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Babacele:
answer my question

brocab:
{Matthew 6:9-13}
Jesus said: pray like this.
Our Father in Heaven,
Hallowed be your name.
Your Kingdom come,
your will be done,
on Earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil.

Babacele:
tell the world that you Pentecostals don't pray to Jesus, that you don't stand in public places to pray as against Christ advice. Quote from the Lord's prayer where Jesus said" pray to me; stand in public places to pray". Very simple ,and stop dodging now that you need to be really scriptural.

For the benefit of others after truth, I present below Jesus admonition on how to pray:



Matthew 6:5-15 New International
Version (NIV)
Prayer
5 “And when you pray, do not be
like the hypocrites, for they love
to pray standing in the
synagogues and on the street
corners to be seen by others.
Truly I tell you, they have received
their reward in full. 6 But when
you pray, go into your room, close
the door and pray to your Father,
who is unseen. Then your Father,
who sees what is done in secret,
will reward you. 7 And when you
pray, do not keep on babbling like
pagans, for they think they will be
heard because of their many
words. 8 Do not be like them, for
your Father knows what you need
before you ask him.
9 “This, then, is how you should
pray:
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10
your kingdom come,

brocab:
In Jesus name-I for one-don't pray the Lords prayer on the street corners.
The Lord said: go into your room and pray to the Father who art in Heaven.
It is the Pharisees-that were heard for their many words on the street corners, and you are the Catholic's modern day Pharisees, as we all know it.
{Matthew 28:18-20}Jesus said: all authority on Heaven and on Earth had been given to Me-then Jesus told His disciples-to go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey or that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of this age.
If this is what you call standing on street corners-witnessing to people about Christ-then you need to obey the commandments the Lord had given you.
And in Jesus name we pray to the Father who art in Heaven.

Babacele:
you want us to be robotic - what you called ' obeying commandments', no problem. Just quote me for me in that prayer where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus" .

Babacele:
you want us to be robotic - what you called ' obeying commandments', no problem. Just quote me for me in that prayer where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus" .

brocab:
Maybe if you read the scriptures yourself instead of relying on me, to answer them for you-you would have the answers, or maybe you are trying to trick me in your craftiness.
{Hebrews 1:6-9} Explains who Christ is: God said: to Jesus, Your Throne O 'God will last forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your Kingdom, You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness, Therefore God" You God, has anointed you. With all oil of gladness, more then Your companions.
.{Matthew 1:23} Behold the Virgin shall be with Child, and shall bring forth a Son, and they call Him Emmanuel which means God with us.

Babacele:
1.The Lord's prayer you quoted to counter my pointing out the Christian tradition of praying for each other when I " holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners". True or false?
2 . You said begging Mary to pray to God for us is unscriptural and that the only biblical prayer is the Lord's prayer.
3. Since we must obey scriptural commandments according to, and since we all pray to Jesus whereas He has given us a prayer formula. So please Mr Pentecostal stop dodging and being crafty by just quoting for us where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus " in the Lords prayer.

Babacele:
1.The Lord's prayer you quoted to counter my pointing out the Christian tradition of praying for each other when I " holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners". True or false?
2 . You said begging Mary to pray to God for us is unscriptural and that the only biblical prayer is the Lord's prayer.
3. Since we must obey scriptural commandments according to, and since we all pray to Jesus whereas He has given us a prayer formula. So please Mr Pentecostal stop dodging and being crafty by just quoting for us where Jesus said " pray to me Jesus " in the Lords prayer.

johnw74:
your posts to brocab are not clear, but i will make two points

1.there is a diffrence between praying for people and praying to people, such as mary
praying for people is good, praying to people(who cannot hear you) is stupid but more importantly it is unbibical
Christians pray only to God, not to people who have died, as rc's do

2.bro is right, begging Mary to pray to God for us is unscriptural, that is: it is unbibical

johnw74:
your posts to brocab are not clear, but i will make two points

1.there is a diffrence between praying for people and praying to people, such as mary
praying for people is good, praying to people(who cannot hear you) is stupid but more importantly it is unbibical
Christians pray only to God, not to people who have died, as rc's do

2.bro is right, begging Mary to pray to God for us is unscriptural, that is: it is unbibical

brocab:
You said it, as clear as it sounds-you believe Jesus had original sin, also called ancestral sin, is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin, resulting from the fall of man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
This is what you are pointing Jesus too-calling Jesus a sinner-because He was born through a sinner, Mama Mary.

blackbriar:
i still don't think you read my post carefully

brocab:
Then explain yourself clearly.

Babacele:
to we Christians there is nothing like death with the body of Christ ,and this mystery would continue to confound Sadducees and Pharisees .


In Math 22: 31-32 Jesus told the Sadducees thus
… 31 But concerning the
resurrection of the dead, have you
not read what God said to you:
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the
God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob?’ He is not the God of the
dead, but of the living.” So was Abraham, Isaac and Jacob on earth when Jesus said that?

Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

blackbriar:
like i said earlier....mary was full of grace(luke 1:28) grace from Original sin, which excluded christ from original sin.

dat was wat i wrote that and that has been my standing all along.

brocab:
That wasn't hard was it..

brocab:
But it still doesn't give us reason to pray "TO or For" the dead. God is the God of the living, God isn't the God of the dead
Mary no-longer has flesh and blood, Mary and the saints are in Spirit with the Lord.
{Hebrews 13:8} Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
{John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God.
We pray to the living-God is living..He is God, who is, who was, and who is to come.

brocab:
Brother you understood baba's question?
What is the confusion? What can't baba understand? It's simple, we pray to the Father, Jesus prays for us, and Jesus said pray for one another.
Baba's idea of prayer is unbiblical, baba prays "To" Mary or baba's begging Mary "To" pray for baba.
If babe was to pray for Mary-it still would have been unbiblical, Mary's dead, followed by the saints.
{Ecclesiastes 9:5} For the living know that they will die, But the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

Babacele:
so you don't believe Jesus ? don't be confused. I hope you know that Mary mother of God must be remembered by all generations (luke 1: 48)and so she is ever living ?

I repeat Jesus the final authority in Mat 22: 32-33
… 31 But concerning the
resurrection of the dead, have you
not read what God said to you:
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the
God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob?’ He is not the God of the
dead, but of the living.”

Babacele:
so who is the dead here , even after it has been established that He is God of the living and that holy people are ever living member of the Christ body on earth and in heaven?

Mr Pentecostal is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Mary Mother still alive in Christ?
So has Transition changed the divine gift of these holy persons to pray for us even when Revelation tells us that the elders,angels and saints in heaven still pray to God?

brocab:
I am on my way" and on my return, I will stop on the net-seriously you aren't expecting me to change my verdict-do you actually believe, for one second, I would change God's doctrine, for the Vaticans?
We already know if I cant get any sense out from you-then it isn't my worth while trying to get any sense out from a priest.
You both follow that same doctrine, that isn't scriptural, "So good bye...

brocab:
You ask who are the dead-you are" dead in spirit-you haven't the slightest idea, about anything the bible has to offer.
Since you have this crazy idea, Mr Catholic-Mary and the saints are living fleshly beings, just like we are on earth, I will go next door and ask Mary the Mother of God-Queen of Heaven and of course the saints for some sugar, while I am over there, I might as well witness to them about Jesus, and ask them over for a bible study, and I pray none of them are Catholic-and hopefully we could pray together, all in the name of Jesus.

Babacele:
It is obvious you don't believe in Jesus even though you flaunt His name, so how would not you disrespect the Mother of God? Thank you for the insults. By their fruits ye shall know them.

emmanuelex1:
You said "We already know if I cant get any sense out from you-then it isn't my worth while trying to get any sense out from a priest."
Now you can see how you reason like a child of 16 years.

brocab:
It really wouldn't do me any good asking a priest-I don't believe your doctrine even exist. Thanks anyway.
There is information flying in all directions over the net, plus I have seen with my own eye's-the twist and the turns you Catholic's have shown, your disbelief towards God's Word, stands-so talking with another priest wouldn't make a difference, he/she will fill me in, with the unscriptural knowledge, just like you do.
And if you don't believe, neither will the priest believe.

johnw74:
ha ha, u keep saying rcc compiled the new testament, and yet u don't believe the nt, or the ot, because they show rcc doctrines to be false

many false rcc doctrines of course differ to the Bible, and u don't care about that
u believe your satanic doctrines over God's Inspired word
u believe the writings of evil men who have made up doctrines that differ to the Bible
the Bible is rubbish to u, but of course the real garbage is the rcc anti Bibical doctrines.

Babacele:
to we Christians there is nothing like death with the body of Christ ,and this mystery would continue to confound Sadducees and Pharisees .


In Math 22: 31-32 Jesus told the Sadducees thus
… 31 But concerning the
resurrection of the dead, have you
not read what God said to you:
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the
God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob?’ He is not the God of the
dead, but of the living.” So was Abraham, Isaac and Jacob on earth when Jesus said that?

Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners .....

brocab:
Brother you understood baba's question?
What is the confusion? What can't baba understand? It's simple, we pray to the Father, Jesus prays for us, and Jesus said pray for one another.
Baba's idea of prayer is unbiblical, baba prays "To" Mary or baba's begging Mary "To" pray for baba.
If babe was to pray for Mary-it still would have been unbiblical, Mary's dead, followed by the saints.
{Ecclesiastes 9:5} For the living know that they will die, But the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

blackbriar:
like i said earlier....mary was full of grace(luke 1:28) grace from Original sin, which excluded christ from original sin.

dat was wat i wrote that and that has been my standing all along.

Ubenedictus:
Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct--as irrational animals do--will destroy them. Jude 1;10