till today?

Does an hurricane have free will? Do tornados? Does fire?

Why doesn't God interfere in all of these instances even though he is PRESENT WATCHING the victims, closer to their very mind and body than they can ever imagine, and can even see the horror through their eyes and feel it through their skins? Either this God doesn't exist or he's the most fucked_ up psychopathic lunatic in the entire universe.

And, no, nothing here is beyond human understanding. It takes just a little bit of common sense. Not even close to a quarter of the sophisticated thinking required to get by in Physics class - and Physics is a HUMAN subject.

An2elect2:
Luvmijeje may the Lord rebuke you for accusing me of preaching what I've never preached.

Just because you don't know how God works, is not same for others.

You can keep trusting in your righteousness and falsely calling it the grace of God, I'll stick to Christ as my righteousness. No thanks.

luvmijeje:
Thank you Sir for the questions. I'm tired of An2elect2's teachings.

She's indirectly doing the work of the devil because she's telling people not to bother living a life of righteousness.

By the way, An2elect2, what's the name of your church?

An2elect2:
Don't judge what most religious men term "evil" on the surface. When something is hated with no better reason than appealing to man's emotional sense its best you look at it again.

This sect that is termed "evil" is the foundation of Protestantism. It is what Martin Luther preached, what the "prince of preachers" Charles Spurgeon preached, what Paul the apostle preached.

I tell you the doctrines they preached were not taken lightly by men who had only an outward form of religion. It is like that now.

The truth is always hated by the majority. So it is now. The reformed doctrines TULIP give God all the glory and acknowledge a call to holiness but only by God's grace.

adepeter26:
Confusion in the atmosphere

Hahahahahaha.