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| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Babacele: 2:12pm On Jul 24, 2017 |
brocab:what Bible did Abraham read or scriptures that Moses read before God revealed Himself to them? Quote any portion of the bible to disprove me as you wont to. Salvation comes through Lord Jesus not through any scripture . Jesus is the word and not the Torah or anybody's impression about God including politics and biases. Jesus is the ultimate despite all the inspired books. Truth must be told nomater how bitter ,Jesus said " you were told of old an eye for eye " - meaning it is written in your scripture - but " I am telling you now No, turn the other cheek" . Same thing played out when the crowd practicing sharia wanted to stone the adulterous woman to death while flaunting the scriptural law from Moses which was clearly biased against women but Jesus said No , and said ' Moses gave you the laws according to the hardiness of your hearts ' after upbraiding them about sin and all left in their shame. . Jesus said when I go, I will send you the holy spirit to guide you on all I have thought you , and not to go and read the Torah. Paul too said if the old was perfect ,there would nt have been need for the Good News. Christ is the perfect word of God: the author and finisher of our faiths. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Babacele: 2:15pm On Jul 24, 2017 |
johnw74:in short are you saying the bible is the same as Jesus? |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:51pm On Jul 24, 2017 |
emmanuelex1:LOL |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Ubenedictus(m): 7:58pm On Jul 24, 2017 |
brocab:if u are uncomfortable with father, then call him sir, mr... or whatever polite way u know. he won't mind. If I was to quote the bible to him-would he understand it fully?he will be happy if u quote scriptures, very important. he will also agree that u are a priest. every xtian is a priest. If I told him-the Word said: he must repent, would he agree with me?he will remind u that the life of a christian involve continous repentance, to die daily. he will discus ur concerns. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:45pm On Jul 24, 2017 |
brocab:Stop telling lies, tyndale was killed in anglican england under king henry the founder of anglicanism. why do u think tyndale got his manuscripts from? |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Ubenedictus(m): 8:56pm On Jul 24, 2017 |
brocab:I guess ur new testament is also pagan since the catholic church compiled its canon. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:37pm On Jul 24, 2017 |
Its good to hear you are back Uben-at least I may get some sense out from you, not like these other Catholic's who haven't half the brain you have. Uben not only my N/T but for all who chooses to believe, N/T O/T is all the same Uben O/T tells of the coming of Jesus-and the N/T Jesus arrives. Don't forget Jesus always quoted O/T scriptures, and the N/T was written after Jesus-by inspired men filled with the Holy Spirit. Ubenedictus: |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:11pm On Jul 24, 2017*. Modified: 9:53am On Jul 25, 2017 |
People just need to find history Uben-History doesn't tell lies. Tyndale dedicated his life from translating the bible into vernacular English, so the laypeople of England could read it for themselves, This was not expressly against the rules, as mentioned, but Tyndale could not get anyone in the Catholic Church to help him with room and board. Everyone was uncomfortable with the bible being reality accessible to the commoners, "because how could the Church then keep power" Not to be deterred Tyndale went into hiding in Belgium and Germany, evading capture while he translated the New Testament, finishing it in 1525 It was printed en-masse and smuggled all over Europe, especially into England, "Where the Catholic's in charged burned a number of them in public" Tyndale also finished the Old Testament in 1530 Tyndale was finely caught after some help from a backstabbing so call friend, name Henry Philips. Tyndale was charged with heresy-for no other reason but translating the bible into the English Language, Tyndale was strangled and burned to the stake-by the Catholic Church On the 6 Oct 1536 In Vilvoorde, outside Brussels, the Catholic Church had never apologised. So what had Tyndale done in His translations that was so heretical? Tyndale had translated the Greek word for "elder' as elder" instead of priest" He had translated the Greek word for, "Congregation' as congregation instead of Church" and the Greek word for "Repentance" as 'repentance" in stead of penance" Why were such difference important to the Church? The Roman Catholic Church have priest not elders" A congregation implies a locally autonomous of believers guided by the Holy Spirit, 'And not a hierarchical unified subject to the Pope. The Roman Catholic Church is built on penance and indulgence to the priest and Church, not repentance to, and forgiveness from God. {See Martin Luther's 95 These on indulgence, the debate that sparked the Reformation} in trying to render the Greek into English, Tyndale's translations exposed the errors of the Catholic Church to the people, which quickly brought the wrath of the Church down on Him.. Uben it is easy to find who murdered Tyndale-and why? We just can't hide History, Like you can.. Ubenedictus: |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:34am On Jul 25, 2017*. Modified: 4:08am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Babacele:The bible was written by men by inspiration of God: 2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Babacele:i c, God inspired mistakes in the Holy Scriptures, u haven't a clue. But deliberate changes have been made since then, in the nwt for one, and then there are others who go against the message of the Bible such as rcc who pray to Mary and others, and who say that Mary a human is divinity. Babacele:u abas say the Word of God was made, and was made after the torah  it's amazing watching the confusion of u Bible haters Babacele:Is someone trying to replace Jesus with the Bible? Babacele:The Holy scriptures were once not called the Bible, so what does that matter? today we call the Holy, God Inspired Scriptures, The Bible |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:40am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Babacele:how is that in answer to my post? johnw74: |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:46am On Jul 25, 2017*. Modified: 6:27am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Babacele:Of course a ridiculous question from u baba, the Bible is God's Holy Inspired Scriptures, Jesus is a person-the Saviour of the World There is a difference between "God's word", the things God said and "God's Word" who is God one is God's words, the other is God Himself God and the Word is God but the phrase "word of God" is in nearly all cases referring to the God inspired words that he spoke to and through His Prophets God didn't appear to many men in the Bible but very many times the "word of God" came to man saying.... 1Ch 22:8 But the "word of the LORD"(God) came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight. "word" there is not referring to God but to a matter of God, to words of God "word" in that verse comes from the Hebrew DaBaR which means: word H1697 דָּבָר dâbâr daw-bawr' From H1696; a word; by implication a matter (as spoken of) saying, sentence, somewhat to say, speech, X spoken, talk, thought, Total KJV occurrences: 1438 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 2:50am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Babacele:Christ is the author and finisher of the "one faith", not of multible faiths, which leaves the rcc and other churches of heresy, cults and sects etc. out Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit. In the same way you were called to share one hope. Eph 4:5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, there is one body(the True Church) who r those who pray to God, and not to idols and others, u r not part of it there is one Spirit, who lives in the body's of True Bible believers, u do not have Him there is one hope, the hope of salvation through Faith in the Christ of the Bible, u do not have it there is one Lord, the Lord of all the Father have given Him, He is not your Lord there is one faith, the faith given by God to believers through knowing the true Christ there is one baptism, it is by immersion for the true Church(body of Christ) and not by sprinkling of water as with some pagans 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 3:17am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Ubenedictus:If the rcc collected the Holy Scriptures and put them together into a book, so what many others have done the same, the rcc didn't write those scriptures, as didn't the others, they were in existance for thousand's of years Did the Roman Catholic church give us our Bible? Roman Catholics often say that it was their church that gave us the Bible. They sometimes claim this when defending their "Sacred Tradition," so that they might support extra-biblical teachings such as purgatory, penance, indulgences, and Mary worship. They often say the only way the Christian church knew what books are to be included in the Canon of Scripture was because it was revealed by word-of-mouth in the early church, that is, by the tradition of the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, this argument implies that tradition is superior to Scripture. Of course, we are not saying that the Roman Catholic church teaches that tradition is above Scripture. But when Sacred Tradition is claimed to be the thing by which Scripture is given, then tradition is inadvertently the thing that gives blessing and approval to the Bible. Heb. 7:7 says, "But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater." The unfortunate psychological effect of saying that Roman Catholic tradition is what gave us the Bible is that it elevates their tradition to a level far greater than what is permitted in Scripture. In fact, it is contradicted by scripture: 1 Cor. 4:6, "Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written, in order that no one of you might become arrogant in behalf of one against the other." The Bible tells us to obey the Word of God--to not go beyond the written Word (1 Cor. 4:6). Unfortunately, the problem with an elevated status of Roman Catholic church tradition is that it results in various justifications of its non-biblical teachings such as prayer to Mary, purgatory, indulgences, penance, works of righteousness, etc. Because it has deviated from trusting God's Word alone, it has ventured into unscriptural areas. Nevertheless, did the Roman Catholic Church give us the Bible? No, it did not. First of all, the Roman Catholic Church was not really around as an organization in the first couple hundred years of the Christian Church. The Christian church was under persecution, and official church gatherings were very risky in the Roman Empire due to the persecution. Catholicism, as an organization with a central figure located in Rome, did not occur for quite some time in spite of its claim they can trace the papacy back to Peter. Second, the Christian Church recognized what was Scripture. It did not establish it. This is a very important point. The Christian Church recognizes what God has inspired and pronounces that recognition. In other words, it discovers what is already authentic. Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice and they follow me . . . " (John 10:27). The church hears the voice of Christ; that is, it recognizes what is inspired, and it follows the word. It does not add to it as the Roman Catholic Church has done. Therefore, it is not following the voice of Christ. Third, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament which is the Scripture to which Christ and the apostles appealed. If the Roman Catholic Church wants to state that it gave us the Bible, then how can they rightfully claim to have given us the Old Testament which is part of the Bible? It didn't, so it cannot make that claim. The fact is that the followers of God, the true followers of God, recognize what is and is not inspired. Fourth, when the apostles wrote the New Testament documents, they were inspired by the power of the Holy Spirit. There wasn't any real issue of whether or not they were authentic. Their writings did not need to be deemed worthy of inclusion in the Canon of Scripture by a later group of men in the so-called Roman Catholic Church. To make such a claim is, in effect, to usurp the natural power and authority of God himself that worked through the Apostles. Fifth, the Scripture says, "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." (2 Pet. 1:20-21). The Bible tells us that the Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the very nature of the inspired documents is that they carry power and authenticity in themselves. They are not given the power or the authenticity of ecclesiastical declaration. Conclusion The Christian church, as an earthly organization, recognized the Word of God (John 10:27). It didn't give us the Word of God. Also, it was the Jews who gave us the Old Testament. The authenticity of the New Testament documents rests in the inspiration of God through the apostles--not the Catholic Church. Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the Old Testament. The Jews did. How can the RCC claim it gave us the Bible when it did not give us the Old Testament? Finally, when the Catholic Church claims that it is the source of the sacred Scriptures, it is, in effect, placing itself above the word of God by claiming that through its authority we received the word of God. by Matt Slick Did the Roman Catholic church give us our Bible? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Babacele: 5:58am On Jul 25, 2017 |
johnw74:in your bid to unleash hade on the rock- the catholic church ,you went to some funny history on how the Catholic church borrowed the Mary mother concept from the Egyptian myths ,and said there are so many Christian and world concepts taken from Egypt : the concept of 1 God, the idea of son of God, raising of Jesus and Moses in Egypt and even the birthing of the New Testament by St Augustine in Egypt and many more . So what are you saying? |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 6:49am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Babacele:r u referring to the history article on the origin of the rcc? it is true hitory, u should read it again, is st. augustine mentioned there? me thinks u r mixing up what different people have posted, your confusion comes from hating God's inspired Holy Scriptures-the Bible u haven't posted the foul words this pentecostal used,  2 more points of confusion there |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Babacele: 6:53am On Jul 25, 2017 |
johnw74:including the killing of innocent women and children e.g deut1: 1-17? |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 7:15am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Babacele:Is there the killing of innocent women and children in Deut 1:1-17? or is this your continual confusion? is anyone innocent except the Lord Jesus Christ? don't we all have sin passed down from Adam and Eve? If God told whoever to kill all the women and children wherever, then what God say's is correct. u baba don't believe God's inspired Holy Scriptures, and u baba put yourself above God by implying he was wrong, or that His Inspired scriptures are wrong. u obviously don't believe the Bible or God, but you believe the uninspired rcc teachings and men. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by orisa37: 7:38am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Do you know what The Staff of Moses, The Scarf of Elijah and The Sceptre of Righteousness, all mean in Christianity? The Virgin Mary is and The Rosary is her symbol of communication with The Holy Spirit. Mary is The Mother of Saints and much more than a Saint. Mary is The Supreme Goddess in Christianity, The Righteous. 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 7:45am On Jul 25, 2017 |
^^^ sounds like a typical believe anything unbibical rc 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Babacele: 8:29am On Jul 25, 2017 |
johnw74:it is obvious you don't know this religion, its history and evolution and the opportunity for redemption as brought by our Lord Jesus Christ. God does not change and does not contradict Himself . He is the same today ,yesterday and tomorrow. Hence Christ said Moses (exigencies not God) gave you the laws e .g the stoning of women to death-sharia-because of the hardiness of your hearts. By what you wrote above supporting Sharia and Daesh, it is obvious the religion you practice which is quite opposite Christ (the word of God) teaching of Love. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 9:25am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Babacele:I never wrote anything supporting Sharia and Daesh, but lying and accusing comes naturally to you baba, my support was only for God and anything He has said and done: johnw74:u baba, said deut 1:1-17 was about the killing of innocent women and children, u r confused continually, oh lying accuser |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:33am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Mary is the supreme goddess only to the Catholic's. orisa37: 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 9:44am On Jul 25, 2017 |
baba, according to rcc itself, u r not going to Heaven Dear Catholic, do you know for sure if you are going to heaven? If you're a Catholic, do you know for sure if you are going to heaven when you die? As a Protestant, I can say that I know I am going to heaven. This isn't arrogance. It is confidence in the work of Christ and not my own work. It is confidence in the ability of Jesus to save me completely, to have fulfilled all of the Law perfectly, and to have cleansed me from my sin totally. Therefore, because all my hope and trust are in him and not what I can do, I know I am going to heaven. If my salvation depended on my goodness and abilities in any way, then I can't have any confidence that I will make it to heaven because I am an imperfect sinner. But God is perfect and requires holiness (1 Pet. 1:16). This is why God provided Jesus who fulfilled the Law (Matt. 5:17), including loving God (Deut. 6:5) and loving your neighbor (Lev. 19:18). In other words, Jesus did everything that is necessary for us to do. This is why we should trust Jesus alone and not Jesus and our goodness or Jesus and our church or Jesus and our ability to love God and our neighbor. But, what about you? Do you have that confidence? If not, perhaps it is because of the requirements that the Roman Catholic Church has stated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. “The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 1257). “Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 846). “This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn,” (CCC 980). “The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation, (CCC 1129). “Service of and witness to the faith are necessary for salvation,” (CCC 1816). “The authority of the Magisterium extends also to the specific precepts of the natural law [i.e., 10 Commandments, CCC 2070], because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation,” (CCC 2036). Are you as a Catholic able to keep all the requirements that the Roman Catholic Church says are necessary for salvation? We both know you can't. Are you sincere, and do you go to confession? If you go to confession, then that means you are not keeping the law perfectly; otherwise, you would not need to go to confession. So, the very fact that you go to confession demonstrates you're not able to live up to the standard of God's requirement. But since the Roman Catholic Church says you are to keep the Law to be saved, please consider this: Gal. 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law.'” James 2:10, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." God's standard is perfect. We are not. This is why we need to trust Jesus alone, so that we are justified by faith. What about you? Are you doing that? Or, are you trusting in Jesus and your ability to keep the Law? Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law." Rom. 4:1-5, "What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." by Matt Slick Dear Catholic, do you know for sure if you are going to heaven? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:44am On Jul 25, 2017*. Modified: 10:03am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Well the bible is the Word of God-so you work it out? Haven't you heard? {Matthew 24:35} Jesus said: Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away. {John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God-every time we read the bible we are Hearing God speaking to us. So yes" God speaking to us-is the same as Jesus speaking to us. Don't you believe Jesus when He Said: I and the Father are One. Do you believe in the Trinity-not because the Trinity Word isn't written in the bible-as a Catholic-do you personally believe, In the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One' in all? Babacele: |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 10:10am On Jul 25, 2017 |
baba, the rcc say Mary is the queen of heaven, however the queen of heaven is a false god, that was worshipped long before Mary lived Jer_7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:22am On Jul 25, 2017 |
I myself agree with you Bro-the Catholic's are fooling themselves-thinking they will see Heaven-the Word tells us one must be born again-before he will enter into the kingdom of God-the Lord also teaches us-we will know them by their fruit. And plus-everybody that becomes a true born again believer-doesn't worship after another-never sets themselves up, to fall backwards into any other denomination. Jesus said: He knows His own. {John 10:14} I Am the Good Shepherd, I know My Sheep, and My sheep know Me. {John 10:27} My Sheep know My voice, and My Sheep follow Me. {John 13:1} Jesus had knowing His own, who were in the world. And the scriptures keep on coming, but do the Catholic's truly believe? "No" johnw74: |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:30am On Jul 25, 2017 |
I believe Mary was taken after Queen Isis, holding her baby-she was also called the Queen of Heaven, and the Mother of God-Dianna-was their goddess. On top of all that, Donald duck, and Micky mouse are on the roof mowing the lawn. johnw74: |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 10:36am On Jul 25, 2017 |
brocab: |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by orisa37: 10:40am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Catholic means Universal, that is, The Righteous in Roman Catholic, The Anglican, The Methodist, Baptist, Penticostals etc. Mary is the Supreme Goddess of all of us, though we seek Her Face varingly. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 10:44am On Jul 25, 2017 |
Ubenedictus:That reminds me of this: Ubenedictus:It seems rc's cannot stop lying and false accusing, taking after their god: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Babacele: 2:53pm On Jul 25, 2017 |
johnw74:But you said those whose murder the Torah claimed were God ordained should be killed . It was a typo error , it was Deuteronomy 7:1-2 and other verses where Humans murdered in the name of God. - Deuteronomy, chapter 7 1: "When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Gir'gashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb'usites, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves, 2: and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them. |
| Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Babacele: 4:14pm On Jul 25, 2017 |
brocab:Jesus, the word of God, said in Mathew 8:3- “Truly I tell you, He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. ," Sorry, Mr Pentecostal you don't hold the visa to heaven ,only God knows who goes. |
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