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brocab:
Are you kidding-"WOW" how Dumb, are you confused, about the scriptures-are you really expecting people to listen to this rubbish-everyone in their right mind would search the scriptures, then listen to this garbage-Mary was born into sin-she is a sinner-we all are.
You are mistaken {1 Peter 2:22} Jesus was found, with no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth.

blackbriar:
MATT 22:44, PSALM 110:1

in what rubbish? what is spirituality?

blackbriar:
ORIGINAL SIN AND ACTUAL SIN are the key points here.......just look them up

blackbriar:
well u did get the encyclical from the right source as it was edited to show mary sits at the right hand of God. a simple google or visit to the vatican website shows the write phrase.

matt 22:44,PSALM 110:1

brocab:
Ha Ha Ha" nothing in these two verses, talks about Mary sitting on the right hand of her son.
Who really listens to the Vatican-they don't even believe in the scriptures of God.

brocab:
Haven't you not read. Physical sinning-is quite the same-as menially hating your brother.
{1 John 3:15} Jesus said: Anyone who hates a brother or a sister is a murderer already.

blackbriar:
so what's that scripture verse talk about?
how can an institution that invokes the blessed trinity daily,hourly and per second not believe in GOD?

brocab:
Ha Ha Ha" nothing in these two verses, talks about Mary sitting on the right hand of her son.
Who really listens to the Vatican-they don't even believe in the scriptures of God.

blackbriar:
SIN is divided into two Original sin(sin of adam that condems all men born of a woman as sinners) and actual sin.
HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE(THE GRACE FORM ORIGINAL SIN)......if mary had original sin that makes JESUS a sinner.

blackbriar:
What is a wrong attribute about mary in that write up?

ISN'T SHE FULL OF GRACE luke 1:46-55?
ISN'T SHE THE MOTHER OF GOD THE SON,WHO IS GOD?
ISN'T SHE THE NEW EVE PROMISED AT THE FALL OF MAN luke 2:35?
MARY GRACE WAS FROM ORIGINAL SIN NOT ACTUAL SIN.

blackbriar:
well u did get the encyclical from the right source as it was edited to show mary sits at the right hand of God. a simple google or visit to the vatican website shows the write phrase.

matt 22:44,PSALM 110:1

johnw74:
u r full of lies, the whole paragraph was not needed, and those verses are about Jesus, not Mary sitting at the right hand of Father

still waiting for u to post verses showing that Mary sits at the right hand of Father or son,
do it now u hear

Mat 22:44  The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 

Psa 110:1  A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

They are about Jesus sitting at the right hand of Father, they are not about Mary

johnw74:
ha ha original sin is passed on to all, not just men,
read my post where I gave scriptures, not that u believe them.


Christians believe God's inspired word, however u continue to believe the devil through the rcc
all have sinned, not Jesus

truly Jesus is not a sinner:

1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

In Him is no sin

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus was without sin, Mary wasn't according to the God Inspired Bible
go back and read the verses I posted

johnw74:
wow confusion really reigns in rcc, I understand that, there couldn't be anything else

johnw74:
nothing there saying Mary is free from original sin,
or more importantly there is nothing in the Bible that supports your heresy,
or that Mary is to be prayed to,
or that Mary is divinity etc. etc. etc.

all u can post is the words of evil men who hate God's Inspired word-the Bible,
u have been blinded:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

brocab:
Abraham believed God-Abraham believed God in righteousness-the written Word of God was laid upon the heart of Abraham, because Abraham believed God-Abraham received the promise, because Abraham believed the invisible God, The book was written in the heart of Abraham. And Abraham knew God.
Moses also believed God-Moses was given the 10 commandment's because of the hardening of the people's hearts.

blackbriar:
I fail to understand your point,please help.

Babacele:
what bible did Abraham read before God revealed Himself to him? None.

Babacele:
We Catholics know that holy people in heaven pray to God most merciful.
For example , Rev 5:8 we are told that
"elders [the leaders of
the people of God in heaven] fell
down before the Lamb, each
holding a harp, and with golden
bowls full of incense, which are
the prayers of the saints" . Apart from saints in heaven,angels too
offer prayers to God as shown in
Rev 8: 3-4: "[An]
angel came and stood at the altar
with a golden censer;
and he was given much incense to
mingle with the prayers of all the
saints upon the golden altar
before the throne; and the smoke
of the incense rose with the
prayers of the saints from the
hand of the angel before
God"
Since holy persons are ever alive and righteous, we believe that we can direct our prayers to God through them when we say " pray for us" .

Since Mary is the mother of God highly favored who was filled with the holy spirit, gave birth God in man and was present at the day of pentecost , and consequently in heaven it is right that we beg her to pray for us sinners.

blackbriar:
The Apostles Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1:1; Rom 1:20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3:17; Phil 2:12)
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1:35)
born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2:7)
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19:16)
was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19:29 – 42)
He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3:19 – 20)
on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24:51)
and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1:3)
the Father almighty; (Mk 14:36)
from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10:39)
to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:15 – 20; Acts 1:7 –
the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16:18 – 19; Eph 5:26-27; Col 1:24)
the communion of Saints, (Mt 28:19 – 20; 2 Cor 11:13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20:22 – 23)
the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15:51 – 54; 1 Thes 4:13 – 18)
and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5:20)

Amen.

blackbriar:
if original is passed on to all(I AGREE),JESUS CHRIST had original sin which makes him a sinner,which negates YOUR scripture quote.

blackbriar:
now this was the grace in which mary was filled with when the angel gabriel said,hail highly favoured one.

blackbriar:
Catholic's believes in God's inspired word through his words and prophets and in the church teachings.

blackbriar:
JESUS was born of a woman(flesh and blood),so it meant he had to have original sin.how did he overcome that part?

blackbriar:
The Apostles Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1:1; Rom 1:20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3:17; Phil 2:12)
Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, (Lk 1:35)
born of the Virgin Mary, (Lk 2:7)
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (Jn 19:16)
was crucified, died, and was buried. (Jn 19:29 – 42)
He descended into hell; (1 Pet 3:19 – 20)
on the third day He rose again from the dead, (Mt 28:1-10; Jn 20:11-18)
He ascended in heaven, (Lk 24:51)
and sits at the right hand of God, (Heb 1:3)
the Father almighty; (Mk 14:36)
from thence He shall come again (Mt 16: 27; Acts 10:39)
to judge the living and the dead. (1 Cor 15: 51)
I believe in the Holy Spirit, (Jn 14:15 – 20; Acts 1:7 –
the Holy Catholic Church, (Mt 16:18 – 19; Eph 5:26-27; Col 1:24)
the communion of Saints, (Mt 28:19 – 20; 2 Cor 11:13; 1 Cor 15: 33)
the forgiveness of sins, (Jn 20:22 – 23)
the resurrection of the body, (1Cor 15:51 – 54; 1 Thes 4:13 – 18)
and life everlasting. (1 Jn 5:20)

Amen.

Babacele:
We Catholics know that holy people in heaven pray to God most merciful.
For example , Rev 5:8 we are told that
"elders [the leaders of
the people of God in heaven] fell
down before the Lamb, each
holding a harp, and with golden
bowls full of incense, which are
the prayers of the saints" . Apart from saints in heaven,angels too
offer prayers to God as shown in
Rev 8: 3-4: "[An]
angel came and stood at the altar
with a golden censer;
and he was given much incense to
mingle with the prayers of all the
saints upon the golden altar
before the throne; and the smoke
of the incense rose with the
prayers of the saints from the
hand of the angel before
God"
Since holy persons are ever alive and righteous, we believe that we can direct our prayers to God through them when we say " pray for us" .

Since Mary is the mother of God highly favored who was filled with the holy spirit, gave birth God in man and was present at the day of pentecost , and consequently in heaven it is right that we beg her to pray for us sinners.

blackbriar:
if original is passed on to all(I AGREE),JESUS CHRIST had original sin which makes him a sinner,which negates YOUR scripture quote.now this was the grace in which mary was filled with when the angel gabriel said,hail highly favoured one.
Catholic's believes in God's inspired word through his words and prophets and in the church teachings.
JESUS was born of a woman(flesh and blood),so it meant he had to have original sin.how did he overcome that part?

phililp:
All i see is bunch of Phat ass sinners tryna acuse other sinners of sinning...

bulllshit!!

everyone go home try to make ur ways right and server the God you Know in the way You know... Fvcking quite trying to say them others are sinning by doing this-or-that...

stop trying to Put right what u dont know if its wrong or right..

am no atheist. no budist no islamist. no religion......

i just know a God who created me exits and i serve him with the best i can.
enof said..



now i dunot tolerate stupid mentions.... if u wudnt mind looka ma signature

i ain't a killer but don't push me

God is Good ... <*)))>< ... What a Friend we have in Jesus

phililp:
All i see is bunch of Phat ass sinners tryna acuse other sinners of sinning...

bulllshit!!

everyone go home try to make ur ways right and server the God you Know in the way You know... Fvcking quite trying to say them others are sinning by doing this-or-that...

stop trying to Put right what u dont know if its wrong or right..

am no atheist. no budist no islamist. no religion......

i just know a God who created me exits and i serve him with the best i can.
enof said..



now i dunot tolerate stupid mentions.... if u wudnt mind looka ma signature

blackbriar:
if original is passed on to all(I AGREE),JESUS CHRIST had original sin which makes him a sinner,which negates YOUR scripture quote.

phililp:
All i see is bunch of Phat ass sinners tryna acuse other sinners of sinning...

bulllshit!!

everyone go home try to make ur ways right and server the God you Know in the way You know... Fvcking quite trying to say them others are sinning by doing this-or-that...

stop trying to Put right what u dont know if its wrong or right..

am no atheist. no budist no islamist. no religion......

i just know a God who created me exits and i serve him with the best i can.
enof said..



now i dunot tolerate stupid mentions.... if u wudnt mind looka ma signature

blackbriar:
Quoting Pope Pius IX in Ineffabilis Deus, Pius X reiterated that, "Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son - a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection. (Pius IX. in Bull Ineffabilis).

johnw74:
haba baba, here is some more lies from rcc


What are the four Marian Dogmas?



The four Marian dogmas1 are the Mother of God, Mary's perpetual virginity, her Immaculate Conception, and her Assumption into heaven. Here they are documented from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, CCC.

Mother of God, Theotokos, established in 431,
"Called in the Gospels “the mother of Jesus,” Mary is acclaimed by Elizabeth, at the prompting of the Spirit and even before the birth of her son, as “the mother of my Lord.” In fact, the One whom she conceived as man by the Holy Spirit, who truly became her Son according to the flesh, was none other than the Father’s eternal Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Hence the Church confesses that Mary is truly “Mother of God” (Theotokos)," (CCC 495).
"Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself," (CCC 509).
"Mary, the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God, is the masterwork of the mission of the Son and the Spirit in the fullness of time. For the first time in the plan of salvation and because his Spirit had prepared her, the Father found the dwelling place where his Son and his Spirit could dwell among men. In this sense the Church's Tradition has often read the most beautiful texts on wisdom in relation to Mary. Mary is acclaimed and represented in the liturgy as the "Seat of Wisdom." In her, the "wonders of God" that the Spirit was to fulfill in Christ and the Church began to be manifested," (CCC 721).
Perpetual Virginity, that Mary remained a virgin her whole life.
"The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary’s real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man. In fact, Christ’s birth “did not diminish his mother’s virginal integrity but sanctified it.” And so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the “Ever-virgin," (CCC 499)
"Mary “remained a virgin in conceiving her Son, a virgin in giving birth to him, a virgin in carrying him, a virgin in nursing him at her breast, always a virgin” (St. Augustine, Serm. 186, 1: PL 38, 999): with her whole being she is “the handmaid of the Lord” (Lk 1:38)," (CCC 510).
Immaculate Conception, Mary herself was conceived sinless, and thus redeemed at her conception. established in 1854.
"Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin," (CCC 491).
"Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death," (CCC 966).
"The Sunday celebration of the Lord's Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church's life. "Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" . "Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi, the feast of Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of Saint Joseph, the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints," (CCC 2177).
Assumption, Mary was taken bodily into heaven, established in 1950
"Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death." The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians: In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death," (CCC 966).
"The Sunday celebration of the Lord’s Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church’s life. “Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church.” (1167; 2043) “Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi, the feast of Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of Saint Joseph, the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints," (CCC 2177).

Though each of these four dogmas have been declared true by the Roman Catholic Church, except for the "mother of God," none of these can be found in Scripture. Now, please understand that when I mention the "Mother of God" I am agreeing that Mary is the mother of Jesus who has two natures, divine and human. But I disagree with the unwarranted exultation of Mary associated with that title. For more information on this problem please see the articles Is Mary the mother of God, theotokos? and There is a logical fallacy in the argument that Mary is the mother of God.

Nevertheless, Roman Catholicism asserts that each of these doctrines are found in Scripture.

"It is the conviction of Roman Catholics that the Marian dogmas formulate a faith consonant with Scripture."2

The truth is, they are not found in Scripture. The perpetual virginity of Mary, which says that she always remained a virgin, cannot be demonstrated from the Bible. For this issue please see the article Did Mary Have Other Children? The doctrine that she was conceived without original sin is also not found in Scripture. To deal with this issue please see the article If Mary was sinless, why was she unclean and had to offer a sacrifice for sin? Finally, regarding the Assumption of Mary, that she was taken bodily into heaven, please see The Bodily Assumption of Mary. The truth is that the Roman Catholic Church has violated Scripture.

"Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other," (1 Corinthians 4:6).

by Matt Slick
9/28/14
What are the four Marian Dogmas?