SeanT21:

There has been alot of debate regarding those 2 phrases.Some believe that God Gives and Takes Away while others believe that God gives and Satan takes away. I remember my ex-pastor saying that God Gives and Takes Away and half of the church had a strange look on their faces.

Whats ur opinion this??

davidylan:

perhaps because they've never read their bibles.

davidylan:

perhaps because they've never read their bibles.

Krayola2:

Don't u think that is maybe oversimplifying things. You can't just dismiss everyone with a different view as having "never read their bible". It almost seems u claim to be some kind of final authority on all things related to Christianity.

Can u please tell us what the Devil's job description is?

SeanT21:


There has been a lot of debate regarding those 2 phrases.

Some believe that God Gives and Takes Away while others believe that God gives and Satan takes away.

I remember my ex-pastor saying that God Gives and Takes Away

and half of the church had a strange look on their faces.

Whats ur opinion this??

@SeanT21

- SeanT21 ^{Hey long time . . .}  

C'mon now, bet you know this is disguised discriminate (i.e. "I am a victim" line of reasoning

There's more to this innocently looking & seemingly meaningful assertion . . .

God's original intention is/was to give and to give whatever it is, for life (i.e. have it for ever)

The taking away has nothing to do with God or satan 

But check this out . . .

If God gives, and one receives with one hand

only to hand it out with the other hand

Trust me, satan is on standby "since yesterday"

If what's given is handed over to satan

satan is ready and willingly happy to take it off one's hand and scamper away with it

This whole thing about "taking away",  it aint half got na-da to do with God

God?! Give and take away?!! Why would he want to do a thing like that for

I'll tell ya how it all started . . .

Let start with asking Adam questions about his date with God

and about after the date, who took away the original mandate God gave him . . .

He probably wouldnt be keen volunteering the information

likely cos its an embrassing question & it brings back bad memories

but he certainly might point fingers

- yeah, two at satan and three at himself ^{Notice, none at God}

Brein:


It varies on what context u meant it.

If u mean as in God giving Life and satan taking it,

I'd rather say it is appointed unto man, once to die and after that judgment follows . . . 

In other words 'God gives and he takes back after the fulfillment of what he gave (life).

In anyways, I should broaden ur horizon in the God giving and satan taking scene.

If God gives u a particular valued possession or gift/talent or LiFE

and its not well used as he (GOD) so expect then he leaves u up to ur fate

which can be seemingly categories as "God's Own Perfect Will and Human's Own Permissive Will"

once we as human cannot or do not value God's perfect will

then he leaves us to our permissive will, of which the devil has a big access into.

I hope this helps. Sorry 4 me bad engrish, i was driving  when typing . .

@Brein

- Brein

Nice submission 

Typing whilst driving?

Tut-tut-tut You dont half take risks do ya?,

You should know better to park or give the driving your full attention

Brein hey check this out:

If I say "Hey here's a bird. Keep it as a pet, look after it, it's yours for keeps"

and I also say "Do whatever you like with it but do not let go off the string attached to the bird's leg . . . "

Now Brein quick question please:

If you let go of the string and the bird bolts and flies

Will you turn around pointing fingers at me

that cos you chose your Permissive Will over my Perfect Will I then took the bird away (i.e. back from you)

No! You wouldnt because it was you that let go of the string in the first instance . . . aint that so?

As I earlier mentioned, God gives, and when God gives it literally for keeps (i.e. for ever)

Now if one wants to squander, rubbish, abuse, not value etc the gift (e.g. life, fruit of the womb, physical prowess, position etc)

then there are costs and consequences  (i.e. a price of loss)

God isnt taking them back, he doesnt need them, it's just the way the cookie crumbles . . .

Check out this verse about the issue of life that you brought up

Genesis 2:9, 16 & 17 Contemporary English Version:


⁹The LORD God placed all kinds of beautiful trees and fruit trees in the garden.
Two other trees were in the middle of the garden.
One of the trees gave life--the other gave the power to know the difference between right and wrong.

¹⁶[/b]But the LORD told him, "You may [b]eat [/b]fruit from [b]any tree in the garden,

¹⁷except the one that has the power to let you know the difference between right and wrong.
If you eat any fruit from that tree, you will die before the day is over!"

Proxy Eve, Adam was a risk taker but his gamble didnt pay off as expected

It's not easy making decisions you know,

on hindsight he probably thought "I shouldn't have jumped the gun . . .

Should have waited until am able to be trusted with the responsiblity of making decisions and standing by them"

Anyway the rest is his story history . . .

The legacy is that satani is on the neighbourhood watch prowl

ready and waiting to pick up or take away what one doesnt value

dare I say, even life

am not 

babaearly:

Me i wonder for am sef.

When Jesus said he came to give life and life more abundantly what did he mean?
give us proof in the bible that God takes away human life through death.