₦airaland Forum

Joebie:
Which Nigerian's move to Belgium do you fancy most and why?

tbaba1234:
Onyekuru to Anderlecht champions league football.

BascoVanVeli:
No this is about the match against SA.

Joebie:
haven't we devoted a library of pages to it already?

BascoVanVeli:
It's not about pages devoted, it is about if we want to discuss about it or not and right now we do. It's a civil exchange no cause for alarm.

kennysville:
I read with amusement the various versions of Enyeama story. The reason many of us seem to be apologetic about this is because we kinda feel Enyeama deserves better. Yes enyeama was in mourning. Has anyone bothered to ask what he was doing in camp when the alleged altercation happened? I watched Oliseh's interview on youtube and the way i see it, it was a case of insubordination. We can sugar coat it anyway we like. Call oliseh names till kingdom come. But the truth is bitter. I watced enyeama's version of the story and from wat he said, he didnt like competion. He didnt even think there could be a threat in Ikeme until events started unfolding. He said he has his club career to protect and that he cannot be treated the way he was treated. And that was when I knew what the fuss was all about. Now Ikeme is ill and everyone suddenly remembers there is an Enyeama somewhere. Lets also understand that Oliseh is not the first coach that Enyeama has had bust ups with. It was even reported that he sabotaged Siasia during his stint as the super eagles coach by telling some players not to report to camp. I wanna ask a sincere question to all that how many of us will love to be ridiculed by subordinates or have one of your subordinates flout a direct order. Let us not forget that there are at least 170 million people in Nigeria. So to even be called to the national team is a priviledge. Its as good as looking for needles in haystack. Then we are supposed to be held to ransom? All this story about Oliseh man management skills and all that dont fly. And if NFF didnt back Oliseh then, he would av been using what we call borrowed power and this will make him all bark and no bite. No one is indispensable. That should be the message. For those who wanna take me on, please watch oliseh's interview and Enyeama's interview and judge for urself. Its all on youtube. Truth is there for all to see. To help answer the question i posted, I will not condone insubordination at any level. Especially if i am building something from ground up. You are either building with me or u are scattering. Plain and simple. Aint no middle ground.

kennysville:
I read with amusement the various versions of Enyeama story. The reason many of us seem to be apologetic about this is because we kinda feel Enyeama deserves better. Yes enyeama was in mourning. Has anyone bothered to ask what he was doing in camp when the alleged altercation happened? I watched Oliseh's interview on youtube and the way i see it, it was a case of insubordination. We can sugar coat it anyway we like. Call oliseh names till kingdom come. But the truth is bitter. I watced enyeama's version of the story and from wat he said, he didnt like competion. He didnt even think there could be a threat in Ikeme until events started unfolding. He said he has his club career to protect and that he cannot be treated the way he was treated. And that was when I knew what the fuss was all about. Now Ikeme is ill and everyone suddenly remembers there is an Enyeama somewhere. Lets also understand that Oliseh is not the first coach that Enyeama has had bust ups with. It was even reported that he sabotaged Siasia during his stint as the super eagles coach by telling some players not to report to camp. I wanna ask a sincere question to all that how many of us will love to be ridiculed by subordinates or have one of your subordinates flout a direct order. Let us not forget that there are at least 170 million people in Nigeria. So to even be called to the national team is a priviledge. Its as good as looking for needles in haystack. Then we are supposed to be held to ransom? All this story about Oliseh man management skills and all that dont fly. And if NFF didnt back Oliseh then, he would av been using what we call borrowed power and this will make him all bark and no bite. No one is indispensable. That should be the message. For those who wanna take me on, please watch oliseh's interview and Enyeama's interview and judge for urself. Its all on youtube. Truth is there for all to see. To help answer the question i posted, I will not condone insubordination at any level. Especially if i am building something from ground up. You are either building with me or u are scattering. Plain and simple. Aint no middle ground.

goldfish80:
I'm not saying Disu is a member of this thread oh, but some of his points in this interview is something some of us have been saying for awhile now. Rohr looks like a hardworking manager, the type that will follow print and electronic media reportage of his team.
In this regard we expect nessesary changes and adjustments when we face Cameroun.
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Disu warns Rohr on tactics against Cameroon



Tunde Disu, former Technical Director, Nigeria Football Federation (NFF), on Sunday warned Super Eagles coach Genort Rohr against wrong tactics against Cameroon in the Russia 2018 qualifiers on September 1.
Disu told the News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) in Lagos that the team’s tactical formation against South Africa in the AFCON qualifiers was wrong and should not be used again.
He said that the Eagles loss to Bafana Bafana in the AFCON qualifiers was due to wrong tactical formation, adding that the Indomitable Lions of Cameroon would be more tactical.
“The formation used by Rohr during the AFCON qualifier against South Africa is wrong tactics. He cannot use a supporting striker as an arrow head when using 4-3-3.
“Rohr should know that Kelechi Iheanacho cannot spearhead attack, that is not his role and that is why he is roaming about during the match against South Africa without a shot at goal.
“I want them to sit down and analyse the match themselves, that system is faulty because most teams can now predict the formation. If we use that selection and tactics, we will be embarrassed.
“Rohr should align with the modern tactics of play rather than stick with the old play which will not benefit us. We are too predictable now.
Disu said that the players at the disposal of Rohr were good enough to accommodate another formation which was less probable to opposing teams.
“We cannot continue to use the 4-3-3 formation, it’s outdated and counterproductive. We should rather play 4-2-3-1 which is far better for the defenders.
“The players determine the system and not the system that determines the players. It is better to have two defensive midfielders in front of the defenders, maybe if there is an overlapping one.
“Playing 4-3-2-1 formation also means that we need intimidating strikers like the late Rashidi Yekini to torment the opposing teams. We have Gbolahan Salami before but I don’t know if he is not called.
“The lone striker may be very tall and strong to hold the ball up as his midfielders while full-backs join him in attack. The striker could also be very fast.
“African soccer is more physical and there is need for us to have a strong striker in the manner of Salami that can torment the defence of our opponent,’’ he said.
Disu warned Rohr to be wary of Cameroon threat could pose to the Eagles’ qualification, adding that a loss to Indomitable Lions would close the qualification ticket.
“I want the coach to be careful with the Cameroonians so that they will not scuttle our chances; any defeat to them closes the qualification ticket.
“It does not matter where we are now because we won’t be begging Cameroon to lose any of their games after defeating us.
“The Indomitable Lions are in form now and they are using the modern formation. Rohr needs to change that formation or else we will be out of contention.
“To beat those indomitable Lions, a very good top 9 will be a good option and not necessarily to score goals but to torment the defence line and maybe to create chances for others,’’ he said
Disu said that other countries and clubs have been winning through the golden formation, noting that countries that had yet to play the style were lagging behind.
“I want to give the example between Spain national team and the Germans. The Germans are more tactical in their formation and are not playing false 9 like their Spanish counterparts.
“The golden formation continues to have the upper hands. In these cases, the opponent’s defense will be forced to fall back early, thereby leaving space for the offensive central midfielder.
“Rohr does not need to inject fresh blood into the team but play within what he has to achieve better results. We are blessed with players that can suit the golden formation.
“The coach should also have two options in which he can switch and Iheanacho should drop back for a strong striker for him to be effective,’’ he said.

https://m.guardian.ng/sport/disu-warns-rohr-on-tactics-against-cameroon/

tbaba1234:
You are looking for trouble. I remember talking about how poor Kelechi was against Algeria and my head was almost swallowed.

Kelechi's best games for Nigeria have come when he played behind the main striker. Playing him as a top man has not worked.

goldfish80:
Tunde Disu is another hater who aired his jaundiced opinion . You know the drill.

I reckon those making the defence that he wasn't given through balls, only watched the game highlights and not the match.
That is the only logical reason I can come up with.

Mickael2:
So when the service did not come what did he do as the 'world class' player he is? He didn't bring others into the game, that's the basic point here

TheGoodJoe:
Was Iheanacho given accurate through balls? Answer yes or no.

Icon79:
The answer's NO. Capital NO. And I did watch the match LIVE in full HD and on a 65 inch flat screen TV.

Our attack was impotent because there was no creativity, no movement and no penetration in the midfield. Take it from someone who knows, no striker in the world would've performed wonders playing in that situation.

O pari

TheGoodJoe:
Thank you. It is so basic. So I wonder all the long stories we are getting here. True no. 9, "Touch and go" etc.

Icon79:
Don't mind them, folks are just looking for an escape goat.

Like they say, when you lost a match, the guy who didn't play in that game becomes the best player in the world. All of a sudden folks start mentioning names likes of Ighalo and Ideye as our saviors. C'mon! You guys can't be serious!

O pari

TheGoodJoe:
Was Iheanacho given accurate through balls? Answer yes or no.

goldfish80:
Of course, just like we made an escape goat out of a goalkeeper who conceeded 2 goals through no direct fault of his, but leave the striker who couldn't muster a shot on target. Nigerians can be very amusing.

TheGoodJoe:
I did not understand what you are writing. Enyeama's problem was not Ikeme but Oliseh stripping him off his captain band. It was disrespectful, out of line and worse of all at a time when a National hero just laid his mother to Rest.

There is no defending this. Oliseh was wrong.

kennysville:
quite frankly, I dont expect you to understand what I wrote. Its all about deciding what ur position on the matter is. Bringing unrelated issue into the mix is something i want to comment on. Oliseh is nobody's stooge and hence did not carry out NFF's vendetta. Like i said earlier, watch the interviews on youtube then come outright and say Oliseh Lied on camera about the altercation. If i av the time, i will look for the links. But surely, its all on youtube.

Icon79:
Actually, the goalkeeper has some blame on both goals (not all the blames but some of them) especially on the second goal.

First he hesitated before coming out to challenge the SA player. And once you come out, as the last man in the defense, you should allow the player any free pass ... he should've fouled the player even if it means taking a red card (for denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity) for the team. The game was almost over, we can play with the 10 men for the rest of the game....just let SA take a free kick instead of scoring into an empty net.


O pari

goldfish80:
You want to chop off Akpeyi's head for failing to make a clearance just few centimeters from half way line. If Vincente Enyeama or Kal Ikeme was in goal, can you bet your house that they would have been able to make such clearance at the half way line?
Oh you want to punish him for not diving in to make a rugby tackle to stop the opponent ? Its just like wishing for defenders to break Lionel Messi's leg to stop him from scoring. Do you know what fair play means?

I agree Akpeyi's ball handling fell short. I saw him drop a couple of balls carelessly, but to blame him for those goals is tantamount to giving a dog a bad name just to hang it.

TheGoodJoe:
Icon79 is right in this instance. It would have made more sense for Akpeyi to foul the South African and collect the red card to keep us in the game than allow him run free to get the knockout goal.

This is plain football sense, not chopping head off.

BascoVanVeli:
Moses didn't hold up anything for Pete sake the boy tapped a loose ball to Nacho. It still depends on the passing all the same. If the ball doesn't make it to his area then how does he hold the ball up?

Mickael2:
watch the game again, Moses was shielding the ball from 2 SA defenders I think, then tapped the ball to Nacho who tapped it to Etebo.

Passing to a target man is easier than trying to play defence splitting passes obviously, it wouldn't have been difficult for them to do

goldfish80:
He did his best. If you rewatch that incident, you will find out that the South African guy was extremely fast,a substitute with fresh pair of legs.
Akpeyi actually tried to foul him but he was just too fast. As a matter of fact, Akepyi or no Akpeyi, 98% of goalkeepers in the world wouldn't stand any chance whatsoever in catching South African guy in such senerio..

What peplexis me is why Nigerians want to kill Akpeyi because he didn't go all the way to hack down the South African. Since I started following football, this will be the first time I have witnessed a player getting so much stick for not getting hacking someone down illegally.

Joebie:
Which Nigerian's move to Belgium do you fancy most and why?

zicky:
Moses shield 2 players and Nacho shield no one only tapped the ball to Etebo, guy fear god.
Bros which is more efficient, lobbing the ball to a target man or playing a defence splitting pass

Mickael2:
So when the service did not come what did he do as the 'world class' player he is? He didn't bring others into the game, that's the basic point here

zicky:
Moses shield 2 players and Nacho shield no one only tapped the ball to Etebo, guy fear god.
Bros which is more efficient, lobbing the ball to a target man or playing a defence splitting pass

TheGoodJoe:
No one wants to kill Akpeyi. It was you who tried to make it look as if fouling the South African was wrong. That was the right option. You can say he tried but do not make it look like if Akpeyi was not to take down the man. From my view the keeper did not do enough.