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naijahut:
What is this guy saying self? Don't confuse others with what you don't know

which do you subscribe

a. man consist of spirit, soul and body
or
b. man consist of body and soul.

adjoviomole:
Speaking in tongues is not speaking gibberish......... The Bible said you will speak in tongues according to how the holy spirit gives you to speak.

You cannot speak in tongues except the holy ghost comes upon you. If you are a sinner and you think you are speaking in tongues, you are deceiving yourself.


When you speak in tongue you will speak a definite language spoken here on earth, a language you have never spoken, you will speak it fluently.....

The disciples spoke in tongues and those who heard them understood what they were saying.


A stark illiterate old woman in my church in Ibadan, she was saved, sanctified and when she was baptised with the holy spirit she spoke fluent Queens English for a while as the spirit took control..


Speaking in tongues is not rabAraba reke bababababab bobo bobo, lababosh blah blah blah......

which do you subscribe

a. man consist of spirit, soul and body
or
b. man consist of body and soul.



let me add my 11

11. Why did all present IN acts 2 hear the apostle speaking in intelligent language not the unintelligent gibberrish and grunts

i sometimes wonder how some selectively choose to ignore those that heard the apostles and mocked them.

in experiments, we have two set test group and control group . the test group are the various people of different language who heard THEM in their language by the miracle of the Spirit while the control group are those in vs 13 which after hearing the apostles said

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

therefore the control group give us an understanding that what they heard was what made them mock them and how can it be intelligently spoken?

rezy15:
All I knw is today's speaking in tongues is suspect. For the pple thinking the apostles were drunk is understandable. Only a Chinese man would understand a man speaking in chinese in a remote village where nobody hears Chinese and speak only IBO there. Everyone there would think he's drunk. I believe the gift of speaking in tongues was to hasten spread of the gospel like Philip being to convert the Ethiopian. A Galilean speaking Ethiopian? Naturally unheard but it did. Its not babble like nowadays

you are only seeing one side of the picture..pray tell me which soul was converted in this scenarious
acts 10 when cornelius spoke with tongues or the ephesians in acts 19 after paul laid his hands on them? so you see its not just for evangelism.

Originalsly:
Lol...what hard questions? ...OP is full of it...just like those who be making noise mocking God but seriously claiming they be speaking in tongues.... just like the Diciples did on the Day of Pentecost.
Can a tongue speaker ...one who the Holy Spirit gives the gift on Sundays only during the time slot allowed by the Pastor...help me understand why the one speaking in tongue has no clue what he's saying?...nor those around him?. I thought the Bible said if this is the case he should basically sit down and shut up... so why do the opposite? ...keep standing and shouting in church?...isn't this the direct opposite of what God instructed?..then how can one claim to be on God's side when he is doing the direct opposite? ...let me go check what the Bible says about hypocrites.....while I wait for an answer... and pleaseeeeeee..... don't serve me the "some things are spiritual and only the spiritual minds will understand" answer.

paul wrote 1cor 14 to put things in order and not to forbide speaking in tongues. yes in church when there is no interpreter, such a one shoukd be silent AND continue to speak TO himself not to outrightly stop SIT.

thayora:
Op I doubt it if you will make heaven with that long epistles you copy and paste above. Did you even read through it ? I know you will answer yes ..continue

how can i make it to heaven when am already there

kkins25:
Since I was a little kid ive always known speaking in tongues was BS. the pentecostal idea of speaking in tongues is completely nonsense. All "words" uttered are simply gibberish and utterance of a 2 year old baby. gu gu ga ga.

. Psa 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.


Isa 28:11-12

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

kkins25:
the truth has been spoken.

which of this do you subscribe to

a. man consist of spirit, soul and body

or

b. man consist of body and soul.

sampatdikachi:
OP, I didn't read the long epistle you posted but let me ask you, are we not supposed to speak in tongues anything we are filled with the Holy Spirit just as it happened in the upper room?

but you have the Spirit so you can speak in tongues or are you insinuating the Spirit leaves you?

donsiqua:
Fake Christians everywhere. They call that noise they make in 'church's speaking in tongues. Fools keep deceiving themselves.

mock for all i care you aint the first and neither the last

act 2:13  Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Damdeyz:
... Okay Very True, 1cor 14:2& 4 were not explained, but how come there are never any able interpreters in today's vast christendom?

why assume you have gone all over christiandom to say such

Ferisidowu:
lolz ,,,,, I Wonder what this post is doing here...... well what I notice is "one trying to defend his views" but that no ones businesses ...... if you take that as your view concerning tongues it's your choice .............

you aren't convincing others.... neither are you convinced by them.........


although I don't agree with your views sha............ it's common with the "no one understand tongues party"

which of this do you subscribe to

a. man consist of spirit, soul and body

or

b. man consist of body and soul.

otr1:
Firstly, Paul didn't refer to what happened at pentecost or anything remotely like it, "unknown tongue". If you check your Bible, you'll notice that the "unknown" is italicized. It could only mean one thing; "unknown" is not in the original manuscript and was only supplied by Translators for emphasis sake. So the issue of an unknown tongue in the Bible does not suffice. In this chapter, as with chapter 12 and 13, Apostle Paul wrote this letter to the Church in Corinth to correct the abuse of the use of the gift of tongues.
How else do you want him to address the issue of believers addressing the congregation in a language unknown to them, without interpreting or anyone available to interprete?
If I started to address a group of Igbo men in Yoruba language. They don't understand and there is no one to interprete. Who am I speaking to? God, of course, because my audience can not understand my language. That's exactly what 1 Cor 14:2 is saying.
The abuse of this gift was so rife in the Corinthian church that everyone with this gift would show off their ability (self edification; 1 Cor. 14:4a- a selfish thing to do) to speak in other languages regardless if others understand or not (verse 23). Is this not why we read Paul in verse 9 saying " ...except ye utter by the tongue words to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? For ye shall speak into the air"?
If you really didn't stop reading that chapter in verse 2 and finish reading all with open mind, you will understand that Paul was seeking moderacy in the exercise of the gift of speaking other languages in the Church at Corinth, and not talking about the types of tongues we have today. The moment you imagine tongue in that chapter to mean human languages (which is what it is), everything will make a complete sense to you.

question have you heard all the known and extinct languages to conclude that what am speaking is not a language? no yet you insinuate that i am speaking gibberish. yes to your mind its gibberish but to God i might be speaking an extinct language because my known language might not capture the depth of what my spirit wants to express to God. that is why you fail to accept. dont stay on soulical level.

Respect55:
A carnal man does not understand the things of the spirit.

gbam

otr1:
Firstly, Paul didn't refer to what happened at pentecost or anything remotely like it, "unknown tongue". If you check your Bible, you'll notice that the "unknown" is italicized. It could only mean one thing; "unknown" is not in the original manuscript and was only supplied by Translators for emphasis sake. So the issue of an unknown tongue in the Bible does not suffice. In this chapter, as with chapter 12 and 13, Apostle Paul wrote this letter to the Church in Corinth to correct the abuse of the use of the gift of tongues.
How else do you want him to address the issue of believers addressing the congregation in a language unknown to them, without interpreting or anyone available to interprete?
If I started to address a group of Igbo men in Yoruba language. They don't understand and there is no one to interprete. Who am I speaking to? God, of course, because my audience can not understand my language. That's exactly what 1 Cor 14:2 is saying.
The abuse of this gift was so rife in the Corinthian church that everyone with this gift would show off their ability (self edification; 1 Cor. 14:4a- a selfish thing to do) to speak in other languages regardless if others understand or not (verse 23). Is this not why we read Paul in verse 9 saying " ...except ye utter by the tongue words to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? For ye shall speak into the air"?
If you really didn't stop reading that chapter in verse 2 and finish reading all with open mind, you will understand that Paul was seeking moderacy in the exercise of the gift of speaking other languages in the Church at Corinth, and not talking about the types of tongues we have today. The moment you imagine tongue in that chapter to mean human languages (which is what it is), everything will make a complete sense to you.

Please, when you read the Bible ask the Holy Spirit for understanding. Stop misleading people. My people, Nairaland is the wrong place to get Biblical understanding.

uvalued:
which of this do you subscribe to
a. man consist of spirit, soul and body
or
b. man consist of body and soul.

A.
y u ask?

Oracle16:
Please, when you read the Bible ask the Holy Spirit for understanding. Stop misleading people. My people, Nairaland is the wrong place to get Biblical understanding.

is it not d same bible dat has brought ; mormons, jehova witness, calvanist, atheists, Catholics anglicans and even islam?

uvalued:
you are only seeing one side of the picture..pray tell me which soul was converted in this scenarious
acts 10 when cornelius spoke with tongues or the ephesians in acts 19 after paul laid his hands on them? so you see its not just for evangelism.

Funny you! You weren't there to know. At least he wasn't babbling. Speaking in tongues is meant to be understood by man, even sinners. If u think babbling in tongues is allowed ur on a long thing!

otr1:
You're wrong Bro. The Holy Spirit gives the gifts sovereingnly and not by us seeking (1 Cor. 12:4-11). And besides, nobody has all the gifts, not Paul, not any of the Apostles (1 Cor. 12:28-31). The Scripture is clear on this. And no where in the Bible was it stated that speaking in tongues is the gateway to other gifts of the spirit. If it is, it won't be the least of them, but the most important. Don't mislead anyone here. We have a standard by which we judge- the Scripture.

bros u wrong. my daddy God is happy to give me the Spirit how much more the gifts that is by the Spirit.

mhh sorry we are nit to be limited by human limitation...infact all things (via the atonement of Christ) are mine. so who says i CANNOT have all?
1cor 3

21  Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

 22  Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;

 23  And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

vicardino:
The difference between u and I is simple. I say what not know alone but what I have experienced and keep experiencing but you, I don't know what you are trying to get. You remember the story of Apostle paul and Elymas? Act 13:1-12. Are you an Elymas? I will take the pains of answering you and your standard by which you judge.

You said the Holy Spirit gives d gift sovereignly and not by seeking and u quoted 1 cor 12:4-11. Good, let's use the same chapter u quoted to dissect ur claim. 1cor 12:31 "BUT COVET EARNESTLY THE BEST GIFTS: and yet I shew unto you a more excellent way. Lemme explain that verse, Contextually, the "BUT" there is a command for all believers to covet earnestly d gifts and the "COVET" there in greek means "zelos" means "zeal, hunger, eagerness, strong passion and so on". Same zelos used in Matt 6:33 "BUT SEEK ye first the kingdom of God .... Apostle paul has commanded every believer to SEEK, ZELOS, EAGER, HUNGER, HAVE PASSION, RIVAL FOR THE GIFTS and not as you claimed bro. I will still give u further illustration. I pointed it out here yesterday that some folks were quoting 1 cor 14 out of context to fit their narratives, got surprised I wasn't quoted on that. Let's examine 1 cor 14:1, d popular scripture quoted yesterday "Follow after charity and "DESIRE spiritual gifts. I want to believe we know the meaning of that DESIRE, so if u claimed we don't need to seek for the gifts of the spirit, it means we don't need to have passion or zeal or hunger or desire for it, then are the scriptures I have quoted wrong? What was Jesus saying in Matt 7:7-11? Ask and it shall be given, Seek and you shall find, Knock and it shall be opened unto you. If you really knew the scripture, you should know what these verses mean. I want to believe I have put to bed the issue of we don't need to seek for d gifts of the spirit. You can't get what you don't seek and if you have one you got without seeking, maybe just maybe it's from a wrong source.

Second claim: Nobody has all d gifts, not Paul, not any of the Apostles. Lemme lay a foundation here from John 3:34 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth NOT the SPIRIT by MEASURE unto him". I believe we understand spiritual happenings when one gives his life to Christ, you receive a measure of God's spirit and in your daily work with God, u attain the fullness of the Spirit. There's measure and there's fullness. John 3:34 already shows that Jesus had all the gifts of the Spirit. Now let's look at something interesting

Romans 8:17 says we are heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if Christ got the Spirit without measure, what does this mean to u as a joint heir?

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father (John 14:12). If Jesus did all that woks he did cos he got the fullness of the Spirit and it's not possible for anyone to have all(fullness) of the Spiritual gifts (as u claimed), how could Jesus then have said "He that believeth on him, will do the works he did and greater works"?? I know this may not be the milk but it's a bone, i'm sure you know the comparison between milk and bone in the scripture.

Now to use Apostle Paul as an illustration. Romans 15:29 "And i am sure that when I come unto you, I shall come in the FULLNESS of the blessing of the gospel of Christ" How do we know he was referring to "FULLNESS of gifts of the Spirit here"? Let's look at Romans 1:11 "For I long to see you that I may impart unto you some SPIRITUAL GIFT, to the end ye may be established" I'm sure we can relate and understand these two verses.

And to cap it up, when God didn't promise us measure of his Spirit in these last days, he promised us "OUTPOUR" not drops of drizzles, it all depends on every believer's willingness to pay the sacrifice for it. Joel 2:28-29 was when the promise was made, Act 2:1-21, d fulfillment of the promise and God is still fulfilling the promise of OUTPOUR and not measure.

Also worthy of note Act 2:4 And they were ALL FILLED with the Holy Ghost. Not they were given by measure but they were FILLED(FULLNESS). Bro, that no one can receive all(fullness) of spirit gifts is misnomer. Could have explained more but writing ain't my forte.

And lastly, about what I said that speaking in tongues is a gateway to other gifts, how do you stand before God to access other gifts? I have pointed it out that it's by seeking for d gifts, which Apostle paul said by praying and the best form of prayer you can render is by praying in the Spirit Eph 6:18 which is what you do when you speak in tongues, u are accessing God's throne better than praying otherwise because the Bible even says "for we know not how to pray but the SPIRIT itself intercedes for us with groanings which we cannot UTTER. Romans 8:26. You can't assess the spirit gifts except only by ur spirit and you bring in ur spirit by speaking in tongues. This is a practical thing, an experience, u don't stay before God in ur spirit, speaking with God and not getting deeper and deeper. Genesis is the first chapter of the Bible but u don't know God by reciting Genesis alone. Just an illustration. Speaking in tongues does more, I haven't even touched what it does. Maybe you agree with all these apocalypse or not, I believe it will at least make a soul search more into the scripture and search to know more of God. Sorry for the epistle and my explanation.

amen

kkins25:
A.

y u ask?

where did the speaking in tongue come from when the apostles spoke in Acts 2?

uvalued:
which do you subscribe

a. man consist of spirit, soul and body
or
b. man consist of body and soul.



let me add my 11


i sometimes wonder how some selectively choose to ignore those that heard the apostles and mocked them.

in experiments, we have two set test group and control group . the test group are the various people of different language who heard THEM in their language by the miracle of the Spirit while the control group are those in vs 13 which after hearing the apostles said



therefore the control group give us an understanding that what they heard was what made them mock them and how can it be intelligently spoken?

All you said does not relate with what I said. Speaking in tongues is speaking in a known language spoken here in this world. Anything aside this is rubbish and deceit.

adjoviomole:
All you said does not relate with what I said. Speaking in tongues is speaking in a known language spoken here in this world. Anything aside this is rubbish and deceit.

kindly make a choice

which do you subscribe

a. man consist of spirit, soul and body
or
b. man consist of body and soul.

rezy15:
Funny you! You weren't there to know. At least he wasn't babbling. Speaking in tongues is meant to be understood by man, even sinners. If u think babbling in tongues is allowed ur on a long thing!

how sure were you? were you also there ?

uvalued:
how sure were you? were you also there ?

Oh brother I wasnt. But am sure u were at Cornelius's place to know other pple were not converted.

rezy15:
Oh brother I wasnt. But am sure u were at Cornelius's place to know other pple were not converted.

from the report i have in the scripture it was not stated IF anyone was converted...i rest my case. i will not read any further meaning than what its stated.

by the way, kindly make a choice

which do you subscribe

a. man consist of spirit, soul and body
or
b. man consist of body and soul.

uvalued:
from the report i have in the scripture it was not stated IF anyone was converted...i rest my case. i will not read any further meaning than what its stated.

by the way, kindly make a choice

Do I get a prize for choosing?

rezy15:
Do I get a prize for choosing?

for the sake of discourse enlightenment

uvalued:
for the sake of discourse enlightenment

well if had to choose i would go with A

rezy15:
well if had to choose i would go with A

great... now have you ever heard the prayer of spirit?

Oracle16:
Please, when you read the Bible ask the Holy Spirit for understanding. Stop misleading people. My people, Nairaland is the wrong place to get Biblical understanding.

This has nothing to do with understanding of the Bible. Anywhere you see a word being italicized in the Bible like the "unknown" in 1Cor 14, it means the word in question is never in the original manuscript altogether and was only inserted by translators. Many other translations do have footnotes disclaiming "unknown" in that chapter. In some translations of the Bible, "unknown" is absent. Don't just use a translation of the Scripture, buy some others. The Scripture does not start and end with KJV, you know?

uvalued:
bros u wrong. my daddy God is happy to give me the Spirit how much more the gifts that is by the Spirit.

mhh sorry we are nit to be limited by human limitation...infact all things (via the atonement of Christ) are mine. so who says i CANNOT have all?
1cor 3

Yes, you can have all.
I guess Paul was expecting yes for an answer when he wrote in 1 Cor 12:29-30, "Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?"
Check your Bible, and read those verses again and again and come back here to tell me Paul ever alluled to the fact that any single person could actually be an Apostle, prophesy, teach, work miracles, have all the gifts of healing, speak in tongues and also interpret.
What's even the purpose of this epistle in chapter 12 if not to recognise the fact that there are divers gifts (vs 4) and that some have a certain gift, while some have others (vs 8-10)?
1 Cor 12:11 "but all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, DIVIDING (not giving the whole to any single individual) to every man severally as he will."

uvalued:
question have you heard all the known and extinct languages to conclude that what am speaking is not a language? no yet you insinuate that i am speaking gibberish. yes to your mind its gibberish but to God i might be speaking an extinct language because my known language might not capture the depth of what my spirit wants to express to God. that is why you fail to accept. dont stay on soulical level.

We all know the purpose of God for the event of Pentecost and those that follow; to preach the Word to unbelievers in their own very languages and dialects.
If I may ask you, of what purpose is to God for giving you the "gift" to speak an extinct language?
I hope you know why Paul prohibits speaking any unknown language in gathering if it won't be interpreted? And don't tell me "he speaketh unto God", for that's not the purpose of the gift.
I'm assuming what people call "speaking in tongue" today is a language. But we both know you can't utter three sentences in that your "language". It has always been a repetition of 2 to 3 sounds.