₦airaland Forum

Afam4eva:
I actually watched the Ogoni man in that interesting political discussion. He was visible angry at everything, not just Nnamdi Kanu. Note that at the beginning of the show he said that "We are all Biafrans" which he used to highlight the fact that every part of Nigeria is feeling some sort of neglect. I can understand why he would be angry anyway because if you look at the interview with Nnamdi Kanu that he was reacting to, Nnamdi Kanu came across as arrogant and was just marking territories according to the man. Nnamdi Kanu was asked which part of Nigeria covers Biafran territory and he mentioned all the SE and SS states except Edo state. So, this guy was feeling like, we were not consulted. You don't go around marking territories without insulting the sensibilities of the indegenes in those terrains.

I've noticed that Niger Deltans don't necessarily have a problem with Biafra per se. Their problem is the fact that they're not been carried along properly. For instance, if Nnamdi Kanu can court some freedom fighters in those areas to join his movement. For instance, if people like Asari Dokubo and co join the movement actively and not by proxy, only then will these groups in those areas with be able to resonate with the Biafran struggle through their own leaders. Nnamdi Kanu having foot soldiers who have no followership in those areas is a recipe for disaster.

I don't like the idea of another multi-ethnic federation. However, when clowns want to denigrate my ethnicity using flawed arguments, I have to make some corrections.

When you guys claim that Ogoni or Ibibio, Ijaw or whatever ethnic group were not consulted, it sounds daft to me because I don't remember when the Igbo tribes ( like Aro, Orotta, Isu, Abaja, Ngwa or any other were consulted. Did IPOB even consult members of Kanu's village? This is just a misleading attempt to degenerate Igbos by Igbophobic imbeciles.

One should not be surprised because some of these m0rons are even claiming that Ojukwu imposed Biafra on them against all historic evidence that shows that members of the Easter Consultative Assembly with representatives from all over the old Eastern region advised him to declare Biafra ( a name that was even suggested a non-Igbo). There was no record of dissent along ethnic lines. It was only when the going became rough that some people started recanting.

The fact is that IPOB along with other allied organizations like the Lower Niger Congress have members drawn from various other ethnic groups ( not just the big bad Igbos). They were not elected by anyone. The Igbo members were not elected by us to speak on our behalf and neither were members from other ethnic group. They are only agitating for a referendum to enable members of their various ethnic groups to make a simple choice (along ethnic lines) through a referendum. How is that forcing Igbo views on you? Have you heard of any elected individual in Igboland talking about Biafra?

The thing is fvcking simple. If you like your current condition, vote "Yes", if you don't like, vote "No". Where is the freaking "force"? What better means of consultation can there be than a referendum that enables everyone to express their choice?

Additionally, the template now championed by IPOB is for a confederation of independent ethnic nations. This template wasn't created by NK but was proposed by the LNC which if my memory serves me right was founded by an Itshekiri.

Like I always say, ignorance can be cured but stupidity is a terminal condition.

Like Fela sang,

"The condition you dey, I don't know
But my condition done reach make I act"

PointB:
EVen if so, you can't do it by yourself.

Best strategy is to band with the popular movement to get out. Then you can leave afterward. This is a no-brainer!

Thats why Igbos are looking for support with the Niger deltans, but they are going about it the wrong way, in the advent of Nigeria splitting the Niger delta wont remain with Nigeria or even Biafra it will be on its own

nengibo:
Thats why Igbos are looking for support with the Niger deltans, but they are going about it the wrong way, in the advent of Nigeria splitting the Niger delta wont remain with Nigeria or even Biafra it will be on its own

Igbo are also Niger Deltans, but that's beside the point.

Which way is the right way? Is the call for referendum not sufficient? You want them to come and talk to you personally?

The funny thing is that most of them are still ignorant about their plight, little wonder Kanu said "The first step towards achieving freedom is firstly acknowledging and realizing the fact that you are in slavery"

It's good a thing some have started waking up from their slumber, while others are still going around singing praises for corrupt officials and chanting "they want our oil" bull crap which is most annoying for people you see as brothers.

nengibo:
The same way biafra died with ojukwu what you have now is a joke,

Well you can see huge crowds still out there clamoring for it and a sucessful sit at order that shut the entire SE down as well as some parts of the SS.

Ojukwu maybe dead, but the dream did not die with him.

Not like Niger Delta Republic which you guys cant even hold one street protest for.

attackgat:
Well you can see huge crowds still out there clamoring for it and a sucessful sit at order that shut the entire SE down as well as some parts of the SS.

Ojukwu maybe dead, but the dream did not die with him.

Not like Niger Delta Republic which you guys cant even hold one street protest for.

Like i said there are many ways to kill a rat, what have your protest brought to Igbos if I may ask

PointB:
Igbo are also Niger Deltans, but that's beside the point.

Which way is the right way? Is the call for referendum not sufficient? You want them to come and talk to you personally?

Niger deltans are not a conquered people, you can't call for referendum for me to be included in your country

dudebuck:
Because when the people of the east were being killed in the north,they did not differentiate who is Efik and Igbo, Anang etc, all were slaughtered. Then the Eastern (WHICH YOUR FATHERS WERE PART OF) assembly mandated Ojukwu to declare Biafra. THE ONLY HISTORY YOU KNOW IS IT NOT. NIGERIA HAD HER INDEPENDENCE IN 1960?

When the people were being killed in the north, everyone was involved including yorubas. So stop insinuating what is not.
Isaac boro fought for the niger deltans and ojukwu fought for the igbos. Simple. No need to re-write history.

attackgat:
Well you can see huge crowds still out there clamoring for it and a sucessful sit at order that shut the entire SE down as well as some parts of the SS.

Ojukwu maybe dead, but the dream did not die with him.

Not like Niger Delta Republic which you guys cant even hold one street protest for.

true,protest isn't just about what you get but creating awareness

HopeAtHand:
Ojukwu wasn't fighting in the interest of Niger Delta. Ojukwu was only interested in completely owning the oil resources. Make no mistakes, Igbos still remain the most self-centered ethnic group in Nigeria.

Bayelsa Oil belongs to Jigawa - Hon Aliyu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6GGPu286U

plaetton:
Yeah, the Igbos remain the most self-centered people in Nigeria.

Just look at how many military coups that they have done in Nigeria to seize and monopolize political power.
Just look at their born-to-rule syndrome.
Just look at how many times they have annulled peaceful Democratic elections.
Just look at how many inter tribal killings and genocides they have committed in Nigeria.
Just look at them, they don't even venture out of their regions to work or invest.
Look how many times they prefer to Kling to power and die in political office rather than resign for ill health.
Look at them,. they neither educate nor train their teaming young populations for survival in a competitive world.
When they are rich, they neither take care of their siblings nor relatives.
They have no community spirit. They neither build schools, health care centers nor vocational centers for their communities.
They just depend on government and government largesse.

Yes, Igbos are the most self-centered people in Nigeria.

The Igbos also own majority of the oil wells in the Niger-Delta.

TheKingIsHere:
When the people were being killed in the north, everyone was involved including yorubas. So stop insinuating what is not.
Isaac boro fought for the niger deltans and ojukwu fought for the igbos. Simple. No need to re-write history.

Yes Of course according to the fvcking history revisionists. No Not only Afonjas even fulanis, gambaris and housa people were killed. Now you have revealed your true identity, you are a fvcking afonja.

nengibo:
The real question should be why are Igbos afraid of Niger Delta Republic, if truly they really want to help the Niger Delta, they should support a Niger delta free from the 3 major tribes, igbo, hausa and yoruba are all d same

You are the only person making sense here.

PreyingMantis:
The Igbos also own majority of the oil wells in the Niger-Delta.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that.

We are not smart enough to figure that the reason Jonathan and his petroleum minister , Deziani, were so hated , vilified and had to be removed by the clever use of vicious propaganda was mainly because they awarded Zero new oil blocks to the born to rule Mafia. And also, I heard that most oil block leases were due for renewal in next few years from 2015. It was feared that the duo of GEJ and Deziani were definitely not inclined to renew any oil leases to the Mafia.
Therefore, we can see that the unprecedented vicious campaign of calumny against GEJ, his wife and Deziani are deeply rooted in greed for Niger Delta oil blocks that some people feel to be their inheritance, their booty of conquest.

freshest4live:
True federalism is the way out l think. There's this very cold chill l feel whenever l hear the word secession, l just dunno why. Maybe l wrongly believe it can't happen peacefully, but then of course l may be wrong on that.
Let's see how the Catalans in Spain go about their referendum, they've been fighting for it now for 300 years despite the fact that they are a major ethnic group in Spain, peaceful secession is never easy, even Kanu himself said it has never happened.
I still believe we can fight to change the structure in the line of true federalism rather than outright secession.
You are right, there's Nepotism and the North dominate the oil wells, but we have also not been very blessed with visionary and patriotic leaders as found in Lasgidi, except for the likes of Amaechi and Donald Duke.

There is nothing to fear about secession unless you are not ready to put in the work required to build your own independent nation. The only solution to Nigeria's current problems is secession.

Successive governments have shown that the country is too big and diverse for anyone to handle successfully. Almost every region feels left out when a kinsman isn't heading the country which leads to conscious/subconscious sabotage of haphazard efforts to restore order and efficiency.

English being a national language is another problem we have. I may be wrong but, I strongly believe that balkanising this country is our best bet if our children are to inherit any meaningful legacy.

TheKingIsHere:
When Isaac boro was fighting for nigerdelta republic in 1966 long before biafra why didn't ojukwu come to help him?

Very good question.

Curlieweed:
I don't like the idea of another multi-ethnic federation. However, when clowns want to denigrate my ethnicity using flawed arguments, I have to make some corrections.

When you guys claim that Ogoni or Ibibio, Ijaw or whatever ethnic group were not consulted, it sounds daft to me because I don't remember when the Igbo tribes ( like Aro, Orotta, Isu, Abaja, Ngwa or any other were consulted. Did IPOB even consult members of Kanu's village? This is just a misleading attempt to degenerate Igbos by Igbophobic imbeciles.

One should not be surprised because some of these m0rons are even claiming that Ojukwu imposed Biafra on them against all historic evidence that shows that members of the Easter Consultative Assembly with representatives from all over the old Eastern region advised him to declare Biafra ( a name that was even suggested a non-Igbo). There was no record of dissent along ethnic lines. It was only when the going became rough that some people started recanting.

The fact is that IPOB along with other allied organizations like the Lower Niger Congress have members drawn from various other ethnic groups ( not just the big bad Igbos). They were not elected by anyone. The Igbo members were not elected by us to speak on our behalf and neither were members from other ethnic group. They are only agitating for a referendum to enable members of their various ethnic groups to make a simple choice (along ethnic lines) through a referendum. How is that forcing Igbo views on you? Have you heard of any elected individual in Igboland talking about Biafra?

The thing is fvcking simple. If you like your current condition, vote "Yes", if you don't like, vote "No". Where is the freaking "force"? What better means of consultation can there be than a referendum that enables everyone to express their choice?

Additionally, the template now championed by IPOB is for a confederation of independent ethnic nations. This template wasn't created by NK but was proposed by the LNC which if my memory serves me right was founded by an Itshekiri.

Like I always say, ignorance can be cured but stupidity is a terminal condition.

Like Fela sang,

"The condition you dey, I don't know
But my condition done reach make I act"

Epic!

PointB:
If the opportunity as presented by IPOB is missed, it will take another 50 years for any group in this enclave (Nigeria) to get this close. By then, there will be little or nothing to fight for, perhaps only survival!

on point if they miss this chance they will not see it again,I can say people in kanus caliber maybe Michael Jackson they come once in 200 yrs maybe more

freshest4live:
Can you compare the works of Romiti Amaechi in Portharcourt to that of Odilli in his tenure?
What about Donald Duke who single handedly made his state what it was? The Lagos of 2006 is also not the Lagos of 2017. Our people in the south south as well as the igbos blame everyone but themselves.
Now if you insist and want Biafra at all cost, then note that In a true democratic process, protest alone and civil unrest would amount to nothing substantial for the formation of a new nation. Your leaders would have to back it up.
Your Senate/House of Reps, Ohanezes and Governors, this is the best shot at making Nigeria succumb to the demand for Referendum. Kanu should indirectly and secretely push some of his people to run for leadership positions in the zoo, as a long term plan, a backup plan.

I say go to hell with crap of Romiti Amaechi in Portharcourt to that of Odilli. Lagos was built by Nigerian government when Amaechi and Odilli were in kindergarten. Nigeria is a case study which every reasonable Nigerian should endeavor to study. You cannot teach me the history of Lagos or Abuja with convoluted crap about Donald Duke, Amaechi, Odilli, Senate/House of Reps, Ohanezes and Governors. These silly entities mean absolutely nothing to me as do those from western, midwestern and northern regions. I guess OPC or any foolish Oodua outfit was behind the emergency of Lagos as a city.

HopeAtHand:
Ojukwu wasn't fighting in the interest of Niger Delta. Ojukwu was only interested in completely owning the oil resources. Make no mistakes, Igbos still remain the most self-centered ethnic group in Nigeria.

Are you okay? I wonder what stopped Ojukwu from fighting for the crude oil, I guess that is what you meant by oil resources, when it was struck in 1956. I looked around the so-called Niger Delta, there is no single city half the immense importance or size of Lagos or Abuja. I am happy that the silly crude oil resources are wasted in Yari.ba and Hausawa lands. A fool cannot see a reason even when stood on the ridge of his nose.

dudebuck:
Yes Of course according to the fvcking history revisionists. No Not only Afonjas even fulanis, gambaris and housa people were killed. Now you have revealed your true identity, you are a fvcking afonja.

You are just confused. And since you say I am Afonja, then you are fvcking aboki.

Timbuktuo:
Very good question.

good question indeed which only folks with human and working brains can answer..so do urself a favor and allow such folks to comment/post answers.....i know u were born b4 then,buh u can simply read comments though and not attempt to churn out some regular crap that wud get all cats laffing over again

op,your attempt to set us niger deltans and our ipob brethren/comrades apart is DOA. We gat eachother's back.

Justiceleague1:
good question indeed which only folks with human and working brains can answer..so do urself a favor and allow such folks to comment/post answers.....i know u were born b4 then,buh u can simply read comments though and not attempt to churn out some regular crap that wud get all cats laffing over again

op,your attempt to set us niger deltans and our ipob brethren/comrades apart is DOA. We gat eachother's back.

u didn't read the op at all ,u just opened ur mouth to spill ....

Justiceleague1:
good question indeed which only folks with human and working brains can answer..so do urself a favor and allow such folks to comment/post answers.....i know u were born b4 then,buh u can simply read comments though and not attempt to churn out some regular crap that wud get all cats laffing over again

op,your attempt to set us niger deltans and our ipob brethren/comrades apart is DOA. We gat eachother's back.

Hey, little keyboard gangster, go look for your ilk to trade meaningless words with. When you've got something of substance to throw at me, let me know. Ok? Good boy. Now, run along and go paky in the sand.

nengibo:
Thats why Igbos are looking for support with the Niger deltans, but they are going about it the wrong way, in the advent of Nigeria splitting the Niger delta wont remain with Nigeria or even Biafra it will be on its own

you people are real jokers, if igbos leave you will remain in Nigeria and recite the Koran. you are salivating over having your own country without fighting for it? You have the opportunity now to get a fair deal in Biafra where you can make input in the constitution unlike what the northern army wrote and forced on you

nengibo:
Niger deltans are not a conquered people, you can't call for referendum for me to be included in your country

But you were included in Nigeria without any option of a referendum. some of you are just dumb trying hard to feel important

Ogbuefi2020:
you people are real jokers, if igbos leave you will remain in Nigeria and recite the Koran. you are salivating over having your own country without fighting for it? You have the opportunity now to get a fair deal in Biafra where you can make input in the constitution unlike what the northern army wrote and forced on you

This is the aspect that pisses me off.

Why would you want Ndiigbo to share a country with Igbophobic entities, after our bitter Nigerian experience?

Timbuktuo:
Very good question.

How is it good question? did he include igboland among the place he was fighting for?? and did he seek help or collaboration from igbos/? That was actually a stvpid question. what makes niger deltans think there is something special about them?? they should be actually thanking igbos for not leaving them behind

Ogbuefi2020:
How is it good question? did he include igboland among the place he was fighting for?? and did he seek help or collaboration from igbos/? That was actually a stvpid question. what makes niger deltans think there is something special about them?? they should be actually thanking igbos for not leaving them behind

Are we supposed to believe that igbos including SS in their secession is a romantic rather than utilitarian move? Dude, please another yarn. Everyone knows why Ojukwu included them then and why Kanu has drawn his map including them now.

Boro didn't include Igbos in his map because he didn't need you guys then as they do not need you now.

TheKingIsHere:
When Isaac boro was fighting for nigerdelta republic in 1966 long before biafra why didn't ojukwu come to help him?

Was Ojukwus place included in where Adaka Boro was fight for? what is Ojukwu's business with a republic that he was not deem fit to belong by the person fighting for it?

Timbuktuo:
Are we supposed to believe that igbos including SS in their secession is a romantic rather than utilitarian move? Dude, please another yarn. Everyone knows why Ojukwu included them then and why Kanu has drawn his map including them now.

Boro didn't include Igbos in his map because he didn't need you guys then as they do not need you now.

so why is the question on why ojukwu did not help him a good question? secondly, Ojukwu included you because he was governing an area that included you. And if minorities want to remain in Nigeria, they should desist from lumping igboland using SS.

Ogbuefi2020:
so why is the question on why ojukwu did not help him a good question? secondly, Ojukwu included you because he was governing an area that included you. And if minorities want to remain in Nigeria, they should desist from lumping igboland using SS.

First of, I'm yoruba.

Secondly, it's a good question because it exposes intentions and purpose. Why did Ojukwu forcefully include non-igbo speaking communities in his secessionist quest? Why not respect the wishes of the oil-producing communities when they registered their reluctance to go with him?

Thirdly, keep your attempts at reverse psychology in the cooler. Convene with minorities if you want them on your side. Going about drawing maps without consultation with concerned territory owners will produce nothing but disdain and resistance.