Maestro21:


A man is having fertility treatment and part of the conditions is to submit semen for testing. How would he provide the semen?

the guy who wrote into the programme where Oyakhs made that famous statement, was not a married man. He is probably in his late teens/early 20s (and at this stage in life, i think it is normal for people to masturbate. For me, the guy only got worried about nothing).

So the situation Oyakhilome was responding to, is very clear. Hhe wasn't responding to a case where a married man who needed to give sperm for fertility test was confused if the process of producing the semen was contradictory to his faith. He was responding to a situation where a habitual masturbator, who does the act because he probably doesn't have a woman, for whatever reason and wants to relief himself of sexual tension.

From Jesus' perspective as given in the bible, he said: "whoever looks at a woman lustfully, and in his heart, desires to have her, is guilty of sin". So, technically, you might say that Jesus would consider this young man's case to be a sin; since he is unmarried and gratifies himself and in the process, think of having a woman he probably has seen at work, neighbourhood, school, club, church, etc.

I, as an atheist, think that Jesus' position is not a very fair one especially when the individual is masturbating to relief sexual tension. Jesus' admonition not to look at a woman and desire to have her is useful in order to prevent one from actually going to commit sexual crimes like rape etc. But to tell people not to have a picture of a desired lady in mind so as to help masturbate to relief sexual tension, is what i see as nonsense.

MiddleDimension:


the guy who wrote into the programme where Oyakhs made that famous statement, was not a married man. He is probably in his late teens/early 20s (and at this stage in life, i think it is normal for people to masturbate. For me, the guy only got worried about nothing).

So the situation Oyakhilome was responding to, is very clear. Hhe wasn't responding to a case where a married man who needed to give sperm for fertility test was confused if the process of producing the semen was contradictory to his faith. He was responding to a situation where a habitual masturbator, who does the act because he probably doesn't have a woman, for whatever reason and wants to relief himself of sexual tension.

From Jesus' perspective as given in the bible, he said: "whoever looks at a woman lustfully, and in his heart, desires to have her, is guilty of sin". So, technically, you might say that Jesus would consider this young man's case to be a sin; since he is unmarried and gratifies himself and in the process, think of having a woman he probably has seen at work, neighbourhood, school, club, church, etc.

I, as an atheist, think that Jesus' position is not a very fair one especially when the individual is masturbating to relief sexual tension. Jesus' admonition not to look at a woman and desire to have her is useful in order to prevent one from actually going to commit sexual crimes like rape etc. But to tell people not to have a picture of a desired lady in mind so as to help masturbate to relief sexual tension, is what i see as nonsense.

How did you come about the guy's marital status?

Pastor Chris said "masturbation in itself". That is what he said.

If someone lusts and masturbates as a result, he sinned by lusting. Jesus called LUST a sin. Period.

Kaysalas:




Hahahaha! i marvel 2 your level of imagination, you should really be writing books.
first up, are you a medical practitioner? how are you so sure that is the only way of extracting sperm from a man?
masturbation is sexual sin, please STOP rationalising sin for whatever reason...suppose this....suppose that?hope i have answered you but you are yet to answer my question...how do you masturbate on its own(without thinking about a woman?)

as per being too busy to answer, O boi na when i get chance i go answer oo!

So if I masturbate thinking about my wife what is my sin?

You are trying a tad too hard. Pace yourself. You are the one who has called it a sexual sin yet you are asking me if there is another means of extracting the semen. So, if a doctor (whether male or female) holds the man's private part is the doctor sinning? After all, should touching another man's private part not be a sin?

Keep trapping yourself in gabble.

donnie:


The masturbation is one thing, the "thinking or thoughts" is another... get that?

mas·tur·ba·tion\ˌmas-tər-ˈbā-shən\
noun
: erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation, occasionally by sexual fantasies, or by various combinations of these agencies
First use: 1603

Now, from the above Merriam Webster definition, Sexual fantasies are just one of the means... it may involve sexual fantasies OCCASIONALLY.

I tire.

Maestro21:


So if I masturbate thinking about my wife what is my sin?

You are trying a tad too hard. Pace yourself. You are the one who has called it a sexual sin yet you are asking me if there is another means of extracting the semen. So, if a doctor (whether male or female) holds the man's private part is the doctor sinning? After all, should touching another man's private part not be a sin?

Keep trapping yourself in gabble.

O boi! u can choose to believe whatever you want, but please dont come and spread falsehood like Pst chris or defend it like you and all your league of defenders. if a doctor needs a man's sperm, must he touch the man? can the man not sleep with his wife using a condom? why do you take so much delight in "explaining away" sin? i think i can guess your next " what is?" but lemme hold on?

kindly read this article to the very end especially the concluding paragraph, God bless you

https://www.gotquestions.org/masturbation-sin.html

Kaysalas:

O boi! u can choose to believe whatever you want, but please dont come and spread falsehood like Pst chris or defend it like you and all your league of defenders. if a doctor needs a man's sperm, must he touch the man? can the man not sleep with his wife using a condom? why do you take so much delight in "explaining away" sin? i think i can guess your next " what is?" but lemme hold on?

You are the one who is trying to prove you know more than us but you cannot give any sensible response to our questions. You said the man must not masturbate to produce semen for a fertility test. I asked how else it would be gotten- whether a Doctor would extract it from him and you have changed position to say he should extract it while having sex with his wife. What if his wife is away on business trip? What if she is incapacitated at the point?

If there are conditions in which something may not be a sin, then it is absolutely foolish of anyone to brusquely declare it a sin.

I know most of you are not trained so you think you are doing God a favor. But he does not operate that way. Jesus said David ate the bread placed in the Altar because he was hungry. Why was it not a sin? Jesus flouted the rules the Pharisees adhered to according to the Law and said he was not wrong? Why?

Your article answered your question. I doubt you read it at all. Pastor Chris did not encourage the act but he expressly stated that the act, in itself, was not a sin and your article said same.

I told you, if a man lusts then masturbates. The sin is the LUST. Just the way sex is not a sin except premarital, extramarital or done by force i.e rape. So I can say having sex IN ITSELF is not a sin.

Maestro21:


You are the one who is trying to prove you know more than us but you cannot give any sensible response to our questions. You said the man must not masturbate to produce semen for a fertility test. I asked how else it would be gotten- whether a Doctor would extract it from him and you have changed position to say he should extract it while having sex with his wife. What if his wife is a away on business trip? What if she is incapacitated at the point?

If there are conditions in which something may not be a sin, then it is absolutely foolish of anyone to brusquely declare it a sin.

I know most of you are not trained so you think you are doing God a favor. But he does not operate that way. Jesus said David ate the bread placed in the Altar because he was hungry. Why was it not a sin? Jesus flouted the rules the Pharisees adhered to according to the Law and said he was not wrong? Why?

got you right where i wanted you, i knew you were gonna paint another "what if" so the wife had to be incapacitated at the time the doctor needed to do fertility test right? hehehe
and the fertility test cannot wait till later, no no no, it has to be done now so that the man will not DIE right? keep fooling yourself.
see you wey dey trained! u just open your mouth and spew thrash online. how do you know most of us arent trained? u don do census? hahaha

Maestro21:
Your article answered your question. I doubt you read it at all. Pastor Chris did not encourage the act but he expressly stated that the act, in itself, was not a sin and your article said same.

I told you, if a man lusts then masturbates. The sin is the LUST. Just the way sex is not a sin except premarital, extramarital or done by force i.e rape. So I can say having sex IN ITSELF is not a sin.

shame on you! i tot i told you expressly to read to the very end, most especially the concluding paragraph? now tell me what does it say?(the very last paragraph)

jaymejate:
THIS GUY is .... i'm sorry to say, is a fool.
you guys have totally forgotten that, the pastors are human being and not has perfect as Jesus u know.
they too always look for a way to get enlightened. so you too you are finding enlightenment that's why you're there.
teachings can never be perfect.
you are to take the ones that is useful to you and throw away the ones that are not.

the ministry of people is different. some is to teach holiness, some to teach on how to give, some is prosperity e.t.c.

and moreover, they didn't force you to give or did they point gun at you to give?
if they are not giving you what you want to hear, go to another place and stop making people feel like the church is diff.

MINISTRY OF EVERYONE IS DIFF.

you judging them, check Romans 2; 1-3

Sorry sir, first of all, if you are a Christian, you don't insult people. Please, I want to ask, if your ministry is merely to teach sinners how to give or prosper, after the giving and prosperity, where will your congregation spend their eternity?

jnrbayano:


I really tried to help your shut eyes but being shut is like paradise to you.

In all the references I put out show that the devil can perform mighty acts, signs and lying wonders to deceive/intrigue (as with Moses and Aaron in the old testament, Jesus affimation in the new testament and John's revelation about the future events) Since you are hell bent on justifying a charlatan, by every means continue.

Jesus, John and Paul recognised Satan's signs and wonders and using your logic, they believed Satan's power is superior to God's. You people will say anything to support your God of man....lol

Keep masturbating. Keep finding a reason for it. I'm sure before Chris talked about Masturbation on National TV, you knew it was a sin. Now, you have the license from Almighty Chris.

John the baptist appeared to usher in Jesus the master. He brought a teaching centred on repentance which is focusing on God and eschewing sin.

...Chris was sent by his master to ready people to meet him by watering down completely repentance, (contrary to John the baptist's teaching) enslaving man, woman and child by fleecing them, (contrary to Jesus's teachings of setting captives free and feeding the hungry) and teaching blatantly on National TV that masturbation, an immoral act is not a sin.

Testing the spirit of Chris is the easiest thing a Christian can/would ever do.

May i christen you "WILLIAM" the defender of the faith. God bless you real good for "putting these antichrists to the sword"

Kaysalas:


got you right where i wanted you, i knew you were gonna paint another "what if" so the wife had to be incapacitated at the time the doctor needed to do fertility test right? hehehe
and the fertility test cannot wait till later, no no no, it has to be done now so that the man will not DIE right? keep fooling yourself.
see you wey dey trained! u just open your mouth and spew thrash online. how do you know most of us arent trained? u don do census? hahaha

You are gabbling incoherently and patting yourself on the back. Is there a situation where LUSTING will not be a sin? Is there a situation where FORNICATING will not be a sin?

That is why God did not send you to help him categorize what is sin or not. He gave you the scriptures so you would follow it. But the brotherhood of spiritual detectives will not wait for his instructions. You carry on and put yourself in trouble.

Since I have presented you with situations where producing semen from a man's private organ does not involve lusting, unlawful sexual desires and the likes, please tell me the rationale in which masturbation should be a sin all the time?

Kaysalas:

shame on you! i tot i told you expressly to read to the very end, most especially the concluding paragraph? now tell me what does it say?(the very last paragraph)

Your version of inanity is befuddling. Let me quote your last paragraph for you. Here goes:

if done with absolutely no lust, immoral thoughts, or pornography, with full assurance that it is good and right, with thanks given to God for the pleasure it brings (see 1 Corinthians 10:30), is it still a sin to masturbate? The most we can say is maybe not. However, we have serious doubts whether this scenario ever truly exists.

What we have up there is someone who knows the truth but is still hiding behind words to remain politically correct. Is it a sin? The answer is NO. That the writer doubts that such a situation exists where masturbation was devoid of lust and immoral thoughts is his own cup of tea. He plainly said he could not call it a sin.

He is wiser than you. Learn from him.

Kaysalas:

May i christen you "WILLIAM" the defender of the faith. God bless you real good for "putting these antichrists to the sword"

So delusional. Hahaha.

musicwriter:


I believe in God, but not the God of religion. The God of religion is not fair, takes side, order people to kill for whatever reason. Christianity goes as far as claiming they have a license to sin as Paul told them.

Yes, I' am a die-hard believer in Africa.

I' am not a religious person and won't know what church African-Americans prefer, but it could be the Lutheran faith founded by Martin Luther King Jr. I approach the Bible historically, cause there're valid history there, though it's not completely historically correct.

What African-Americans are saying about themselves being the original Jews is correct, because the bulk of the original Jews remains in Africa and it was from here many were sold to slavery across the world as the Bible itself prophesied. See video on given link for details on that. It's also independently verifiable by both archeology and history. There was an Ethiopian atheist, Dr. Ben Josef Joachanna, who himself was a historian, and in his book "the African origins of the major western religions" detailed how Judaism and Christianity began. I have the audio book, if you need it email: kemeticphilosophy@gmail. There're also other books corroborating the history; like "Christianity before Christ" by John G. Jackson, but I don't have it right now. Unfortunately, the history was re-written and stolen while we were in slavery.

Life began in Africa, and any Adam and Eve were Africans from here we populated the world. Science agrees with this. Any Noah was an African. And any children they had were black!. See the lost history http://www.africason.com/2016/01/the-lost-history-why-was-black-history.html

kindly send me the audio book and othr materials my email is my nairaland handle at yahoo don come

Kaysalas:

May i christen you "WILLIAM" the defender of the faith. God bless you real good for "putting these antichrists to the sword"

God bless you more dear

I don't mind you defending your church because you've all been brainwashed there. The bible is meant for everyone to understand and that's why we have copies. You people don't seems to see anything wrong in your church. Address the issues raised. You are wrong to condemn him. You should at least be able to talk more on the issues raised. We only serve God not humans. He's no God he's human as you are. He can never be God. Serve God not humans.

Falzdbadtguy:
Are poor people not also children of God, abi, no be the same God we all created in his image!

I'm glad you agree there are some questionable acts in your church. Most of you don't talk about the wrongs and you defend it. That's so wrong on many levels. This is not about the devil using anyone to tear the church its about the church doing what is right.

itsmeurLady:
OP this does not only happen in Christ embassy, it happens everywhere as per the giving issue... for ur info, I've been a CEC Member for years now and I've never been broke, it has been from one level of glory to another. Are u saying that the Bible is a liar Givers never lack, it's not possible except u are giving for the wrong reasons. Show me a person that gave and I will show u a person that gave wrongly. U don't kno wat ppl do when the give, so don't be quick to conclude. Yes I kno there are some acts that cld be questioning in my church buh that's bcs we are not perfect, we are all striving towards perfection... pastor does not promote sin, if you study ur bible properly and read ur devotional, it will be difficult for sin to have dominion in ur life. Just if u will let the Holy Spirit guide you to serve God right. Cs the Bible sez not by our power nor by might but by his spirit. So OP go and look for the perfect church to worship in, where there are no offenders but trust me u will be shocked. I'm still in CEC bcs it has improved my spiritual life in terms of praying, speaking positively and seeing things differently from the world's view. It has also built my faith, so OP u have sed ur own, but I can count my blessings from that same church u are condemning. Story plenty for Christ embassy but my dear OP, stay in a Church that above all, will help put the word of God in your spirit. Some pastors even listen to Pastor Chris'msgs to tell you how powerful his messages are. OP take heed lest u fall, Don't let Satan use you to drag ppl away from the body of Christ Cs I don't see the reason y u are posting this... u dey post am make we comot? Comot go where Another church that will still do the same thing

You made no sense at all. You are defensive and that's d confirmation of a wrong right there. Your church at the moment is not in good shape to talk about many things. And you said it's only a poor man that talks like that ..I won't say that to anyone. I would rather enlighten him ... You must have gone to d church to get or make money not to serve God. Do you think your comment here can make a sinner change his or her ways Stop reading the back of the bible or reading upside down. Study it. Sister handle your sense and see the wrong in your church.

akagaba:
Op, wake up... as soon as u left, 500 more people walked in so dont come here and disgrace urself. If u have allowed d devil to take a hold of u, then seek deliverance somehwere becus so many lives are being changed and transformed in Christ Embassy. We dont preach sin in CE cuz thats not what God asked us to preach. We rather preach the goodnews of the gospel of our Lord Jesus and thats the gudnews that brings sinners to God.

For money matter, its only a poor man that speaks d way u do. We give big, very very big in CE and thats becuz we serve a big God so deal with ur poverty.

prof22:
I don't mind you defending your church because you've all been brainwashed there. The bible is meant for everyone to understand and that's why we have copies. You people don't seems to see anything wrong in your church. Address the issues raised. You are wrong to condemn him. You should at least be able to talk more on the issues raised. We only serve God not humans. He's no God he's human as you are. He can never be God. Serve God not humans.

what r u on about mate

Marchman:
3. Pastor Chris is the orthodoxy
In CE, Pst Chris is the standard; he is the orthodoxy of the word of God. He is in fact treated like God. His words are law. He could cancel engagements, delay marriages and, in my mother’s language, can do and undo!
Everything revolves around him. He has limitless powers and not inhibited by anything.

And what do they say about absolute power corrupts absolutely?

Exactly what you have in the church. No one dares challenge him. In a godly environment, there should have been some enquiry in to the crisis of his marriage with the objective to mend the issues. But no one dares even raise such issues. People like Joe Agbaje are prepared to lie for him. I recall a time when the issue of PST Chris living separately from his wife came up here, Joe Agbaje defended him, claiming that the couple see often and even go on romantic get-away. It was not true. To all intents and purpose, the man abandoned his wife and family in London while gallivanting around the world with his concubines. This was wrong, but who could challenge the KING? The man had also warned members never to discuss pastors and that they should run away where such matters are being discussed. What you have is a situation where people are so afraid to even consider the allegations against him, so as not to be consumed by fire! SMH!!!

With such a context, the man can get away with anything, including polygamy. He can rewrite the bible, claiming that some portions or verses were not clearly written. He can do ANYTHING, and the staunch members and the pastors would defend him. I mean ANYTHING.

They deify him, call him the ‘Jesus in white suit,’ ‘the Jesus of our time’ and such heresies.
Two personal experiences really got me worried.

A. I was in church one day when a leader in a talk show said, “Pst Chris is not only in Ikeja or Lagos. His spirit is even here right now’’. I was shocked by the comments and obvious deification of a mere mortal. But when the pastor came up, he did not rebuke the speaker or said anything about it. I left for home, thinking hard: What has happened to these people?
B. Th other one was during prayer. The person leading the prayer asked us to pray so that the message of PST Chris will take over the world. Message of Pst Chris? I asked myself. I thought we came there because of the gospel/message of Christ? Does Pst Chris have a different message? Of course, I didn’t participate in that prayer but I was shocked that no one saw anything wrong in this, which validated my growing belief that the church was veering out of the Christian lane into something else.

I will stop here for now. But if challenged by the minions of the church, I have more arsenals. Good day and God bless you.

Pentecostals. I call them entrepreneurs. They opened the business with their pictures and that of their wives, showing who owns the business.

Have you tried investigating JWs? Not thaw they don't have issues as imperfect humans, but at least no emphasis on a human nor emphasis on money. Try www.JW.org

JMAN05:


Pentecostals. I call them entrepreneurs. They opened the business with their pictures and that of their wives, showing who owns the business.

Have you tried investigating JWs? Not thaw they don't have issues as imperfect humans, but at least no emphasis on a human nor emphasis on money. Try www.JW.org

So how do they pay their bethel workers their stipends? Is it not money donated by church members? Stop acting like money falls from the sky for your organization and they lay emphasis on 7 old men in New York #hypocrisy

prof22:

I'm glad you agree there are some questionable acts in your church. Most of you don't talk about the wrongs and you defend it. That's so wrong on many levels. This is not about the devil using anyone to tear the church its about the church doing what is right.

Yes I agree because the church is not meant for perfect people.... are there no questionable acts happening in ur church

They are in my church but I don't think a church should have more of these questionable characters. We are all humans no one is perfect but there are lots of wrongs in ur church at the moment. From pastors stopping peoples wedding because they want to match make to pastors who decided not to be married but can stop sisters from getting married because the guy is not from ur church and sisters living in single pastors house and lots more. and what's up with the "wanking" ain't a sin too... Come on the understanding of the bible is according to how holy spirit leads. Read ur bible too. I can't come n tell you D's is how it is and u accept. We can see 9 from different sides ..maybe 6 too.





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Yes I agree because the church is not meant for perfect people.... are there no questionable acts happening in ur church[/quote]

prof22:
They are in my church but I don't think a church should have more of these questionable characters. We are all humans no one is perfect but there are lots of wrongs in ur church at the moment. From pastors stopping peoples wedding because they want to match make to pastors who decided not to be married but can stop sisters from getting married because the guy is not from ur church and sisters living in single pastors house and lots more. and what's up with the "wanking" ain't a sin too... Come on the understanding of the bible is according to how holy spirit leads. Read ur bible too. I can't come n tell you D's is how it is and u accept. We can see 9 from different sides ..maybe 6 too.





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Yes I agree because the church is not meant for perfect people.... are there no questionable acts happening in ur church

But is it for you to judge or condemn Me I go to church and takes the one that benefits me and the ones that do not, I disregard it... and I'm not a fan of listening to gossips especially when it's church related for my own sake and salvation.... bcs of u follow the things that men do, u won't even follow Christ at all but thank God we are not followers of men but followers of Christ

prof22:
They are in my church but I don't think a church should have more of these questionable characters. We are all humans no one is perfect but there are lots of wrongs in ur church at the moment. From pastors stopping peoples wedding because they want to match make to pastors who decided not to be married but can stop sisters from getting married because the guy is not from ur church and sisters living in single pastors house and lots more. and what's up with the "wanking" ain't a sin too... Come on the understanding of the bible is according to how holy spirit leads. Read ur bible too. I can't come n tell you D's is how it is and u accept. We can see 9 from different sides ..maybe

Pastors don't matchmake, but they can annul engagements under certain scriptural precepts. Don't let worldly people like the OP fool you.

The Pastors do it under the unction so don't take their office for granted. They are Shepherds for a reason especially if you are submitted under their authority.

You could meet your Pastor and talk to him about who you want to marry, and by the leading of the spirit he could see things going south for you and warn you. Why would anyone who understands spiritual authority come here to disparage the workings of the spirit? Is that person talking for God? You be the judge.

Many years back Pastor Chris told a certain man God wanted him to be a Pastor. The man accepted it but later changed his mind after consulting his family members.

One year later, the man, who was at the time an MD of a bank, was unceremoniously fired and banned for life by the then CBN governor.

You can have whatever theories in your head as to why that happened. One thing is for sure, we cannot deny that God saw it coming and perhaps in his infinite wisdom knew the way that attack by the devil could have been forestalled but the man did not yield.

Many people's financial, spiritual and Physical lives have ended for marrying the wrong people. As for the rest of your post, I have addressed them before.

I don't know who to preach about marriage in ur church at the moment. You can't give what you don't have. Marriage is all about you and your spouse and God. Triangle. God is d only one permitted in that Union not a pastor. Its not about OP fooling anyone, I chose not to be an hypocrite and that's where d problem is. Say the truth if it hurts. The sheeps should crave for the life of the Shepherd. Can you crave for the life of yours at the moment?. I know you are smart and can decode everything here. We should say the truth. Don't edit it no matter how personal it looks. We Christians are the problems of revival. How good are you to your neighbours ? Can your ways of life bring someone to Christ? Its not about wealth, you can Be rich but your ways of life is not rich Read your Bible. Your church match make. I am experiencing the same. The last time God matched maked he was blamed (Adam & Eve...it is the woman you created for me ...) I know of a pastor in ur church in Lagos that's not married...and he's over 40. No experience about a home so he cannot morally say anything let alone counselling anyone...This is about physical experience not spiritual experience. You can't give what you don't have. Books cannot give u physical experience. It takes scars to show you were an accident victim at times ....
. I don't want to mention names but there are pastors of questionable characters that should not come out to say a thing at the moment. Don't be too spiritual to forget the physical we live in our physical body otherwise you could disappear, pick up ur phone without cards and make calls. Your church claims to know the WORD better please live by examples. The man that was sacked may not be because of the the calling. It may be it may be not, so many things are happening in the church and it is because we now look too much to our pastors. We don't need any intermediary to serve God. God will judge your belief in him not in your pastor. A lot will end up in hell because of just this reason.
#GetCloserToGod
#ReadYourBible







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Pastors don't matchmake, but they can annul engagements under certain scriptural precepts. Don't let worldly people like the OP fool you.

The Pastors do it under the unction so don't take their office for granted. They are Shepherds for a reason especially if you are submitted under their authority.

You could meet your Pastor and talk to him about who you want to marry, and by the leading of the spirit he could see things going south for you and warn you. Why would anyone who understands spiritual authority come here to disparage the workings of the spirit? Is that person talking for God? You be the judge.

Many years back Pastor Chris told a certain man God wanted him to be a Pastor. The man accepted it but later changed his mind after consulting his family members.

One year later, the man, who was at the time an MD of a bank, was unceremoniously fired and banned for life by the then CBN governor.

You can have whatever theories in your head as to why that happened. One thing is for sure, we cannot deny that God saw it coming and perhaps in his infinite wisdom knew the way that attack by the devil could have been forestalled but the man did not yield.

Many people's financial, spiritual and Physical lives have ended for marrying the wrong people. As for the rest of your post, I have addressed them before.[/quote]

I'm not judging I'm only making my views known which is personal. I don't think everything is rumour/gossip Even a club exist with that name so I think we should check every rumour and confirm if its real or not. Are you sure you are not followers of men ? I wish you could defend God like D's ...


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But is it for you to judge or condemn Me I go to church and takes the one that benefits me and the ones that do not, I disregard it... and I'm not a fan of listening to gossips especially when it's church related for my own sake and salvation.... bcs of u follow the things that men do, u won't even follow Christ at all but thank God we are not followers of men but followers of Christ [/quote]

prof22:
I'm not judging I'm only making my views known which is personal. I don't think everything is rumour/gossip Even a club exist with that name so I think we should check every rumour and confirm if its real or not. Are you sure you are not followers of men ? I wish you could defend God like D's ...


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But is it for you to judge or condemn Me I go to church and takes the one that benefits me and the ones that do not, I disregard it... and I'm not a fan of listening to gossips especially when it's church related for my own sake and salvation.... bcs of u follow the things that men do, u won't even follow Christ at all but thank God we are not followers of men but followers of Christ

Duhh!!! If I defend his church, who am I defending if not God!?? I'm in awe

You are not defending God. Masturbation in all ramifications is a sinful act. You may not be defending God if you fail to see and accept there are a lot of wrongs in your church at the moment. Can't you see the point here. Go and preach about marriage to anyone and mention your church.
No one is proud of it but some things are just so grossly upside down in your doctrines. Don't worship humans. Worship God. Don't make him a god he can never be ...

itsmeurLady:


Duhh!!! If I defend his church, who am I defending if not God!?? I'm in awe

Maestro21:


You are gabbling incoherently and patting yourself on the back. Is there a situation where LUSTING will not be a sin? Is there a situation where FORNICATING will not be a sin?

That is why God did not send you to help him categorize what is sin or not. He gave you the scriptures so you would follow it. But the brotherhood of spiritual detectives will not wait for his instructions. You carry on and put yourself in trouble.

Since I have presented you with situations where producing semen from a man's private organ does not involve lusting, unlawful sexual desires and the likes, please tell me the rationale in which masturbation should be a sin all the time?

I wish nairaland is a faced forum. That way we can know who we're replying. Please, can you masturbation while worshipping, or thinking of message preached in your Church today(if a spiritual message was preached)? Semen won't come out! You need to lust to gain erection (except you're married and need to be with your wife), you can get erection by watching porn( I won't be surprised if you say watching porn in itself is not bad-Christianity is taking a different shape). Maybe you are free to masturbation because the Bible didn't mention 'masturbation' but it's sexual sin, lust. Don't think you're too wise and sophisticated for God because you know little Greek meaning of some terms used in scripture. You need to be truly saved. If you feel masturbation is not a sin, then, I wonder what else you say is not Sin(then lie, cheating, quarrel, stealing, etc). Even people who are not Christians(muslims, juju worshippers) know. Even the devil knows. May you receive an encounter with God that will lead to your salvation.

prof22:
I don't know who to preach about marriage in ur church at the moment. You can't give what you don't have. Marriage is all about you and your spouse and God. Triangle. God is d only one permitted in that Union not a pastor. Its not about OP fooling anyone, I chose not to be an hypocrite and that's where d problem is. Say the truth if it hurts. The sheeps should crave for the life of the Shepherd. Can you crave for the life of yours at the moment?. I know you are smart and can decode everything here. We should say the truth. Don't edit it no matter how personal it looks. We Christians are the problems of revival. How good are you to your neighbours ? Can your ways of life bring someone to Christ? Its not about wealth, you can Be rich but your ways of life is not rich Read your Bible. Your church match make. I am experiencing the same. The last time God matched maked he was blamed (Adam & Eve...it is the woman you created for me ...) I know of a pastor in ur church in Lagos that's not married...and he's over 40. No experience about a home so he cannot morally say anything let alone counselling anyone...This is about physical experience not spiritual experience. You can't give what you don't have. Books cannot give u physical experience. It takes scars to show you were an accident victim at times ....
. I don't want to mention names but there are pastors of questionable characters that should not come out to say a thing at the moment. Don't be too spiritual to forget the physical we live in our physical body otherwise you could disappear, pick up ur phone without cards and make calls. Your church claims to know the WORD better please live by examples. The man that was sacked may not be because of the the calling. It may be it may be not, so many things are happening in the church and it is because we now look too much to our pastors. We don't need any intermediary to serve God. God will judge your belief in him not in your pastor. A lot will end up in hell because of just this reason.
#GetCloserToGod
#ReadYourBible

It is not hard to quote a post. It is a basic functionality of NL. I would think if I wanted to call myself a Prof, perhaps I would act like one sometimes.

I am guessing the Pope has no advice to give married couples seeing that he has no experience. Same goes for Paul and then Jesus. I told you, some people, through ITK have put themselves in trouble. They talk like they believe in God but when their utterances are filtered by God's word they come up short.

So what did Jesus mean when he said the Holy Spirit would teach us all things even things that are to come? Those things don't involve marriages?

I don't know where you worship but I can tell you are not well schooled in things of the spirit. When you are your own God, ofcourse, you can put your personal plans ahead of him and do what you please. But when Jesus becomes the lord of your life, you surrender all your plans to him and let him tell you what to do.

In that zone, you would know that your service to him comes first and foremost before any spouse. Perhaps, if Adam had known this, he would have obeyed God and not listened to Eve who was not there when God gave instructions to him.

So since you claim you can code things you may understand the parable I said right above and then you would understand why Pastor Chris' ministry is not like the man-made conventions you see around you. He told you people he is a Man of God, not a preacher. There is a big difference between the 2. While a preacher can afford to be his own master and boss, for a MOG, he has only one mindset: to follow the leading of the one who sent him. Let me not say more.

Marriage guidance is not available to all church members. It is only available to those who are committed and submitted to the leadership of their Pastor. Those who don't want it can change church like the OP. The Pastor is responsible for the well-being of those submitted under him including their marriages.

I saw you say things about the spiritual and I laughed hard. When you grow up you would know that life is TOTALLY dominated by the spiritual. Only fools think otherwise. Jacob ran away with nothing but the blessings Isaac gave to him yet Esau who stayed back with the father's earthly possessions ended up broke when compared to Jacob.

So that physical life you think you are not neglecting, you actually are, if your spiritual life is not setting the tone. It is not about knowing the word better but we are word practitioners to the point that your spirit would find no resting place in our midst if you do not have the same initiation.

That is where someone like the OP found himself and guess what? You are taking his side, not knowing he had been lost for years on in and has been looking for an opportunity to try to spiritualize his confusion and unbelief.

You say the man in my story may have been sacked not because of the calling he turned down so I hope you can make the same argument and say Ananias and Sapphira did not die because they lied to Peter. But I guess Pastors are not necessary and more people would not go to hell for breaking the rules of administration that God himself set in Hebrews 13:17.