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Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by paulGrundy(m): 9:07pm On Jul 08, 2017 |
jnrbayano: 1. There was nothing like apostolic succesion in the writings of the church fathers before St Augustine of Hippo. 2. When paul talked about apostolic succesion to Timothy and Titus, he talked about passing on doctrine to the next generation, not apostolic office, then the main works of ministry were teaching and preaching. But in the writings of Clement of Rome, ministerial activity is liturgical: the undifferentiated 'presbyter-bishops' are to "make offerings to the Lord at the right time and in the right places" something which is simply not defined by the evangelists. 3. there is a "strong and ancient tradition" that the presence of an ordained man is necessary for the celebration of the Eucharist (a basic argument for apostolic succession). But there is "certainly no evidence for this view in the New Testament" and in the case of Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch the implication is not that it cannot be celebrated by anyone else, but that it ought not. Harvey says in the third century this "concern for propriety" begins to be displaced by the concept of 'power' to do so which means that in the absence of such a man it is "literally impossible" for a Eucharist to be celebrated. |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Maestro21: 11:17am On Jul 09, 2017 |
jnrbayano: Like 2 Thes 2, Rev 13 and Matt 24 the timeline of events was clearly delineated. All 3 were referring to a great tribulation after the rapture has occurred. 2 Thes 2 in fact tells us why satan's power would be in full force then enough to do the mighty signs, wonders and deeds- the church of God, who are presently responsible for limiting His power would be taken away from the way. Paul says so in verse 7. Concerning Moses and Aaron, I do believe there were also magicians in Jesus' day as well in Peter and Paul's. I don't see how the presence of sorcerers who don't cast out demons or heal the sick is used as evidence that Satan performs miracles. And if your argument still subsists then you must point me out to whom you consider genuine men of God whose demonstration of power via signs, wonders, mighty deeds and miracles eclipses or at least is on par with Pastor Chris. If you cannot do so, then your argument will be that Satan is more powerful than God. Now concerning masturbation, if a man masturbates to his wife while having sex or if he is to do a penile test to (check his fertility) that includes him submitting semen for test is he sinning while providing it? You and the OP in your entirety don't count because there will always be people like you and the OP. Jesus had people like you and the OP who specialize in testing spirits by their own criteria and not God's. Nothing new Charlie. |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by jnrbayano(m): 12:37pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Maestro21: I really tried to help your shut eyes but being shut is like paradise to you. In all the references I put out show that the devil can perform mighty acts, signs and lying wonders to deceive/intrigue (as with Moses and Aaron in the old testament, Jesus affimation in the new testament and John's revelation about the future events) Since you are hell bent on justifying a charlatan, by every means continue. Jesus, John and Paul recognised Satan's signs and wonders and using your logic, they believed Satan's power is superior to God's. You people will say anything to support your God of man....lol Keep masturbating. Keep finding a reason for it. I'm sure before Chris talked about Masturbation on National TV, you knew it was a sin. Now, you have the license from Almighty Chris. John the baptist appeared to usher in Jesus the master. He brought a teaching centred on repentance which is focusing on God and eschewing sin. ...Chris was sent by his master to ready people to meet him by watering down completely repentance, (contrary to John the baptist's teaching) enslaving man, woman and child by fleecing them, (contrary to Jesus's teachings of setting captives free and feeding the hungry) and teaching blatantly on National TV that masturbation, an immoral act is not a sin. Testing the spirit of Chris is the easiest thing a Christian can/would ever do. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Nobody: 1:37pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
musicwriter: Eeyah You are trying so hard to disprove the beloved apostle. Kpele Sorry o Paul was not a Greek. He was a Jew and also a Roman. Never a Greek. 2 Likes |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Ericsdm55(m): 2:26pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
bigtt76:Whenever I read post like this I shed tears. Bitter, but true. Lord open our eyes that we may not go astray in this end time churches |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by musicwriter(m): 2:44pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Chi59: A Jew and a Roman at the same time? For your information, Rome was an occupying power oppressing the Jews at that time!!. You can't be a Roman (invader) and be a Jew (the colonized) at the same time. Its like saying you were British and Nigerian in the 15th century. According to your bible, in Acts 21:37-39, Paul was arrested by the army for his past terrorist activities, and ''As they were about to take Paul into the barracks, he asked the commander, “May I say something to you?” “Do you speak Greek?” he replied. “Aren’t you the Egyptian who incited a rebellion some time ago and led four thousand members of the ‘Assassins’’” into the wilderness? But Paul answered, “I am a Jew from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no ordinary city. Now I beg you to allow me to speak to the people''. Note that he denied his nationality claiming he was a Jew!!. But, guess what? The army knew he was lying and they locked him up, because there was no way he would've been persecuting fellow Jews!!. Get it? |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Ericsdm55(m): 2:52pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
akagaba:Read the op post carefully and you will notice that he wasn't complaining about money. He made some notable observations which are not just found in CE but in few other churches of this end time. True Christians don't laugh out on others because they are poor when they made known their observations or what bothers them. Maybe he's wrong on some other points mentioned, I wouldn't know, but this is what is happening in most churches today. 3 Likes |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Nobody: 2:54pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
musicwriter: Saul was his Jewish name, Paul, his Roman name. His father acquired Roman citizenship. He affirmed his Roman citizenship, after being mistreated in Acts 16:37. But just before then, he and his partner in evangelism were called Jews (Acts 16:20) Paul had dual citizenship, sir! As for him speaking Greek (Acts 21:37), Greek was a major language spoken in many of the then Asia minor. It was needful that he knew how to speak the language in order to reach the people living in those parts. And yes, he did persecute Christians (a.k.a people of The Way), not Jews (the Jews who practised Judaism) as evident in Acts 8:1-3, 9:4-5, 26:9-11 etc.. 3 Likes |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by musicwriter(m): 3:03pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Chi59: Jeudaism is not a nationality!!. It's a religion!!. Anybody can claim to be a Jew at the appropriate time to save their lives, if they find it pertinent. Here in Nigeria Nnamdi Kanu is a Jew. Is Nnamdi Kanu an Israeli citizen? The notion of his father acquiring Roman citizenship for him is pure trash, and that shows you don't know what you're talking about. You can't be from Rome or even want to associate with the Roman empire, if you're were in Judea, Jerusalem and environ at that time in history. Rome was a colonial power occupying Jewish lands, oppressing the people and collecting taxes, just as Britain did here in Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Nobody: 3:07pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
musicwriter: You are so bent on disproving what I've written that you can't see the truth in your front. If you read in between my lines, I wrote that he persecuted the Christians, not the Jews. And what is the main religion of the Jews? Judaism!! No need wasting my time trying to enlighten you. You are entitled to your opinions. And if ever you are interested, google is your friend. 3 Likes |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Maestro21: 3:12pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
jnrbayano: You cannot force logic. You simply get it or you don't. Satan cannot perform all those things until after the rapture and within great tribulation (which is part of why it will be a great tribulation). If that were not the case then Paul and Stephen could also be the false prophets and christs that Jesus was prophesying about. It is the same Jesus that told you a kingdom that stands against itself will fail in relation to being accused of using Belzebub's power. Jesus, Paul and John revealed the type of power satan will be able to wield once the body of Christ is raptured. I did not even go to new scriptures, I simply interpreted the scriptures you posted IN CONTEXT. You cannot interpret scriptures in isolation. In 2009 I argued with a friend about masturbation and I told him point-blank that it is not a sin in certain contexts. All these happened before 2011 when Pastor Chris answered a question on live TV. Some sins are contextual but when you are a babe in spiritual things you would be ignorant of this fact. When you grow up like Paul you would know that whatsover is not of faith (that works by love) is sin Rom 14:23 not all those "thou shall nots" you nepioses teach yourselves in your gatherings. John the Baptist's message is old school. Jesus even said so. People for years have tried to eschew sin but kept sinning all the more. Paul exposed this in Rom 7. The new message Jesus brought is his new life - the one that supplants the old sinful ways man was born with and makes him completely new. That new life is superior to sin and all the wiles of the devil. Without that life, any eschewing of sin anyone practices will end up in futility. No teacher world over (perhaps except Joseph Prince and a few others) understand "metanoia" or repentance the bible way or to the degree that Pastor Chris does. When you turn on the light, darkness will depart. Yelling about so much darkness in the world is the path people with zero revelations take. Pastor Chris centers his message on the righteousness we have in Christ and not the sins we ought to flee from. Righteousness is greater than Sin. If the OP misunderstood this truth and continued to live in sin and fornication the fault is on him. The bible says a man who looks into the mirror of God- his word, and does not act accordingly is akin to someone who looked into a mirror and forgot what he looked like (and not that the mirror is bad). Genuine repentance unto God is by inundating one's mind with the word of God till it is all you act and think. When you do that, you would put aside fleshly reasonings like "he perms his hair, he cannot be a MOG" and other such unedifying garbage. There is a good, acceptable and perfect will of God. Learn to live in the perfect will of God. My longest post on NL thus far. Hope the trend does not continue. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Kaysalas(m): 3:15pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
TheLordIsGr8:bros. i go like that book O, |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by musicwriter(m): 3:20pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Chi59: Enlightening me how? You must be joking!! . Use your Google, do the search and prove your point. The early Christians were still the few Jewish converts that accepted Christ's message even when he was alive. It was the same Jews Paul were persecuting!!. And when they caught him to answer for his crimes he claimed he's a convert and therefore a Jew. What a funny liar!!. |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Kaysalas(m): 3:22pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Whobedatte:you mean the CE @ alexander street, abule egba right? that's my area bro! i used to see a particular guy fair in complexion with jerry curled hair, he used to make me laff hehehehehe |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Kaysalas(m): 3:31pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
gameboyo:laffing out out and my people are wondering if i never run mad! Nairalanders! una funny die 4 Likes |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Maestro21: 3:44pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
jnrbayano: How else will captives be set free except when they become aware about their liberty in Christ? You who placed them in bondage did you stop seeing sinners in your midst? If you did not, tell us the name of your Catholic parish so we would come and verify it. Pastor Chris has given more to hungry children (both physically and spiritually) than all the roman Catholics in Nigeria put together. In fact, if he was to list out how much he has helped people you would think he was running for the presidency. I laugh when I see somethings online about Men of God and I just pray that some people's eyes will be open. The OP, ask him, as he stopped attending services and giving to the gospel did the ministry lack? That shows you that nobody was fleecing anyone. Pastor Chris always says if you don't believe in your pastor then you should not give your offerings. So how then can anyone be fleeced after hearing that caveat? Or he talked about collecting N1000 for the New Year's service? Did he also mention that that venue is used regularly for many church programs and not a dime is collected? Did he mention that there were many other venues close by where people were told to go to free of charge? Did he tell you that the people who even paid for those tickets were Pastors who procured many tickets to give to their own members so they could attend. Was he also fleecing the Pastors? Lol. A man that gave N1B to BIU. N1B to atleast 2 other Unis. How many times have we seen him give people, $500k, $200k, N100M? Just recently, he gave a church $2M in Lekki. Lol, is that the man that would fleece only N25M from people once in a whole year when he could have made them collect N100k per seat every week and not just N1000 once in a year? That is why other CE members were accusing the OP of lying or having a poverty mentality. I would not do that just yet. |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Kaysalas(m): 3:48pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Raptor15:, how did you know it is 80% of the people that are senseless? did you do a survey? of all the DUMB posts on this thread all day, yours is NUMERO UNO! A wise man once said: it is better to SHUT YOUR MOUTH and have people assume you a UNINTELLIGENT, than to OPEN it and REMOVE ALL DOUBT! 1 Like |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Nobody: 3:48pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
I have always stayed clear of people from christ embassy, deeper life and jehovah's witness due to issues in ideology. |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Whobedatte(m): 4:42pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Kaysalas:nope!! They've left there (Alexander) now at Labak estate gate. But the one I'm talking about is at social club road (Pere side) |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Nobody: 5:39pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
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Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by jnrbayano(m): 6:10pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Maestro21: Okay |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by enimooko: 8:39pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
NubiLove:Stay clear of true worship |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by enimooko: 8:49pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Marchman:But is there any well-established church where you will not find this? |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by enimooko: 8:54pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
paulGrundy:As interpreted by freethinkers and church killers! Dem don start 1 Like |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by paulGrundy(m): 8:56pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
musicwriter: This is the most meaningless argument I have ever seen. So then what are the natives of Jerusalem and Judea called? |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Kaysalas(m): 9:00pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Whobedatte:Oh! i know that one too, one upstairs like that, a couple of buildings from the social club guest house, well done, where do you fellowship now? |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Whobedatte(m): 9:07pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Kaysalas:Yea. I hardly go church again |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by musicwriter(m): 9:17pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
paulGrundy: What was Nigeria called before 1914? Do the maths and you'll arrive at what that region was called. That region was called Palestine and maybe other names at that time, but not Israel. Isreal was created as a country in 1948. Before this time there was no place called Israel as a country. So, the Jews living there would have identified themselves as Palestinians or Egyptians or Mediterraneans. Israel was created from Palestine in 1948. |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by paulGrundy(m): 9:28pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
musicwriter: So which Jew was paul reffering to in Galatians 3:28, about 1500 years before 1948? ; “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female....” |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by musicwriter(m): 9:37pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
paulGrundy: Problem you people have is you take everything you read in the Bible literally unable to understand what you read. Just to answer you, what he was saying is like me saying "there's no Christian, Muslim, Nigerian, American" when it comes to Christ. What he's saying here is everybody is acceptable no matter your religion (Jew) or nationality (Greece). 1 Like |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by Kaysalas(m): 11:02pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
Whobedatte:hmnn! that is NOT d solution either, i for recommend my church but e fit dey too hard for you... pray make God lead you shaaa! stay blessed bro |
Re: Why I Left Christ Embassy Church by paulGrundy(m): 11:08pm On Jul 09, 2017 |
enimooko: Yes that's true the RCC has deviated from the basic tenets of the early church that Peter preserved and passed to other bishops. |
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