hinohsend:


The Sultan of Sokoto can claim to be anything, that dosent mean Yoruba muslims are any subservient to him.

Majority of Yoruba Moslems dont even know that the Sultan occupies such a post. I still remember Islamic Yoruba fasting on days when Northern muslims were celebrating Eid.

Do you know Folashade Ojo has the official title of head of all Nigerian market women, but I'm sure market women, as nearby Abeokuta dont even recognize her.

Once again, the Sultan can claim to be anything, he dosent wield any power over Islamic Yorubas. If he does, pls point it out.

Since you are good at explaining, can you also please explain why Buhari should send Sallah message to Nigerian muslims in Hausa?
Is Hausa now the lingua franca of Islam in the South-west too?

9jakool:

You know all of this and here you are saying they belong to the North and can't have their own state.

I know you hate Yorubas, especially Yorubas who are muslim, it's not news to me. I should have known from the start when you went out the way to tell me that you have come accross many Okuns and many Ilajes in Warri saying that they are not Yoruba and the one person you happened to met in Idiroko on the Nigerian-Benin border that said she is not Yoruba. It's like you go everywhere and every person you meet, you ask their ethnicity and you just so happen to meet the many many Yoruba deniers along the way. It's so ridiculous! Does the Pan-Yoruba identity bother you that much? I was aware of the hate you have for Yoruba muslims when you kept talking about how Yoruba muslims are considered inferior by Hausa and how they don't get along. That's not even the problem as I would understand why you would think that, but it was the way you kept repeating it over and over that I knew something was up.

Let me ask you a question. When you meet someone or you are getting acquainted with someone, ''where are you from?'' has to be among the first questions, or not?
I am also a very observant person by nature. I might just be travelling through an area or when i visit a place and i try to notice the way the faces of the people look like, their dressings, cultures, imterract with them and learn to know their views of life with the slightest opportunity. That's me!

Now, about yoruba muslims, what would i gain from hating them? They just disgust me with their slavish dispositions and that's all. Many middlebelt indigene muslims also give me that disgust, so it's not just yoruba muslims.

You called Yorubas "slavish," yet here are Okun people agitating for exit from the North and inclusion with others like them and here you are saying that they belong to the North. Isn't that that hypocrisy?

I have said it before and i repeat myself. I am not against Okuns having their own state or whatever. I am only against them dividing Lokoja (the capital of Kogi state) away to the South-west. And i strongly believe my opinion on this is the same with Ebiras, Igalas, Nupes and all other Kogi state indigenes.

You cannot just divide a central capital city all other Kogites are trying to build and develop with the collective state rescources and take it away to another region entirely.
Imagine the new federal university in Felele that was established by the FG for all Kogites & North-central catchment areas in general will now be taken away to the South-west! That's absurd and will never happen in broad daylight. It's tantamount to robbery if you ask me.
I'd say it's akin to middlebelters declaring seccession and taking Abuja (Nigeria's FCT) together with us and leaving Nigerians to start looking for a fresh capital city to start again with.

Nowenuse:


Yah, the same Jos that is filled with dead graves of people are dominated by unfortunate yoruba muslim victims and Jihadist corpses. And these graves date back to pre-colonial times when my ancestors killed and buried your fulani islamic jihadist masters and prevented them from capturing/islamizing the Plateau.

Besides, i rather live in a place with so many graves that is free from captivity than live in an enslaved place where i and my unborn generations are perpetually enslaved forever. You yoruba muslims of Kwara need to learn this and perhaps one day free yourself and your unborn children from the stronghold of the caliphate. Till then, enslaved islamized slave.
Millions of yorubas keep on bowing to the fulani emir of Ilorin (as the permanent head of the traditional council of Kwara state) and the Sultan of Sokoto (as the permanent official spiritual head of all yoruba muslims).

Boring you have not stated any point how your misery relates to yorubas in kwara and kogi joining their brothers in South west than insults insults
BTW JOS is not free from captivity.

Nowenuse:


Since you are good at explaining, can you also please explain why Buhari should send Sallah message to Nigerian muslims in Hausa?
Is Hausa now the lingua franca of Islam in the South-west too?

How the hell does this relate to this thread
best to ignore this guy

How does Yorubas in central relate to insulting Yoruba Muslims ?
How does Yoruba in central relate to Hausa language?

go and hike mountains

Nowenuse:


Let me ask you a question. When you meet someone or you are getting acquainted with someone, ''where are you from?'' has to be among the first questions, or not?
I am also a very observant person by nature. I might just be travelling through an area or when i visit a place and i try to notice the way the faces of the people look like, their dressings, cultures, imterract with them and learn to know their views of life with the slightest opportunity. That's me!

Now, about yoruba muslims, what would i gain from hating them? They just disgust me with their slavish dispositions and that's all. Many middlebelt indigene muslims also give me that disgust, so it's not just yoruba muslims.



I have said it before and i repeat myself. I am not against Okuns having their own state or whatever. I am only against them dividing Lokoja (the capital of Kogi state) away to the South-west. And i strongly believe my opinion on this is the same with Ebiras, Igalas, Nupes and all other Kogi state indigenes.

You cannot just divide a central capital city all other Kogites are trying to build and develop with the collective state rescources and take it away to another region entirely.
Imagine the new federal university in Felele that was established by the FG for all Kogites & North-central catchment areas in general will now be taken away to the South-west! That's absurd and will never happen in broad daylight. It's tantamount to robbery if you ask me.
I'd say it's akin to middlebelters declaring seccession and taking Abuja (Nigeria's FCT) together with us and leaving Nigerians to start looking for a fresh capital city to start again with.

No one gives a Bleep about lokoja we have enough land
now get your dirty yorubaphobia ass out of this place

9jakool:


Who do you think I am? Yes, I have been to Ilorin before; I personally know that city well. I have probably been to Ilorin more than you have, so don't even start with me. I have many relatives that are from Ilorin. I have visited many of the iconic place in Ilorin including the oja oba, the Secretariat building, and the university. I've passed through the old mosque and the new central mosque. I've met common people in the town especially in the markets, and they act just as Yorubas in the SW. There is no major difference, except maybe for their dialect. Yoruba traders from the SW flock to Ilorin markets for trade and vice versa.

I have ridden Ilorin's iconic yellow and green taxis countless of times. One of the memorable moment in one was when one of the passenger asked our driver where his facial marks comes from and he was surprised when he said he was Nupe, because he thought he was Yoruba from the way he acted and spoke. Any Yoruba from the SW will feel comfortable in Ilorin.

If not for religious crisis that polarized some northern cities, those days you might not be able to tell the difference between Hausa-fulanis and northern minorities in the cities.

Every Plateau person will feel at home outside his hometown and in places like Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa, Taraba e.t.c to a large extent and someone like you may not be able to tell us apart, but that still does not mean that our school of thoughts are the same.

My point is that, even though other yorubas will feel at home in Ilorin doesn't make the school of thought and cultures of Ilorin/other yorubas the same.

For instance, as soon as you go into the subject of religion with Ilorin indigenes, story go change. The way they react towards religion and culture is very much quite different from most other South-west yorubas. Traditional religions, cultures, festivals, e.t.c is extinct in Ilorin and please try to question an Ilorin indigene of these things and get the shock of your life by their response.
Remember that almost 20 churches were burnt down and christians attacked in Ilorin during the Sharia law sweep in 1999/2000 when an Imam urged Ilorin muslim to burn down every church in the central city. Now, this is something that can never or hardly happen in the South-west no matter how predominantly muslim that town is. And these are my points!

Also, funny enough, you had to narrow it to descendants of the royal lineages abi, because you know that the 99% of the Yorubas in Ilorin have no issues being Yoruba. Those Fulani descendants that populate the city are a very small minority and if according to you, they don't flaunt their Yorubaness, then maybe its because they are half-baked people with foreign blood. They are simply not Yoruba, so the aren't obligated to display their Yoruba colors. Saraki like the emir are half baked with diluted Yoruba heritage, the authentic overwhelming majority of the Yorubas in Ilorin have no problem identifying as Yoruba. There are prominent Yoruba people from many works of life in Ilorin from the musicians to the lawyers to the religious clerics. In Ilorin that I know, the balogun, baale, and iyalode titles in the traditional Yoruba political system are present and well alive.

All this Muslim indigines blah blah blah that's regurgitated over and over on Nairaland about Ilorin is portraying an inaccurate image of the city because most of the people who say it have little or no personal connections to Ilorin.

Who is talking about Southerner matters. I mentioned Yoruba matters specifically, not Southerner matters. This thread is about a Yoruba matter, not a Southerner matter. You take sides when it fits your objectives. You are always an antagonist on Yoruba matter and that remains the fact.

I am judging you based on the past interaction I've had with you, so I don't need to check your past threads. I can definitely say you are a bonafide Yoruba antagonist solely based on the past encounters I've had with you.

Now, what do you think the average Northern minority would gain from antagonizing yoruba? Can u tell me? Check my most recent topic against the Core-north (hausa-fulanis) where i antagonized them and was full ready from them.
I have antagonized Hausas and Igbos on nairaland more, you just have happened to bump into me when am facing yorubas. Well, perhaps you will find me in another thread adoring yorubas as i have done before. If you don't believe that, then it's your problem and not mine.
At least you could see me against an Igbo guy who was comparing Anioma with Okun land. That guy just happened to be a very civil person, if it was the usual Ipob style of approach, by now, you and i wouldn't have been here debating cos you might think i am a yoruba man the length at which i will go in protecting yoruba interests here as long as it's the truth.

Nowenuse:


If not for religious crisis that polarized some northern cities, those days you might not be able to tell the difference between Hausa-fulanis and northern minorities in the cities.

Every Plateau person will feel at home outside his hometown and in places like Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa, Taraba e.t.c to a large extent and someone like you may not be able to tell us apart, but that still does not mean that our school of thoughts are the same.

My point is that, even though other yorubas will feel at home in Ilorin doesn't make the school of thought and cultures of Ilorin/other yorubas the same.

For instance, as soon as you go into the subject of religion with Ilorin indigenes, story go change. The way they react towards religion and culture is very much quite different from most other South-west yorubas. Traditional religions, cultures, festivals, e.t.c is extinct in Ilorin and please try to question an Ilorin indigene of these things and get the shock of your life by their response.
Remember that almost 20 churches were burnt down and christians attacked in Ilorin during the Sharia law sweep in 1999/2000 when an Imam urged Ilorin muslim to burn down every church in the central city. Now, this is something that can never or hardly happen in the South-west no matter how predominantly muslim that town is. And these are my points!





Now, what do you think the average Northern minority would gain from antagonizing yoruba? Can u tell me? Check my most recent topic against the Core-north (hausa-fulanis) where i antagonized them and was full ready from them.
I have antagonized Hausas and Igbos on nairaland more, you just have happened to bump into me when am facing yorubas. Well, perhaps you will find me in another thread adoring yorubas as i have done before. If you don't believe that, then it's your problem and not mine.
At least you could see me against an Igbo guy who was comparing Anioma with Okun land. That guy just happened to be a very civil person, if it was the usual Ipob style of approach, by now, you and i wouldn't have been here debating cos you might think i am a yoruba man the length at which i will go in protecting yoruba interests here as long as it's the truth.

No one gives a Bleep about Jos
It can't be part of Odua
Lokoja wont also go with jos or plateau
If you need help from southern tribes and your just disguising under hate speak up

No one gives a hoot

9jakool:


Well, the "stupid" larger entity I'm talking about is the North you keep shouting about of course. Even though you might have grudges against the Hausas, it hasn't stopped you from associating with the North umbrella which is largely associated with Hausa in order to feel more recognized. The North is a part of your identity and of course you won't want a threat to that entity otherwise you won't have any problems with a proposed Okun state merging with the West.

You can say the North-central (aka middlebelt) and other northern minority areas is part of my identity and that is why i defend her territorial integrity, but not the entire north.
What the fvck do you think i would give if Sokoto & Zamfara states are having territorial issues?
Or Hausa-fulanis & yorubas clash? Do you think i would take any sides?

Oh but I do like bitter truths, because they help you face the cold reality. At the same time, you have to give credits where its due and provide constructive feedback and solutions. In this thread however, you come off as a pure antagonist.

Liar, liar, liar. ''Ilorin & Lokoja are traditionally under the rulership of the Sokoto caliphate (Ilorin especially)''.

Now, how in the name of Abel is this a wrong statement and not a reality of facts? Listen to yourself. Most of what i have been saying here are nothing but the truth, only that i might be magnifying certain aspects which does not sit well with your self delusions and then am labelled an antagonist.

And that is where you are dreadfully wrong. Where did I mentioned that I'm a South-westerner or even claimed my regional affiliation.

Do you think you are playing mind games with a toddler here? Just same way you claim to have noticed me as a yoruba antagonist, so have i noticed you as a yoruba extremist and supremacist.

In fact a Yoruba man from Benin Republic has more rights on this issue than a man from Plateau state. You know what, because at least that Yoruba shares the same ethnicity and culture with those in Kogi.

And this is where you are dead wrong! The colonial masters did not divide Africans according to tribal lines did they? So, when it comes to international issues in Africa, you just have to keep your tribe to your pocket

I have more legal national rights in any part of yoruba land in Nigeria as a Nigerian citizen than a Benin republic yoruba who is just a stone-throw across the Seme border. Bro, you of all people should be smarter than this now. Haba.

And as for Nigeria. Nigeria is not adminstrated by tribal authorities or tribal regions. The territorial integrity of our federating units were not explicitly formed along tribal lines. Is there anything like Yoruba land in the Nigerian constitution?
Hence when it comes to issues affecting the official territorial structure of a federating unit like Kogi state. Other non-yoruba Kogi indigenes have more rights than a South-westerner. Also, the northern political region or North-central geo-political zone is also far more legal that an immaginary cultural yoruba line. Lol

Any yoruba sub-group can officially/culturally pull out of yoruba identity today and heavens will not fall, just as many SS igbo speaking tribes are denouncing Igbo identity and their rights must be respected. Now, can any group just come out and denounce their state, geo-political zone or region without going through legal and consitutional rites??

Nowenuse:


You can say the North-central (aka middlebelt) and other northern minority areas is part of my identity and that is why i defend her territorial integrity, but not the entire north.
What the fvck do you think i would give if Sokoto & Zamfara states are having territorial issues?
Or Hausa-fulanis & yorubas clash? Do you think i would take any sides?




Liar, liar, liar. ''Ilorin & Lokoja are traditionally under the rulership of the Sokoto caliphate (Ilorin especially)''.

Now, how in the name of Abel is this a wrong statement and not a reality of facts? Listen to yourself. Most of what i have been saying here are nothing but the truth, only that i might be magnifying certain aspects which does not sit well with your self delusions and then am labelled an antagonist.



Do you think you are playing mind games with a toddler here? Just same way you claim to have noticed me as a yoruba antagonist, so have i noticed you as a yoruba extremist and supremacist.



And this is where you are dead wrong! The colonial masters did not divide Africans according to tribal lines did they? So, when it comes to international issues in Africa, you just have to keep your tribe to your pocket

I have more legal national rights in any part of yoruba land in Nigeria as a Nigerian citizen than a Benin republic yoruba who is just a stone-throw across the Seme border. Bro, you of all people should be smarter than this now. Haba.

And as for Nigeria. Nigeria is not adminstrated by tribal authorities or tribal regions. The territorial integrity of our federating units were not explicitly formed along tribal lines. Is there anything like Yoruba land in the Nigerian constitution?
Hence when it comes to issues affecting the official territorial structure of a federating unit like Kogi state. Other non-yoruba Kogi indigenes have more rights than a South-westerner. Also, the northern political region or North-central geo-political zone is also far more legal that an immaginary cultural yoruba line. Lol

No one gives a hoot about jos
Get the hell out of this thread
One hand you don't support the caliphate
Another hand caliphate must own ilorin and lokoja
Loool

Markfemi2:


No one gives a Bleep about Jos
It can't be part of Odua
Lokoja wont also go with jos or plateau
If you need help from southern tribes and your just disguising under hate speak up

No one gives a hoot

Why are you masturbating all over my mentions? Gosh! People are having intellectual debates and you are here gallivanting like a biitch on heat.

Tell your yoruba brothers here who were dreaming of Lokoja in the SouthWest.

Nowenuse:


Let me ask you a question. When you meet someone or you are getting acquainted with someone, ''where are you from?'' has to be among the first questions, or not?
I am also a very observant person by nature. I might just be travelling through an area or when i visit a place and i try to notice the way the faces of the people look like, their dressings, cultures, imterract with them and learn to know their views of life with the slightest opportunity. That's me!

Now, about yoruba muslims, what would i gain from hating them? They just disgust me with their slavish dispositions and that's all. Many middlebelt indigene muslims also give me that disgust, so it's not just yoruba muslims.



I have said it before and i repeat myself. I am not against Okuns having their own state or whatever. I am only against them dividing Lokoja (the capital of Kogi state) away to the South-west. And i strongly believe my opinion on this is the same with Ebiras, Igalas, Nupes and all other Kogi state indigenes.

You cannot just divide a central capital city all other Kogites are trying to build and develop with the collective state rescources and take it away to another region entirely.
Imagine the new federal university in Felele that was established by the FG for all Kogites & North-central catchment areas in general will now be taken away to the South-west! That's absurd and will never happen in broad daylight. It's tantamount to robbery if you ask me.
I'd say it's akin to middlebelters declaring seccession and taking Abuja (Nigeria's FCT) together with us and leaving Nigerians to start looking for a fresh capital city to start again with.

Who is the bloody weak bastard from jos abusing okun Yorubas
See this bastard tribe that run to Kogi for protection when onslaught begins on them

Your calling Yoruba town brown roofs
At least they have roofs
More than half of jos is gone already with half of the population living as IDP in their own state
Yoruba is going with its part of lokoja and there's nothing any weak jos man can do about it

Nowenuse:


Why are you masturbating all over my mentions? Gosh! People are having intellectual debates and you are here gallivanting like a biitch on heat.

Tell your yoruba brothers here who were dreaming of Lokoja in the SouthWest.

Shut your dirty cowardice mouth up
Other tribes are talking your talking
Of all the tribes in central its known jos is the weakest tribe
Fulani has destroyed your economy and they're nothing you can do about it
They rape your women
Send Boko haram to destroy your people
Your only envious of Yorubas as jos as lost its glory
I'm from kwbba and I visited jos
It's a conquered and destroyed state
Yorubas will go with Yoruba Kwara and Kogi whether sultan likes it or not
We are one big Yoruba nation

Nowenuse:


Why are you masturbating all over my mentions? Gosh! People are having intellectual debates and you are here gallivanting like a biitch on heat.

Tell your yoruba brothers here who were dreaming of Lokoja in the SouthWest.

Are you done ranting ?
We know lokoja is a golden city in northern standards
Idiotic Buffon
Come and face Yorubas when time comes

johnserek:


Shut your dirty cowardice mouth up
Other tribes are talking your talking
Of all the tribes in central its known jos is the weakest tribe
Fulani has destroyed your economy and they're nothing you can do about it
They rape your women
Send Boko haram to destroy your people
Your only envious of Yorubas as jos as lost its glory
I'm from kwbba and I visited jos
It's a conquered and destroyed state
Yorubas will go with Yoruba Kwara and Kogi whether sultan likes it or not
We are one big Yoruba nation

Preach it my Okun brother

A190:
I'm talking about yours jare

I graduated 2012 o! no drama, we were as gentle as a dove BTW you stay in Egbe?

Nowenuse:


Oh no brother, you are the one twisting your own words. I see no reason why you adress the Tivs, Idomas, Igalas, Igedes, Ebiras, Nupes and others as a few! And here you are again saying only Benue & Southern Niger don't use hausa as a 2nd language. Where did you put the Igalas, Ebiras, Bassas, Nupes, Bussas and other tribes of Kogi & Kwara north?
Now, if you add the population of the Tivs, Idomas, Igedes, Igalas, Ebiras, Nupes e.t.c they will likely outnumber the other tribes who use Hausa as a 2nd language in the North-central combined.
If north-central becomes a country or self governing region today, do you think Hausa would work as a lingua franca? Hell no it won't.


And you see my problem with you is that you are 'Mr know it all', if not you will also know that there are other parts of the north/middlebelt where Hausa is not understood or used as a lingua franca. E.g, many Gbagyi speaking areas of Niger state & FCT do not understand Hausa. They speak only Gbagyi and pidgin which is now becoming very popular because of Abuja metro.

In Langtang town and other Langtang/Tarok speaking areas (Langtang north & South LGAs) in Plateau state, you cannot survive by speaking Hausa alone, you must learn Tarok cos most of them do not understand Hausa there.
I have Tarok friends here in Delta state (where i reside) and whenever we meet, we have to speak pidgin or standard english cos they don't understand Hausa and they were all born and bred in Langtang. Infact, most Langtang people have to learn Hausa from the scratch when in Jos and they are sometimes adressed as INYAMIRIN PLATEAU (plateau igbos) , cos they speak hausa just like Igbos do. Now, they (Taroks) are arguably the largest tribe in Plateau state.

This scenario also plays out in parts of Adamawa, Taraba, Gombe where lots of people from larger tribes there cannot speak Hausa at all, and the worst in Borno/Yobe where Kanuri language is as much a lingua franca as Hausa. You must learn Kanuri and perhaps Bura in order to survive in most parts of Borno & Yobe states.

Go to Zuru town in Kebbi state, many of them don't understand Hausa there and this is supposed to be the 2nd largest town in Kebbi state. Most hausas there have to learn Lelna (zuru language) to cope.

You need to learn more about the north before making yourself an authority on northern issues. Cos the authority with which you speak on issues you don't know so much on is annoying.[/size]

Back to what I said,
"Out of the many states in the North that use Hausa as a lingua franca outside states with Yoruba speakers, only Benue state and Southern Niger state don't use it as a second language."

Kogi and Kwara states got Yoruba speaker, no be so? So sorry to say, but your statement is wrong. You need to read between the lines.

You can save your long spiel, all the ethnic groups you listed up there are no more than 10. Congrats, you listed less than 10 ethnolinguistic groups from like the perhaps 200 or more ethnolinguistic groups in the North. Also, I'm talking about the number of ethnic groups who use Hausa as a second language in the North and not necessary population.

Let me ask you a question. When you meet someone or you are getting acquainted with someone, ''where are you from?'' has to be among the first questions, or not?
I am also a very observant person by nature. I might just be travelling through an area or when i visit a place and i try to notice the way the faces of the people look like, their dressings, cultures, imterract with them and learn to know their views of life with the slightest opportunity. That's me!
And you just happened to meet the many Yoruba deniers along the way.
Now, about yoruba muslims, what would i gain from hating them? They just disgust me with their slavish dispositions and that's all. Many middlebelt indigene muslims also give me that disgust, so it's not just yoruba muslims.

Hate and disgust are not exclusive.

I have said it before and i repeat myself. I am not against Okuns having their own state or whatever. I am only against them dividing Lokoja (the capital of Kogi state) away to the South-west. And i strongly believe my opinion on this is the same with Ebiras, Igalas, Nupes and all other Kogi state indigenes.

You cannot just divide a central capital city all other Kogites are trying to build and develop with the collective state rescources and take it away to another region entirely.
Imagine the new federal university in Felele that was established by the FG for all Kogites & North-central catchment areas in general will now be taken away to the South-west! That's absurd and will never happen in broad daylight. It's tantamount to robbery if you ask me.
I'd say it's akin to middlebelters declaring seccession and taking Abuja (Nigeria's FCT) together with us and leaving Nigerians to start looking for a fresh capital city to start again with.

It's not impossible to have a city that span two states/admin div. This phenomenon exists throughout the world. Also, when states creation happen in Nigeria, you loose some and gain some. It's the way it has always worked. Every part of Lokoja was developed by its different inhabitants, the Okun are only asking for their share. The Yoruba parts were partially developed by other ethnicities as well, but the truth is vice versa because the non-Yoruba parts were also developed partially by Yorubas so it evens out as long as the entire Lokoja isn't included.

If not for religious crisis that polarized some northern cities, those days you might not be able to tell the difference between Hausa-fulanis and northern minorities in the cities.

Every Plateau person will feel at home outside his hometown and in places like Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa, Taraba e.t.c to a large extent and someone like you may not be able to tell us apart, but that still does not mean that our school of thoughts are the same.

My point is that, even though other yorubas will feel at home in Ilorin doesn't make the school of thought and cultures of Ilorin/other yorubas the same.

For instance, as soon as you go into the subject of religion with Ilorin indigenes, story go change. The way they react towards religion and culture is very much quite different from most other South-west yorubas. Traditional religions, cultures, festivals, e.t.c is extinct in Ilorin and please try to question an Ilorin indigene of these things and get the shock of your life by their response.
Remember that almost 20 churches were burnt down and christians attacked in Ilorin during the Sharia law sweep in 1999/2000 when an Imam urged Ilorin muslim to burn down every church in the central city. Now, this is something that can never or hardly happen in the South-west no matter how predominantly muslim that town is. And these are my points!

Now, what do you think the average Northern minority would gain from antagonizing yoruba? Can u tell me? Check my most recent topic against the Core-north (hausa-fulanis) where i antagonized them and was full ready from them.
I have antagonized Hausas and Igbos on nairaland more, you just have happened to bump into me when am facing yorubas. Well, perhaps you will find me in another thread adoring yorubas as i have done before. If you don't believe that, then it's your problem and not mine.
At least you could see me against an Igbo guy who was comparing Anioma with Okun land. That guy just happened to be a very civil person, if it was the usual Ipob style of approach, by now, you and i wouldn't have been here debating cos you might think i am a yoruba man the length at which i will go in protecting yoruba interests here as long as it's the truth.

First of all, there are religious fanaticism everywhere, it might just be highly concentrated in Ilorin for obvious apparent reasons. Incidents like religious violence you mentioned are an anomaly for Ilorin as they are not characteristic of the city. There are a few towns in the SW that are even more islamized than Ilorin. Also, despite the reputation of Ilorin, Ilorin is still a religiously diverse city and still relatively tolerant similarly to other towns in the SW.

Lol, it's a blatant lie that there is no traditional religions/cultures in Ilorin. It's one thing to claim that traditional adherents and cultural display is relatively lower than other Yoruba towns, it's another to claim it doesn't exist like you have just did. Speaking of culture, there is an area known as Okemale in Ilorin that's known for traditional aso oke weaving. Speaking of religion, Igbominas are well present in Ilorin, and they are known for their epa mask/masquerade traditions. Sure Ilorin muslims as well as Christians alike don't participate in religious activities, it doesn't negate the presence of tradition.

As for the last part, you have perhaps antagonized more on this thread than anything else. Again, when you supposedly defended "Yoruba intrest" from the Igbo guy, what you were actually doing is sticking up for your NC interest because Kogi is in NC. However, I can't ask much from you as you are not Yoruba. That was probably one of the few times you didn't come out as negative, but much of your posts is condescending or bitter in tone.

Nowenuse:


Why are you masturbating all over my mentions? Gosh! People are having intellectual debates and you are here gallivanting like a biitch on heat.

Tell your yoruba brothers here who were dreaming of Lokoja in the SouthWest.

Is this true?
Boko haram
Fulani
Religious crisis
Or na Yoruba matter you carry for head

Nowenuse:


You can say the North-central (aka middlebelt) and other northern minority areas is part of my identity and that is why i defend her territorial integrity, but not the entire north.
What the fvck do you think i would give if Sokoto & Zamfara states are having territorial issues?
Or Hausa-fulanis & yorubas clash? Do you think i would take any sides?

Liar, liar, liar. ''Ilorin & Lokoja are traditionally under the rulership of the Sokoto caliphate (Ilorin especially)''.

Now, how in the name of Abel is this a wrong statement and not a reality of facts? Listen to yourself. Most of what i have been saying here are nothing but the truth, only that i might be magnifying certain aspects which does not sit well with your self delusions and then am labelled an antagonist.

Do you think you are playing mind games with a toddler here? Just same way you claim to have noticed me as a yoruba antagonist, so have i noticed you as a yoruba extremist and supremacist.

And this is where you are dead wrong! The colonial masters did not divide Africans according to tribal lines did they? So, when it comes to international issues in Africa, you just have to keep your tribe to your pocket

I have more legal national rights in any part of yoruba land in Nigeria as a Nigerian citizen than a Benin republic yoruba who is just a stone-throw across the Seme border. Bro, you of all people should be smarter than this now. Haba.

And as for Nigeria. Nigeria is not adminstrated by tribal authorities or tribal regions. The territorial integrity of our federating units were not explicitly formed along tribal lines. Is there anything like Yoruba land in the Nigerian constitution?
Hence when it comes to issues affecting the official territorial structure of a federating unit like Kogi state. Other non-yoruba Kogi indigenes have more rights than a South-westerner. Also, the northern political region or North-central geo-political zone is also far more legal that an immaginary cultural yoruba line. Lol

Any yoruba sub-group can officially/culturally pull out of yoruba identity today and heavens will not fall, just as many SS igbo speaking tribes are denouncing Igbo identity and their rights must be respected. Now, can any group just come out and denounce their state, geo-political zone or region without going through legal and consitutional rites??

And you should know very well, that Yorubas in the NC don't count as part of the middle belt.

Saying Ilorin emirate is traditionally governed under Sokoto caliphate is different from saying Ilorin "belong" to the North. Using the word "belong" in this context carries a different connotation all together. It has a hateful undertone to it and you know it. Things like that make you sound like an antagonist.

Yes, you might have more legal rights as a Nigerian, but socially speaking that Benin Yoruba's opinion is more respected/ socially valid. And as for the bolded, all Kogites have more rights on the issue than you as a Plateau man, you can't play the NC attache.

johnserek:


Who is the bloody weak bastard from jos abusing okun Yorubas
See this bastard tribe that run to Kogi for protection when onslaught begins on them

Your calling Yoruba town brown roofs
At least they have roofs
More than half of jos is gone already with half of the population living as IDP in their own state
Yoruba is going with its part of lokoja and there's nothing any weak jos man can do about it

Pls little vermin, crawl back to the whole you are coming from!
Just listen to your foolish self. When last did Boko haram attack Jos or a crisis rocked the city? Answer the question imbeccile. And can you back your words with hard facts that Jos people are living as IDPs in their state? Prove it with links or forever be condemned to foolishness!

I am fully ready to show you fresh links of how many yoruba lives have been lost to badoo terrorism and ijaw militancy.
Ijaws a minority group have been terrorising yorubas and you guys couldn't do shitt if not for the FG intervention. Many yoruba coastal communities have been entirely occupied by Ijaws, deal with that.
Just last year here, thousands of yorubas were rendered homeless by Eguns in the clash between yorubas & Eguns.
Your land has become the ritualist capital of Africa. Not a day passes by without human parts & skulls and even factories like Soka forest being discovered in yoruba land. Nonsense! There are more things consuming yoruba lives on daily basis and you are mentioning Jos crisis which took place last almost 7 years ago in 2010.

Nowenuse:


The Sultan of Sokoto is not just the Spiritual head of all Nigerian muslims by mouth. It is very very much official and even constitutional (i stand to be corrected). It is a permanent and official traditional title.

It is not constitutional, What makes it 'very,very official'?

Your screen shot says he is 'considered', the head of muslims.

Who even knows the Folashade you are talking of? Please use your analogies reasonably!

The Sultan is the permanent President general of the Nigerian national supreme council of islamic affairs which all muslims in Nigeria are subject to (including all yoruba muslims). Now, this is an official state national body and not some randy independent market women union no one knows of.

You are not making many points.
The NSCIA is not a State Body/Organization.

Once again, Respond to the question, how are Western Muslims subjects to the body?. Can you give me one aspect of influence which the Sultan wields over Yoruba Moslems.

Markfemi2:



Is this true?
Boko haram
Fulani
Religious crisis
Or na Yoruba matter you carry for head

I am carrying Kogi state/North-central matter on my head and not brown roof republic issues.

Now, the same fulanis also attack in yoruba land or don't they?
Add that with Ijaw militancy
Badoo terrorism
Aiye-Eiye cult clashes
Egun- yoruba clashes
Ritual killings
Hausa clashes e.t c and what do we have?

9jakool:

And you should know very well, that Yorubas in the NC don't count as part of the middle belt.

Saying Ilorin emirate is traditionally governed under Sokoto caliphate is different from saying Ilorin "belong" to the North. Using the word "belong" in this context carries a different connotation all together. It has a hateful undertone to it and you know it. Things like that make you sound like an antagonist.

Yes, you might have more legal rights as a Nigerian, but socially speaking that Benin Yoruba's opinion is more respected/ socially valid. And as for the bolded, all Kogites have more rights on the issue than you as a Plateau man, you can't play the NC attache.

And who said yorubas in the NC don't count as middlebelt?. I belong to various middlebelt fora and there are NC yorubas there. Some are even admins/leaders. Don't conclude what you are not sure of. They partake in Arewa associations, let alone middlebelt.

Where did i ever argue Kogites having more rights on this issue than me? I am only against Southerners/South-westerners having more rights than me.

Thank God you said socially speaking. Now, is this a pan socio-cultural yoruba thread?

Nowenuse:


I am carrying Kogi state/North-central matter on my head and not brown roof republic issues.

Now, the same fulanis also attack in yoruba land or don't they?
Add that with Ijaw militancy
Badoo terrorism
Aiye-Eiye cult clashes
Egun- yoruba clashes
Ritual killings
Hausa clashes e.t c and what do we have?

What ijaw militant ? Same chased away !
All you have stated here is internal clash which happens everywhere

Go and face the triple combo of Fulani Boko haram and this new group terrorising your state
Carry your central matter on your head and exclude Yorubas out if it who wants to be associated with region that produces shoe shiners and polio suffering Citizens
Brown roof Yoruba land will Buy your entire region as a colony

Markfemi2:


Are you done ranting ?
We know lokoja is a golden city in northern standards
Idiotic Buffon
Come and face Yorubas when time comes

U are no different from the thousands of yoruba touts, agberos, omoniles & owomidas are you?

Lokoja is a golden city compared with all the brown-roof rusty and dillapidated cities in the core SW.

Nowenuse:


U are no different from the thousands of yoruba touts, agberos, omoniles & owomidas are you?

Lokoja is a golden city compared with all the brown-roof rusty and dillapidated cities in the core SW.

At least that's better than. The BABIN ALLAH BEGGING MUSICIANS were full your region

See how pathetic your region is
Do you see Yoruba beggers or shoe shiners or leprosy infested Yorubas ?

Markfemi2:


What ijaw militant ? Same chased away !
All you have stated here is internal clash which happens everywhere

Go and face the triple combo of Fulani Boko haram and this new group terrorising your state
Carry your central matter on your head and exclude Yorubas out if it who wants to be associated with region that produces shoe shiners and polio suffering Citizens
Brown roof Yoruba land will Buy your entire region as a colony

The same fulanis that are raping yoruba women to death on their soil?
And who chased the militants away? Yorubas? Thank your northern masters in control of the armed forces for that.
So, Egun- yoruba n Hausa- yoruba clashes r now internal clashes right?

And stop generalizing nonsense! Cult rival groups do not clash among my people and terrorize resident ok?
We do not also use ourselves for ritual killings. Happenes only in yoruba land.

Nowenuse:


The same fulanis that are raping yoruba women to death on their soil?
And who chased the militants away? Yorubas? Thank your northern masters in control of the armed forces for that.
So, Egun- yoruba n Hausa- yoruba clashes r now internal clashes right?

And stop generalizing nonsense! Cult rival groups do not clash among my people and terrorize resident ok?
We do not also use ourselves for ritual killings. Happenes only in yoruba land.

Go and give your children polio vaccines so you won't churn out new generation of beggers singing bambi allah or shoe shining Yorubas shoe

Markfemi2:


At least that's better than. The BABIN ALLAH BEGGING MUSICIANS were full your region

See how pathetic your region is
Do you see Yoruba beggers or shoe shiners or leprosy infested Yorubas ?

Are you a naturally occuring fool or what? How many North-central indigenes have you seen begging or shinning shoes? There are hausa beggars in our region just as them boku for Lagos! Abi nor be so?

That Jos community was a Hausa community just like the Hausa communities in Lagos like Idi Araba, Sango, Mile 12 et al

Nowenuse:


Are you a naturally occuring fool or what? How many North-central indigenes have you seen begging or shinning shoes? There are hausa beggars in our region just as them boku for Lagos! Abi nor be so?

That Jos community was a Hausa community just like the Hausa communities in Lagos like Idi Araba, Sango, Mile 12 et al

Shut your mouth they are jos indigenes
In addition to cultist clash and generation of beggers
Lassa fever also destroying jos

Lool what a time to be a jos man
You won't face this issue of polio and lassa
Na Yoruba matter you carry for head

johnserek:


Shut your dirty cowardice mouth up
Other tribes are talking your talking
Of all the tribes in central its known jos is the weakest tribe
Fulani has destroyed your economy and they're nothing you can do about it
They rape your women
Send Boko haram to destroy your people
Your only envious of Yorubas as jos as lost its glory
I'm from kwbba and I visited jos
It's a conquered and destroyed state
Yorubas will go with Yoruba Kwara and Kogi whether sultan likes it or not
We are one big Yoruba nation

What compound foolishness.

Jos has been conquered yet we don't pay homage and respects to the Sokoto caliphate unlike the entire Kwara state which has a fulani descendant of Sokoto caliphate as the permanent official head of Kwara state traditional council.

If Jos has been completely destroyed, why are there still thousands of yorubas there? Many who their grandparents were there since pre- independence and have not gone back to their brown roof towns with gutters, pit latrines and shitt everywhere?

Markfemi2:


Shut your mouth they are jos indigenes
In addition to cultist clash and generation of beggers
Lassa fever also destroying jos

Lool what a time to be a jos man
You won't face this issue of polio and lassa
Na Yoruba matter you carry for head

I should have known that you are nothing but a small boy who has the priviledge of data subscription through his mother.
Lassa fever that was killing people everywhere and even worse in parts of the South than North. Did Ebola not start spreading from Lagos? Meningitis was in Lagos but never entered Plateau state.

Dirty stinking filthy pigs who keep shitt under their beds for many days. The dirtiest tribe in Africa.

And i repeat, i have no business with brown roof region. Okun and Kogi state is part of the North-central my zone and that is why i am here.