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Patheos:
obiw24 you are a learner oo why argue with people who have made up their mind that the Catholic Church who has been the only Christian Church on earth for 1500yrs before all these mushrooms churches is evil and they are the one that is right and are the true Christians making themselves infallible even tho they don't admit it .If they are not infallible why should i risk joining them when they might be wrong? Nah those who get una time sha......mtcheeeew

italo:
You don't want to know why non-Catholics kneel and bow to their beds? Is bowing to a bed not idolatry?

Are you sure the Bible condemns repetitive prayers of Catholics?

Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’

who was, and is, and is to come.”

These heavenly beings are obviously very Catholic then. They keep repeating the same prayer forever and ever.

Jesus is also Catholic. He prayed the the cup should pass over him using the same thing THREE times.

The Bible condemns all of us, right?

johnw74:
duh, Jesus didn't pray to Himself, He prayed to Father
u need everything explained to u, and then u still don't believe God(as in below verses),
but believe what your anti Bibical church tells u,
Christians pray to God, not to mary and others

Jesus said when you pray, pray to thy Father:
Mat_6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Jesus said this is how you pray:
Mat_6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Jesus prays to Father:
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

brocab:
"First" We read them all-but none of what you claim are facts-and you expect us to agree with you-Mary sits on Jesus right side-or she was found with no original sin.
We need the evidence from you-but you can't seem to produce it-because your evidence isn't written in the bible.
The Catholic Church teaches outside the written Word of God-"sample" The bible teaches Jesus sits on the throne of God-the Catholic's teach Mary's sits on her Son's right side of the throne. Even if Jesus is sitting on God's right side-this doesn't prefer to Mary sitting on Jesus right side.
{Revelation 3:21} To him who overcome will I grant to sit with Me on My Throne, even as I also overcame, and sit down with My Father on His throne.
So where did you say-Mary is sitting? It doesn't matter what the Catholic's believe-the fact is, the Word said: we all sit with Jesus on His throne, and His throne is His Fathers throne.
Mary either sits on His throne-or she doesn't sit on One at all.


Now lets start with Original sin. The bible states this.
{Romans 3:25} For all have sinned and all fall short of the glory of God.
Original sin is also known as ancestral sin, is the Christian doctrine of humanity's state of sin resulting from the fall of Man, stemming from Adam and Eve's rebellion in Eden, namely the sin of disobedience in consuming of the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Now the Catholic Church states this.
Adam and Eve transmitted to their descendants human nature wounded by their own first sin and hence deprived of original holiness and justice; this deprivation is called "original sin"..
The Catholic Church teaches that every human person born on this earth is made in the image of God..
The Catholic's also believe God's first covenant with humanity, through Adam, was broken through the original sin, God had created a covenant in Jesus Christ, the prefect sacrifice.
Jesus had given us away to enter into the new covenant. through Baptism. Baptism removes original sin. and any personal sin, and cleanses the soul making it new and fresh.
It makes one a new creature in Christ, God invites into His covenant with Him freely and it is up to us to choose to enter into it, and uphold our end of the bargain..

Now me-What if we don't hold up our end of the bargain, then what? A we still sinners.}

brocab:
Between Catholic's, and the Evangelical's believe in some similarities, one of the most important disagreements is about how we can be accepted by God.
Evangelical's believe that if someone has faith in Jesus, if they trust Him with their lives and follow Him, than they are made totally acceptable to God. {Romans 3:23-26}
The bible say's that this happens apart from works" {Romans 4:6}
In other words, the Evangelical's believe, it doesn't depend how good of the life we live, but only on our trust in Jesus, if we follow Jesus, we are guaranteed a place in Heaven when we die {Luke 23:43}
Catholic's on the other hand, believe that our acceptance by God does depend partly on the life that they have lived, the Catholic's believe if they aren't good enough by works, they won't make it to heaven.
Another big difference is that the Evangelical's believe that in the bible God speaks through His Word.
The Catholic's believe God also speaks not only through the bible, but God speaks through the Catholic Church and the Pope.
But Jesus said: only the bible is the Word of God, not the additional teaching of religious leaders {Mark 7:1-13}
Having similarities-isn't good enough-we either believe in the truth-accepting Christ fully into our lives-either be Hot for God, or Cold for God, not knowing God at all.
Having similarities is Lukewarm, half believing in the bible, and half believing in a man made religion.
Catholic's believe the bible have errors, while the Evangelical's believe every word written in the bible is God speaking to us.
Jesus said:{Revelation 3:1} So because you are Lukewarm neither Hot or Cold I will spit you out of my mouth.

brocab:
Rome as we know it to be, and the start of the Vatican-which happens to be right in the centre of it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4wv--q0AEY
And if this doesn't bite the dust-Constantine, and the start of the Church will.

johnw74:
Your pope francis is certinally not infallable:

Pope Francis declared at the Third Vatican Council that 'all religions are true.' 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/francis.asp


Pope Francis says atheists can do good and go to heaven too!

On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077


God says diffrent:
Joh_14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Mat 7:13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 
Mat 7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


(pope francis did emphasize there was a catch. Those people must still do good.)

However God said:
Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

blackbriar:
TO BE CLEAR YOU ARE SAYING ONCE I ACCEPT JESUS, I AM GOOD TO GO.
I AM BECOME A ROGUE POLITICIAN, A CHEATING HUSBAND, A WICKED BOSS ,A KIDNAPPERS?
COS ALL DIS CASES I MENTIONED WE SEE DAILY AND THEY ALL CLAIM TO BE XTIANS.
SO PLS COME OUT CLEAR...JUST BELIEVE IN JESUS AND FORGET GOOD WORKS?

blackbriar:
All religions are true, they all believe in a supreme being,GOD ,who is the creator of the universe, the issue has always how to worship him. our fore-fathers believed in God, until the missionaries brought Jesus.The Jews believe in God. Moslems in God(ALLAH).
That isn't papal infallibility.the pope did not pronounce a dogma.
before even the pope pronounces a dogma,he calls a council,last one was vatican ii, where all the bishops of the catholic church worldwide and theologians debate over such a dogma and give their definitions based on bible teachings and sacred traditions. it is on that authority that the pope exercises the power of papal infallibility.

blackbriar:
ABEG this issue is now very stale.
First it was pope john paul II as he was d pope during the y2k era, Karol wojtyla died in old age.
Then it was pope benedict xvi, because he was from a former Nazi country, the old ratzinger resigned.
we are still waiting for una excuse with pope francis...

brocab:
Actually No, I have heard enough about Pope Francis.

brocab:
Anybody who accepts Jesus-won't keep on sinning. But rather obey His commands.
How about you?

blackbriar:
IF YOU DON'T UPHOLD YOUR END OF THE BARGAIN,DUDE YOU ARE A SINNER.
WHICH IS WHY AT BAPTISM YOU ARE ASKED.......
Renunciation of Sin and Profession of Faith
Do you reject Satan?

Reply: [I do.]

And all his works?

Reply: [I do.]

And all his empty promises?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in the God the Father, almighty, creator of heaven and earth?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, and was buried, rose from the dead and is now seated at the right hand of the Father?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting?

Reply: [I do.]

Is it your will that [Name] be baptized in the faith of the Church, which we have all professed with you?

Reply: [I do.]
The celebrant and the congregation give their assent to this profession of faith:

Celebrant: This is our faith. This is the faith of the Church; we are proud to profess it, in Christ Jesus our Lord.

All: Amen.

blackbriar:
so the pastor that defrauds his members of 500 million naira?
wait hw about st.peter who went back to fishing after Jesus's death?

blackbriar:
IF YOU DON'T UPHOLD YOUR END OF THE BARGAIN,DUDE YOU ARE A SINNER.
WHICH IS WHY AT BAPTISM YOU ARE ASKED.......
Renunciation of Sin and Profession of Faith
Do you reject Satan?

Reply: [I do.]

And all his works?

Reply: [I do.]

And all his empty promises?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in the God the Father, almighty, creator of heaven and earth?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, and was buried, rose from the dead and is now seated at the right hand of the Father?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting?

Reply: [I do.]

Is it your will that [Name] be baptized in the faith of the Church, which we have all professed with you?

Reply: [I do.]
The celebrant and the congregation give their assent to this profession of faith:

Celebrant: This is our faith. This is the faith of the Church; we are proud to profess it, in Christ Jesus our Lord.

All: Amen.

blackbriar:
TO BE CLEAR YOU ARE SAYING ONCE I ACCEPT JESUS, I AM GOOD TO GO.
I AM BECOME A ROGUE POLITICIAN, A CHEATING HUSBAND, A WICKED BOSS ,A KIDNAPPERS?
COS ALL DIS CASES I MENTIONED WE SEE DAILY AND THEY ALL CLAIM TO BE XTIANS.
SO PLS COME OUT CLEAR...JUST BELIEVE IN JESUS AND FORGET GOOD WORKS?

blackbriar:
lets hear them.

brocab:
Even the Pope believes in God-believing he is God on Earth.
All religions aren't true-[Allah isn't the same God of the bible]
Pope Francis say's atheist can do good and go to heaven. And what good works can atheist do-without believing in God?

brocab:
We are all sinners-either we sin, or we don't sin-we are all sinners.

blackbriar:
LOL first u say we are all sinners the nu say once u believe u are good to go. am confused.....help me here.

johnw74:
another rc priest is to face the court over sexual assault of minors,
this time a cardinal, cardinal pell, personal adviser to the pope

with the rcc being rife with priests comitting sexual assault on children
it's clear that their god-their originator of church doctrine which goes against God's word, is satan.

satan loves to put God last, and he has rc's praying to mary more than to God
10 hail marys to 1 our Father

satan has rcc honouring mary a creation, more than God the creator etc. etc.

one only has to search online to learn all the evil of rcc,
clearly anyone who belongs to satans church, it is because he-she want's to

kstorm:
. Even though am not a christian, I attended catholic school and I know how good they are in terms of humanity, let's face the fact, catholic are Godly and Caring.

kstorm:
Ŧђɑ̤̥̈̊п̥̥̲̣̣̣kƨ̣̣̣̇̇̇̇ Fø̲̣̣̥я̲̅ telling him the fact, I mean I like the verse you use to defend rosary.

blackbriar:
The model of all prayers "PATER NOSTER".
I quoted the apostles creed here...pls check it out again.
Please the church compiled the books of the bible.
I said i pray IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER ,SON AND HOLY SPIRIT,which is the most HOLY trinity, WHO IS GOD.
so basically i have answered all dis questions before and still doing the same now.
HABA.

blackbriar:
IF YOU DON'T UPHOLD YOUR END OF THE BARGAIN,DUDE YOU ARE A SINNER.
WHICH IS WHY AT BAPTISM YOU ARE ASKED.......
Renunciation of Sin and Profession of Faith
Do you reject Satan?

Reply: [I do.]

And all his works?

Reply: [I do.]

And all his empty promises?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in the God the Father, almighty, creator of heaven and earth?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, and was buried, rose from the dead and is now seated at the right hand of the Father?

Reply: [I do.]

Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting?

Reply: [I do.]

Is it your will that [Name] be baptized in the faith of the Church, which we have all professed with you?

Reply: [I do.]
The celebrant and the congregation give their assent to this profession of faith:

Celebrant: This is our faith. This is the faith of the Church; we are proud to profess it, in Christ Jesus our Lord.

All: Amen.

blackbriar:
TO BE CLEAR YOU ARE SAYING ONCE I ACCEPT JESUS, I AM GOOD TO GO.
I AM BECOME A ROGUE POLITICIAN, A CHEATING HUSBAND, A WICKED BOSS ,A KIDNAPPERS?
COS ALL DIS CASES I MENTIONED WE SEE DAILY AND THEY ALL CLAIM TO BE XTIANS.
SO PLS COME OUT CLEAR...JUST BELIEVE IN JESUS AND FORGET GOOD WORKS?

blackbriar:
ABEG this issue is now very stale.
First it was pope john paul II as he was d pope during the y2k era, Karol wojtyla died in old age.
Then it was pope benedict xvi, because he was from a former Nazi country, the old ratzinger resigned.
we are still waiting for una excuse with pope francis...

blackbriar:
All religions are true, they all believe in a supreme being,GOD ,who is the creator of the universe, the issue has always how to worship him. our fore-fathers believed in God, until the missionaries brought Jesus.The Jews believe in God. Moslems in God(ALLAH).
That isn't papal infallibility.the pope did not pronounce a dogma.
before even the pope pronounces a dogma,he calls a council,last one was vatican ii, where all the bishops of the catholic church worldwide and theologians debate over such a dogma and give their definitions based on bible teachings and sacred traditions. it is on that authority that the pope exercises the power of papal infallibility.