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Babacele:
so who is the dead here , even after it has been established that He is God of the living and that holy people are ever living member of the Christ body on earth and in heaven?

Mr Pentecostal is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Mary Mother still alive in Christ?
So has Transition changed the divine gift of these holy persons to pray for us even when Revelation tells us that the elders,angels and saints in heaven still pray to God?

Babacele:
so you don't believe Jesus ? don't be confused. I hope you know that Mary mother of God must be remembered by all generations (luke 1: 48)and so she is ever living ?

I repeat Jesus the final authority in Mat 22: 32-33
… 31 But concerning the
resurrection of the dead, have you
not read what God said to you:
32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the
God of Isaac, and the God of
Jacob?’ He is not the God of the
dead, but of the living.”

Babacele:
It is obvious you don't believe in Jesus even though you flaunt His name, so how would not you disrespect the Mother of God? Thank you for the insults. By their fruits ye shall know them.

blackbriar:
like i said earlier....mary was full of grace(luke 1:28) grace from Original sin, which excluded christ from original sin.

dat was wat i wrote that and that has been my standing all along.

Ubenedictus:
Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct--as irrational animals do--will destroy them. Jude 1;10

Ubenedictus:
Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct--as irrational animals do--will destroy them.
Jude 1:10

brocab:
Yes a good question to ask? Show us in the bible-where Mary was excluded from Original sin?
Don't forget-Mary needed a savour-and if she was excluded from sin-she wouldn't need one.

johnw74:
u have got nothing at all,
u can not support your doctrines from the Bible
and that is why u falsely accuse bro, but then u r just taking after your god in doing that

telling the truth concerning mary is not disrespecting her
but when u lie u r just speaking naturally, like your father the devil does

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


and yes by their fruits you will know them, they will pray to people,
they will pray before statues and paintings and so many etc's

johnw74:
u r mr confusion himself, i remember my first dog of about 63 years ago, but i don't pray to him

Babacele:
thank you ,if you can insult the mother of God ,who am I?

brocab:
Just by Praying to Mary-is insulting to God. Where is your respect to the living God. He saves, He glorifies, He even loves, and still you don't respect Him, nor His Son Jesus.
You treat them both second best, while in your eye's, Mary and the saints retrieves the reward.

Babacele:
thank you ,if you can insult the mother of God ,who am I?

Babacele:
So Mother of God is now a Dog ,what more disrespect do you have?

Babacele:
The body of Christ is one ,so when we pray to God through Mary or St Peter ,whatever they loose on earth or heaven , God approves and there is nothing like anybody retreiving the reward. The greatest honor to Mary is God allowing Her to give birth to and nurturing Him ,and Her divine motherhood is eternal. Those who cannot come to terms with this mystery should allow God judge us for won't everyone stand before God to give account of his/her life?

Babacele:
Matthew 25:31-46 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) Jesus Will Judge the World 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all his angels are with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 The people of every nation will be gathered in front of him. He will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right but the goats on his left. 34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, my Father has blessed you! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me into your home. 36 I needed clothes, and you gave me something to wear. I was sick, and you took care of me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’ 37 “Then the people who have God’s approval will reply to him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or see you thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you as a stranger and take you into our homes or see you in need of clothes and give you something to wear? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 “The king will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did for me.’ 41 “Then the king will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels! 42 I was hungry, and you gave me nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me into your homes. I needed clothes, and you didn’t give me anything to wear. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t take care of me.’ 44 “They, too, will ask, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or as a stranger or in need of clothes or sick or in prison and didn’t help you?’ 45 “He will answer them, ‘I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you failed to do for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do for me.’ 46 “These people will go away into eternal punishment, but those with God’s approval will go into eternal life.”

Babacele:
The body of Christ is one ,so when we pray to God through Mary or St Peter ,whatever they loose on earth or heaven , God approves and there is nothing like anybody retreiving the reward. The greatest honor to Mary is God allowing Her to give birth to and nurturing Him ,and Her divine motherhood is eternal. Those who cannot come to terms with this mystery should allow God judge us for won't everyone stand before God to give account of his/her life?

Babacele:
The body of Christ is one ,so when we pray to God through Mary or St Peter ,whatever they loose on earth or heaven , God approves and there is nothing like anybody retreiving the reward. The greatest honor to Mary is God allowing Her to give birth to and nurturing Him ,and Her divine motherhood is eternal. Those who cannot come to terms with this mystery should allow God judge us for won't everyone stand before God to give account of his/her life?

Babacele:
Matthew 25:31-46 GOD’S WORD
Translation (GW)
Jesus Will Judge the World
31 “When the Son of Man comes
in his glory and all his angels are
with him, he will sit on his glorious
throne. 32 The people of every
nation will be gathered in front of
him. He will separate them as a
shepherd separates the sheep
from the goats. 33 He will put the
sheep on his right but the goats
on his left.
34 “Then the king will say to
those on his right, ‘Come, my
Father has blessed you! Inherit the
kingdom prepared for you from
the creation of the world. 35 I was
hungry, and you gave me
something to eat. I was thirsty,
and you gave me something to
drink. I was a stranger, and you
took me into your home. 36 I
needed clothes, and you gave me
something to wear. I was sick, and
you took care of me. I was in
prison, and you visited me.’
37 “Then the people who have
God’s approval will reply to him,
‘Lord, when did we see you
hungry and feed you or see you
thirsty and give you something to
drink? 38 When did we see you as
a stranger and take you into our
homes or see you in need of
clothes and give you something to
wear? 39 When did we see you
sick or in prison and visit you?’
40 “The king will answer them, ‘I
can guarantee this truth: Whatever
you did for one of my brothers or
sisters, no matter how
unimportant they seemed, you did
for me.’
41 “Then the king will say to
those on his left, ‘Get away from
me! God has cursed you! Go into
everlasting fire that was prepared
for the devil and his angels! 42 I
was hungry, and you gave me
nothing to eat. I was thirsty, and
you gave me nothing to drink. 43
I was a stranger, and you didn’t
take me into your homes. I needed
clothes, and you didn’t give me
anything to wear. I was sick and
in prison, and you didn’t take care
of me.’
44 “They, too, will ask, ‘Lord, when
did we see you hungry or thirsty
or as a stranger or in need of
clothes or sick or in prison and
didn’t help you?’
45 “He will answer them, ‘I can
guarantee this truth: Whatever you
failed to do for one of my brothers
or sisters, no matter how
unimportant they seemed, you
failed to do for me.’
46 “These people will go away
into eternal punishment, but those
with God’s approval will go into
eternal life.”

brocab:
Yes a good question to ask? Show us in the bible-where Mary was excluded from Original sin?
Don't forget-Mary needed a savour-and if she was excluded from sin-she wouldn't need one.

johnw74:
Luk 1:28  And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

mary was blessed among women because God chose her to be the mother of Christ
show from the Bible how that disolves her from original sin

blackbriar:
i still don't think you read my post carefully

johnw74:
truly those who pray before statues and paintings etc. etc. etc. are not part of the body of Christ,
u baba r greatly deceived.

brocab:
Are you listening to yourself?
Firstly you would rather pray through Mary and Peter, before you consider to pray to Him 'the Father.
And what you have failed to do, time and time again, is prove these theories of yours-that, you claim and believe, is written in the bible.
But beware-if it isn't written in the bible-then you baba are spreading a false doctrine.

Babacele:
from the beginning anybody reading this thread knows that I have supported all my claims with different Bible verses and not even a scripture outside of it but each time you guys either dodge, insult , and twist .

One thing you cannot take away is the divine motherhood of Mary . If God Himself honors Mary , whatever you say is irrelevant. Those who call Mary dead, dog, sinner, and all sorts of names can't be part of the generations calling Her Blessed(Luke1:48).

Allow God to judge us poor sinners as we have never claimed to be saints .

blackbriar:
it is not found explicitly in scripture but flows from the idea of luke 1:28 and luke 1:42.

if mary had had original sin ,Jesus would have had original sin also.

Ubenedictus:
so you think christianity began in the 16th century?

Ubenedictus:
he isnt interested in knowing anything, he is happy in ignorance and would rather abuse what he doesnt understand than make research.

It is time to end the discussion.

brocab:
How do you get that in {Luke 1:28, 42} How do you put these two verses together with just a guess. Mary was Blessed with Child-but she is still a sinner-not because she sinned, but because the fall of Adam and Eve.
{Romans 3:23} We all have sinned and fall sort of the glory of God. Mary is included.
{2 Corinthians 5:21} God made Him, who had no Sin, to be Sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteous of God.
If Jesus were not Sinless, there would be "No sacrifice for Sin.
I hope you are seeing the picture.

blackbriar:
hail ,thou art highly favoured.

remember the angel was a messenger delivering a message, so this was God directly saying HAIL THOU ART HIGHLY FAVOURED.

brocab:
So sin was taken from Mary, because God favoured Her? "Interesting"
We won't find this written in the bible anywhere that say's, Mary was sinless?
I think I understand a pattern here-but it still isn't scriptural, you believe because Jesus was found with no Sin-Mary as His Mother-she is classed as Sinless too. "You have this attitude "Mother like Son-she receives everything God had given to His Son, and because Jesus still lives-Mary's lives.
Am I right?