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peeps4u:
MY PEOPLE, PASTORS/FOUNDERS ARE MOSTLY RICHER THAN THEIR CHURCH MEMBERS, NOT BECAUSE GOD BLESSES THEM MORE THAN YOU BUT BECAUSE YOU BLESS THEM WITH YOUR TITHES AND OTHER SPECIAL OFFERINGS.

TITHE WAS LEVITICAL LAW AND MADE OBSOLETE BY JESUS IN HEBREWS 7 & 8.

GIVE TO HUMANITY, NOT NECCESSARY YOUR TITHES TO YOUR PASTORS. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR TITHES IF YOU WANT, BUT DON'T LET ANYONE OR PASTORS MAKE IT A MUST. JESUS NEVER TOOK TITHES, GIVE FROM YOUR HEARTS AND NOT NECESSARY TITHES.


STAY BLESSED.

peeps4u:
Paying tithe doesn't give anyone special advantage over others. The rain that kills tithers is the same rain that rescues non-tithers, so what is the fuss about tithing attracting special blessings. Accidents that kill tithers are the same where non-tithers are saved and vice versa
TIthing is not a must, God blesses irrespective of tithe. I am only an advocate of giving and not tithing, no pastor can condemn me or make it a must for me to pay tithe when I know the truth in the bible.

STAY BLESSED

Pierocash:
take it or leave it, tithe is a must.however, nobody will condemn condemn u if u dnt tithe,bt God said u are a robber if u dnt tithe.No robber is blessed.U said u knw what the bible says and yet u dnt tithe, so which bible do u read?

Pierocash:
take it or leave it, tithe is a must.however, nobody will condemn condemn u if u dnt tithe,bt God said u are a robber if u dnt tithe.No robber is blessed.U said u knw what the bible says and yet u dnt tithe, so which bible do u read?

paschu:
Abraham's payment of tithe was recorded once in the entire old testament. This implies that he paid his tithe voluntarily and by God's leading - just like when he sacrificed Isaac. It was not compulsory. Tithe did not become compulsory until the conquest of Canaan and the formal institutionalization of the Levitical Order and Aaronic Priesthood.

This Levitical Order coupled with the Aaronic Priesthood, was put aside by the death and resurrection of Christ. So there is no more need for daily burnt offerings and animal sacrifices. No more need for the PROFESSIONAL priesthood. This is actually why Paul said that he would rather die working with his hands than depend solely on the Church for survival.

Thus I found it curious when you claimed that Tithe is meant for the Church. Can you please prove that assertion scripturally without going out of context?

Please note that I am not in anyway asking anyone to stop paying tithe. But please take this from me, and write it down somewhere. What the Pastor in the OP is doing is the future of the church. That is the ONLY WAY the Church can survive the coming global Anti-Christ movement and large scale uprising against ALL FORMS OF ORGANIZED RELIGION.

The KIND OF PRACTICAL SACRIFICIAL LOVE which this Pastor is proclaiming now is the Church's LONE ticket to survival in the coming years. And you can take that to the Bank.

One more thing: The Pastor made a profound statement when he said that he cannot teach people that they have to bring money to church BEFORE God can bless them.

Friend that's the root of the matter. The idea that you have to STRUGGLE to EARN God's blessings for yourself is the biggest favor the Church is doing the anti-Christ spirit. As times goes on, Science and humanistic advancement in knowledge will make most of these things easily accessible to ALL with little or zero efforts. This commonalization of the so called blessings will make the current teachings of the Organized Church lose its present appeal. In fact this is already happening. And this is what the anti-Christ will capitalize on. The only counter we have is the message of PRACTICAL LOVE (which the OP is proclaiming) and making sure that the Church people start using their minds and embracing real education.

Again, the only thing that will prevent the rich, weak or poor church members from embracing the lure of anti-Christ is a timely eradication of the spirit of Selfishness (which is the root of greed and every other evil) and prompt enthronement of the CULTURE OF PRACTICAL LOVE - just as the first disciples did. This is why Jesus said that the only way the world would know that He is with us is when we love each other the way he had loved us and died for us while we were still sinners.

The Church of the end time will congregate in tiny circles of influences at homes, work/market places and in the streets. It's not going to be at the cathedrals and huge auditoriums as usual.

Professional priesthood is already loosing credibility, soon it will lose influence.

peeps4u:
For those saying tithe is different from alms and tithe is what is given to the church, can you establish this with biblical references?
Tithe was enacted through levitical and aronical laws, these laws and other practices, like sacrifices with animals, were aborted through the coming and death of Jesus Christ.

Go and read Hebrews, probably from chapter 7, if you have no time to read from the beginning.

Tithes, like using rams for sacrifices, were old time practices which have been terminated by Jesus and shouldn't exist in our churches anymore.

As for the claims that God blesses when you pay tithe, it is all frictitious, God blesses today without your tithes, if he doesn't, why are tithers not the richest? why are muslims and atheists who don't pay tithes blessed? God doesn't need your tithes before he blesses you.

Your tithes go to your pastors and not to God, that is why your pastors are mostly the richest in their respective churches; they collect one-tenths form each member while each member manages with the rest nine-tenths. Most Pastors grow richer than members while the members aren't at par with them, not because God blesses the pastors more but because pastors keep getting their one-tenths every month, this is different from special offerings.

Pierocash:
One JW spotted. Evn in the days of christ ppl pay tithe.Any church misleading u to go contrary to the bible is satanic

Topgainer:
I didn't want to reply you again but for your insults here and there.

You have to ensure you don't go on calling Christians whom God has justified not by works of the law but by faith in Jesus, Robbers. Your theories on tithe has no basis whatsoever, you have been asked repeatedly to provide a Bible passage to back that, you have not been able to do that. What you advocate and preach about tithe is neither how the Jews observed the tithing laws nor does it have bearing in the conduct of Christians.
Therefore, the true robbers are not hard to identify.


I advised on page 1 of this thread that you and your Bishops should write a new Bible and put everything you desired about tithe for your followers there. All the new revelations you have about it like non (Christian) tithers will have mouth odour, will be tight, will have invaders from Hell's gate, will go to hell, will not benefit from church, will have names expunged from the Church registered members, will not blessed and so on.

But be rest assured there will be increased awareness of how greedy Bishops and false prophets have crept into the Church unnoticed, many more people will ask such Bishops for proof that Jesus and his disciples took tithes, and proof that money was paid as tithes by Jews who had the law.
For the umpteenth time, tell your Bishops to write a new Bible were all your novel ideas and revelations about Christian money tithes will be included.

peeps4u:
MY PEOPLE, PASTORS/FOUNDERS AR
STAY BLESSED.

peeps4u:
Do you also know what tithers also go through?
I also stated that tithers fall sick just like non-tithers, tithers die in accident just like non-tithers. People experience tragedies, whether they are tithers or not. There are tithers who were poor and still died at young age but here we have non-tithers Dangote, Bill gates and the rest who are rich and still alive.
So what are the special blessings tithers enjoy above non-tithers?

Topgainer:
I didn't want to reply you again but for your insults here and there.

You have to ensure you don't go on calling Christians whom God has justified not by works of the law but by faith in Jesus, Robbers. Your theories on tithe has no basis whatsoever, you have been asked repeatedly to provide a Bible passage to back that, you have not been able to do that. What you advocate and preach about tithe is neither how the Jews observed the tithing laws nor does it have bearing in the conduct of Christians.
Therefore, the true robbers are not hard to identify.


I advised on page 1 of this thread that you and your Bishops should write a new Bible and put everything you desired about tithe for your followers there. All the new revelations you have about it like non (Christian) tithers will have mouth odour, will be tight, will have invaders from Hell's gate, will go to hell, will not benefit from church, will have names expunged from the Church registered members, will not blessed and so on.

But be rest assured there will be increased awareness of how greedy Bishops and false prophets have crept into the Church unnoticed, many more people will ask such Bishops for proof that Jesus and his disciples took tithes, and proof that money was paid as tithes by Jews who had the law.
For the umpteenth time, tell your Bishops to write a new Bible were all your novel ideas and revelations about Christian money tithes will be included.

Topgainer:
Sir, I think you should stop replying that boy, Pierocash. He may realize later that not everybody that controls crowd with the name of Jesus is sent and that not all he was taught by such men are sound doctrines.

Pierocash:
Luke 11:42, mathew 23:23.
Pls study the above scriptures frm New Living Translation for better understanding.

Pierocash:
Yes! I am a worker in the House of God and will work for God till i die.On whether i am benefitting from tithe, the answer is emphatic yes, i pay my tithe consistently and have been benefitting frm the blessings of tithing and will continue to benefit the blessing.If u are nt a tither,i advice to tap into such Kingdom principle for financial fortune to be ur portion.No non tither can be blessed.argue it Frm Here till 2mrw,u cannot do anything against the truth bt for the truth

Pierocash:
Yes! I am a worker in the House of God and will work for God till i die.On whether i am benefitting from tithe, the answer is emphatic yes, i pay my tithe consistently and have been benefitting frm the blessings of tithing and will continue to benefit the blessing.If u are nt a tither,i advice to tap into such Kingdom principle for financial fortune to be ur portion.No non tither can be blessed.argue it Frm Here till 2mrw,u cannot do anything against the truth bt for the truth

Topgainer:
Remind me again the passage where payment of tithe (indicating money) is in your Bible. The Jews gave tithe and not payed tithe. The things they were asked to give were for the temple store house and the items were grains and farm produce. Not forgetting other aspects of the tithe laws operated then by the Jews like eating it (food) with one's household and friends.
Offerings (any % the giver decides) will be given in that Church but instead of going to the Bishop it goes to the members who have needs directly. Angels don't descend from heaven to carry them to God. Christianity teaches that the assessment of God is that something is given out and the acceptance is measured by the cheerfulness /selflessness of the giver.

Pierocash:
bro dnt be deceived, tithing is not a personal believe or personal opinion, it is a scriptural commandment.
Am i the one that wrote Malacai 3:10? Some religeous perverts say it old testament, is Luke 11:42 and Mathew 23:23 old testament? The earlier u realise that prosperity is nt procured on the alter of Prayer but by covenant practice,the better for u.Any church or individual who tells u to go against scriptural injuctions that it is a personal thing is ur greatest enemy of progress.Contest it Frm nw til 2mrw, Geness 8:22 cannot be broken

sarrki:
My people perished coz of lack of knowledge

Malachi 3:10 is old testament

Pierocash:
the fact that it wasnt mentioned after the death of christ does not abolish that commandment. Christ came to save man frm sin and satan,and to restore God's kingdom to man whiCh the devil took frm man.Jesus didnt come to preach prosperity bt to save man frm destruction, those are mandate handed over to the apostles which is the word of prosperity u see and hear today.
Christ came to restore love and mercy which they abandoned frm for tithing.If it has been abolished christ would have told them no stop paying tithe and focus on only mercy justice,and love,bt he said yes pay tithe bt dont neglect the others which is mercy,Justice, and love

Pierocash:
take it or leave it, tithe is a must.however, nobody will condemn condemn u if u dnt tithe,bt God said u are a robber if u dnt tithe.No robber is blessed.U said u knw what the bible says and yet u dnt tithe, so which bible do u read?

Pierocash:
End time church.This is a satanic church

Pierocash:
One JW spotted. Evn in the days of christ ppl pay tithe.Any church misleading u to go contrary to the bible is satanic

Pierocash:
Yes! I am a worker in the House of God and will work for God till i die.On whether i am benefitting from tithe, the answer is emphatic yes, i pay my tithe consistently and have been benefitting frm the blessings of tithing and will continue to benefit the blessing.If u are nt a tither,i advice to tap into such Kingdom principle for financial fortune to be ur portion.No non tither can be blessed.argue it Frm Here till 2mrw,u cannot do anything against the truth bt for the truth

babythug:
While I agree that some churches have abused the concept of tithes and offerings, i still don't get the logic in a church not accepting it. For one where will the finds to run the church come from? Even the goal of this church which is to help the needy where will the funds be sourced from? There is something odd about the whole thing. I suspect members will be pressured to give in other forms and will end up donating more than tithes and offerings