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Blitzerz:
Wow,
Germany is atheist country?

Nothing we no go hear.

Martinez19:
I meant to say that religion is not rampant in Germany, particularly in the eastern part of Germany. there are still christians though.

Doctufos: Otem Erectus 86: 20-21

20. And the king said, it is a curse, for I was cursed. And Ozezami said, no curse can work on its own except nature brings a coincidence with it. For I see that your sickness came through the sex which you had with Oyiza the sick one herself. And it was not manifested until after the curse. So everyone thinks that it is the curse and not the sex which you had with the sick one.
21. Now Ozezami took the herbs and gave it to the king. And when he continually took it for a space of three months, he was totally cured.

Blitzerz:
Hmmmmmmm

Religion in Germany (Wikipedia)
Christianity is the largest religion in Germany, at an estimated 59.4% of the country's population in 2015.[1] The two largest churches of the country are the Roman Catholic Church and the Evangelical Church in Germany (EKD), a Protestant confederation of United Protestant (Lutheran & Reformed), Lutheran, and Reformed churches. Together, both churches claim 56% of the population in 2015, of which 28.9% belonged to the Catholic Church and 27.1% to the Evangelical Church.[1] In 2015, the Orthodox Church constituted 2% of the population and other minor Christian churches, many of them being Evangelical Protestant, formed 1.5%.[2]

About 35% of the country's population are not affiliated with any church or religion, and a minority adhere to other religions.[3][2] The second largest religion in Germany is Islam, with between 2.1 and 4.7 million adherents (2.6% to 5.7%).[3][2] Smaller religious groups (less than 1%) include Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism.[3][2]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany


I hope You can say that again!

Martinez19:
I didn't really check on the issue of Germany. But eastern Germany has atheism to be rampant. Let's leave that aside, what do you have to contribute to the topic, do you think Germany won the world cup because of God? What is your take on coincidence.

Blitzerz:
So we should leave it aside. Hmmmm
You don't check on things before writing. Thats the lesson.

Martinez19:
Muy uncle who lives in Germany told me that they don't take religion seriously. The fact about Germany is the only error I made in the topic out of careless. This is rare of me. Don't escape the topic, what is your take on the coincidence issue?

Blitzerz:
If I didn't expose u, u wont admit it was an error. U were already sliding, from atheist country to religion rampant to east Germany etc.....
So also the remaining parts of your write up.

I will not want to prolong the talk, because your definition of Coincidence is flawed already. To the typical German man who doesn't speak English, Germany is not even spelt with 7 letters.
So your write up, is based from an English perspective which is myopic in its sense.
The whole thing is flawed.

Martinez19:
Go check it on Google, atheism is rampant in eastern Germany. When I said Germany was an atheist country, I meant a large part of the population. This idea was what I was fed by my uncle who lives in Germany. As it turns out majority are christians but in eastern Germany, atheism is rampant.

You are trying to take advantage of this error to rubbish my talk on coincidence. How cunning. I repeat all my claims in my opening post are well researched except what I said about Germany. I dear you to prove me wrong.

I know your trick, don't capitalise on that error to rubbish my post because apart from that error, the claims I made are well researched. Prove me wrong. How cunning of you to do such because you want to hang on to your delusion.

Accept the fact, what I said about coincidence is true. Na me send English message to give Germany it's seven lettered name? Don't run away from the topic

Blitzerz:
Well researched indeed.
Anything you want to ride with. Continue

Martinez19:
lol, that proves my point. You don't want your illusion destroyed so you are taking advantage of any loop hole to tear the topic down. I ask, apart from that Germany's error, prove that the rest too are not well researched. I gave you a reason why I made the error but you won't see it because your illusion must not be destroyed. You quoted that out of context. How cunning of you. Smh.

Whether you like it or not, I have your time this evening. What I said on coincidence is true. Now, disappoint me by coming to the main issue of coincidence instead of escaping.

I am not running anywhere.

Blitzerz:
The only illusion was the lie that "Germany was atheist country" which you told.
And I guess Its football score that you "well researched"?
hmmm

Martinez19:
Coincidence can be astonishing. Coincidence is never planned and more damaging is the fact that christians and other religious folks take coincidence to be the act of God. Coincidence will always occur and as I have said can be astonishing. Before I continue, let's look at some of the most astonishing coincidences

1) G is the 7th letter of the alphabet, G for Germany.
Germany has seven letters. Germany was in the 7th
group of the world cup played in July(7th month).
They ended the group stage with 7 points, against
Brazil, they scored seven goals. They won the world
cup.

2) Mrs Violet Jesse survived the sinking of the Titanic
and Britannic. She also survived the collision
Olympic and Hawke. She was a catholic, other
religious folks died in that encounter o. The church
collapse in uyo had christians die horribly.

If Nigeria were Germany in that world cup, you know what the religious folks, who believe in 7 being a number of perfection, would say. Coincidence could be your team winning when you prayed but don't forget that some else prayed for the opposition team .
Don't forget that atheists and christians have all fallen from tall buildings at survived. Who are we to thank?

REASON WHY COINCIDENCE HAPPENS
1) It happens because a lot of humans have lived in the past, with different environments and in different scenarios such that all most all possible ways one can live his life has been played out.
2) coincidence that looks like a trend or follow a particular pattern is due to a person living in the same environment which others lived in before him and likely with similar purpose as them.

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ScienceWatch:
It is interesting to note that you did not mention the coincidental belief of your modern prophet of Atheism. Your prophet Richard Dawkins preach that life evolved from the coincidental collision of two planets that when out of orbit - The BIG BANG.

Okay, I really do hate it when any Dick and Harry comes out and define the big bang how he/she wants to. Foe goodness sake the big bang brought about the planets. How then could 2 planets collision bring about the big bang I also heard one religious folk say that the big bang was when something from the cloud fell and brought all life forms. WTF!!! And honestly dude I doubt Richard Dawkins said that. I mean he is a prof of evolutionary biology men, give him some respect in his field. He has been studying this stuff for decades and I doubt u have ever entered a biology class before.
BTW the big bang did not bring life. Evolution did.

Could you shed more light on this disturbing Coincidence for us, we notice that the Sun and the Moon plays a vital role in the survival of life on earth. Scientist say that if the Sun or the Moon was not on exactly where it is, LIFE WOULD NOT EXIST ON THIS PLANET.
Wow. what a coincidence !! The accidental BIG BANG has produced many coincidental marvels.

ValentineMary:
Okay, I really do hate it when any Dick and Harry comes out and define the big bang how he/she wants to. Foe goodness sake the big bang brought about the planets. How then could 2 planets collision bring about the big bang I also heard one religious folk say that the big bang was when something from the cloud fell and brought all life forms. WTF!!! And honestly dude I doubt Richard Dawkins said that. I mean he is a prof of evolutionary biology men, give him some respect in his field. He has been studying this stuff for decades and I doubt u have ever entered a biology class before.
BTW the big bang did not bring life. Evolution did.

Seriously dude I thought this topic has been trashed by nairalanders a long time ago? let me explain something, we adopted to these conditions.If the Sun was farther than it is now, a different life form would evolve that would adapt to it with different physiology and anatomy different from what we have now.
Let me give u an eg. In the Mariana trench which is the deepest point on earth found in the Pacific, it is expected that no life form can survive such pressure.Any organism there would not survive and moreover there would be little or no diffused oxygen. But guess what? when researchers went there on a submarine, they found fishes that adapted to the harsh conditions there. Is this coincidence, I don't think so. it's adaptation.

ScienceWatch:
Who is this ? My mention was addressed to Martinez19 !! But I like your take on what would happen if the sun was farther away. Mmmm interesting !! So could Evolution bring life independent of the Atheists BIG BANG ? Are you saying that the BIG BANG is the result of nothing banging into nothing to produce the planets?

And what do you think would have happened if as a coincidental result of this BIG BANG, the Sun had to set in the North and the Moon was 3000km farther than it is now ?

Atheists believe that the ACCIDENTAL BIG BANG with all its random life forms are too primitive to associate it with an intelligent creator.

ValentineMary:
First of all, the big bang or evolution is not an atheist thing. The big bang was even proposed by a catholic priest. And the big bang is not nothing to something, it's the expansion space and energy from a singularity which is an infinitely dense point that is zero dimensional. Evolution makes use of the molecules brought about from the condensation of energy from the big bang to bring life that can replicate so the big bang is independent of evolution but evolution is not independent of the big bang.

And if the Sun and moon were not to be in it's position, and water could be found on earth not withstanding, life would simply adapt to meet such conditions. Evolution is about adaptation and survival of the fittest.
The universe can't be the work of an intelligent being intended for human when 99.999% of the universe would immediately kill us, it only shows that we adapted to this earth's condition. If we leave earth without a space suit, we would melt due to the little atmospheric pressure.

Martinez19:
Under no condition should we attribute coincidence to a God somewhere. If you do, you are in for a long thing.

ScienceWatch:
Interesting !! I mean the proof that all life came from a singularity, which is an infinitely dense point that is zero dimensional.

These facts make me feel better about myself. my best friends call me dense. But knowing that a zero dimensional dense point is a Singularity make me an exception.

Evolution cleverly uses the molecules that it takes from the BIG BANG to produce this variety of life. But I battle to understand why this awesome Singularity imprinted humans with finger-prints and DNA ?

ValentineMary:
The reason behind the finger print is not fully understood yet. Some researchers think it was an evolutionary mechanism to make our ancestors better adapted for climbing and holding rough things. But that should not give us reason to call on the God of the gaps here even in the DNA whose origin has not been fully outlined even though certain evidences in primitive animals show us the gradual evolution and modification that evolution carried out on the DNA. If we keep employing God in our ignorance, why then should we carry out research or study since everything we don't already know, God did it?

ScienceWatch:
Evolusion's intelligence is awesome. For example, if finger-prints was an evolutionary mechanism to make us better adapted for climbing and holding rough things and each person on the planet have different finger-prints, was Evolutions intention that each person will hold things and climb in a million different ways?

If DNA clearly identify an individual, This proves that Evolution is smarter than we believe. Evolution provided the most powerful mechanism for crime fighting. Could this infinitely dense point that birthed Evolution also be the source of the Spiritual concept of JUSTICE?

ValentineMary:
Of course it does not intend every human or ape that also have finger prints hold things in different ways.Neither does it intend for plants to pass nutrients in different ways just because all leaves have different arrangements of network. Humans tend to see things in pattern and we can really be innovative in using this to fight crime even if does not fit a pattern, we also use this mismatch to the best of our benefit just like in the case of fingerprints.
The concept of justice is highly subjective based on the individual exposure or experience. eg some people think jungle justice is real justice, others think otherwise. Some people think a progressive tax system is real justice while others think its a regressive tax system. We are the birth of our definition of justice.

ScienceWatch:
Therefore Darwins Singularity had incredible inherent intelligence and foresight. It accurately chose the correct molecules from the BIG BANG to create the vastly different properties of the Sun and the Moon to enable the future survival of what ever will evolve from it's other random pickings of molecules.

At what point did Evolution decide to provide all the foods with its complex vitamins and minerals etc for the effective survival of life forms.

Could the complex vitamins be merely the result of coincidence ?

ValentineMary:
Let me break it down once more. Evolution is a process to ensure survival. For the formation of biological molecules, we would have to understand pre biotic chemistry. And mind you when I say the big bang created these molecules, I mean it in a passive way. All matter is from the big bang but the molecules needed for life are formed in the stars by nuclear fusion. That's why the most abundant molecule in the stars are the most abundant molecules in life. They are released during a super nova.
And for food, we adapted via keeping our body in homeostasis, thus taking in energy which are found in other molecules. So we adapted to ingesting these molecules and deriving energy from it. Molecules that could not be easily metabolized by our body chemistry are what we know now as unfit for food. eg stones. That's why primitive organisms are found in vent region with dissolved or melted minerals.