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obiorathesubtle:
Simply put as..

Jon has mastered fighting and warfare astuteness..

|b]Sansa has mastered administration and the actual "Game" of thrones..


If there's anyone right now who could run alongside Cersei in a game of political wits, it's sansa..[/b]


Tyrion is finally only smart when drunk..
Other times, he's just a sad imp who wishes to see his father's ashes burn again..



Arya on another planet dawg!

obiorathesubtle:
Simply put as..
Jon has mastered fighting and warfare astuteness..
Sansa has mastered administration and the actual "Game" of thrones..
If there's anyone right now who could run alongside Cersei in a game of political wits, it's sansa..
Tyrion is finally only smart when drunk..
Other times, he's just a sad imp who wishes to see his father's ashes burn again..
Arya on another planet dawg!

Stegomiah:
All of the starks alive are survivors not just sansa
They all have been thru hell
But what matters is not what they have been through, it's how they have reacted to it and who they are now
It took Lady sansa six seasons towards the end of season 6 to convince us she has learnt one or two things
And yet still the jury is out on her, she is still acting senseless, undermining Johns authority in public
And no one here mentioned the fact how she did keep quiet and was surprised when John said he's leaving her in charge

I also honestly do pity her, i understand its easy to side the weak
But opinions may differ..... I do personally think arya have been thru much worse than sansa
I don't want to argue on whether she would have survived in kingslanding or not.... But one thing you can't all dispute is that despite the fact that she is the younger one, she won't go down without at least taking down a major player maybe jeoffrey or cersei or Jamie

It's true sansa had survived by being stupid and underestimated.....
But i'd rather be Queen Margaery than being Lady Sansa
The thought of her alone gives cersei sleepless nights
Thot of Lady Sansa, cersei will shrug it off...
She was never convinced sansa could kill her son, she suspected tyrion
Just that the timing of sansa leaving wasn't a coincidence

Arya on the other hand, never had the luxuries sansa had.... For a long while she had no place to call home, she was always on the run
Sansa atleast had the luxury to dine in the King's palace, a good bed and food, she's not out in the cold.... Even though she was held against her will
She was still busy doing makeup and looking pretty for her king jeoffrey, she even had a maid

Arya supposed reunion with her mother and brother at the red wedding turned into a nightmare.... She heard their screams.... Not like she was told she was there.... She didn't just come up with a list

Even when she was with the many face gods, she got blind..... Was asked to kill a good person and she was to be assassinated by a pro

Yet she survived, she avenged and killed the freys

Now that's a survivor with a fighting spirit
Remind me what sansa have been thru again.... She was raped.... Ok

Same thing with bran.... He has seen things beyond his age.... He was also on the run.... He lost a lot of good people around him

John was sent to the night watch.... He fought to the top... He died.... He's fought battles and won

Everyone still alive in GOT is a survivor
Nothing special bout sansa

Cersei might not be good but she's also lost a lot, she has lost her 3 children... Asides jamie... She has nothing to lose

It's game of thrones for a reason.... Kill or be killed.... It's all about joining the winning team, all about surviving
Making the right friends/alliance

Stegomiah:
Well, this I agree with, but they will soon come to realisation
Danny asides already liking the dude, she is also beginning to take him serious

The leather ish, the grain.... Ain't political nous
The john should not travel to the south is something naked.... That's what they all agreed on
Why? Out of fear he won't return
My sweet arya doesn't say much..
She said she was going to kill the queen when she was with the lannister soldiers.... . They tot it was a joke, she joined them laffing
Same thing when she told sansa she had a kill list.... She didn't believe her at first
But babe no get time for argument

Stegomiah:
All of the starks alive are survivors not just sansa
They all have been thru hell
But what matters is not what they have been through, it's how they have reacted to it and who they are now
It took Lady sansa six seasons towards the end of season 6 to convince us she has learnt one or two things
And yet still the jury is out on her, she is still acting senseless, undermining Johns authority in public
And no one here mentioned the fact how she did keep quiet and was surprised when John said he's leaving her in charge

I also honestly do pity her, i understand its easy to side the weak
But opinions may differ..... I do personally think arya have been thru much worse than sansa
I don't want to argue on whether she would have survived in kingslanding or not.... But one thing you can't all dispute is that despite the fact that she is the younger one, she won't go down without at least taking down a major player maybe jeoffrey or cersei or Jamie

It's true sansa had survived by being stupid and underestimated.....
But i'd rather be Queen Margaery than being Lady Sansa
The thought of her alone gives cersei sleepless nights
Thot of Lady Sansa, cersei will shrug it off...
She was never convinced sansa could kill her son, she suspected tyrion
Just that the timing of sansa leaving wasn't a coincidence

Arya on the other hand, never had the luxuries sansa had.... For a long while she had no place to call home, she was always on the run
Sansa atleast had the luxury to dine in the King's palace, a good bed and food, she's not out in the cold.... Even though she was held against her will
She was still busy doing makeup and looking pretty for her king jeoffrey, she even had a maid

Arya supposed reunion with her mother and brother at the red wedding turned into a nightmare.... She heard their screams.... Not like she was told she was there.... She didn't just come up with a list

Even when she was with the many face gods, she got blind..... Was asked to kill a good person and she was to be assassinated by a pro

Yet she survived, she avenged and killed the freys

Now that's a survivor with a fighting spirit
Remind me what sansa have been thru again.... She was raped.... Ok

Same thing with bran.... He has seen things beyond his age.... He was also on the run.... He lost a lot of good people around him

John was sent to the night watch.... He fought to the top... He died.... He's fought battles and won

Everyone still alive in GOT is a survivor
Nothing special bout sansa

Cersei might not be good but she's also lost a lot, she has lost her 3 children... Asides jamie... She has nothing to lose

It's game of thrones for a reason.... Kill or be killed.... It's all about joining the winning team, all about surviving
Making the right friends/alliance

PreacherX:
You are kidding me right now ?Are you now comparing Bran with Sansa right now, do you actually know that Bran survival was because of people around him, if it wasn't for the gold people around him he won't have survived + Bran brought mayhem by getting exposed making him get marked by The Night King.

Now back to Sansa, do you think it was easy for Sansa leaving among the Powerful (living with Joffery when he was still alive)? He was a political prisoner, she has no say, even if she has something to say, you need to go watch season 1 and 2 again....

For Reference!

Joffery will make her do things, if she do otherwise, she will be put to death like his father and why did you think Arya was smuggled out of Kings landing? It was because she would have suffered same faith, so do u think Cersie will kill Arya and make everyone call her or Joffery a bad leader, Nah Nah!!!

Cersie was gonna break Arya spirit just like Sansa if she was caught behind that castle wall.... Sansa was more like a Political Prisoner, she was kept alive to justify what the Bastard Child (King Joffery) and the Lannister did for beheading Ned, they needed someone to convinced the people through the Public eyes in which Sansa was used for that Purpose.

Remember again, when Sansa was with Ramsey Bolton, there was little to nothing she can do, She planned her escape and a maid who was out to help her died during the process, have you forgotten? What do you expect her to do? she tried all her best. Ramsey kept Sansa also as a Political Prisoner, he wants to use Sansa to mock the house of Stark that he's untouchable and he can get what he wants.... Please don't compare Arya with Sansa again, they went through different things, and Arya wanted to be a warrior at her early age, infact she wish she was a guy just like Sansa want to be like her mother.... Catelyn! So they see the world differently!

Now talking about comparison, you can still compare her to Theon based on they were both under Ramsey, Ramsey tried to break Sansa and Sansa never broke and she still kept her sanity even through out those days and nights of rape and torments, she never forgot who she was.... A STARK!

Which I think it's what matter most.

TheKingIsHere:
You my Lady deserve a fvcking presidential award asap.

Dem sansa fans want pity on sansa when all stark children have been through hell and back. One here even compared her with dany and cersei. i delibrately dont want to reply the guy.

They forgot that dany was also raped and was through hell too, at the end, dany made khal drogo her puppet.

Cersei was tormented by the brotherhood of the cross and star. She was embarrassed and ridiculed but she device a means to get out from prison and have her revenge by wiping out all of them.

Sansa on the other hand couldnt think of a single way to escape Geofrey, she still couldnt think of a way use what she has to make ramsey dance to her tunes or better still escape. Yet they say she is smart. LoL.

Stegomiah:
@bolded
Wow, bravo, wawu!
We sure didn't watch the same game of thrones

Bro, you just made my afternoon......
Are we talking about the same sansa?
The useless one

Cos i am still waiting to see the polical wits exhibited or in action
Certainly not at kingslanding
Not at the vales with her aunt
Not even at winterfell with ramsey

For starters, she's supposed to punish those two guards that let arya off.... They weren't dutiful
Maybe filling grains is the new political wits
There must be something i'm missing

IamLEGEND1:
Pls! She lost all her westerosi allies and
needed to find a replacement. If Varys hadn't walked in with the bad news..... I wouldn't put it beyond her to feed Jon to her dragons. Did you see her face when Jon said
'I mean no offense, your grace but I don't know you...'?

You're on a mission to murder the queen and you decide to disclose that information to a bunch of Lannister soldiers? I look at Jaqen H'gar and think...... Now That is a true assassin. Not some impulsive girl who can't get let go of her vendetta.

Sansa may not be as violent or battle weary as Arya or Jon but she does have an excellent sense of judgement....
.. Something she had to learn the hard way.

PreacherX:
You are kidding me right now ?Are you now comparing Bran with Sansa right now, do you actually know that Bran survival was because of people around him, if it wasn't for the gold people around him he won't have survived + Bran brought mayhem by getting exposed making him get marked by The Night King.

Now back to Sansa, do you think it was easy for Sansa leaving among the Powerful (living with Joffery when he was still alive)? He was a political prisoner, she has no say, even if she has something to say, you need to go watch season 1 and 2 again....

For Reference!

Joffery will make her do things, if she do otherwise, she will be put to death like his father and why did you think Arya was smuggled out of Kings landing? It was because she would have suffered same faith, so do u think Cersie will kill Arya and make everyone call her or Joffery a bad leader, Nah Nah!!!

Cersie was gonna break Arya spirit just like Sansa if she was caught behind that castle wall.... Sansa was more like a Political Prisoner, she was kept alive to justify what the Bastard Child (King Joffery) and the Lannister did for beheading Ned, they needed someone to convinced the people through the Public eyes in which Sansa was used for that Purpose.

Remember again, when Sansa was with Ramsey Bolton, there was little to nothing she can do, She planned her escape and a maid who was out to help her died during the process, have you forgotten? What do you expect her to do? she tried all her best. Ramsey kept Sansa also as a Political Prisoner, he wants to use Sansa to mock the house of Stark that he's untouchable and he can get what he wants.... Please don't compare Arya with Sansa again, they went through different things, and Arya wanted to be a warrior at her early age, infact she wish she was a guy just like Sansa want to be like her mother.... Catelyn! So they see the world differently!

Now talking about comparison, you can still compare her to Theon based on they were both under Ramsey, Ramsey tried to break Sansa and Sansa never broke and she still kept her sanity even through out those days and nights of rape and torments, she never forgot who she was.... A STARK!

Which I think it's what matter most.

obiorathesubtle:
All I'm saying..

obiorathesubtle:
Obviously you watch GOT with a closed mind and one eye..


In the beginning, while sansa paid attention to lady stark about the history of the 7 kingdoms, learning how to
Knitt, learning the seasons and what not..


Arya was admiring archery and sword fighting..


There's a desire inside you that wants sansa to be like Arya, that's why you're disappointed, not everyone can wield a sword, not everyone can invade King's landing with 3 dragons and 50,000 infantry soldiers.

Everybody in the fuçking series has their role to play..


People don't understand GOT is a slow build up series..


Sansa has been learning all this while, not physical strength like Jon and Arya, but mental strength, like bran..

I'm sure if sansa could warg or manipulate fire or some element, she's be the Queen in your books..


Sansa is more intelligent than Khaleesi when it comes to westerosi ideals and ideas, from political prowess to administrative bossing.. She has it.. Khaleesi can't even find a way to feed her Army properly atm.. Even with the imp and eunuch by her side.. Men who are supposedly smart.. She has a Fučking snake in Littlefinger on her case all the time, and she's still Queening out there.


Sansa isn't useless, you just have opened your eyes to her obvious potentials..

Stegomiah:
Sansa is this Sansa is that... She's more intelligent than Khaleesi huh! Proof please

PreacherX:
You are kidding me right now ?Are you now comparing Bran with Sansa right now, do you actually know that Bran survival was because of people around him, if it wasn't for the good people around him he won't have survived + Bran brought mayhem by getting exposed making him get marked by The Night King.

Now back to Sansa, do you think it was easy for Sansa leaving among the Powerful (living with Joffery when he was still alive)? He was a political prisoner, she has no say, even if she has something to say, you need to go watch season 1 and 2 again....

For Reference!

Joffery will make her do things, if she do otherwise, she will be put to death like his father and why did you think Arya was smuggled out of Kings landing? It was because she would have suffered same faith, so do u think Cersie will kill Arya and make everyone call her or Joffery a bad leader, Nah Nah!!!

Cersie was gonna break Arya spirit just like Sansa if she was caught behind that castle wall.... Sansa was more like a Political Prisoner, she was kept alive to justify what the Bastard Child (King Joffery) and the Lannister did for beheading Ned, they needed someone to convinced the people through the Public eyes in which Sansa was used for that Purpose.

Remember again, when Sansa was with Ramsey Bolton, there was little to nothing she can do, She planned her escape and a maid who was out to help her died during the process, have you forgotten? What do you expect her to do? she tried all her best. Ramsey kept Sansa also as a Political Prisoner, he wants to use Sansa to mock the house of Stark that he's untouchable and he can get what he wants.... Please don't compare Arya with Sansa again, they went through different things, and Arya wanted to be a warrior at her early age, infact she wish she was a guy just like Sansa want to be like her mother.... Catelyn! So they see the world differently!

Now talking about comparison, you can still compare her to Theon based on they were both under Ramsey, Ramsey tried to break Sansa and Sansa never broke and she still kept her sanity even through out those days and nights of rape and torments, she never forgot who she was.... A STARK!

Which I think it's what matter most.

obiorathesubtle:
Obviously you watch GOT with a closed mind and one eye..


In the beginning, while sansa paid attention to lady stark about the history of the 7 kingdoms, learning how to
Knitt, learning the seasons and what not..


Arya was admiring archery and sword fighting..


There's a desire inside you that wants sansa to be like Arya, that's why you're disappointed, not everyone can wield a sword, not everyone can invade King's landing with 3 dragons and 50,000 infantry soldiers.

Everybody in the fuçking series has their role to play..


People don't understand GOT is a slow build up series..


Sansa has been learning all this while, not physical strength like Jon and Arya, but mental strength, like bran..

I'm sure if sansa could warg or manipulate fire or some element, she'd be the Queen in your books..

Sansa is more intelligent than Khaleesi when it comes to westerosi ideals and ideas, from political prowess to administrative bossing.. She has it.. Khaleesi can't even find a way to feed her Army properly atm.. Even with the imp and eunuch by her side.. Men who are supposedly smart.. She has a Fučking snake in Littlefinger on her case all the time, and she's still Queening out there.


Sansa isn't useless, you just have opened your eyes to her obvious potentials..

CecyAdrian:
Lol, you are funny. Sansa is senseless oga.

See, Ramsey married and kept Sansa alive because she is a Stark which she could have easily used to her advantage. Having Sansa with him was Ramsey's stamp on Winterfell and his psycho mind set understood her value.

My annoyance with the girl is that, she doesn't even try.

Stegomiah:
Sansa is this
Sansa is that...
She's more intelligent than Khaleesi huh!
Proof please

Didn't expect her to wield a sword or anything, just show us she is no pushover... Like cersei or lady ollena

Maybe you need to wake up, cos that gal hasn't proven nada

Like i said, maybe 2mao i might change my opinion but definitely not out of sympathy

meforkene:
Being a Sansa fan is just out of sympathy and probably recent trends of backing minority,feminism.

Check this.
If Bran dies today you'll sure not see a lot of things like the truth about Jon,white walkers may never be defeated n many other anticipated visions

If Arya dies...who will kill LF,Cersie and maybe a night walker with the Valeryian dagger,who'll protect Sansa n many more

If Sansa dies....she dies..nothing more.If you expect something interesting please tell me.

And of course she's the only sane Stark. So she must rule the family.She should know politics by now.

A series that has battles,dragons,assasins,schemers,word play,time travellers, zombies,boobs etc.One must have extra powers to be a Sansa fan.
(cos she's absorbed and been through a lot like Nkiru Sylvanus in Nollywood movies).

It's like climbing up the food chain to eat grass.

Stegomiah:
Yeah, that dude got 7 lives..... He's been at the brink of death so many times i have lost count
And he's motivated by money
But he's taken jamie as a friend and to think a while back he was BFF with tyrion

The only question i have on my mind is.... Let's say he's paid by khaleesi to kill jamie.... Would he?
Or does he have emotions and loyalty than he let's on

Stegomiah:
Seems like i just happen to have time today

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I don't see how Sansa Stark is useful at all. Arya Stark learned to fight and has become an assassin.
Bran learned how to see the past and future. Jon took his skill to The Watch and became a fine solider, eventually becoming the lord commander and a king.
He fought off skilled White Walkers and came back to life.
Sansa has...well...not much.
I can only say she is good at sewing stuff, which isn't a special skill.
Any woman in Westeros would know the basics, men know it because battle and travel usually isn't nice to clothing, even kids know how.
She was forced into one marriage and got tricked into another. Not useful.
She was naive enough to tell Cersei about her fathers plans and got him killed. Not useful
She believed stupid songs and poems, letting it blind her to Joffery and the south. Not useful.
She has to be saved by others, not men because Brienne, and can't survive on her own. Not useful.
She has no special skills, never gained any, isn't physically strong, can't fight, can't manipulate people well, can't cook or make things. Not useful.
She withheld valuable info from Jon for the BOTB. Not useful.
She sold out Arya and Nymeria, called her father out asa traitor, calling for her mother and brother to recognise Joffrey and pledge loyalty. This got them killed (not Arya and Nymeria) and was not useful.
Arya was able to escape KL and survive, Sansa seemingly can't be sneaky or run very fast. Not useful.
She's always the victim and is never able to contribute to the story or her family. Not useful.
She doesn't add much to the plot. She's done nothing to affect the story. Even crippled Bran can contribute. Not useful.
I can't seem to find a way she helped her house, influence the plot, or did anything besides make people upset.
Please change my view.

PreacherX:
You have forgotten that most of this ladies you are comparing with Sansa are dead, what makes her different is she's still alive... She knew the best way to get away with Ramsey is to escape not by killing him which she tried, remember what happened to the lady that tried to kill Ramsey.

So what y'all don't know is, doing something you know will definitely kill you is not true bravery, that's being a coward. But enduring to stay alive is true bravery!

CecyAdrian:
Lol at your illustration... Sansa didn't climb any food chain joor, she was pushed up or rather forced up. Left for Sansa, she will remain at the bottom with hopes that Joffery will resurrect and make her his queen

Rubyventures:
This Sansa debate is taking the life out of this thread. I'm off for today

Stegomiah:
Since Jamie lost his hand he's become useless,
First the boy he kept on mocking saved him in battle,

Except you are the one who writes history...... I still disagree that's bravery

It's like someone intentionally jumps in front of a fast moving car..... And manages to survive.....
Then we say he is being brave for surviving
He was trying to commit suicide which isn't bravery but stupidity and foolishness

Like someone said earlier, let's say he managed to pull it off.... Then it's stupidity on the writers part or director and we will be right to question the plot

What he was trying to do, there is zero chance he could pull it off, at least not when she's with her son [drogon]

Stegomiah:
You have forgotten that which is dead may never die... Lol
They will all eventually die.... If peradventure they manage to somehow escape the night king
Even if they don't die in the series

All these women didn't die useless
Another useless somebody is Rickon Stark but he is dead
So, sansa better start being useful or she dead
But i am tired seeing her being a punching bag and taking so many hits
I won't be surprised if little finger still fingers her brain again
She trusts too much, almost everyone manipulated her
Like i said earlier i'd prefer being the dead queen Margaery than this living useless sansa version

Arya wasn't even happy someone else killed jeoffrey
She matured quickly