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Pierocash:
Yes! I am a worker in the House of God and will work for God till i die.On whether i am benefitting from tithe, the answer is emphatic yes, i pay my tithe consistently and have been benefitting frm the blessings of tithing and will continue to benefit the blessing.If u are nt a tither,i advice to tap into such Kingdom principle for financial fortune to be ur portion.No non tither can be blessed.argue it Frm Here till 2mrw,u cannot do anything against the truth bt for the truth

Iamzik:
How many tithe did Peter and Paul collect?

The early church shared all they had in common and the church grew, peppered and had favour with God and men.

Christians must wake up.
You don't give tithe out of fear or because you are looking for some miraculous breakthrough without doing anything. You give tithe because you are blessed and I'm appreciation to God.

The tithe is meant to be used to help the needy, and sponsor practical evangelism not to fund extravagant lifestyle of men of God as widely done today.

Jesus said justice and mercy is weightier law than tithing. But today tithing is thought to carry more weight than mercy and justice.

How many Christians bother to help their families or neighbors in need. No they will bypass the Neigbour and take the money to church out of fear.

“The Holy Spirit is leading us and we don’t want people to believe that they must bring offering to church before they are blessed, no. If I give offering in the church while a woman close to me is dying of hunger, what have I done? As a Christian, I should not allow that woman to die. The God who created the woman won’t be happy with me if I packaged an offering to the church while she is suffering,” the pastor said.

babythug:
The modus operandi of the early church is not the issue here! I understand that the apostles and members of old perhaps shared all they had and it worked At the time!

But things are different now, remember that in those days the Christians were few and this may have been responsible for the ease in sharing all they had collectively. Today billions of humans are Christians!

My own concern is still how the church intends to source items for the needy as it were and manage bills from running the church- cost of the site being used for woship, maintenance and general admin Costs, staff salary and so on!

Iamzik:
That's not a problem.
I've seen where someone built a hospital and donated it to a community.

We have people who can do that out of their legitimate wealth. If all members will imbibe this culture of giving then all your concerns will be taken care of.

While I was young in Ecwa church somewhere in the north, there is an announcement segment where they tell you about people in the church who need assistance. Sometimes before end of service, anonymous offerings would have been received enough to take care of the need. Don't know if this still happens though.

About the rent and upkeep., are you aware that there are churches who remit virtually all tithe and offering to headquarters then tax workers and members to pay church rent/maintenance? If those churches can survive then this one can

paschu:
Abraham's payment of tithe was recorded once in the entire old testament. This implies that he paid his tithe voluntarily and by God's leading - just like when he sacrificed Isaac. It was not compulsory. Tithe did not become compulsory until the conquest of Canaan and the formal institutionalization of the Levitical Order and Aaronic Priesthood.

This Levitical Order coupled with the Aaronic Priesthood, was put aside by the death and resurrection of Christ. So there is no more need for daily burnt offerings and animal sacrifices. No more need for the PROFESSIONAL priesthood. This is actually why Paul said that he would rather die working with his hands than depend solely on the Church for survival.

Thus I found it curious when you claimed that Tithe is meant for the Church. Can you please prove that assertion scripturally without going out of context?

Please note that I am not in anyway asking anyone to stop paying tithe. But please take this from me, and write it down somewhere. What the Pastor in the OP is doing is the future of the church. That is the ONLY WAY the Church can survive the coming global Anti-Christ movement and large scale uprising against ALL FORMS OF ORGANIZED RELIGION.

The KIND OF PRACTICAL SACRIFICIAL LOVE which this Pastor is proclaiming now is the Church's LONE ticket to survival in the coming years. And you can take that to the Bank.

One more thing: The Pastor made a profound statement when he said that he cannot teach people that they have to bring money to church BEFORE God can bless them.

Friend that's the root of the matter. The idea that you have to STRUGGLE to EARN God's blessings for yourself is the biggest favor the Church is doing the anti-Christ spirit. As times goes on, Science and humanistic advancement in knowledge will make most of these things easily accessible to ALL with little or zero efforts. This commonalization of the so called blessings will make the current teachings of the Organized Church lose its present appeal. In fact this is already happening. And this is what the anti-Christ will capitalize on. The only counter we have is the message of PRACTICAL LOVE (which the OP is proclaiming) and making sure that the Church people start using their minds and embracing real education.

Again, the only thing that will prevent the rich, weak or poor church members from embracing the lure of anti-Christ is a timely eradication of the spirit of Selfishness (which is the root of greed and every other evil) and prompt enthronement of the CULTURE OF PRACTICAL LOVE - just as the first disciples did. This is why Jesus said that the only way the world would know that He is with us is when we love each other the way he had loved us and died for us while we were still sinners.

The Church of the end time will congregate in tiny circles of influences at homes, work/market places and in the streets. It's not going to be at the cathedrals and huge auditoriums as usual.

Professional priesthood is already loosing credibility, soon it will lose influence.

MrRhymes101:
Cost of running the church nko? Maybe it's just a charity organization.

Pierocash:
Yes! I am a worker in the House of God and will work for God till i die.On whether i am benefitting from tithe, the answer is emphatic yes, i pay my tithe consistently and have been benefitting frm the blessings of tithing and will continue to benefit the blessing.If u are nt a tither,i advice to tap into such Kingdom principle for financial fortune to be ur portion.No non tither can be blessed.argue it Frm Here till 2mrw,u cannot do anything against the truth bt for the truth

I888:
How many tithes does Bill Gates pay? How many tithes does Mark Zuckerberg pay, Jack Ma, Richard Brandson, Donald Trump, Elon Musk...Oprah Winfrey, Micheal Jackson...?

I know you people like to equate tithing to success.

Same tithes that is paid to God's work is same tithe pastors will deep their hands into to buy expensive items while giving workers peanuts( work of God).

Why aren't these churches building vocational centers for members to acquire skills for free? Why? Why? Why?

Every program organised are designed to get more out of them...

I have no problem with a pastor being rich but there should a LIMIT. Yes, a LIMIT. Oyedepo's wealth is forking too much... damn too much for man whose wealth is in heaven according to the bible. That money is enough to build research and tech hubs.
Stop being sentimental and call a spade a spade.

Pierocash:
Bro stop been misled by the devil,Bishop Oyedepo himself pays tithe ,paying tithe in church is not same as paying to ur pastor.[b] Men of God are custodians of God's treasures, what they do with it is no man's business.Are u the one that called them?
[/b]They are answerable to no man but God so stop asking what they do with tithe, that is left for God to question them if they misuse or embezle them.As long as i agree there are business men on the alter who called themselves to that business of collecting peoples money in the name of tithe and offering, but that does not make u discredit the commandment of tithing.If u have not been tithing b4 now, i encourage u to locate a bible believing church and start paying ur tithe frm today and watch how God wil make u a living wonder

babythug:
The modus operandi of the early church is not the issue here! I understand that the apostles and members of old perhaps shared all they had and it worked At the time!

But things are different now, remember that in those days the Christians were few and this may have been responsible for the ease in sharing all they had collectively. Today billions of humans are Christians!

My own concern is still how the church intends to source items for the needy as it were and manage bills from running the church- cost of the site being used for woship, maintenance and general admin Costs, staff salary and so on!

sarrki:
My people perished coz of lack of knowledge
Malachi 3:10 is old testament

AdedoyinO:
The just shall live by faith and not by sight. If God gave the pastor the assignment, He will equal send the consignment.

Iamzik:
That's not a problem.
I've seen where someone built a hospital and donated it to a community.

We have people who can do that out of their legitimate wealth. If all members will imbibe this culture of giving then all your concerns will be taken care of.

While I was young in Ecwa church somewhere in the north, there is an announcement segment where they tell you about people in the church who need assistance. Sometimes before end of service, anonymous offerings would have been received enough to take care of the need. Don't know if this still happens though.

About the rent and upkeep., are you aware that there are churches who remit virtually all tithe and offering to headquarters then tax workers and members to pay church rent/maintenance? If those churches can survive then this one can

Pierocash:
Yes! I am a worker in the House of God and will work for God till i die.On whether i am benefitting from tithe, the answer is emphatic yes, i pay my tithe consistently and have been benefitting frm the blessings of tithing and will continue to benefit the blessing.If u are nt a tither,i advice to tap into such Kingdom principle for financial fortune to be ur portion.No non tither can be blessed.argue it Frm Here till 2mrw,u cannot do anything against the truth bt for the truth

babythug:
The moment these donations begin to exceed the needs, the church May start to have the same challenge that people generally perceive modern pastors and churches have which is converting the excess for personal use!!!!

Samuel1106:
For me tithing is beyond Christianity. Because Christianity started after the death of Jesus Christ. Meanwhile, Christ in Matthew 5:17-20, said He didn't come to abolish the law. In Luke18:12 (Matthew 23:23) made reference to payment of tithes. In Hebrew 7:1-28, we also have a clear understanding about tithing. So I think tithing is an injunction from God which must be practiced.

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

peeps4u:
Read Gal 3:11-14. It expressly states we are no longer under law as no one can even be saved by merely obeying law but by faith.

Like I said before, Tithe was a levitical law which have been made obsolete by Jesus as we are no longer under law. Today, we have access to Abrahamic blessings, not by law (tithe), but by faith.

STAY BLESSED

paschu:
Abraham's payment of tithe was recorded once in the entire old testament. This implies that he paid his tithe voluntarily and by God's leading - just like when he sacrificed Isaac. It was not compulsory. Tithe did not become compulsory until the conquest of Canaan and the formal institutionalization of the Levitical Order and Aaronic Priesthood.

This Levitical Order coupled with the Aaronic Priesthood, was put aside by the death and resurrection of Christ. So there is no more need for daily burnt offerings and animal sacrifices. No more need for the PROFESSIONAL priesthood. This is actually why Paul said that he would rather die working with his hands than depend solely on the Church for survival.

Thus I found it curious when you claimed that Tithe is meant for the Church. Can you please prove that assertion scripturally without going out of context?

Please note that I am not in anyway asking anyone to stop paying tithe. But please take this from me, and write it down somewhere. What the Pastor in the OP is doing is the future of the church. That is the ONLY WAY the Church can survive the coming global Anti-Christ movement and large scale uprising against ALL FORMS OF ORGANIZED RELIGION.

The KIND OF PRACTICAL SACRIFICIAL LOVE which this Pastor is proclaiming now is the Church's LONE ticket to survival in the coming years. And you can take that to the Bank.

One more thing: The Pastor made a profound statement when he said that he cannot teach people that they have to bring money to church BEFORE God can bless them.

Friend that's the root of the matter. The idea that you have to STRUGGLE to EARN God's blessings for yourself is the biggest favor the Church is doing the anti-Christ spirit. As times goes on, Science and humanistic advancement in knowledge will make most of these things easily accessible to ALL with little or zero efforts. This commonalization of the so called blessings will make the current teachings of the Organized Church lose its present appeal. In fact this is already happening. And this is what the anti-Christ will capitalize on. The only counter we have is the message of PRACTICAL LOVE (which the OP is proclaiming) and making sure that the Church people start using their minds and embracing real education.

Again, the only thing that will prevent the rich, weak or poor church members from embracing the lure of anti-Christ is a timely eradication of the spirit of Selfishness (which is the root of greed and every other evil) and prompt enthronement of the CULTURE OF PRACTICAL LOVE - just as the first disciples did. This is why Jesus said that the only way the world would know that He is with us is when we love each other the way he had loved us and died for us while we were still sinners.

The Church of the end time will congregate in tiny circles of influences at homes, work/market places and in the streets. It's not going to be at the cathedrals and huge auditoriums as usual.

Professional priesthood is already loosing credibility, soon it will lose influence.

Pierocash:
End time church.This is a satanic church

paschu:
Abraham's payment of tithe was recorded once in the entire old testament. This implies that he paid his tithe voluntarily and by God's leading - just like when he sacrificed Isaac. It was not compulsory. Tithe did not become compulsory until the conquest of Canaan and the formal institutionalization of the Levitical Order and Aaronic Priesthood.

This Levitical Order coupled with the Aaronic Priesthood, was put aside by the death and resurrection of Christ. So there is no more need for daily burnt offerings and animal sacrifices. No more need for the PROFESSIONAL priesthood. This is actually why Paul said that he would rather die working with his hands than depend solely on the Church for survival.

Thus I found it curious when you claimed that Tithe is meant for the Church. Can you please prove that assertion scripturally without going out of context?

Please note that I am not in anyway asking anyone to stop paying tithe. But please take this from me, and write it down somewhere. What the Pastor in the OP is doing is the future of the church. That is the ONLY WAY the Church can survive the coming global Anti-Christ movement and large scale uprising against ALL FORMS OF ORGANIZED RELIGION.

The KIND OF PRACTICAL SACRIFICIAL LOVE which this Pastor is proclaiming now is the Church's LONE ticket to survival in the coming years. And you can take that to the Bank.

One more thing: The Pastor made a profound statement when he said that he cannot teach people that they have to bring money to church BEFORE God can bless them.

Friend that's the root of the matter. The idea that you have to STRUGGLE to EARN God's blessings for yourself is the biggest favor the Church is doing the anti-Christ spirit. As times goes on, Science and humanistic advancement in knowledge will make most of these things easily accessible to ALL with little or zero efforts. This commonalization of the so called blessings will make the current teachings of the Organized Church lose its present appeal. In fact this is already happening. And this is what the anti-Christ will capitalize on. The only counter we have is the message of PRACTICAL LOVE (which the OP is proclaiming) and making sure that the Church people start using their minds and embracing real education.

Again, the only thing that will prevent the rich, weak or poor church members from embracing the lure of anti-Christ is a timely eradication of the spirit of Selfishness (which is the root of greed and every other evil) and prompt enthronement of the CULTURE OF PRACTICAL LOVE - just as the first disciples did. This is why Jesus said that the only way the world would know that He is with us is when we love each other the way he had loved us and died for us while we were still sinners.

The Church of the end time will congregate in tiny circles of influences at homes, work/market places and in the streets. It's not going to be at the cathedrals and huge auditoriums as usual.

Professional priesthood is already loosing credibility, soon it will lose influence.

Pierocash:
bro dnt be deceived, tithing is not a personal believe or personal opinion, it is a scriptural commandment.
Am i the one that wrote Malacai 3:10? Some religeous perverts say it old testament, is Luke 11:42 and Mathew 23:23 old testament? The earlier u realise that prosperity is nt procured on the alter of Prayer but by covenant practice,the better for u.Any church or individual who tells u to go against scriptural injuctions that it is a personal thing is ur greatest enemy of progress.Contest it Frm nw til 2mrw, Geness 8:22 cannot be broken

Rapsino:
tithe n offering z an obligation xpcially tithe, their is much more gain in it

Topgainer:
Obligation just like seed money.

I would like all the New Breeds Prophets and Bishops who are not Levites, with nice revelations on why the Christians should give tithes not of Agric produce like the Jews did but of money to write a new Bible where all these revelations can be relayed explicitly to their sheeples.
I can give 10% of my money and much more to the Church to meet specific needs but I will not call it tithe because it can never be tithe. Correctly, It is an offering.
More so, the other category called seed money is also a misnomer crafted by the overlords. I am searching to see seed money in any of the instructions of Jesus to Christians, I have not seen that, but crafty men have devised seed money for virtually everything a Christian asks his Father for.
Seed for prosperity
Seed for health
Seed for war
Seed money for husband
Seed money for miracle
Seed money for visa
Seed money for faith
Seed money for breakthrough
Seed money for anointing
Seed money for program
Seed money for enemies.
Robed Robbers have taken over Christianity. They have devised means of extorting men of little faith, who are made to understand they must pay cash to their Heavenly Father before they can force something out of Him or make Him grant their request.