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johnw74:
what lying accusers rc's are dictus, but it's understandable when one consideres who your god is
Jesus sits on the right hand of the majesty on high, and mary sits on the right hand of Jesus,
that being the case then they both sit on the right hand of the majesty on high, but i know u have been blinded:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

and apart from all your twisting-lying, show from the Bible that mary sits on the right hand of Jesus on the throne of God, come back with that now, u hear

Ubenedictus:
Again you are either lying through your anus or totally ignorant.

Latin was the popular european language in medieval times even till the 17century vernacular werent even popular.


Read and be enlightened.


The 16th century and beyond
Though vernacular languages were
gradually growing in prestige, Latin
continued to be an important language
for written communication in Britain
and Europe into the Early Modern
period.
In documentary sources there is no
significant discontinuity in the use of
Latin between 16th century and earlier
periods: through the Tudor era (Henry
VII to Elizabeth I, ob. 1603) Latin
remains the standard language of
official documents, both state (such as
the Close Roll s, the Charter Rolls , and
especially the Patent Rolls ) and
municipal (such as those collected in the
corpus of the British Borough Charters ).




http://www.dmlbs.ox.ac.uk/british-medieval-latin/contexts/the-16th-century-and-beyond



Medieval Latin was the form of Latin used in
the Middle Ages , primarily: as a medium of
scholarly exchange; as the liturgical language
of Chalcedonian Christianity and the Roman
Catholic Church; and as a language of
science, literature, law, and administration.
Despite the clerical origin of many of its
authors, medieval Latin should not be
confused with Ecclesiastical Latin .


Official status
Official
language in De facto in most Christian
states during the Middle
Ages


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Latin



New Latin was, at least in its early days, an
international language used throughout
Catholic and Protestant Europe, as well as in
the colonies of the major European powers.
This area consisted of most of Europe,
including Central Europe and Scandinavia ; its
southern border was the Mediterranean Sea,
with the division more or less corresponding
to the modern eastern borders of Finland , the
Baltic states, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and
Croatia .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Latin#Extent

Ubenedictus:
You won't agree your sources lied abi? Are these same.


Pope

Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty
on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the
right hand of her Son -




Carm



According to Roman Catholicism: "Mary sits on
the right hand of the majesty on high" (Pope
Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14).

blackbriar:
for goodness sake read and understand, mary was without original sin cos CHRIST had to be free from sin from birth.
you jump into our discussion half way without knowing how we got there.

blackbriar:
Like i said mary was without Original sin and not Actual sin, for if mary had had original sin, what were the consequences for the messiah?

blackbriar:
I repeat , Mary was without original sin and not actual sin.

Ubenedictus:
he is trying to lie, he doesn't wish to learn so he resort to lying.

Ubenedictus:
There are people who bible verses don't help.


2pt 3:13



speaking of these things in all of his letters.
Some of his comments are hard to
understand, and those who are ignorant and
unstable have twisted his letters to mean
something quite different, just as they do
with other parts of Scripture. And this will
result in their destruction.





Jesus 3:12



If I have told you earthly things, and ye
believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you
of heavenly things?

Ubenedictus:
And i repeat, you must have the misguided notion that Christianity began with the iconoclasic Protestants of the 16 century.

Ubenedictus:
You won't agree your sources lied abi? Are these same.


Pope

Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty
on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the
right hand of her Son -




Carm



According to Roman Catholicism: "Mary sits on
the right hand of the majesty on high" (Pope
Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14).

Ubenedictus:
You won't agree your sources lied abi? Are these same.


Pope

Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty
on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the
right hand of her Son -




Carm



According to Roman Catholicism: "Mary sits on
the right hand of the majesty on high" (Pope
Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14).

johnw74:
rc's say mary is without sin
if Mary was sinless, why was she unclean and had to offer a sacrifice for sin?

rc's teach that Mary never sinned. But, if that is the case, why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8] after giving birth to Jesus? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?

Below is a chart that has Leviticus 12 and Luke 2 side by side. You can see from the text that Mary had to offer a sacrifice for uncleanness and as it says in Leviticus 12:8, a sacrifice for sin offering that is an atonement. Why would Mary, if she is sinless as the Roman Catholics assert, be unclean and also need a sacrifice?

blackbriar:
Like i said mary was without Original sin and not Actual sin, for if mary had had original sin, what were the consequences for the messiah?

johnw74:
carm did not lie, u r just a false accuser, of course

with Jesus sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high,
and with mary sitting on the right hand of Jesus,
they are both sitting on the right hand of the majesty on high

pope gave hebrews as reference, but hebrews doesn't mention mary of the right hand of the majesty on high
or mary on the right hand of Jesus

but post Bible verses to prove carm wrong oh accuser,
post bible verses to prove rcc right

brocab:
You say according to the Roman Catholicism, Mary sits on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
What is the name of the book this is written-since the Catholic Church claims to be the guardians of the bible, you must be able to support your beliefs, since the Catholic's had added scriptures to the bible-seven books in question-Tobit, Judith, 1&2 Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecciesiasticus and Baruch, are property called the Deuterocanonical books.
So Uben which book is it written, Mary sits on the right hand of her son?
{2 Maccabees 12} Clearly supports prayers for the dead and the belief in Purgatory.
While the Catholic's make their claims to be the guardians of the bible-it demonstrated its hostility towards God's word-when it added unscriptural books to the Old Testament, namely the Apocrypha.

johnw74:
ha ha, yes, Jesus and Peter were talking about Bible haters like u
that is what u do, when u do use Bible scriptures u twist them to say something else

fact is u haven't posted a single Bible verse that supports your satanic doctrines
of mary being prayed to
of mary being divinity
of mary being free from sin nature etc. etc. etc.

brocab:
You maybe able to fill us in-it isn't written in the bible, that Mary has no original sin-which of the books is it written?
I suppose in one of the 12 books the Catholic Church are using?
I have found in {1 Maccabees 12 } one of the books-you believe you could pray to the dead-and of course you believe in purgatory.
So show me where in the deutercanonical Apocrypha books-Mary has no Original Sin, and show us-Mary sits on her son's right side?
Explain to me, why are these books still in used by the Catholic Church? Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Esslesiasticus, Baruch 1&2 Esdrus, 1&2 Maccabees, the letter of Jeremiah, Prayer of the Manasseh.
The Apocrypha deuterocanonicals supports some of the things the Roman Catholic Catholic believes and practices, which is not in agreement with the bible. Examples are praying for the dead, Petitioning 'saints' in heaven for their prayers, worshipping angels, alms giving, atoning for sins.

johnw74:
u keep repeating what u have been taught to believe
but u cannot support your false doctrines from the Bible

evil men have told u to pray to mary angels and other people, and u r quick to follow them


Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6  But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9  After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53  Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;




u now have the Bible to see if whatever they have told u is true,
but u would still rather believe evil men who have taught u satans lies,
than believe God.

in so doing u call God a liar.

brocab:
I am sure we could argue this one out as long as it takes.
{1 Corinthians 14:19}Paul said: In a Church, I would rather speak Five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousands words in an unknown tongue.
So I myself-would prefer to speak a language everyone could understand-than speaking a language, no-one can understand.
The 16th century there were no public schools, and literacy wasn't that common, especially among the peasants, the people who could read had been well educated and could read Latin. I remember even in the sixties Latin was used throughout the Catholic Churches.
We must always remember the Jews had kept their bible in Hebrew until the 19th century, and the Jews weren't interested in the Latin Language, everybody who wanted to learn to read the bible-had to learn Hebrew "The Church fought hard to keep the bible written in Latin, even though it could not be understood, by most people of that time.
But thanks, for your hard work Uben-it must have taken you so much of your time-to complete it.

blackbriar:
i have answered you about mary and original sin in my past post.
i do believe in purgatory,your orientation of purgatory is the issue.
i thought the apocryphal books were bel and dragon,gospel of thomas etc and not the first 8 you mentioned.
the first 8 you mentioned are and is part of the canon, they were removed by fr. luther during the protestant reformation.
wait you are xtian and u dont do alms giving(dats weird and wrong) Psalm 72:3-4
john 20:24.

Ubenedictus:
You see him you have contradicted yourself?

1. First you claim the Church kept the bible in Latin to prevent the people from reading it.
Now you admit that anybody who could read at that time, any literate person could read Latin too.

That means anyone who was literate i. E could read was able to read the bible as Latin was the international language of education all over Europe.


2. You also admit the Jews kept their bible in Hebrew, does that mean they were also hiding the bible or are you only biased against the catholic Church who actually made sure the bible was available in the language every educated person knew and read.

blackbriar:
I pray "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT"...which is the most blessed trinity.
and i also acknowledge the model of all prayers "Pater noster, que es in caelis"

Ubenedictus:
Jesus 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye
believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you
of heavenly things?

Ubenedictus:
Pope
Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty
on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the
right hand of her Son -
Carm
According to Roman Catholicism: "Mary sits on
the right hand of the majesty on high" (Pope
Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14).
Johnw74


They said the same thing.



Oya continue lying.

Ubenedictus:
You seem largely misguided,

1. I never said the words in bold actually, it is the of position johnw74 lied that the pope said those words.


2. I won't be debating bible passages with you Since i am convinced they won't help your deluded dislike of the catholic Church.

3. The catholic Church didn't insert the duetero-canonical books they have been part of the bible since the bible was compiled in the 4th century, it was luther and Co who removed them because it didn't fit their Protestant theories, doctrines and heresy.

Ubenedictus:
Jesus 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye
believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you
of heavenly things?

johnw74:
....

fact is u haven't posted a single Bible verse that supports your satanic doctrines
of mary being prayed to
of mary being divinity
of mary being free from sin nature etc. etc. etc.

blackbriar:
I pray "IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT"...which is the most blessed trinity.
and i also acknowledge the model of all prayers "Pater noster, que es in caelis"

Ubenedictus:
You see him you have contradicted yourself?

1. First you claim the Church kept the bible in Latin to prevent the people from reading it.
Now you admit that anybody who could read at that time, any literate person could read Latin too.

That means anyone who was literate i. E could read was able to read the bible as Latin was the international language of education all over Europe.


2. You also admit the Jews kept their bible in Hebrew, does that mean they were also hiding the bible or are you only biased against the catholic Church who actually made sure the bible was available in the language every educated person knew and read.

johnw74:
another rc priest is to face the court over sexual assault of minors,
this time a cardinal, cardinal pell, personal adviser to the pope

with the rcc being rife with priests comitting sexual assault on children
it's clear that their god-their originator of church doctrine which goes against God's word, is satan.

satan loves to put God last, and he has rc's praying to mary more than to God
10 hail marys to 1 our Father

satan has rcc honouring mary a creation, more than God the creator etc. etc.

one only has to search online to learn all the evil of rcc,
clearly anyone who belongs to satans church, it is because he-she want's to

johnw74:
your beliefs are anti Bibical
Jesus only acknowledges one model of prayer, and that is prayer to only God Himself

Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

blackbriar:
CHAI..........NA WA, I dont even know how to respond to you.
Isn't the most holy blessed trinity,GOD?
What is the "Pater Noster"?