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blackbriar:
Mary was without ORIGINAL SIN not ACTUAL SIN.
ORIGINAL SIN is what makes all men borne of a woman,Sinners.
And the good lord Christ was borne of a woman, for our sake he became flesh.

brocab:
Why was Mary without original sin, this doesn't make any sense-I am sure Mary would have felt a little pain here and there.
Original sin was brought into the world after Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
First of all, we entered into this world with a fallen nature-this is Adam's sin.
The original sin is something inherent in us, we are all born with Original sin, Original sin manifest itself throughout our lives, in actual sins, the actions, thoughts and feelings we have that violate God's mortal commands.
So our sinful hearts {"Original sins"} cause us to make sinful choices, think sinful thoughts, and feel sinful feelings,
{"Actual sins".}
We are not sinners because we sin, rather we sin, because we are sinners-meaning we are all born totally imprisoned in Original sin. There is no island of goodness left in us.
Mary was born just like every other human being, that was born, she also suffered pain, made choices, and felt sinful feelings.

blackbriar:
it is not found explicitly in scripture but flows from the idea of luke 1:28 and luke 1:42.

if mary had had original sin ,Jesus would have had original sin also.

blackbriar:
hail ,thou art highly favoured.

remember the angel was a messenger delivering a message, so this was God directly saying HAIL THOU ART HIGHLY FAVOURED.

blackbriar:
hail ,thou art highly favoured.

remember the angel was a messenger delivering a message, so this was God directly saying HAIL THOU ART HIGHLY FAVOURED.

Ubenedictus:
he isnt interested in knowing anything, he is happy in ignorance and would rather abuse what he doesnt understand than make research.

It is time to end the discussion.

Ubenedictus:
so you think christianity began in the 16th century?

Babacele:
from the beginning anybody reading this thread knows that I have supported all my claims with different Bible verses and not even a scripture outside of it but each time you guys either dodge, insult , and twist .

One thing you cannot take away is the divine motherhood of Mary . If God Himself honors Mary , whatever you say is irrelevant. Those who call Mary dead, dog, sinner, and all sorts of names can't be part of the generations calling Her Blessed(Luke1:48).

Allow God to judge us poor sinners as we have never claimed to be saints .

blackbriar:
All you have raised are good questions.

and remember two posts back i infer luke 1:28 "HAIL THOU HIGHLY FAVOURED ONE".

if mary had original sin ,christ had to had had original sin.

blackbriar:
oga read the post ,mary's grace was freedom of original sin(the immaculate conception) not actual sin,for indeed all have sinned, if not jesus would have been given birth as a sinner(by original sin).

numbers 23:19.

blackbriar:
oga read the post ,mary's grace was freedom of original sin(the immaculate conception) not actual sin,for indeed all have sinned, if not jesus would have been given birth as a sinner(by original sin).

numbers 23:19.

blackbriar:
Mary was without ORIGINAL SIN not ACTUAL SIN.
ORIGINAL SIN is what makes all men borne of a woman,Sinners.
And the good lord Christ was borne of a woman, for our sake he became flesh.

blackbriar:
All you have raised are good questions.

and remember two posts back i infer luke 1:28 "HAIL THOU HIGHLY FAVOURED ONE".

if mary had original sin ,christ had to had had original sin.

blackbriar:
Mary was without ORIGINAL SIN not ACTUAL SIN.
ORIGINAL SIN is what makes all men borne of a woman,Sinners.
And the good lord Christ was borne of a woman, for our sake he became flesh.

johnw74:
when u briar say Jesus was a sinner
u r also calling God a liar:

1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;




at the same time briar that u say Christ-God was a sinner, u say mary was without inherited sin


u put Christ-God down saying He was a sinner, and raise mary-human up,
like your father the devil has taught u through the rcc

johnw74:
duh, favoured one doesn't mean without sin nature,
rc's beliefs r just out of their own heads, passed down like their sin nature is

whenever u briar quote Bible verses u quote Bible verses that don't support your satanic doctrines
and the reason that u briar quote Bible verses that don't support your satanic doctrines,
is because their are no Bible verses that support your satanic doctrines

johnw74:
@bold, the same repeated lie, which of course u cannot post Bible scripture for

@blue, u have straight out said that Jesus was a sinner.
that mary was free from original sin but Jesus had original sin

u r so evil putting mary above Christ-God, just as your father the devil does,

u briar don't believe God:
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

please bold out where i said christ was with sin? please.

Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

u don't believe God = u hate God.

satan sucesfully convinced eve that she could be like God, just as he tried to be(above God)
satan sucesfully convinced rcc to honour Mary more than Christ-God

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

johnw74:
ha ha ha, the immaculate conception is another rcc satanic doctrine, this one was from pius 1X also
and of course is not Bibical
Jesus being conceived in mary by God was free from sin, but
there is no mention of mary herself being conceived without sin in the Bible
and why would there be
it's just more rcc rot of putting mary before Christ-God.

brocab:
If I was to raised good questions-then how do you come up with the conclusion Jesus had original sin-Is the Holy Spirit sinful too?
{Matthew 1:20} In Matthew it states that the virgin was found to be with child through the Holy spirit, Jesus birth was the result of the Holy Spirit, working in Mary's body.
The immaterial {The Spirit} and the material {Mary's womb} were both involved, if Mary tried to impregnate herself, she couldn't, she was a vessel and only God can perform a miracle of the incarnation.
{Hebrews 7:26} Jesus was not born in sin, it would seem that the sin nature passed down from generation to generation through our earthly fathers, but if you are guessing Jesus had Original sin-because of His earthly Mother Mary-then what does this say about God the Father?
{Romans 5:12, 17, 19} For by the one mans disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the One Mans obedience the many were made righteous.
{Psalm 69:8} Ring a bell, I have became strangers to My brothers, and an alien to My Mothers Children.
And when we look further into it-was Mary remembered as the Holy Mother of God after she had other Children to Joseph. Of course not. Her Children were all sin related, and Sin separates us from God...

brocab:
Why was Mary without original sin, this doesn't make any sense-I am sure Mary would have felt a little pain here and there.
Original sin was brought into the world after Adam and Eve disobeyed God.
First of all, we entered into this world with a fallen nature-this is Adam's sin.
The original sin is something inherent in us, we are all born with Original sin, Original sin manifest itself throughout our lives, in actual sins, the actions, thoughts and feelings we have that violate God's mortal commands.
So our sinful hearts {"Original sins"} cause us to make sinful choices, think sinful thoughts, and feel sinful feelings,
{"Actual sins".}
We are not sinners because we sin, rather we sin, because we are sinners-meaning we are all born totally imprisoned in Original sin. There is no island of goodness left in us.
Mary was born just like every other human being, that was born, she also suffered pain, made choices, and felt sinful feelings.

blackbriar:
All you have raised are good questions.

and remember two posts back i infer luke 1:28 "HAIL THOU HIGHLY FAVOURED ONE".

if mary had original sin ,christ had to had had original sin.

blackbriar:
where did i affirm that christ had original sin?
please read my post carefully.

brocab:
"No" but the 16th Century was a great time when the believers read the bible for the first time, in their own national language, don't you agree? Uben..

Ubenedictus:
i don't agree before the 16cent there were already secondly bible translations in european languages, the word was able to be read by anyone who was educated since latin was the language of education.



The 16cent only saw a rise in heresy and heretics.

brocab:
You did say above-if Mary had original sin, Christ had to had had original sin? These are your Words.

blackbriar:
i am confused about your definitions of original sin and actual sin, could you be more definite about them.

johnw74:
he supports his position with Bible verses, u cannot

blackbriar:
in english does an "if" pass for affirmation?
did you even care to read and understand the post or you were quick to condemn the "evil catholics"?

brocab:
I wasn't really expecting to agree anyhow-Latin May have common to you Uben-Latin wasn't a popular language around that time, it still isn't today..

johnw74:
seeing as u don't have understanding i will say it again:
"truly those who pray before statues and paintings etc. etc. etc. are not part of the body of Christ,"

blackbriar:
where did i affirm that christ had original sin?
please read my post carefully.

Patheos:
Ube and Co una still dey argue with people wey don make up dia mind what else are you trying to explain to them that have not been explained