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{Psalm 110:1-2}The Lord said to my Lord, sit at My right hand, till I make your enemies your footstool.
Sorry: still there's "No Mary.

Ubenedictus:
it actually is in the bible, gleaned from psalm, but since i am unwilling to continue a rather unproductive argument, i'll rather ask that write it down and add it to the issues you wish to ask a priest.

The Word of God say's we are all priest-so what good is it, to me, to see another priest?
Uben this is what, I like about you, you prefer to run away, rather then act upon the answers.
Again you are pushing this topic further away-because you know-yourself you can't answer the questions-and you haven't the evidence to back up your theories.

Ubenedictus:
i would have offered a rebuttal but i have already advised you to see a priest. Do well to the us how it went.

We could argue this point all day long Uben-but you can't beat history-it's the past-unless you have a time machine.

Ubenedictus:
This again shows your ignorance , tyndale bible was translated from the greek manuscripts compiled by Erasmus. This is a verifiable.

It all depends if those people were saved? But the Word of God still stands, it doesn't give us any authority to pray to dead saints already in heaven.
If they are part of the Church of God-we haven't the authority to pray "TO" them, or pray "THROUGH" them-nor have we received any authority from the Lord "TO" ask the saints in heaven to pray for us on Earth.
Jesus said: we must pray "TO" the Father in Heaven-and pray for "EACH" other, still living.

Ubenedictus:
The question remains, as the saints in heavy members of the body of Christ Or does death remove people from Christ?

It is a simple question Stop dodging It.

Uben the problem is-having access to the net-opens up a new door way-most everyone on this planet have inputted some sort of information somewhere, where people like myself can find-its a matter of pushing the right buttons.
If we were to find information about the Catholic Church-we don't waste our time asking a priest-we already know what sort of responds we will retrieve from he/she, and plus why ask a another priest, when the word of God say's, we are all priest, and if we are priest-then I am asking you Uben.
And because you don't believe any of this is true-obviously you are protecting your beloved Church! This is common throughout the globe-we all protect our beliefs.
I and Johnw74 protect the written Word of God-where in your case, you don't, you protect another doctrine, one that does not line up with the Word of God, you would rather protect Mary the saints and the Pope, before you would protect God, as it stands.
But yet you call yourselves Christians-like the JW's the Mormons do-and every other religion out there, who only believe in half truths, about the written Word of God.
So it isn't worth getting yourselves worked up, over nothing-we match everyday Johnw74 and myself are solders protecting our belief's, our God the Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ubenedictus:
so if a toyota car is very faulty the right thing to do is read about it from innoson abi?

That again is silly logic.


When you wish to critique something you hold it to yourself to atleast read the material you are critiquing, you cant critique carl max if you have not read his work.

You cant objectively critique the Catholic Church by reading matt slick. Start from the beginning if you are truly unbiased and objective. Read up from the Church what she teaches then you can Start critiquing.

START TREKING

brocab:
So I have sent the fee to the Vatican, what do I do next.

I am on my way..But I believe it won't do me any good-asking another priest-when Jesus said: we are all priest in the kingdom of God.
And if you can't answer the questions-then asking another-wouldn't be worth my trip.
You all believe in that same false doctrine that doesn't line up with the Word of God.

emmanuelex1:
START TREKING

Our Father in Heaven Hallowed be thy name-your Kingdom come, that will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This is the prayer, the Lord asked us to focus on.
Why call yourselves Christian-when you know, your prayer is unscriptural.

Babacele:
Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

Ubenedictus:
You cant even admit when you are wrong, it shows you arent even sincere.


Carm lied that the pope says Mary sins at the right hand of the majesty on high whereas the pope clearly says Jesus sits on the right hand of the majesty on high while Mary sits at Jesus right hand.


Is that the same thing Or you guys just enjoy lying about the catholic Church.

what lying accusers rc's are dictus, but it's understandable when one consideres who your god is
Jesus sits on the right hand of the majesty on high, and mary sits on the right hand of Jesus,
that being the case then they both sit on the right hand of the majesty on high, but i know u have been blinded:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

and apart from all your twisting-lying, show from the Bible that mary sits on the right hand of Jesus on the throne of God, come back with that now, u hear

Ubenedictus:
so if a toyota car is very faulty the right thing to do is read about it from innoson abi?

That again is silly logic.


When you wish to critique something you hold it to yourself to atleast read the material you are critiquing, you cant critique carl max if you have not read his work.

You cant objectively critique the Catholic Church by reading matt slick. Start from the beginning if you are truly unbiased and objective. Read up from the Church what she teaches then you can Start critiquing.

i already said i'm not wasting time reading false rc doctrines,
i ask specific questions and ask u for Bible verses to prove your points,
which u cannot give, all you give is rc unbibical lies

confused rc's here even think that praying for people is the same as praying to people, and they give Bible verses for praying for people, thinking it shows u r to pray to people u r not the brightest bulb in the building

Ubenedictus:
do you even know the meaning of blasphemy Or do you just enjoy saying seemingly big worship.

read that again oh confused dictus, your babel(confusion of speech) comes from hating the truth

Ubenedictus:
no. rubbish is rubbish to me. Your copy and paste didn't even try to tell you who compiled the new testament canon yet it went on and on about the Catholic Church.

That certainly is a load of rubbish, when you have a copy and paste source that tells you how the new testament was compiled let me know.

ha ha, u keep saying rcc compiled the new testament, and yet u don't believe the nt, or the ot, because they show rcc doctrines to be false

many false rcc doctrines of course differ to the Bible, and u don't care about that
u believe your satanic doctrines over God's Inspired word
u believe the writings of evil men who have made up doctrines that differ to the Bible
the Bible is rubbish to u, but of course the real garbage is the rcc anti Bibical doctrines.

Ubenedictus:
are you talking about the same new testament the Catholic Church compiled or another?

i'm talking about the Bible dictus, nt and old which u don't believe because it shows rcc doctrine is false.

u dictus shore do post a lot of garbage

Babacele:
Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

like i said: u pray to people to pray to God for u, and u say that is praying directly to God

and u think that praying for people is the same as praying to people

would it be the toss of a coin to determine who is the most duh out of u and dictus

Ubenedictus:
The question remains, as the saints in heavy members of the body of Christ Or does death remove people from Christ?

It is a simple question Stop dodging It.

dictus, read your babel again

Ubenedictus:
i would have offered a rebuttal but i have already advised you to see a priest. Do well to the us how it went.

u have no answers

Ubenedictus:
it actually is in the bible, gleaned from psalm, but since i am unwilling to continue a rather unproductive argument, i'll rather ask that write it down and add it to the issues you wish to ask a priest.

again no answers, just a lie

Ubenedictus:
visit a priest and ask him these questions .

Thanks

and yet again dictus runs away

Jesus Christ(the Word of God in the flesh) was crucified so that we might have eternal life with Him,
but pagan rc's pray more to mary and other people and angels than they do to the Saviour

the rosary is ten hail marys to one our Father, repetitive praying is anti Bibical
even if mary could here u, praying the same thing once would be enough

even saying ten hail marys in a row over and over again, she still cannot hear u,
it's God through the Holy Spirit in believers that hears our prayers,
it's not the holy spirit of mary in us that takes our prayers to Father,
although i wouldn't be surprised if rcc thought it was

u can only go to the Father throuh Jesus, we cannot go through mary:
Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

salvation is only in Jesus, mary cannot save u:
Act 4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

rc's don't abide in the doctrines of Christ, but in the doctrines of the rcc, they think they can come to God through Mary,
whereas Jesus said He is the only way to the Father,
they think they can pray to mary, when Jesus said this is how you should pray "Our Father"
they have not God-Father and Son:
2Jn 1:9  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 

the prayers to God of all the saints are offered up to God:
Rev 5:8  And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

(Rev 8:3)  And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
(Rev 8:4)  And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.


Psa 141:2  Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.

the prayers to mary joseph and tom and dic and harry are not offered up to God

Christians pray to God, rc's pray to mary and many others, have a look here: https://www.nairaland.com/1087122/why-catholics-pray-rosary-bow/64#58933476

Rev 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

dictus, u rc's say mary is forever a virgin,
there are many verses showing u 2 be wrong,
and i have seen how u don't believe them and twist God's Inspired word,
which is calling God a liar


psalm 69 is a messianic psalm and Jesus quoted it twice concerning Himself

(Psa 69:4)  They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.

(Psa 69:5)  O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

(Psa 69:6)  Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord GOD of hosts, be ashamed for my sake: let not those that seek thee be confounded for my sake, O God of Israel.

(Psa 69:7)  Because for thy sake I have borne reproach; shame hath covered my face.

(Psa 69:8]  I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

(Psa 69:9)  For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.


Joh 15:25  But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

Joh 2:16  And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 
Joh 2:17  And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

I am become an alien to my mothers children

God's word shows in many places that mary had other children,
it is so clear, and yet rc's twist and lie, giving those verses different meanings,
as they do with all Bible verses that show their doctrines to be satanic.

You are on your way, Keep lying to your self. You just enjoy argument even when you are ignorant of the subject matter. Before explaining the subject matter then to you and your friends who insulted me for delaying my explanation due to your inability to type the full recitation I requested. This is how you and your friends create argument online and stay online insulting people. If you want to truly change the doctrine go to Vatican or visit catholic priest close to you to discuss it. I wont message you again.

brocab:
I am on my way..But I believe it won't do me any good-asking another priest-when Jesus said: we are all priest in the kingdom of God.
And if you can't answer the questions-then asking another-wouldn't be worth my trip.
You all believe in that same false doctrine that doesn't line up with the Word of God.

emmanuelex1:
You are on your way, Keep lying to your self. You just enjoy argument even when you are ignorant of the subject matter. Before explaining the subject matter then to you and your friends who insulted me for delaying my explanation due to your inability to type the full recitation I requested. This is how you and your friends create argument online and stay online insulting people. If you want to truly change the doctrine go to Vatican or visit catholic priest close to you to discuss it. I wont message you again.

@bold, duh, is bro's comment about being on his way to the vatican, a joke or a lie?
but then i understand how u would literally believe it, just as u rc's believe anti Bibical garbage u are taught by rcc

@underline, how many times is it now that u have said that?

when rc speaks a lie he is taking after the devil and is speaking naturally

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I am on my way" and on my return, I will stop on the net-seriously you aren't expecting me to change my verdict-do you actually believe, for one second, I would change God's doctrine, for the Vaticans?
We already know if I cant get any sense out from you-then it isn't my worth while trying to get any sense out from a priest.
You both follow that same doctrine, that isn't scriptural, "So good bye...

emmanuelex1:
You are on your way, Keep lying to your self. You just enjoy argument even when you are ignorant of the subject matter. Before explaining the subject matter then to you and your friends who insulted me for delaying my explanation due to your inability to type the full recitation I requested. This is how you and your friends create argument online and stay online insulting people. If you want to truly change the doctrine go to Vatican or visit catholic priest close to you to discuss it. I wont message you again.

{Psalm 69:8} Blows Mary and Jesus's half brothers and sisters out of the water, it's interesting.

johnw74:
dictus, u rc's say mary is forever a virgin,
there are many verses showing u 2 be wrong,
and i have seen how u don't believe them and twist God's Inspired word,
which is calling God a liar


psalm 69 is a messianic psalm and Jesus quoted it twice concerning Himself

(Psa 69:4)  They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.

(Psa 69:5)  O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

(Psa 69:6)  Let not them that wait on thee, O Lord GOD of hosts, be ashamed for my sake: let not those that seek thee be confounded for my sake, O God of Israel.

(Psa 69:7)  Because for thy sake I have borne reproach; shame hath covered my face.

(Psa 69:8]  I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

(Psa 69:9)  For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.


Joh 15:25  But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

Joh 2:16  And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 
Joh 2:17  And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

I am become an alien to my mothers children

God's word shows in many places that mary had other children,
it is so clear, and yet rc's twist and lie, giving those verses different meanings,
as they do with all Bible verses that show their doctrines to be satanic.

The Catholic's had given Mary the shorter end of the stick-Jesus said: He who overcomes, sits with Jesus on His Throne.
{Revelation 3:20} He who overcomes" I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcome and sat down with My Father on His Throne.
Which means, there's no other throne, only "One Right Throne, where Jesus and God sits-Mary wouldn't be sitting beside the Throne of Jesus-she would be sitting on His Throne with God and all the saints.

Ubenedictus:
You cant even admit when you are wrong, it shows you arent even sincere.


Carm lied that the pope says Mary sins at the right hand of the majesty on high whereas the pope clearly says Jesus sits on the right hand of the majesty on high while Mary sits at Jesus right hand.


Is that the same thing Or you guys just enjoy lying about the catholic Church.

yes bro there is a time yet future when all who have died in Christ, and when those still alive will be caught up to Christ, and will some time after that sit on Christ's throne even as He sit's on His Fathers throne,
it sounds crowded but it's a metaphor meaning we will all be one, the saved in Christ and Christ in the Father

(1Th 4:16)  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(1Th 4:17)  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Heb_8:1  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Rev_3:21  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


mary will be among those believers that will be granted to sit on Christ's throne
-be one with Christ,
as Christ was granted to sit on Fathers throne, the one and the same throne as u pointed out

neither mary or anyone else sit's on Christs throne with Him at this time
pius 1X and rcc are wrong

14. We are then, it will be seen, very far from attributing to the Mother of God a productive power of grace - a power which belongs to God alone. Yet, since Mary carries it over all in holiness and union with Jesus Christ, and has been associated by Jesus Christ in the work of redemption, she merits for us de congruo, in the language of theologians, what Jesus Christ merits for us de condigno, and she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son - a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection. (Pius IX. in Bull Ineffabilis).

roman catholicism has both Jesus and mary sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high
and Hebrews was quoted as reference

hebrews has only Jesus sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high, and not mary


pius 1X signature is appropiate: in Bull Ineffabilis

Bull further says: mary a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection

they leave Christ completely out of it, they will have their reward





@underline, ha ha more unbibical rubbish

brocab:
Our Father in Heaven Hallowed be thy name-your Kingdom come, that will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This is the prayer, the Lord asked us to focus on.
Why call yourselves Christian-when you know, your prayer is unscriptural.

Mr scripture ,show us in the Lord's prayer you quoted above where Jesus mentioned" pray to me Jesus" , or "pray in the public places while standing on your feet" ? ... but we pray to Jesus ,and we don't think God -ever merciful -would condemn to hell those who pray on their feet in public places because we understand the mysteries of Christianity which maybe strange to some persons and non Christians the same way it is difficult for non Catholics to understand Holy Mary's mother of God and intercessory divine status , or why a St Peter can loose or bind anything on earth and in heaven since he is not God; or why Christ would use in his parable the example of Samaritans and not Pharisees to drive home his message of love and brotherhood ; or why Jesus would drink and wine with sinners , or what He was saying by 'John baptised you with water but i will baptise with fire and spirit' , or what Cornelius would imply by ' this is water( not stream or a River Jordan) baptise me or what are you waiting for" ; or from where Lazarus was brought back to life after been dead for days when it has been said" after death judgement".
Let God judge us poor sinners ,Mr Pentecostal.

the rcc wrote their bible in latin,
was that so the people couldn't read it
and discover that their own church doctrines are not according to God's Inspired word

but even now that rc's can read the Bible in any language, they still prefer their unbibical church doctrines-lies that evil men have compiled

Thanks for the input brother, 'Yes' we are all one with Christ as the Word stands.
The stories I have read on this forum in the past, until now-it amazes me how many different religions, we both have written too, who claim to know Christ-the JW's, and the Roman Catholic's, and how much of these two line up with each other, with no dealt.
Half truth believers, who think there religions will save the world. Having everybody other then Christ Himself, to be mediators-or saviours.

johnw74:
yes bro there is a time yet future when all who have died in Christ, and when those still alive will be caught up to Christ, and will some time after that sit on Christ's throne even as He sit's on His Fathers throne,
it sounds crowded but it's a metaphor meaning we will all be one, the saved in Christ and Christ in the Father

(1Th 4:16)  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(1Th 4:17)  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Heb_8:1  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Rev_3:21  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


mary will be among those believers that will be granted to sit on Christ's throne
-be one with Christ,
as Christ was granted to sit on Fathers throne, the one and the same throne as u pointed out

neither mary or anyone else sit's on Christs throne with Him at this time
pius 1X and rcc are wrong



roman catholicism has both Jesus and mary sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high
and Hebrews was quoted as reference

hebrews has only Jesus sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high, and not mary


pius 1X signature is appropiate: in Bull Ineffabilis

Bull further says: mary a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection

they leave Christ completely out of it, they will have their reward





@underline, ha ha more unbibical rubbish

Our Father in Heaven Hallowed be thy name-your Kingdom come, that will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This is the prayer, the Lord asked us to focus on.
Why call yourselves Christian-when you know, your prayer is unscriptural.
Read it again.

Babacele:
Mr scripture ,show us in the Lord's prayer you quoted above where Jesus mentioned" pray to me Jesus" , or "pray in the public places while standing on your feet" ? ... but we pray to Jesus ,and we don't think God -ever merciful -would condemn to hell those who pray on their feet in public places because we understand the mysteries of Christianity which maybe strange to some persons and non Christians the same way it is difficult for non Catholics to understand Holy Mary's mother of God and intercessory divine status , or why a St Peter can loose or bind anything on earth and in heaven since he is not God; or why Christ would use in his parable the example of Samaritans and not Pharisees to drive home his message of love and brotherhood ; or why Jesus would drink and wine with sinners , or what He was saying by 'John baptised you with water but i will baptise with fire and spirit' , or what Cornelius would imply by ' this is water( not stream or a River Jordan) baptise me or what are you waiting for" ; or from where Lazarus was brought back to life after been death for days when it has been said" after death judgement".
Let God judge us poor sinners ,Mr Pentecostal.

brocab:
Our Father in Heaven Hallowed be thy name-your Kingdom come, that will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This is the prayer, the Lord asked us to focus on.
Why call yourselves Christian-when you know, your prayer is unscriptural.
Read it again.

answer my question