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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by blackbriar: 1:13pm On Aug 04, 2017

brocab:
We actually feel the same about you, you had refuse to give us the truth about anything you claim it's true.
Every verse you have produce, just doesn't line up with the Word of God, Jesus sits on His Fathers right side-but where is Mary?
Guessing isn't good enough-we need to evidence-But as usual when it is time to lay your evidence out on the table-everyone of you-hide behind each other, hoping the heats claim.
None of you have come up with scriptures that matches your theories! The bible isn't a guessing game-its full of facts-truth-that God's Spirit had inspired apostles to write a super natural-Spirit filled book called the bible.
You aren't any different to any other religion, the JW's do it, the Mormons do it, the Muslims do it, "all" claim to know Christ and yet, all of you-turn your backs against His Word, playing the guessing game-making up stories-that none of them line up with the Word of God.

all you wrote up there just confirmed that you did not read any of our post.you were all but just criticising all the way.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by obiw24(f): 4:09pm On Aug 04, 2017

Dear Catholics, please stop responding to these threads that have been started by people with no understanding of the Catholic faith.
Why do you feel the need to prove them wrong? As long as you know you serve the one and only true God and none other, why bother with what the nay Sayers have to say?

This is something I do whenever people confront my faith like that and it may help you. I point them to the Catholic beliefs vua the following link http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM , and advice then to attend one or two Spirit filled masses.
So far none of them have done these things. But if they ever do, and have any Valid questions, I'm more than happy to assist them with it.
Till then I don't bother engaging in the conversation. I let my life speak for me. If you can't deduce that I serve a living God by my life, then I don't know what will convince you.
My people, Biko desist from arguments that lead nowhere. Read Romans 14.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by obiw24(f): 4:21pm On Aug 04, 2017

johnw74:
rc's say mary is without sin
if Mary was sinless, why was she unclean and had to offer a sacrifice for sin?

rc's teach that Mary never sinned. But, if that is the case, why did she need to offer an atonement according to Old Testament Law (Lev. 12:1-8] after giving birth to Jesus? According to the Old Testament, it was only the mother who needed purifying after a birth because of the issue of blood. She was ritually unclean. If she had a male child, the days of her period of uncleanness was seven days, then the child was circumcised, then she remained unclean for 33 days (v. 4)--for a total of 40 days. If she bore a female child, her period of uncleanness would be 14 days plus 66 days for a total of 80 days. Notice in Leviticus 12:2 it says if she bears a male child, she shall be unclean for seven days. If Mary was sinless, how could she also be unclean?

Below is a chart that has Leviticus 12 and Luke 2 side by side. You can see from the text that Mary had to offer a sacrifice for uncleanness and as it says in Leviticus 12:8, a sacrifice for sin offering that is an atonement. Why would Mary, if she is sinless as the Roman Catholics assert, be unclean and also need a sacrifice?

Sir, you seem to be the only one bringing up valid points.
I too have struggled with the sinless theology.
Based on my reflections, I think this theology is as a result of the idea that anyone that was a vessel for our beloved savior Jesus had to be sinless.
We really don't want to believe that she was. Just as sinful as the rest of us.
That being said, it is my understanding that we honour Mary for the role she played in our salvation.
What she did was no easy feat. The same way we eulogize mothers of great people in Africa.
We also ask her to pray for us as you would ask your brother or sister when in a fix. Asking her to pray does not in anyway take away our obligation to pray for ourselves.
The Catholic Church believes that there is a body of believers in heaven which comprises of Mary and all the dearly departed that have made it there. Hence, we freely ask them to pray for us whenever we feel the need for intercessory prayers.
Again, our requests for intercession never replace our obligations to pray for ourselves.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 11:26pm On Aug 04, 2017

blackbriar:
CHAI..........NA WA, I dont even know how to respond to you.
Isn't the most holy blessed trinity,GOD?
What is the "Pater Noster"?

duh, Jesus didn't pray to Himself, He prayed to Father
u need everything explained to u, and then u still don't believe God(as in below verses),
but believe what your anti Bibical church tells u,
Christians pray to God, not to mary and others

Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 12:11am On Aug 05, 2017*

obiw24:
Sir, you seem to be the only one bringing up valid points.
I too have struggled with the sinless theology.
Based on my reflections, I think this theology is as a result of the idea that anyone that was a vessel for our beloved savior Jesus had to be sinless.
We really don't want to believe that she was. Just as sinful as the rest of us.
That being said, it is my understanding that we honour Mary for the role she played in our salvation. What she did was no easy feat.

Our Salvation is due to Jesus Christ alone:
Act_4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

obiw24:
The same way we eulogize mothers of great people in Africa.
We also ask her to pray for us as you would ask your brother or sister when in a fix. Asking her to pray does not in anyway take away our obligation to pray for ourselves.
The Catholic Church believes that there is a body of believers in heaven which comprises of Mary and all the dearly departed that have made it there. Hence, we freely ask them to pray for us whenever we feel the need for intercessory prayers.
Again, our requests for intercession never replace our obligations to pray for ourselves.

asking your brothers and sisters to pray for u is Bibical,
asking people who have died to pray for u is not

praying to mary is unbibical and therefor not from God,
if it's not from God then it is surely from His arch rival satan,

the devil hates Christians communing with God, like God's children should

and i'm sure the devil laughs when he sees u doing his will,
and praying to angels, and to humans who have died
there is only one intercessor-mediator between God and man:
1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 12:32am On Aug 05, 2017

obiw24:
Dear Catholics, please stop responding to these threads that have been started by people with no understanding of the Catholic faith.
Why do you feel the need to prove them wrong? As long as you know you serve the one and only true God and none other, why bother with what the nay Sayers have to say?

This is something I do whenever people confront my faith like that and it may help you. I point them to the Catholic beliefs vua the following link http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM , and advice then to attend one or two Spirit filled masses.
So far none of them have done these things. But if they ever do, and have any Valid questions, I'm more than happy to assist them with it.
Till then I don't bother engaging in the conversation. I let my life speak for me. If you can't deduce that I serve a living God by my life, then I don't know what will convince you.
My people, Biko desist from arguments that lead nowhere. Read Romans 14.

duh, really, those who know rcc doctrine to be un Bibical, have not taken up your challenge to read a years worth of reading of rcc false doctrines from that site
gee i wonder why?

and then go and attend two satan spirit filled masses, why would they?

So far none of them have done these things.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:00am On Aug 05, 2017

more lies of rcc

mary the subject of preaching and worship

From Vatican Collection Volume 1, Vatican Council II, The Conciliar and Post Conciliar documents. General Editor Austin Flannery, O.P. New revised edition 1992; Costello publishing company, Northport, New York. 1992 pages 420-421 (par. 65)

(To see the scanned documents showing the book and quote, go to
Mary the subject of preaching and worship: documents)

65. But while in the most Blessed Virgin the church has already reached that perfection whereby she exists without spot or wrinkle (cf. Eph. 5:27), the faithful still strive to conquer sin and increase in holiness. And so they turn their eyes to Mary who shines forth to the whole community of the elect as the model of virtues. Devoutly meditating on her and contemplating her in the light of the Word made man, the Church reverently penetrates more deeply into the great mystery of the Incarnation and becomes more and more like her spouse. Having entered deeply into the history of salvation, Mary, in a way, unites in her person and re-echoes the most important doctrines of the Faith: and when she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father. Seeking after the glory of Christ, the Church becomes more like her lofty type, and continually progresses in faith, hope and charity, seeking and doing the will of God in all things. The Church, therefore, in her apostolic work too, rightly looks to her who gave birth to Christ, who was thus conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, in order that through the church he could be born and increase in the hearts of the faithful. In her life the Virgin has been a model of that motherly love with which all who joined in the church's apostolic mission for the regeneration of mankind should be animated.

IV. THE CULT OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN IN THE CHURCH1

66. Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place second only to her Son, as the most holy Mother of God who was involved in the mysteries of Christ: she is rightly honored by a special cult in the Church. From the earliest times the Blessed Virgin is honored under the title of Mother of God, whose protection the faithful take refuge together in prayer in all their perils and needs. Accordingly, following the Council of Ephesus, there was a remarkable growth in the cult of the people of God towards Mary, in veneration and love, in invocation and imitation, according to her own prophetic words: "all generations shall call me Blessed, because he that is mighty hath done great things to me," (Luke 1:48).
Comments on this passage

Nowhere in Scripture are we told to put our eyes upon anyone other than the Lord himself. We are told to fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith (Heb. 12:2). In addition, it is Jesus who is the model of virtue--not Mary. Though she was greatly blessed and undoubtedly a godly woman, she still needed a savior. Mary said, "And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior." (Luke 1:47). Contrary to the Roman Catholic teaching that Mary was sinless, Mary herself admitted that God was her savior. A sinless person does not need a savior. It is in the person of Jesus that grace and truth (and virtue) are best exemplified. Our eyes should be kept on him.
"Spouse"? Still researching to discover what is meant. The Catholic church doesn't seem to be too clear on this.
The only proper object of preaching and worship is God. Jesus said, " . . . You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only." (Matt. 4:10). The incredible danger of making a person other than God, such as Mary, the subject of both preaching and worship is warned about in Exodus 20:4-5, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me." God clearly warns against creating any idol before which anyone should bow. It goes without saying that the countless images of Mary strewn throughout Catholic churches all over the world are most assuredly shrines of idolatry since thousands of times a day Catholics over the world break the commandment of God by bowing before these images in worship.
We should look to Christ alone. When you take your eyes off of Jesus and put them on anything else, or anyone else, you will be led astray.
Where is this taught in Scripture? Where does it say that Mary was exalted above angels and men second only to her son? This would mean that Mary is just under Jesus, the creator of the universe, in position. Vatican II's comments are not biblical. This teaching cannot be found in Scripture and should be abandoned.
This is a misleading term. Mary is not the Mother of God in the sense that God, the creator of the universe, had a mom. The divine nature has no mother since God is eternal and self-sufficient. Rather, Mary is the mother of the human nature of Jesus--not the mother of the divine nature. The human nature took its biological essence from Mary. The divine nature is from God. But we have to be careful here. Mary is, however, the mother of the person of Christ who has two natures: divine and human. Roman Catholics use the ambiguity of the term to elevate Mary to a place she should not be and in so doing--promote their idolatry.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:06am On Aug 05, 2017

with rc's worshipping and praying to people who have died, and say 10 hail mary's to one our Father etc.
it's obvious that they take after their father-god satan, and they hate the true God,
and the true God long ago confirmed it:

rc's hate God:
(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:12am On Aug 05, 2017*

"First" We read them all-but none of what you claim are facts-and you expect us to agree with you-Mary sits on Jesus right side-or she was found with no original sin.
We need the evidence from you-but you can't seem to produce it-because your evidence isn't written in the bible.
The Catholic Church teaches outside the written Word of God-"sample" The bible teaches Jesus sits on the throne of God-the Catholic's teach Mary's sits on her Son's right side of the throne. Even if Jesus is sitting on God's right side-this doesn't prefer to Mary sitting on Jesus right side.
{Revelation 3:21} To him who overcome will I grant to sit with Me on My Throne, even as I also overcame, and sit down with My Father on His throne.
So where did you say-Mary is sitting? It doesn't matter what the Catholic's believe-the fact is, the Word said: we all sit with Jesus on His throne, and His throne is His Fathers throne.
Mary either sits on His throne-or she doesn't sit on One at all.

Now lets start with Original sin. The bible states this.
{Romans 3:25} For all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God.
Original sin is also known as ancestral sin, is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin resulting from the fall of Man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Now the Catholic Church states this.
Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin"..
The Catholic Church teaches that every human person born on this earth is made in the image of God..
The Catholic's also believe God's first covenant with humanity, through Adam, was broken through the original sin, God had created a covenant in Jesus Christ, the prefect sacrifice.
Jesus had given us away to enter into the new covenant. through Baptism. Baptism removes original sin. and any personal sin, and cleanses the soul making it new and fresh.
It makes one a new creature in Christ, God invites into His covenant with Him freely and it is up to us to choose to enter into it, and uphold our end of the bargain..

Now me-What if we don't hold up our end of the bargain, then what? A we still sinners.}

blackbriar:
all you wrote up there just confirmed that you did not read any of our post.you were all but just criticising all the way.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by obiw24(f): 9:28pm On Aug 06, 2017

johnw74:
with rc's worshipping and praying to people who have died, and say 10 hail mary's to one our Father etc.
it's obvious that they take after their father-god satan, and they hate the true God,
and the true God long ago confirmed it:

Did you know the rosary represents less than 5% of the prayers we say everyday? Look up the rosary of liberation, the divine mercy chaplet and the thank you Jesus chaplet.

rc's hate God:
(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

The image part has been dealt with previously. God knows exactly where my heart is when I pray so I don't need to defend it to humans who only see what's on the outside and draw the conclusions they desire.

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by obiw24(f): 9:33pm On Aug 06, 2017

johnw74:
more lies of rcc

mary the subject of preaching and worship

From Vatican Collection Volume 1, Vatican Council II, The Conciliar and Post Conciliar documents. General Editor Austin Flannery, O.P. New revised edition 1992; Costello publishing company, Northport, New York. 1992 pages 420-421 (par. 65)

(To see the scanned documents showing the book and quote, go to
Mary the subject of preaching and worship: documents)

65. But while in the most Blessed Virgin the church has already reached that perfection whereby she exists without spot or wrinkle (cf. Eph. 5:27), the faithful still strive to conquer sin and increase in holiness. And so they turn their eyes to Mary who shines forth to the whole community of the elect as the model of virtues. Devoutly meditating on her and contemplating her in the light of the Word made man, the Church reverently penetrates more deeply into the great mystery of the Incarnation and becomes more and more like her spouse. Having entered deeply into the history of salvation, Mary, in a way, unites in her person and re-echoes the most important doctrines of the Faith: and when she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father. Seeking after the glory of Christ, the Church becomes more like her lofty type, and continually progresses in faith, hope and charity, seeking and doing the will of God in all things. The Church, therefore, in her apostolic work too, rightly looks to her who gave birth to Christ, who was thus conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, in order that through the church he could be born and increase in the hearts of the faithful. In her life the Virgin has been a model of that motherly love with which all who joined in the church's apostolic mission for the regeneration of mankind should be animated.

IV. THE CULT OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN IN THE CHURCH1

66. Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place second only to her Son, as the most holy Mother of God who was involved in the mysteries of Christ: she is rightly honored by a special cult in the Church. From the earliest times the Blessed Virgin is honored under the title of Mother of God, whose protection the faithful take refuge together in prayer in all their perils and needs. Accordingly, following the Council of Ephesus, there was a remarkable growth in the cult of the people of God towards Mary, in veneration and love, in invocation and imitation, according to her own prophetic words: "all generations shall call me Blessed, because he that is mighty hath done great things to me," (Luke 1:48).
Comments on this passage

Nowhere in Scripture are we told to put our eyes upon anyone other than the Lord himself. We are told to fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith (Heb. 12:2). In addition, it is Jesus who is the model of virtue--not Mary. Though she was greatly blessed and undoubtedly a godly woman, she still needed a savior. Mary said, "And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior." (Luke 1:47). Contrary to the Roman Catholic teaching that Mary was sinless, Mary herself admitted that God was her savior. A sinless person does not need a savior. It is in the person of Jesus that grace and truth (and virtue) are best exemplified. Our eyes should be kept on him.
"Spouse"? Still researching to discover what is meant. The Catholic church doesn't seem to be too clear on this.
The only proper object of preaching and worship is God. Jesus said, " . . . You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only." (Matt. 4:10). The incredible danger of making a person other than God, such as Mary, the subject of both preaching and worship is warned about in Exodus 20:4-5, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me." God clearly warns against creating any idol before which anyone should bow. It goes without saying that the countless images of Mary strewn throughout Catholic churches all over the world are most assuredly shrines of idolatry since thousands of times a day Catholics over the world break the commandment of God by bowing before these images in worship.
We should look to Christ alone. When you take your eyes off of Jesus and put them on anything else, or anyone else, you will be led astray.
Where is this taught in Scripture? Where does it say that Mary was exalted above angels and men second only to her son? This would mean that Mary is just under Jesus, the creator of the universe, in position. Vatican II's comments are not biblical. This teaching cannot be found in Scripture and should be abandoned.
This is a misleading term. Mary is not the Mother of God in the sense that God, the creator of the universe, had a mom. The divine nature has no mother since God is eternal and self-sufficient. Rather, Mary is the mother of the human nature of Jesus--not the mother of the divine nature. The human nature took its biological essence from Mary. The divine nature is from God. But we have to be careful here. Mary is, however, the mother of the person of Christ who has two natures: divine and human. Roman Catholics use the ambiguity of the term to elevate Mary to a place she should not be and in so doing--promote their idolatry.

I'm not entirely sure this Vatican extract proves your point because it clearly states that Jesus is the savior.
No Catholic has ever said that Mary was there in the beginning and she gave birth to God so I'm not sure the "God has a mom" arguement has a place here. Same as her being placed above all including Jesus.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by obiw24(f): 9:43pm On Aug 06, 2017

Everyone should learn how to focus on what's important...their personal relationship with God.

Stop trying to force your beliefs down anyone's throat. You don't see Catholics going trying to force you to worship as we do.
Ask yourself what the real source of your vex with the Catholic Church is...maybe even speak to God about it.

The God I serve is a God of love and peace not one of bitterness and name calling.

I wonder the God you serve...

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 11:25pm On Aug 06, 2017*

Its always the case-you can only see us pushing the Word of God, the truth about our Father who art in Heaven-Hallowed be thy name-your kingdom Come your will be done on Earth that it is in Heaven, this is the written prayer, you Catholic's can't seem to come to terms with.
We are Christians witnessing His Word across the nations, and because of Him, we will push the truth across the four corners on the Earth, as far as God allows us to go-we will be there.
If this is the case you are feeling we are pushing the truth down your throats, praise the Lord-someone is listening.

obiw24:
Everyone should learn how to focus on what's important...their personal relationship with God.

Stop trying to force your beliefs down anyone's throat. You don't see Catholics going trying to force you to worship as we do.
Ask yourself what the real source of your vex with the Catholic Church is...maybe even speak to God about it.

The God I serve is a God of love and peace not one of bitterness and name calling.

I wonder the God you serve...

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:21am On Aug 07, 2017

And Jesus is our savior-He is also our mediator-which of course the Catholic's has many mediators.
There is no room for other doctrines, where the Catholic's seem to rely upon another-our job is to bring the truth to the people-Jesus said: one must be born again, before he can enter into the kingdom of God-Baptising them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Next question-are you willing to know the bible-second question are you willing to be saved?
Pushing it down your throat as you call it-doesn't cover it, witnessing the truth does.
The truth is the Catholic's have there own doctrine, which of course it doesn't line up with the Word of God-we are here to show you-there is only One doctrine, the bible-and if it isn't written-it isn't the truth.
In love-we are challenging you, to become a lover of God-as we are.

obiw24:
I'm not entirely sure this Vatican extract proves your point because it clearly states that Jesus is the savior.
No Catholic has ever said that Mary was there in the beginning and she gave birth to God so I'm not sure the "God has a mom" arguement has a place here. Same as her being placed above all including Jesus.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:00am On Aug 07, 2017

obiw24:
Did you know the rosary represents less than 5% of the prayers we say everyday? Look up the rosary of liberation, the divine mercy chaplet and the thank you Jesus chaplet.

Christians would not pray around 5% of their prayer time to any one but God
nor would we pray in front of statues either
nor would we say the same prayer over and over again

obiw24:
The image part has been dealt with previously. God knows exactly where my heart is when I pray so I don't need to defend it to humans who only see what's on the outside and draw the conclusions they desire.

yes God knows that your heart is with mary when u pray to mary:

quote:
hail mary full of grace
blessed art thou among women
holy mary

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:10am On Aug 07, 2017

obiw24:
I'm not entirely sure this Vatican extract proves your point because it clearly states that Jesus is the savior.
No Catholic has ever said that Mary was there in the beginning and she gave birth to God so I'm not sure the "God has a mom" arguement has a place here. Same as her being placed above all including Jesus.

u r blinded,read it again
Christians raise up no one but God

rc's have raised up mary on a pedestal, even her statues,

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:31am On Aug 07, 2017*

obiw24:
Everyone should learn how to focus on what's important...their personal relationship with God.

Stop trying to force your beliefs down anyone's throat. You don't see Catholics going trying to force you to worship as we do.
Ask yourself what the real source of your vex with the Catholic Church is...maybe even speak to God about it.

my vex with rc is that u use church doctrine to try and prove your beliefs,
and u reject all of God's word that has been posted here, go back and read oh blind one.

Does God's word-the Bible show that mary is to be prayed to?
does God's word-the Bible show that mary is divinity?
does God's word-the Bible show that mary is without inherited sin nature, etc. etc. etc.?

obiw24:
The God I serve is a God of love and peace not one of bitterness and name calling.
I wonder the God you serve...

Christians serve the God of the Bible, and as u rc's don't, then your above statment is a lie:

The God I serve is a God of love and peace not one of bitterness and name calling.

^^^ @bold, satan is nothing like that, he even has u praying not only to people who have died, but before paintings and statues etc.

@underline, truth isn't bitterness and name calling, but to u who reject God's word for your false doctrines would say it is

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:39am On Aug 07, 2017

brocab:
And Jesus is our savior-He is also our mediator-which of course the Catholic's has many mediators.
There is no room for other doctrines, where the Catholic's seem to rely upon another-our job is to bring the truth to the people-Jesus said: one must be born again, before he can enter into the kingdom of God-Baptising them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Next question-are you willing to know the bible-second question are you willing to be saved?
Pushing it down your throat as you call it-doesn't cover it, witnessing the truth does.
The truth is the Catholic's have there own doctrine, which of course it doesn't line up with the Word of God-we are here to show you-there is only One doctrine, the bible-and if it isn't written-it isn't the truth.
In love-we are challenging you, to become a lover of God-as we are.

Yes bro rc's hate God, and of course they don't believe God who said so:
(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by johnw74: 1:56am On Aug 07, 2017

obiw24:
I wonder the God you serve...

u r right in wondering, u rc's don't know Him because u don't know His word-the Bible

Christians serve the God of the Bible, which u certinally don't according to your using church doctrine as proof of your claims,
and by your rejecting the Bible verses posted here which r given as our proofs.

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:12am On Aug 07, 2017*

Isn't this true-the Catholic's feel we are pushing the Word of God down there throats. Praise God for that-at least someone is listening.
It took it's toll brother-but hey-the Word of God is alive and active, sharper then any two edged sword.{Hebrews 4:12}
These scriptures below are unrecognisable to the Catholic's, they wouldn't have a clue how the Word acts-it is quick and powerful, the Word penetrates as far as separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow, it is a discerner of the thoughts and intends of the heart..
And you my friend-praise the Lord forevermore-you are a blessing-to us all.

johnw74:
Yes bro rc's hate God, and of course they don't believe God who said so:
(Exo 20:4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exo 20:5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 8:34am On Aug 07, 2017

God knows where your heart is-we also know where your heart is-and we know it isn't where you think it is-fully with the Word of God-the Bible say's one must be a born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God.
Are you born again, are you saved, were you filled with the Holy spirit, is Christ living in you-is the spirit teaching you, Who is your mediator, whom do you seek.
Can Mary save you, can she pray for you, can the saints pray for you, who is your mediator, whom do you seek.

obiw24:
The image part has been dealt with previously. God knows exactly where my heart is when I pray so I don't need to defend it to humans who only see what's on the outside and draw the conclusions they desire.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:06am On Aug 07, 2017

Yes and we do have our personal relationship with God-serving and obeying our God' only to spread the Word of God across the nations as far as the Lord allows us to go.
The Lord see's our passion-He see's our love-He had given us His wisdom, His knowledge, and His support, His blessing's-His anointing-to preach His anointed Word to the Gentiles.
True Christians love the truth about God-Claiming to be a Christian' and not loving the Word of God is another matter-now look at you, "we always find it's the atheist that winches?

obiw24:
Everyone should learn how to focus on what's important...their personal relationship with God.

Stop trying to force your beliefs down anyone's throat. You don't see Catholics going trying to force you to worship as we do.
Ask yourself what the real source of your vex with the Catholic Church is...maybe even speak to God about it.

The God I serve is a God of love and peace not one of bitterness and name calling.

I wonder the God you serve...

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 10:38am On Aug 07, 2017

obiw24 you are a learner oo shocked

why argue with people who have made up their mind that the Catholic Church who has been the only Christian Church on earth for 1500yrs before all these mushrooms churches is evil and they are the one that is right and are the true Christians undecided

making themselves infallible even tho they don't admit it grin

.If they are not infallible why should i risk joining them when they might be wrong? Nah those who get una time sha......mtcheeeew undecided

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 1:59pm On Aug 07, 2017*

Patheos:
obiw24 you are a learner oo why argue with people who have made up their mind that the Catholic Church who has been the only Christian Church on earth for 1500yrs before all these mushrooms churches is evil and they are the one that is right and are the true Christians making themselves infallible even tho they don't admit it .If they are not infallible why should i risk joining them when they might be wrong? Nah those who get una time sha......mtcheeeew

If they are not infallible why should i risk joining them when they might be wrong? Nah those who get una time sha......mtcheeeew undecided

Do you realised what you have written, and said: we might be wrong? Does this mean-you aren't sure?
Does this also mean-you are afraid of the truth-and the truth is not found in you, and the truth still maybe out there to be discovered.
Don't you realised-every Word we have preached is the bible written Word of God-is this what you are so afraid off-that-you may change your ways from religion, to God Himself.

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 2:10pm On Aug 07, 2017

brocab:
If they are not infallible why should i risk joining them when they might be wrong? Nah those who get una time sha......mtcheeeew
Have I just noticed you had said: we might be wrong? Does this mean-you aren't sure?
Does this also mean-you are afraid of the truth-and the truth is not found in you, and the truth still maybe out there to be discovered.
Don't you realised-every Word we have preached is the bible written Word of God-is this what you are so afraid off-that-you may change your ways from religion, to God Himself.

You mean your truth and interpretations grin

mtcheeew

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:13pm On Aug 07, 2017

Don't you realise by reading the bible-the truth will set you free.
All are you prefering the bible to be a lie?

Patheos:
You mean your truth and interpretations mtcheeew

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 2:18pm On Aug 07, 2017

IS THIS WHAT YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THE BIBLES INTERPRETATION IS A LIE?

Patheos:
You mean your truth and interpretations mtcheeew

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 2:25pm On Aug 07, 2017

brocab:
IS THIS WHAT YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THE BIBLES INTERPRETATION IS A LIE?

Where did Bible interpret huh

no be your interpretation again huh

Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 3:03pm On Aug 07, 2017

Did you know-my interpretation is not my own-but the Word of God is.
Do you realise every scripture we write comes directly from the bible.
Do you not understand the Word of God and not recognise the truth.
1500 years you say-means nothing-it just means a stone building called the Vatican-that stood in Rome before Christians came to pass.
Is this your Church, you believe that stands mighty above all Churches? Is this something to brag over-one stone was laid upon the other-and the corner stone was rejected by the Church builders.
{Isaiah 29:13} The Lord say's these people came near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me, their worship is based on merely human rules, they have been taught.
Does this sound like the Catholic Church, they were taught by their rules-they honor Christ with their mouths, honor Him with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him, 'Whom do you seek-Mary and the saints, whom do you honor, Mary and the saints, whom do you pray, Mary and the saints.
Is this my interpretation-or is this somewhat the truth?

Patheos:
Where did Bible interpret no be your interpretation again

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 3:53pm On Aug 07, 2017

brocab:
Did you know-my interpretation is not my own-but the Word of God is.
Do you realise every scripture we write comes directly from the bible.
Do you not understand the Word of God and not recognise the truth.
1500 years you say-means nothing-it just means a stone building called the Vatican-that stood in Rome before Christians came to pass.
Is this your Church, you believe that stands mighty above all Churches? Is this something to brag over-one stone was laid upon the other-and the corner stone was rejected by the Church builders.
{Isaiah 29:13} The Lord say's these people came near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me, their worship is based on merely human rules, they have been taught.
Does this sound like the Catholic Church, they were taught by their rules-they honor Christ with their mouths, honor Him with their lips, but their hearts are far from Him, 'Whom do you seek-Mary and the saints, whom do you honor, Mary and the saints, whom do you pray, Mary and the saints.
Is this my interpretation-or is this somewhat the truth?

I no blame you, nah ma fault say i reply you embarassed

.....well sha enjoy this last quote from me in this thread

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by obiw24(f): 10:35pm On Aug 07, 2017

Patheos:
obiw24 you are a learner oo why argue with people who have made up their mind that the Catholic Church who has been the only Christian Church on earth for 1500yrs before all these mushrooms churches is evil and they are the one that is right and are the true Christians making themselves infallible even tho they don't admit it .If they are not infallible why should i risk joining them when they might be wrong? Nah those who get una time sha......mtcheeeew

No be lie u talk o! Na me find trouble.
grin

Imagine say I dey try reason with person wet think say e sabi me pass as I take sabi myself.
So tey e wan tell me wetin dey my mind. cheesy

I never see this kind thing before. cheesy

I'm done sha cos clearly some people just like to dey post epistle for NL cheesy

The Lord be with you Biko . I've had enough of this comedy show tonight.

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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:15am On Aug 08, 2017*

If you had opened your eye's up in the first place-you would have seen the written Word of God, telling you to get out from amongst them.
{2 Corinthians 6:16-17} What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God, As God had said: I will live with them, and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people.
Therefore come out from among them, and be separated, say's the Lord, touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.
Is this not the description the Word of God-had described of Rome-1500 years the Catholic Church, had stood, and 1500 years and still it is full of dead mans bones, full of idols-of images of Mary and the saints.
Listen to God-He said: come out from amongst them, separate yourselves, and follow Him and He will set you free.

obiw24:
No be lie u talk o! Na me find trouble.

Imagine say I dey try reason with person wet think say e sabi me pass as I take sabi myself.
So tey e wan tell me wetin dey my mind.
I never see this kind thing before.
I'm done sha cos clearly some people just like to dey post epistle for NL
The Lord be with you Biko . I've had enough of this comedy show tonight.

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