Valmesk:
Does it mean that it is not safe to go to church again?Where would one worship God in truth and in spirit?

go to deeper life u wont regret!

My brother who posted this, na beg I dey beg u, asked God forgiveness coz if the man is fake or real is left for God to judge not man, am not a member of christ embassy. You are talking about giving and u want God to do mighty things for u and u will not give, no make ur matter worst pass Evans own ooooo, why is that men of God matter dey worst pass every other crime even will use as an excuse to live church. Brethren in d forum even if ur pastor(s) is doing something wrong is ur duty to pray for him or her coz the spiritual governs d physical. If u are one on that position or seat by now only God knows what ur fate look. Thank you

Op. hope this helps you.
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WE'RE THE SEED OF JESUS CHRIST.

PASTOR CHRIS.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand (Isaiah 53:10).

The Holy Spirit, speaking through the Prophet Isaiah, prophesied the coming of the Messiah as an offering for sin, and also the fact that He shall see His “seed,” who shall prolong His days The seed of Jesus is the Church. Through the Church, the Lord Jesus prolongs His days. Jesus came into this world, lived in this world, conquered this world, died, was buried, resurrected, and ascended to heaven. But His life continues today through us. We’re the ones living out His life today. He lives on, through us.

Acts 1:1 talks about “…all that Jesus began both to do and teach,” which refers to His miraculous works and teachings about the Kingdom of God. As you read further into the book of Acts, you’ll find that the Lord continued to teach and to do the same things through the Apostles whom He had chosen. They, in turn, delivered the same teachings to others, and finally, it got to every one of us; and it’ll continue until Jesus comes again. We’re His ambassadors, teaching the same things He taught, and doing the same works He did.

Isaiah 53:8 says, “…he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.” The world thought they were through with Him; but then came you and I! Today, when you show up, a Jesus shows up. Always be mindful that Christ is living through you. Anyone who needs to know what Jesus looks like only needs to look at you! You’re the effulgence of His glory, the express image of His person, a partaker of His life, and a dispenser of His love, righteousness and grace. You’re His representative in the earth today.

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Dear Heavenly Father, I'm so thankful for the love and grace you’ve lavished upon me. Thank you for expressing yourself to the World through me. I’m the effulgence of Christ’s glory, the express image of His person, and my life is a manifestation of your praise and glory, Jesus' Name. Amen.

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Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

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Acts 16:16-40 Job 1-2
2 YEAR BIBLE READING PLAN:
Luke 6:20-30 Deuteronomy 31

Good morning.
God bless you.

Marchman:
3. Pastor Chris is the orthodoxy
In CE, Pst Chris is the standard; he is the orthodoxy of the word of God. He is in fact treated like God. His words are law. He could cancel engagements, delay marriages and, in my mother’s language, can do and undo!
Everything revolves around him. He has limitless powers and not inhibited by anything.

And what do they say about absolute power corrupts absolutely?

Exactly what you have in the church. No one dares challenge him. In a godly environment, there should have been some enquiry in to the crisis of his marriage with the objective to mend the issues. But no one dares even raise such issues. People like Joe Agbaje are prepared to lie for him. I recall a time when the issue of PST Chris living separately from his wife came up here, Joe Agbaje defended him, claiming that the couple see often and even go on romantic get-away. It was not true. To all intents and purpose, the man abandoned his wife and family in London while gallivanting around the world with his concubines. This was wrong, but who could challenge the KING? The man had also warned members never to discuss pastors and that they should run away where such matters are being discussed. What you have is a situation where people are so afraid to even consider the allegations against him, so as not to be consumed by fire! SMH!!!

With such a context, the man can get away with anything, including polygamy. He can rewrite the bible, claiming that some portions or verses were not clearly written. He can do ANYTHING, and the staunch members and the pastors would defend him. I mean ANYTHING.

They deify him, call him the ‘Jesus in white suit,’ ‘the Jesus of our time’ and such heresies.
Two personal experiences really got me worried.

A. I was in church one day when a leader in a talk show said, “Pst Chris is not only in Ikeja or Lagos. His spirit is even here right now’’. I was shocked by the comments and obvious deification of a mere mortal. But when the pastor came up, he did not rebuke the speaker or said anything about it. I left for home, thinking hard: What has happened to these people?
B. Th other one was during prayer. The person leading the prayer asked us to pray so that the message of PST Chris will take over the world. Message of Pst Chris? I asked myself. I thought we came there because of the gospel/message of Christ? Does Pst Chris have a different message? Of course, I didn’t participate in that prayer but I was shocked that no one saw anything wrong in this, which validated my growing belief that the church was veering out of the Christian lane into something else.

I will stop here for now. But if challenged by the minions of the church, I have more arsenals. Good day and God bless you.

Phew!!!!!

Can't believe I read all the pages.

Fourwinds:
oh...masturbation is not a sin rite.?

I didnt say masturbation is not a sin.
I said MASTURBATION ON ITS OWN is not a sin.
If u think otherwise, my brother prove it.
Let me give u a hint
KILLING ON ITS OWN is not a sin

vicfuntop:


Let me use this opportunity to evangelize. I am inviting you to my church Assemblies of God

I pray he start attending your church, let's see if that he will get salvation.
I know him way back. He is an irredeemable sinner. A green snake in a green grass. You can bet on my word. He will write worst things about your church here one day, if he stat attending.


***A case of a student blaming the teacher whenever he come last in class***

Valmesk:
Does it mean that it is not safe to go to church again?Where would one worship God in truth and in spirit?

Bros, this is social media. Don't let a faceless individual hiding under a moniker deceive you. Even if u meet people like him in church, dont let them deceive u. He could be an agent of darkness.

If u want to serve God, pray to Him to always direct your path.

zionmade:

I didnt say masturbation is not a sin.
I said MASTURBATION ON ITS OWN is not a sin.
If u think otherwise, my brother prove it.
Let me give u a hint
KILLING ON ITS OWN is not a sin

Thou shall not commit adultery...(Masturbation) ...objectification of individual(s) in their minds is a sin because such activity is done w:ith d imagine of someone...



2... Thou shall not kill....killing a human being or denying d person means of life can refer to as killing...

Be real to yourselve, you left because you are stingy! Stingyness is a curse you should have broken lose of if you had opened your mind. Stingyness is a spirit of poverty. Of course you can't give what you don't have.

Ask yourself, why are the bill gates, Warren buffets and the Dangotes the biggest givers, because somehow they found the secret to success. If you give, you receive! It's as simple as that.

I bet you never gave instead you went with the aim of receiving, don't beat yourself most of us did until we were taught the secret to receiving.

Any giving that is done without a purpose is misguided. Bill gates give to reduce HIV/Malaria, some others give to alleviate poverty. But the truth is, it's all in the mind. The truth is, being poor or rich or even sick is all in the mind.

So why do we give? We give to spread the gospel because we believe in the efficacy of the gospel to provide lasting solutions to this problems that has evaded science for ages.

The point is, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND YOUR MOUTH WHERE YOUR MONEY IS!!!

If you believe in a cause or a movement, propagate it. How do you do that? By giving whatever you can for it. You see, you've not been taught that therefore you act, talk and do ignorantly like posting this misguided piece to lead people to darkness.
And that's the problem with our society, we are getting lied to by those we call leaders, they don't teach principles cause they are so scared of losing members so they maintain the status quo.

You might say I've been brainwashed. Really! I like any kind of brainwashing that enlarges my capacity to get more cause you see, I give because I have. I'm not the one praying for God to give me anything cause I have everything!

Bros, its a pity.
don't stay at home cos u bliv there is no true church nowadays
Look 4 a church that teaches d truth n belong in order to b saved.
if u can't see one by urself den ask someone abt "THE CHURCH OF CHRIST" that is d Pilar n fountain of truth.
that is d church Christ Himself promised to build.
or contact me for more info. 07031179333

zionmade:

My brother wat us said is absolutely true. But d part of spiritual hunger haba, how manage, even if ur pastor doesnt feed u, do u listen to pastor Chris message at all. I mean does pst Chris only preach only giving too? i have more dan 300 pst Chris messagez wit me now and only 4 centered on giving. the rest are raw spiritual food.

I have been a member there for over 12yrs, i dont actually like everything going on there, but i focus on the word of God from there that has seen me grow so much spiritually. Its not bad dat u left, if u find a church dat would satisfy u spiritually remain there.

meanwhile am still waiting for the MASTURBATION IS A SIN crew. have they all suddenly gone dumb?

Thanks o broda.
My point was the expected spiritual nourishment from a resident pastor was zero. Now, listening to ps Chris is ok. It helps a lot. God has used him to shapen my doctrinal beliefs in many areas. But sir, he isn't all knowing, so I can't possibly grow round about by listening to him alone. Secondly, he isn't all seeing/present. What a local church in Abia is going thru per time may differ from what the branch in eket is going thru. So, to say because I listen to his tapes means am being nourished may not necessarily be true.
But I must add, of all the ones I have heard, he talked about money only thrice. I guess the ish is with his henchmen.

Another abberation was the law that came saying husband n wife ministers should be posted tto different branches. That was also very bad as I could see d strain in their eyes

Chi59:


WRONG!

The oldest book of the Bible, the book of Job was written thousands of years before the Church of Christ began on the day of Pentecost.

The Bible precedes the Church, the law before grace.

The Word of God has been written in heaven eons before the Church of God began.

"Forever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." -Psalms 119:89

The Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible. He, not some man-made leader is the only One capable of interpreting God's Word to the believer.

NB: 2 Timothy 3:16-17

Get your facts right.

The christian book comprises the old and new testament books. That collection is what is referred to as the bible. The old testament books were given before christian movement began, it formed the foundation of Christianity. It is in Christ everything in the old testament found its fulfilment. When you talk of new testaments books you talked of set of books written by a group of inspired men (disciples of Jesus) under the guidance of the holy spirit. Many of the book gave historical accounts of life of Jesus and his disciples. It is why you could see what some will consider discrepancies in different accounts of the same story by different authors in the bible. To say the bible is written in heaven is to give it the same interpretation the muslims gave their koran. It is believed koran dropped from heaven. Bible didn't drop from heaven, it is written by God using the hands of men. Christ was going and told the disciples "I will send you the holy spirit which we lead you to all truth." if the book was written from aeon, why lead the disciples to truth. Holy Spirit leads men to discover the heart and intention of God regarding their times. There were periods when the church didn't have the bible as we have it today. Each of the letters/epistles of the apostles were written to specific church in mind, they didn't even envisage it being part of a book as we had it today. Act od apostles gave an historical account of works of apostles, how can something that happened and recorded then be written in heaven? My dear stop reading too much from the muslims because you seem to share their belief of the koran on bible. Church compiked the books of the bible together and in doing so discarded some books not considered inspired. I mean they discarded some books, if you doubt google lost books of the bible. If they share your believe of books written in heaven, they will include all books as inspired but they used human intelligence inspired by God to select.

Marchman:
I have not posted in a while but if you have followed my previous posts, you would know that I used to attend Christ Embassy Church, even though I had reservations about some of their teachings. I finally left the church, phew!
I will use this thread to explain why I quit the church and why I may never attend another Pentecostal/Charismatic church which now appears to me like a sole proprietorship, with the General Overseer or lead pastor as the owner.

1. Excessive premium on Giving money

In Christ Embassy the number one thing they lay emphasis on is giving money. The church can use any tactic to get money from members, including manipulation, threats and the likes. While there is nothing wrong with giving money or time, I believe everything should be balanced and moderate. I think that was why St Paul said we should not give out of target, or threat but as we decide in our heart. In CE, there is nothing like moderation or balance when it comes to giving. They tend to believe literally that everything answers to money. You don’t have a job, give and sow seed. You are infertile, give and sow seed. Your father is sick, give and sow seed. Every message ends with a charge to give money. They collect tithes, offerings, partnerships (money), seeds (more money), first fruits (your whole income in January) and plethora of others.

You are also charged to give for Pastor Chris’s birthday and for all the other pastors. And for projects and the likes too.

Before I started worshipping with the Church, I read the story of the account clerk at the Sheraton Hotel who stole from his employers to give to the church. As a member, I could relate with the man. The Church is obsessed with money. They do not mind how or where you get it. If you want to rise or be noticed or win awards, just give big money. It is this obsession with money that led it to start collecting gate fees from members for its New Year Service at the LoveWorld Convocation Arena in Lagos, which ironically was built by the offerings of the members charged to get in. A lot of people I know personally had gone broke, had their businesses ruined, or fallen out with a loved one because of this teaching by the church.

In summary, at CE, money is everything- EVERYTHING.

This is not enough reason to leave the church !!!

Giving is part of the ministry of Jesus. " For God so love the world that he gave ..."

So, our first motive behind every giving isn't for God to bless you - otherwise, you would get it wrong.

Our motive is to expand the works of Christ in the face of the earth which in turn would bring God's prosperous blessings on you.

The church system have produced more peaceable and lovable people than any other religion.

Think about a world without the church. What would this world be if Jesus never came ?

We would have a world of oppression and chaos.

See list of some circumstances people face when they refuse to give or criticize givings in church.

1. They are always broke
2. They always loose their jobs and never have a financial stable life
3. They struggle for a particular thing endlessly
4. They go from grace to grass
5. They are always clouded with messages of evil reports from family and friends.
6. They find it hard to get help from people
7. They are short circuited from God's guidance and direction.
8. They make quick decisions that leads to destruction.

Take a deep breath and ponder over your decision.

Note : Pastor Chris Oyakhilome is my Pastor, life coach and mentor etc.

jaymejate:
THIS GUY is .... i'm sorry to say, is a fool.
you guys have totally forgotten that, the pastors are human being and not has perfect as Jesus u know.
they too always look for a way to get enlightened. so you too you are finding enlightenment that's why you're there.
teachings can never be perfect.
you are to take the ones that is useful to you and throw away the ones that are not.

the ministry of people is different. some is to teach holiness, some to teach on how to give, some is prosperity e.t.c.

and moreover, they didn't force you to give or did they point gun at you to give?
if they are not giving you what you want to hear, go to another place and stop making people feel like the church is diff.

MINISTRY OF EVERYONE IS DIFF.

you judging them, check Romans 2; 1-3

Ministry of prosperity??! hmm

Julivas:
Op, I thank God for your living conscience. Please don't let that one deter you from worshipping in a bibke based church. Find one and you will see.
Thanks and happy Sunday.

I keep hearing this stupid statement, 'bible believing church' or the sort, please is there a Koran believing church? Lots of you guys lack the basics of Christianity ab initio.

Innogee:



This is not enough reason to leave the church !!!

Giving is part of the ministry of Jesus. " For God so love the world that he gave ..."

So, our first motive behind every giving isn't for God to bless you - otherwise, you would get it wrong.

Our motive is to expand the works of Christ in the face of the earth which in turn would bring God's prosperous blessings on you.

The church system have produced more peaceable and lovable people than any other religion.

Think about a world without the church. What would this world be if Jesus never came ?

We would have a world of oppression and chaos.

See list of some circumstances people face when they refuse to give or criticize givings in church.

1. They are always broke
2. They always loose their jobs and never have a financial stable life
3. They struggle for a particular thing endlessly
4. They go from grace to grass
5. They are always clouded with messages of evil reports from family and friends.
6. They find it hard to get help from people
7. They are short circuited from God's guidance and direction.
8. They make quick decisions that leads to destruction.

Take a deep breath and ponder over your decision.

Note : Pastor Chris Oyakhilome is my Pastor, life coach and mentor etc.

So you mean to tell us, that those of you who doesn't see anything wrong with their pastors or give intermittently don't face your eight trials?

inemekam:
Bros, its a pity.
don't stay at home cos u bliv there is no true church nowadays
Look 4 a church that teaches d truth n belong in order to b saved.
if u can't see one by urself den ask someone abt "THE CHURCH OF CHRIST" that is d Pilar n fountain of truth.
that is d church Christ Himself promised to build.
or contact me for more info. 07031179333

Wow! Wow! Like he just realized he hasn't built that church since 2000+ years ago.

I kneel down and pray to my Father in Heaven and HE hears me and answers me so I dont need nobody to come and sweet talk me to anything, I once attended one of them Pentecostal churches and as the pastor was dramatizing and people were falling he kept on shouting all eyes closed, as he was coming near me to touch my head thinking i was closing my eyes i opened it and he just respected himself and continued with those who were falling upon his touch.

Marchman:
I have not posted in a while but if you have followed my previous posts, you would know that I used to attend Christ Embassy Church, even though I had reservations about some of their teachings. I finally left the church, phew!
I will use this thread to explain why I quit the church and why I may never attend another Pentecostal/Charismatic church which now appears to me like a sole proprietorship, with the General Overseer or lead pastor as the owner.

1. Excessive premium on Giving money

In Christ Embassy the number one thing they lay emphasis on is giving money. The church can use any tactic to get money from members, including manipulation, threats and the likes. While there is nothing wrong with giving money or time, I believe everything should be balanced and moderate. I think that was why St Paul said we should not give out of target, or threat but as we decide in our heart. In CE, there is nothing like moderation or balance when it comes to giving. They tend to believe literally that everything answers to money. You don’t have a job, give and sow seed. You are infertile, give and sow seed. Your father is sick, give and sow seed. Every message ends with a charge to give money. They collect tithes, offerings, partnerships (money), seeds (more money), first fruits (your whole income in January) and plethora of others.

You are also charged to give for Pastor Chris’s birthday and for all the other pastors. And for projects and the likes too.

Before I started worshipping with the Church, I read the story of the account clerk at the Sheraton Hotel who stole from his employers to give to the church. As a member, I could relate with the man. The Church is obsessed with money. They do not mind how or where you get it. If you want to rise or be noticed or win awards, just give big money. It is this obsession with money that led it to start collecting gate fees from members for its New Year Service at the LoveWorld Convocation Arena in Lagos, which ironically was built by the offerings of the members charged to get in. A lot of people I know personally had gone broke, had their businesses ruined, or fallen out with a loved one because of this teaching by the church.

In summary, at CE, money is everything- EVERYTHING.

It is a Nigerian thing....herd mentality. One person does something and everyone sheepishly follow suit.
Offering and tithe giving, no one wants to be the odd one out. They give to finance the pastors' lifestyles even when they can barely survive.
Someone made money in hotel business, everyone wants to own a hotel. A blogger bought a house? Every Jane and Joe becomes a blogger. Someone came out with growing beard, and bearded gang is born. Toyota venza is en vogue...thus it becomes a middle class symbol.

It is the culture. A culture that is bereft of progressive innovation and ideas followed by the masses that cherish sense of belonging even when they cannot fully or intelligently articulate what it is they are identifying with.

hysteriabox:

Thanks o broda.
My point was the expected spiritual nourishment from a resident pastor was zero. Now, listening to ps Chris is ok. It helps a lot. God has used him to shapen my doctrinal beliefs in many areas. But sir, he isn't all knowing, so I can't possibly grow round about by listening to him alone. Secondly, he isn't all seeing/present. What a local church in Abia is going thru per time may differ from what the branch in eket is going thru. So, to say because I listen to his tapes means am being nourished may not necessarily be true.
But I must add, of all the ones I have heard, he talked about money only thrice. I guess the ish is with his henchmen.

Another abberation was the law that came saying husband n wife ministers should be posted tto different branches. That was also very bad as I could see d strain in their eyes

Learn how to filter it will help u a lot. i went to salvation ministries for some time, my brother most of their prayers were centered on devil, witches, enemies die die, the same with winners chapel but its somehow lesser. But i was still blessed by the church because i focused my attention on the parts of their message like the power of praise and its been blessing my life.
As i said before listening to Pst Chris and most pastors under him elevates me so much. I have been under Pst Archie, Pst Felix, Pst Emeka, Pst Joy and so many more, I get the food i want and leave the waste.
most importantly is ur personal relationship with ur God. Soak urself into him more and more, and stick with any church that helps u do that

Fourwinds:
Thou shall not commit adultery...(Masturbation) ...objectification of individual(s) in their minds is a sin because such activity is done w:ith d imagine of someone...



2... Thou shall not kill....killing a human being or denying d person means of life can refer to as killing...

1. what if the person u re thinking is your wife and she is indisposed for sex at the moment? Wat if ur sperm is needed for medical reasons?
2. If someone points a gun at ur wife and kids and is about to shoot them and u have a knife stand at his back without his knowledge, wat will u do? Thou shall not kill was written in those tablets of stone placed in the ark of convenant, that same ark was sometimes carried into war to totally annihilate some nations why,?

I have read without much surorise, how many gullible and unsaved brain washed members have tried in vain to defend the indefensible.
1.. No matter how you fool a people, you cannot fool all the people all the time.
2.. God gave you brain and not indomie, please endeavour to use it.
3.. Before narrowing it down to finance, try to comprehend that most of the victims, I say victims because its fraud are people doing OK in life.
4.. The bible foretold about organisations like CE come the last days.
5.. That a miracle takes place in church does not mean God has rubber stamped it. Firstly even the devil performs miracle, secondly, the blessings of the lord are without repentance, God will always honour his children's call for his name sake.
6.. There is a parable of a man that sowed good seed, while men slept, the enemy sowed tars within it. His servants discovers the error and suggested to have the tars uprooted out, but the master said no, hence you in the process unintentionally destroy good plants too. Allow them all to grow at good pace, when its harvest time, we shall do the separation gather the tars and burn them up.
MORAL...
That God allows the churches as Christ embassy to continue to flourish inspire of all the visible and verifiable flaws and error does not mean God is there or endorses their modus operandi. If they like let more multitude flock in, God still has his good children among the multitude.

Lastly, I make bold to say, every issues raised so far about that social gathering is genuine and true, I can relate, yes I was a haven member, so I ain't broke.

He never left because he was stingy, he left because his morning has come, you are still in your night.

AromePeter:
Be real to yourselve, you left because you are stingy! Stingyness is a curse you should have broken lose of if you had opened your mind. Stingyness is a spirit of poverty. Of course you can't give what you don't have.

Ask yourself, why are the bill gates, Warren buffets and the Dangotes the biggest givers, because somehow they found the secret to success. If you give, you receive! It's as simple as that.

I bet you never gave instead you went with the aim of receiving, don't beat yourself most of us did until we were taught the secret to receiving.

Any giving that is done without a purpose is misguided. Bill gates give to reduce HIV/Malaria, some others give to alleviate poverty. But the truth is, it's all in the mind. The truth is, being poor or rich or even sick is all in the mind.

So why do we give? We give to spread the gospel because we believe in the efficacy of the gospel to provide lasting solutions to this problems that has evaded science for ages.

The point is, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS AND YOUR MOUTH WHERE YOUR MONEY IS!!!

If you believe in a cause or a movement, propagate it. How do you do that? By giving whatever you can for it. You see, you've not been taught that therefore you act, talk and do ignorantly like posting this misguided piece to lead people to darkness.
And that's the problem with our society, we are getting lied to by those we call leaders, they don't teach principles cause they are so scared of losing members so they maintain the status quo.

You might say I've been brainwashed. Really! I like any kind of brainwashing that enlarges my capacity to get more cause you see, I give because I have. I'm not the one praying for God to give me anything cause I have everything!

Unfortunately this is the part of the bible they have used severally to threaten their sheep's to follow them sheepishly, the bible is a balanced account and it said you should search all truths, it never said you should swallow whatever is thrown at you hook, line and sinker, that was why he gave you wisdom, brains and the holy spirit to also guide you to the truth. Again the bible is a prophetic book hence it speaks whatsoever language you want it to speak, these gods of men have capitalised on this and the gullibility of Africans to diefy themselves and shield themselves from being questioned when they clearly over indulge.

njimezz:
My brother who posted this, na beg I dey beg u, asked God forgiveness coz if the man is fake or real is left for God to judge not man, am not a member of christ embassy. You are talking about giving and u want God to do mighty things for u and u will not give, no make ur matter worst pass Evans own ooooo, why is that men of God matter dey worst pass every other crime even will use as an excuse to live church. Brethren in d forum even if ur pastor(s) is doing something wrong is ur duty to pray for him or her coz the spiritual governs d physical. If u are one on that position or seat by now only God knows what ur fate look. Thank you

zionmade:

POINTS OF CORRECTION
Nobody prays to Pst Chris or asks him to pray for them unlike my catholic brethren. Nobody prays in Pst Chris name,nobody sings and add the God of Pst Chris unlike my LFC, Chosen and salvation minstries brethren. So how exactly do we worship Pst Chris?

2. Pst Anita will only be counted a sinner if she remairries the same with Pst Chris, as long as i know in the bible, divorce is not a sin. I dont blame anyone but misunderstanding for their divorce.
3. we dont like the association with people who so much stabbed our church because they call us sinners. They were d same people who supported the removal of Atmospheres for miracles on television, the same people who criticize everything we do, the same people who complained wen Pst Chris ministered with TB Joshua

4.Rhapsody of realities has a two year and one year bible reading plan, the church spend a lot to distribute bibles to hotels, schools etc. In fact CE members can take u from any angle from the bible
I will stop here

Stick with the points i raised in my post....the Lord says "I hate divorce" so much for not wanting to be connected with PFN and co. nobody misses that pleasessssssss....I tell you, most of your members worship your pastor, if you don't believe me that's because you're one of them and you are trained to defend you cult.

Bros, you haven't seen anything na. The pastor at your location didn't call you aside to set a monthly target for you
Chairman, when the pastor wey head where me and my padi dey attend do that one that year, I just weak.
That was my last Sunday in church.
The earlier people can realise that pastors are just brilliant salesmen who know the market demand & have positioned themselves well, the better.

Marchman:


In summary, at CE, money is everything- EVERYTHING.

free2ryhme:


Before I answer your questions you must tell seun to remove the forceful conscription message that only allows Muslims to comment in your section.

This is a Christian related issue and we didnot put a wedge on your neck stopping you from commenting.

Don't mind these idiots. And one stupid Arab something moniker defends them saying no Muslim on nairaland ever comments on a Christian related topic hence the need for the stupid declaration you've to make when commenting on their threads. Sick bloody mofos

Destined2win:
Phew!!!!!

Can't believe I read all the pages.

Me too, This is the first long thread that I took time to read all its pages.. .

it's been an eye opening encounter... .

njimezz:
My brother who posted this, na beg I dey beg u, asked God forgiveness coz if the man is fake or real is left for God to judge not man, am not a member of christ embassy. You are talking about giving and u want God to do mighty things for u and u will not give, no make ur matter worst pass Evans own ooooo, why is that men of God matter dey worst pass every other crime even will use as an excuse to live church. Brethren in d forum even if ur pastor(s) is doing something wrong is ur duty to pray for him or her coz the spiritual governs d physical. If u are one on that position or seat by now only God knows what ur fate look. Thank you

If only pastors preach about salvation the way they preach about sowing seeds, things would have been different. That's the koko.

fpeter:


Stick with the points i raised in my post....the Lord says "I hate divorce" so much for not wanting to be connected with PFN and co. nobody misses that pleasessssssss....I tell you, most of your members worship your pastor, if you don't believe me that's because you're one of them and you are trained to defend you cult.

counter the points i made.
Is it PFN that supported obasanjo to ban our program on tv.
We are not also pentecostal because we believe dat the Holyspirit has nothing to do with the feast of pentecost.
The only thing that the abhors is remarrying after divorce and the last time i checked none of the parties rlhad remarried
Yes God hates divorce the same way he hates death doesnt mean they wont happen

zionmade:

1. what if the person u re thinking is your wife and she is indisposed for sex at the moment? Wat if ur sperm is needed for medical reasons?
2. If someone points a gun at ur wife and kids and is about to shoot them and u have a knife stand at his back without his knowledge, wat will u do? Thou shall not kill was written in those tablets of stone placed in the ark of convenant, that same ark was sometimes carried into war to totally annihilate some nations why,?

1. Does this means if the person you're thinking of is not your wife, it's a sin?

2. What would Jesus do?

When we say Judas sold Jesus, we say not me i can not do such a thing. here you just sold Jesus to get publicity which means you will go the way of Judas brother. remember what Jesus said to Saul of Tarsus" Saul Saul why persecuted thus me it is hard to kick against the brick. " people never learnt from history. History always repeat itself. when your children unborn are reaping from these seeds you are sowing , nobody will know where they got from. Anything you do against the church of Jesus Christ you are doing it to Him and He will hold you accountable for it. Have not you heard the i will build my Church and the gate of Hell shall not prevail against it. Because of you so call testimony many people's faith will shrink brother! You will pay for it. The bible says Offence will come but woe unto that man by which they come. God is watching you.