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platinumphotos:
So what do u expect? That when someone is trying to murder an innocent person, the innocent person suddenly becomes harm resistant while the evil person slumps and dies? That ain't free will. God watched when Stephen was put to death, all Christ's disciples died gruesome deaths, yet God was watching. Even His dear son, our Lord and Saviour was humiliated and killed by sinners, yet God has to watch as long as the perpetrators had free will.

An2elect2:
Don't judge what most religious men term "evil" on the surface. When something is hated with no better reason than appealing to man's emotional sense its best you look at it again.

This sect that is termed "evil" is the foundation of Protestantism. It is what Martin Luther preached, what the "prince of preachers" Charles Spurgeon preached, what Paul the apostle preached.

I tell you the doctrines they preached were not taken lightly by men who had only an outward form of religion. It is like that now.

The truth is always hated by the majority. So it is now. The reformed doctrines TULIP give God all the glory and acknowledge a call to holiness but only by God's grace.

luvmijeje:
Go and sit down.

Student125:
One thing I know is, even if you see glaring evidence staring at u, you will defend whatever you were brought up to believe for almost 30 years against the glaring truth. if you are xtian,muslim Buddhist etc.
I want u to knw u RE all suffering from the same thing (brainwash).
The three major reason why some change their religion is
1) if they hav poor foundation in their previous religion( they are easily manipulated)
2) if they seek/got solution to their predicament from another religion.
3) marriage(common among ladies).
Aside this, it is difficult to change ur believe instead would rather be atheist or just be in the religion bt as non practicing.

Zandha:
Everything is predestined and happens according to God's will? There is no freewill, right? In which case no one can be held accountable for their actions since they're a mere robot acting a script? Calvinism is a ridiculously and astonishingly BOLDY evil ideology. Tah!

An2elect2:
Hahhaha Pride. It's very human to hate the truth.

Hate us for all we care. We love the truth and cannot be saved through any other way. Deal with it!

luvmijeje:
Genesis 2:16-17

16 But the Lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden— 17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.”

Sir, this is the first commandments God gave to man. I'll use the above test to answer the questions you raised.

Why does God allowed confusion on earth as to what's right and wrong?

Answer: Because God is not an Author of confusion. Men created problem for themselves because of their disobedience.

Why did He send definition of sin through humans?

Answer: These men are not just human but they are Prophet of God and the Son of God. And who are they? Moses and Jesus respectively.

he is capable of stopping the confusion as regards to the meaning of sin, and unify all religions in the clearest way possible.

Answer: After the confusion caused by the hands of men due to their disobedience God sent His son Christ to stop the confusion caused by men. Mark 16:15-16 says
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Sir, God is not the authur of confusion.

platinumphotos:
No, evil people have to be blamed for their actions. They have the law of the land, they chose to disobey it. God didn't destine them to disobey the laws, He only knew before the world began that in a particular year, there would be an evil disobedient person called Mr XYZ.
E.g Evans, God didn't create him to kidnap people, but He knew he will kidnap people and he also knew the particular date, time and place he will be caught. God didn't determine any of his steps, he only knew about it.
Let's consider DejaVu, has it happened to you before? How do u explain that?

Every conscious effort to stop the fulfillment of such prophecies is only an indirect effort to aid it's fulfillment. Remember Joseph? Every effort of the brothers and others are only the required efforts to fulfill the prophecy.

AnonyNymous:
Thank you for replying. A question I have for you now is, what evidence do you have that those two people were sent by the creator of the universe? What evidence do you have that Moses was 'sent' by the one who formed existence billions of years ago, and what evidence do you have that Jesus is his son?

Remember, if the bible is your only source of proof, then your belief is akin to other religions, in the sense that they also have their holy books, compiled by humans who claim to be divinely inspired. From their holy books they were also able to draw out figures who they believe were sent by the creator of the universe.

luvmijeje:
Beautiful question. Someone else has asked this question. And my answer simply is because I've had an encounter with Christ.

Sir, I can't logically prove it because it's beyond human reasoning. It's beyond the reasoning of the natural man.

AnonyNymous:
This led me to 'tasting' so many religions but still not finding my answers. And here I am today.

AnonyNymous:
Hi, sorry I couldn't get back to you on time yesterday.

Now, remember you said:


In other words, no matter what happens, no matter how they are preached to, they must follow the path as seen by God in his plan. According to the bible remember, God has a plan for everything in the universe.

Have you heard of the butterfly effect? Basically it explains how the tiniest actions can lead to extreme consequences. For example, me sneezing now could indirectly lead to World War 3 through a chain of connected events.

Now, if God has a plan for the universe, and has seen the flow of events leading up to the final execution of his plan, it means people who commit crimes are integral to his plan, right? And remember, God's plan MUST be fulfilled, and he is omniscient- he can never be wrong.

You then say that all conscious efforts a future criminal makes to steer his life on the right path are actually still leading up to him committing that crime. Is free will not an illusion? Is his 'choice' not an illusion? It's like putting someone in a maze with only one exit. No matter which detours he takes he will still pass through that opening. What choice does he then have? Can he be blamed for passing through that opening when that is the only opening available?

luvmijeje:
Genesis 2:16-17

16 But the Lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden— 17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.”

Sir, this is the first commandments God gave to man. I'll use the above test to answer the questions you raised.

Why does God allowed confusion on earth as to what's right and wrong?

Answer: Because God is not an Authur of confusion. Men created problem for themselves because of their disobedience.

Why did He send definition of sin through humans?

Answer: These men are not just human but they are Prophet of God and the Son of God. And who are they? Moses and Jesus respectively.

he is capable of stopping the confusion as regards to the meaning of sin, and unify all religions in the clearest way possible.

Answer: After the confusion caused by the hands of men due to their disobedience God sent His son Christ to stop the confusion caused by men. Mark 16:15-16 says
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Sir, God is not the authur of confusion.

AnonyNymous:
This whole topic is based on the hypotheses that a God which interacts with the universe exists. This God is also omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. This description is seen in almost all major religions.


God is supposed to be omniscient. Implying that he/she/it knows all the shortcomings of humans, and how unreliable humans are.

There is no doubt that smoking, for example, is bad for your lungs. No matter where you are in the world, proper equipment can reveal images of the damage done to your lungs by smoking.

Then if you still choose to smoke, its a choice made by your own free will and you are prepared for the consequences.

'sin', on the other hand, isn't so clear. Our conscience is built upon by the morality of the society we live in. Which is why those who haven't been exposed to civilization can easily behead another human being as a sacrifice, and see absolutely nothing wrong with it.

My question is, "Why did God leave his/her/its 'message' to humans, knowing fully well that they would distort it?" God is supposed to be omnipresent as well- which means he/she/it was watching the whole time the 'misinterpretation' was going on.

God, being omnipotent, is capable of presenting his message towards humans in a clear way, devoid of any inconsistencies or logical fallacies, that would be understandable by all humans who come across it. Omnipotence is basically the power to be able to do anything.

If the 'right' religion was clear, there would be only one religion. Just as scientists unanimously believe that smoking of any form does damage to the lungs. There'd be no way to distort it, just like you can't distort scientific facts because they are available for all to see.

I've asked this question, and an answer I got previously was 'because we're supposed to have faith'.

Now that's a dangerous answer. Here's why: if everything is dependent on faith and not understanding, then the only reason you follow your religion is random chance. Which means that you are no different from the tribesman in the thickest African forest who eats his fellow human beings as a form of prayer to his God. After all, its all by faith. Left to him, there are a lot of things that his mere 'mortal mind' cannot comprehend, but he just has to keep eating his brothers and sisters with faith that he's doing the right thing.


Please bring forward your reasonable contributions.

Willzz:
With all due respect ma, how was man suppose to know eating the fruit would be bad when he had no knowledge of good and evil before then?

luvmijeje:
Beautiful question with a direct answer.

God told them. It was a test. It was a simple instruction.
I have gotten another revelation. Thanks for asking me this question .

Do you know eating of tree of the knowledge of good and evil is not the sin they committed. It was because they simply didn't hearken to the voice of God.

What do I mean? Gen 3:23 says

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

Emphasis on the man has become as one of us. But that was God's purpose from the beginning. He created man in His own image.

This show the tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't the sin. The sin was them failing the test. The sin was the sin of disobedience.

I don't know if I'm making sense?

Willzz:
Ma, from your reply above concerning God sending man away because he has become of them simply means God never created man to be awaken to the God-conciousness but to be ignorant of his true nature which is the God life.
Perhaps, that is why some christain sects believe the serpent came to set man free from yahweh

luvmijeje:
You missed the other part of the quote which is :
lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

But before this Adam has been eating of this tree of life. Adam has been awaken to the God-conciousness before His disobedience .
God didn't sent Adam out of Eden because they have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But they were sent out because He didn't want them to eat of the tree of life again which they were eating before. Gen 2:16
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Including the tree of life. They were eating already from the tree of life. They were already God like. Their disobedience made them lose their right.

Willzz:
Ma, if man had the God-consciousness before the fall, he wouldn't have eating from the tree of knowledge because been God-conscious comes with the knowledge to tell good from bad.
I also disagree with you ma about man eating from the tree of life before his supposed fall because a single taste would have made him immortal which was wat the gods never wanted.
Anyways, I really appreciate you for taking out some minutes out of your busy schedule to reply to my posts, I have learnt a few things, I'm grateful

luvmijeje:
I'll appreciate you quoting Biblical verses to back your claim.

But to let you when Adam ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil he lost God's conscieness. Gen 2:17 says

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Death was the judgement of their disobedience. If they were not already exhibiting God-conciousness, He wouldn't have given them the options. He wouldn't have tested them.

Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil doesn't mean man will know the difference between good and evil.

It only means man forfeit his right to eat the tree of life and thereby live forever.

Willzz:
I believe every man has within him the life force of God but its all about been conscious of such life. You know, you are the first christain I have met on nairaland who did not use insults to drive home her points.
We all are entitle to our different opinions, there will be no need to keep running this rat race.
Enjoy your night My Lady