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Ngozi123:
Exactly. I don't know why that poster keeps switching his arguments from 'state was used to describe MidWest region' to 'state was used interchangeably with region' to 'Ejoor used a modern concept to describe a historical one'. Which one is it?

Whichever ways, we got the context already except you're trying to be smart!

[b]“It was in mid – November 1965 that we held the one and only formal meeting that preceded the coup .The meeting was held in Lagos, in the military quarters of Major Ifeajuna……The meeting was very short. There was a consensus
that something had to be done quickly to save Nigeria from anarchy and disintegration and to restore peace and unity to the nation. It was agreed that only the use of force could bring immediate end to the violence being perpetrated in many parts of the country. It was, however, agreed that the use of force should be minimal. Political leaders and their collaborators were to be arrested, but wherever an arrest was resisted, it was to be met with force. Otherwise, no one was to be killed. Only the heads of government, that is, the Prime Minister, the four regional premiers and their right – hand men, were considered most essential to arrest throughout the country. And among their military collaborators, only the top echelon and those holding strategic positions were named for arrest. These included the GOC of the Nigerian Army, General Ironsi, the commanders of the two brigades, Brigadiers Ademulegun and Maimalari, the Chief of Staff Army HQ, Colonel Kur Mohammed, and the Adjutant General of the Army, Lieutenant – Colonel Pam. Others were the Deputy Commander of the NDA, Colonel Shodeinde, the Quartermaster – General of the Army, Lieutenant – Colonel Unegbe and the Commander of the 4th Battalion which was based in Ibadan and was the most politicised unit of the Army, Lieutenant-Colonel Largema.
Contrary to the load of wicked propaganda that has since been heaped on us, there was no decision in our meeting to single out any particular ethnic group for elimination or destructionOur intentions were honourable , our views were national and our goals were idealistic. We intended that the coup should be national in execution so that it would receive national acclamation. We planned that the use of force should be minimal so that our methods could at once be seen as superior to those of the politicians, who simply went on killing the very people they were called upon to govern. The need to bring more of the middle level officers (Majors and Lieutenant – Colonels) was discussed. But the few names that could be mentioned had to be dropped because their interpersonal connections would compromise the security of the planning. After ninety minutes of discussion, the meeting was over. We dispersed as if from a prayer meeting since it was a Sunday and the Lord was in our midst……..“[/b]

Ademoyega

Ngozi123:
I honestly didn't read your question but now that I have, I don't think that it's a good analogy to use considering all of the other factors surrounding the coup. Using your analogy, the coup consisted of an Igbo man running around Nigeria, killing all non-Igbo politicians. This was not the case and the fact that you think that it was makes me question your judgment.

Not an Igbo man, but a group with majority being Igbo officers. Those who dictated the show were definitely Igbos. Now, I wont want this argument to become to deep in tribalism, hence, I would suggest we let it slide. Sensitive topics like this can go South easily.

Diademk07:
No, I was only explaining the context of that statement. The fact is the midwest was a minority state/region or whichever ways it is, carved out from the West.

The context is all that matter and it's as clear as daylight yet you're hell bent on the word 'state' but the question is, do actually think Ejoor meant that some states in this present Nigeria are minority? Pray tell, which of the state is a minority state? Of course, he was talking about his midwest region/state! Jeez!

At least you've said this yourself. I agree with you that context is key here, which is why Ejoor claiming that Aguiyi-Ironsi used a very modern concept to describe a historic one is very suspicious.

You do realise that with the bolded, you're only supporting my argument, right? Why would Aguiyi-Ironsi say that it is a "small state, a minority state"?

On January 3, 1966, I went to work with Ifeajuna. After extensive prodding, we discovered that the Balewa Government had a terrible plan to bring the Army fully to operate in the West for the purpose of eliminating the elites of that region, especially the intellectuals who were believed to be behind the intransigence of the people against the Akintola Government. It was for this reason that the government
had attacked the intellectuals of the Region, especially those at Ife, intimidating and victimizing them for their refusal to support it. People like Solarin of May Flower School, Ikenne, were among those marked down. It was also intended that if the plan succeeded in the West, the next target would be the East. The Federal Government was to use loyal troops for this purpose and the 4th Battalion at Ibadan
commanded by Lieutenant – Colonel Largema and the 2nd Battalion temporarily commanded by Major Igboba, but soon to be taken over by Lieutenant ‐Colonel Gowon, were designated for this assignment.”
If the January boys had not intervened, Sardauna and the Balewa Federal Government would have recolonised and severely subjugated Southern Nigeria and placed it in a condition far worse than Southern Sudan experienced before her independence. Damola, I hope you can now see that the January coup was very divinely timely. Ademoyega continued ” The operation was fixed for the third week of January 1966, when the Sardauna would have returned from his pilgrimage, and Lieutenant – Colonel Gowon would have completed his takeover of the Ikeja Battalion. In preparation of this horrible move by the Federal Government, the high echelons of the Army and the Police were being reshuffled.
Major – General Ironsi was ordered to proceed on leave from mid – January. He was to be relieved by Brigadier Maimalari, over the head of Brigadier Ademulegun…..In the Police, Inspector – General Edet was sent on leave from December 20,1965.The officer closest to him was retired and the the third officer, Alhaji Kam Salem was brought in as the new Inspector – General. The stage was thus set for the proper walloping of the West…….

Ngozi123:
If you're claiming with this comment that Igbos in the North brought the 1966 pogroms on themselves then I'd point you to the 1945 pogrom in Jos and 1953 pogrom in Kanu plus the many others that succeeded them against the Igbos. The common denominator here was not and is not the assassination of several Northern leaders.

Isn't it funny that you've always known the North to be blood thirsty and with little patience yet ibo would rather provoke them while the Northerners' wounds were still fresh. I repeat that ibo actions led to the civil war, kapish!

Diademk07:
Whichever ways, we got the context already except you're trying to be smart!

When someone takes a supposed direct quote from someone else and said quote is proven to be a fallacy, why would your first instinct be to try to explain said quote rather than just accept it as a lie? The man has literally put words in Ironsi's mouth, which you yourself have admitted. Any credible historian would dismiss this quote as junk.

Igbophobic Yorubas are really despicable, promoting Igbo hate, justifying Igbo massacre, while twisting and turning logic on its head to make any who stands to oppose them as the hateful one.

But thank God for few shinning lights like Ademoyega, who despite not having anything to lose, stood by the truth.

Diademk07:
Isn't it funny that you've always known the North to be blood thirsty and with little patience yet ibo would rather provoke them while the Northerners' wounds were still fresh. I repeat that ibo actions led to the civil war, kapish!

It's good that you admit that the North has always been bloodthirsty. Why, then would you blame the Igbos for starting the civil war whilst still acknowledging this?

You say in one line that the North is bloodthirsty "and with little patience" yet in the very next line you say that "Igbo actions led to the civil war"? Surely, in the first line, you're admitting to the North's culpability in the build up to the Biafran war?

Ngozi123:
At least you've said this yourself. I agree with you that context is key here, which is why Ejoor claiming that Aguiyi-Ironsi used a very modern concept to describe a historic one is very suspicious.

You do realise that with the bolded, you're only supporting my argument, right? Why would Aguiyi-Ironsi say that it is a "small state, a minority state"?

Don't try to play smart. We all know he meant his midwest region. It may have been a slip which is allowed, considering he was giving his account after many years, in our modern days.

pazienza:
Where did Nzeogwu call that coup Igbo coup in the article you just posted.

Don't for once think you are presenting a new info here, I had dissected that article with you Igbophobic co travellers many times here, and other than Conjectures and misrepresentation of Nzeogwu words to suit their already prepared conceived conclusion of Igbo coup, all of them failed to show me where and how Nzeogwu called the coup an Igbo coup.

Keep roaming.

Just what I expected you to say. When Ejindu asked Nzeogwu how TRIBALISTIC was the coup in conception and execution and Nzeogwu said that the coup was tribalistic in the way it was executed in the South, you still want to see the word 'Igbo' mentioned abi before you accept what the facts so eloquently testify to especially when at that time the word was already rife that it was a coup perpetrated by Igbo soldiers(igbo coup). Why did Ejindu ask that question and why did Nzeogwu confirm it that it was tribalistic?

See I am not here to drag all Igbos for all time into the mess done by soldiers of igbo extraction at a particular point in our history. That is absolutely unnecessary but at least it serves the cause of truth to acknowledge the glaring fact that that coup was conceived and executed by mainly igbo soldiers. It's common parlance to say yoruba team if a team dominated by Yorubas wins a match, same as when our people commit atrocities abroad it is tagged 'Nigerian'
If you go back to my first intervention I used two key words: it was an Igbo coup both in planning and execution because this fact is so glaring, so conspicuous. As for the intention of the coup makers that can only be inferred.

Diademk07:
Don't try to play smart. We all know he meant his midwest region. It may have been a slip which is allowed, considering he was giving his account after many years, in our modern days.

But you said that 'state' and 'region' were used interchangeably at the time? Which one is it?

pazienza:
Igbophobic Yorubas are really despicable, promoting Igbo hate, justifying Igbo massacre, while twisting and turning logic on its head to make any who stands to oppose them as the hateful one.

But thank God for few shinning lights like Ademoyega, who despite not having anything to lose, stood by the truth.

Lmao! Pot, kettle! Like you don't hate the Yorubas?

The point if you expect us to accept your hates and reviosinism like Kanu was churning out, we will always rebuke it in numbers. Don't just play the victim when shite hit the fans. Accept your responsibility and we will accept ours, kapish!

Ngozi123:
But you said that 'state' and 'region' were used interchangeably at the time? Which one is it?

For someone who scaled through both the modern and prehistoric era, yes, it's interchangeable for him. Kapish!

jargo89:
Not an Igbo man, but a group with majority being Igbo officers. Those who dictated the show were definitely Igbos. Now, I wont want this argument to become to deep in tribalism, hence, I would suggest we let it slide. Sensitive topics like this can go South easily.

This word alone shows why your analogy is flawed. Not true. Awolowo masterminded the plan, with the help of Fajuiyi and some soldiers, including Ifeajuna. I don't actually believe that Nzeogwu was a mastermind behind it as he got involved quite late into the planning. It involved people from across Nigeria.

pazienza:
[b]“It was in mid – November 1965 that we held the one and only formal meeting that preceded the coup .The meeting was held in Lagos, in the military quarters of Major Ifeajuna……The meeting was very short. There was a consensus
that something had to be done quickly to save Nigeria from anarchy and disintegration and to restore peace and unity to the nation. It was agreed that only the use of force could bring immediate end to the violence being perpetrated in many parts of the country. It was, however, agreed that the use of force should be minimal. Political leaders and their collaborators were to be arrested, but wherever an arrest was resisted, it was to be met with force. Otherwise, no one was to be killed. Only the heads of government, that is, the Prime Minister, the four regional premiers and their right – hand men, were considered most essential to arrest throughout the country. And among their military collaborators, only the top echelon and those holding strategic positions were named for arrest. These included the GOC of the Nigerian Army, General Ironsi, the commanders of the two brigades, Brigadiers Ademulegun and Maimalari, the Chief of Staff Army HQ, Colonel Kur Mohammed, and the Adjutant General of the Army, Lieutenant – Colonel Pam. Others were the Deputy Commander of the NDA, Colonel Shodeinde, the Quartermaster – General of the Army, Lieutenant – Colonel Unegbe and the Commander of the 4th Battalion which was based in Ibadan and was the most politicised unit of the Army, Lieutenant-Colonel Largema.
Contrary to the load of wicked propaganda that has since been heaped on us, there was no decision in our meeting to single out any particular ethnic group for elimination or destructionOur intentions were honourable , our views were national and our goals were idealistic. We intended that the coup should be national in execution so that it would receive national acclamation. We planned that the use of force should be minimal so that our methods could at once be seen as superior to those of the politicians, who simply went on killing the very people they were called upon to govern. The need to bring more of the middle level officers (Majors and Lieutenant – Colonels) was discussed. But the few names that could be mentioned had to be dropped because their interpersonal connections would compromise the security of the planning. After ninety minutes of discussion, the meeting was over. We dispersed as if from a prayer meeting since it was a Sunday and the Lord was in our midst……..“[/b]

Ademoyega

After one jambite with 10Mb and NL account will claim to know more than ademoyega

Diademk07:
For someone who scaled through both the modern and prehistoric era, yes, it's interchangeable for him. Kapish!

But, he's claiming that this was what Ironsi said, not himself.

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Ngozi123:
This word alone shows why your analogy is flawed. Not true. Awolowo masterminded the plan, with the help of Fajuiyi and some soldiers, including Ifeajuna. I don't actually believe that Nzeogwu was a mastermind behind it as he got involved quite late into the planning. It involved people from across Nigeria.

If you believe Awolowo masterminded it without any prove to show it, who am I to argue with you? Anything that rocks your boat. Like I said, let it slide.

Ngozi123:
It's good that you admit that the North has always been bloodthirsty. Why, then would you blame the Igbos for starting the civil war whilst still acknowledging this?

You say in one line that the North is bloodthirsty "and with little patience" yet in the very next line you say that "Igbo actions led to the civil war"? Surely, in the first line, you're admitting to the North's culpability in the build up to the Biafran war?

The fact is 1966 progrom led to the civil war.. As a matter of fact, 1966 progrom was more brutal nor as discreet as whatever progrom before it.

So yes, your folks actions prompted the civil war!

jargo89:
If you believe Awolowo masterminded it without any prove to show it, who am I to argue with you? Like I said, let it slide.

Read Max Siollun's "oil, politics and violence".

Diademk07:
Lmao. How would Zik have known that he wouldn't be killed? Or that the Yorubas who were fed lies by Nzeogwu and ifeajuna in the coup wouldn't run riot and out of their leader's step to kill him? He left the country to be on the safer side!

Let me laugh again at your Nzeowgu and Ifeajuna, ibo boys leading your acclaimed Awolowo's coup! You're so shameless!

Lol! So Zik was now the leader of the coup? That's a new angle.
This is getting interesting by the day.
So Okpara and Osadebey being part of the Igbo coup circle, didn't want their own safeties too, or is this safety business just for Zik alone?

Yes, let me also laugh at an Igbo coup whose plotters aim was to impose an ex convict self acclaimed Yoruba sage, who was jailed for corruption, as the president.

Ngozi123:
But, he's claiming that this was what Ironsi said, not himself.

Son because of "a word" slip which did nothing to negate the context, it doesn't make it Ironsi's statement? Lmao..

Manipulation at play again..

Diademk07:
The fact is 1966 progrom led to the civil war.. As a matter of fact, 1966 progrom was more brutal nor as discreet as whatever progrom before it.

So yes, your folks actions prompted the civil war!

Any student of history will know that there usually isn't just one cause that leads to any conflict, talk less of a civil war. This event could be described as the 'trigger' for the war but certainly not its most significant cause. A more important cause would be the years and years of anti-Igbo sentiments riddled throughout Nigeria but especially in the North.

Diademk07:
Son because of "a word" slip which did nothing to negate the context, it doesn't make it Ironsi's statement? Lmao..

Manipulation at play again..

It wasn't a slip, he didn't even try to correct himself here; it was a lie. A lie, might I add, that was repeated twice so that proves even more that it wasn't a slip of the tongue.

pazienza:
Lol! So Zik was now the leader of the coup? That's a new angle.
This is getting interesting by the day.
So Okpara and Osadebey being part of the Igbo coup circle, didn't want their own safeties too, or is this safety business just for Zik alone?

Yes, let me also laugh at an Igbo coup whose plotters aim was to impose an ex convict self acclaimed Yoruba sage, who was jailed for corruption, as the president.

Zik was informed about the coup as confirmed by his travel during the coup.

Secondly, Ibo men masterminded and spearheaded the coup, Ademoyega and other non-ibos were juniors in the coup. Another Fact!

A dunce will always be one.

Ngozi123:
It wasn't a slip, he didn't even try to correct himself here; it was a lie. A lie, might I add, that was repeated twice so that proves even more that it wasn't a slip of the tongue.

Why should he correct himself when the word doesn't negate the context of the statement? Abegi!

At key moments in the history of this country the relevant players have all at one time or the other put primordial considerations above principles they have made errors and misjudgement. We have all sinned against Nigeria but let us be bold and take responsibility for it and not fudge and dance and skip when we are in the spotlight. That same light will be directed to all and everyone should embrace his fault. The Hausa man, Fulani, and all the people in the North cannot and should not deny the pogroms against the Igbos in the North because the facts are glaring so it is in this case. Peace

Diademk07:
Zik was informed about the coup as confirmed by his travel during the coup.

Secondly, Ibo men masterminded and spearheaded the coup, Ademoyega and other non-ibos were juniors in the coup. Another Fact!

A dunce will always be one.

Ademoyega was actually used & kept on the periphery, by those coup plotters.

Diademk07:
Why should he correct himself when the word doesn't negate the context of the statement? Abegi!

Because it isn't actually what Ironsi said; even if you substitute the word 'state' for 'region' then it'd still make little sense. This has all been concocted from the mind of an aging man. Sometimes, old people get their stories mixed up and confuse themselves- that is all there is to this.

Nigeria's problem started after the biafra war, the war brought disunity and distrust between the northern and the southern part of the country. When there is no unity amongst the different tribes of Nigeria, we won't move forward economically neither combat corruption .

these jobless miscreant, who are obsessed with the euphoria of fantasy created by their overlord nnamdi cownu will always resist the truth like this one narrated by a respectable elderstateman.

while they are busy sitting at home and preparing not to vote others are preoccupied with positive thoughts and trying to undo what their power munger leaders had done to this country in the past.

if cownu was the one that said this, a biafran freak can take it to any shop in ariaria and buy something from another meniac.

all your war songs will disappear with you vampires.

you think fighting war in this generation is building caves called bunker and giving awka made chakakpu to some aguleri punks.

one NIGERIA for eva!!!