giles14:
very funny hope u know that Egyptian air force currently will gain air superiority over Nigeria within a minimum of 48hours unless u get help from a superior power within 24hours

Superior power? It's impossible for Egypt to gain air superiority over Nigeria in 48 hours. Won't those jets refuel. what about bases for it. Cameroon and Chad combine does not have the assets to maintain enough aircraft to gain air superiority over Nigeria. Remember Invading Nigeria means every west African Nation would go to war with you

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barineh:


Superior power? It's impossible for Egypt to gain air superiority over Nigeria in 48 hours. Won't those jets refuel. what about bases for it. Cameroon and Chad combine does not have the assets to maintain enough aircraft to gain air superiority over Nigeria. Remember Invading Nigeria means every west African Nation would go to war with you

Egypt has nothing against Nigeria so let's hope Libya Algeria Israel keep dem busy

barineh:


Superior power? It's impossible for Egypt to gain air superiority over Nigeria in 48 hours. Won't those jets refuel. what about bases for it. Cameroon and Chad combine does not have the assets to maintain enough aircraft to gain air superiority over Nigeria. Remember Invading Nigeria means every west African Nation would go to war with you

Air supremacy is a position in war where a side holds complete control of air warfare and air power over opposing forces. It is defined by NATO and the United States Department of Defense as the "degree of air superiority wherein the opposing air force is incapable of effective interference."[1][2][3]



Air superiority is the second level, where a side is in a more favorable position than the opponent. It is defined in the NATO glossary as the "degree of dominance in [an] air battle ... that permits the conduct of operations by [one side] and its related land, sea and air forces at a given time and place without prohibitive interference by opposing air forces."[2]



This is from Wikipedia but it gets the point across. Egypt does not need to have hundreds of air craft over Nigeria 24/7. They just need to ensure that NAF can not intervien or interfere with operation by there milltary with your air force. That they could easily achieve. All this does not take in to account they can attack your runways with little to no risk. Of course this requires use of a freindly air basses close to Nigeria.

ssaengine:


You clearly have no clue as to the scale of Egypt's military. South Africa and Nigeria's assets combined would be swallowed up by them.

On paper the suadi Arabian countries should crush Yemen they even have friends like UAE. But they Arab armies so more money than Brian.

cutievik:
Intellectuals of a sound minds and striving for more would understand where I was coming from if u "Carefully analyze my comments", and note the guy he quoted wasn't making crazy statement bro but the bitter truth, so if u sir cannot see this reality but choose to remain in ur world then absolutely no need to quote
me again cos am done with u as courtesey demands.

Firstly, I've tackled the angle you were coming from by clearly telling you that you can pass judgement on what you have no knowledge about.

Secondly, I've been on this thread long enough to know the guy have being typing crazy comments base on his imagination. This is someone that only see negative things and turn a blind eye on the positive side. No country's military have it all and people will always have one thing or the other to complain about even against the Egyptian military.

If you are willing to join him posting imaginary claims good for you but I know there is no perfect military that have all they need for their level of treat. Not even US or Russia can boast of such claims. All they do is to close gaps.

barineh:


You clearly have no clue that wars are not won by Assets. They're won by money. Can Egypt's economy sustain a war against Africa's two biggest Economies? Egypt survives because of the large aid it receives.

I doubt there economy could sustain a long war nor could there people. They have a lot of internal problems and a prolonged war would really weaken them. The size of Nigeria's population alone means that Egypt can't win. It could at best not loose. A short war is there only hope. Get it blow stuff up and get out and claim victory.

andrewza:




Air supremacy is a position in war where a side holds complete control of air warfare and air power over opposing forces. It is defined by NATO and the United States Department of Defense as the "degree of air superiority wherein the opposing air force is incapable of effective interference."[1][2][3]



Air superiority is the second level, where a side is in a more favorable position than the opponent. It is defined in the NATO glossary as the "degree of dominance in [an] air battle ... that permits the conduct of operations by [one side] and its related land, sea and air forces at a given time and place without prohibitive interference by opposing air forces."[2]



This is from Wikipedia but it gets the point across. Egypt does not need to have hundreds of air craft over Nigeria 24/7. They just need to ensure that NAF can not intervien or interfere with operation by there milltary with your air force. That they could easily achieve. All this does not take in to account they can attack your runways with little to no risk. Of course this requires use of a freindly air basses close to Nigeria.

The bolded solves the problem. Any neighbouring country that attempt this have a lot to lose. Egypt would need aircraft carrier to have air superiority over Nigerian airspace.

andrewza:



I doubt there economy could sustain a long war nor could there people. They have a lot of internal problems and a prolonged war would really weaken them. The size of Nigeria's population alone means that Egypt can't win. It could at best not loose. A short war is there only hope. Get it blow stuff up and get out and claim victory.

Exactly!! I think it was a bit unfair of people to jump on @barineh case, he had a valid point......It's not how much you have, but how much you can effectively deploy, there is simply no way Egypt will ever be able to afford to deploy enough men to occupy Nigeria.....also through in the fact that Nigeria has a considerable larger economy and much more man power.

On paper Egypt has a much superior military, but in real life money/self sustainability wins wars!!

Lets be honest, it not like you can't see a war coming....Nigeria has the money to potentially build a pretty bad@ss military, only problem I can see with Nigeria is self sustainability since their local defence industry is limited......you could have all the tech in the world, but when you start relying solely on foreign entities for all your spares/armament, then you have a problem, Egypt in that sense is in the same boat IMO

In all honesty all this talk of Air supremacy, comparing individual countries military capabilities and irrational threats of invading or destroying our brotherly nations are not helping this thread...... I may not be a regular contributor but I and many others like me really enjoy this thread and learn a lot from it daily.

These days I visit less due to constant arguments, all the big, patriotic guys on here should tuck their pride, stop throwing shades at eachothers nations and post pics, articles or any content that glorifies our African military prowess. I salute every soldier here, real and non real.

Back to my learning and observatory desk......

giles14:
very funny hope u know that Egyptian air force currently will gain air superiority over Nigeria within a minimum of 48hours unless u get help from a superior power within 24hours

Recent wars have shown that air assets are only good for softening up ground formations or in support of ground units. Getting troops and sufficient equipment into foreign land in a sustained land offensive is still beyond Egypt. Even super powers and major regional powers like UK and France lack in this regard.

So no african country in there current state of military readiness can afford nor sustain an offensive against any top ten military equipped nations in africa.

Covert1:


My brother biko don't try to convince people who have no iota of the doctrine of war. For them is all the shiny toys they see on TV or nairaland most of which will be rust bucket and rust metal when they make first contact with the enemy. Imagine the archaic statement of Egypt gaining air superiority over a country like Nigeria in 48hrs. Egyptian pilots that have been known to be cowardly in the face of real combat. For the naysayers we have no "radar, no early warning system, the Roland's are toothless...". Even Sudan and Ethiopia have been considered no go areas by the Nile Arabs. People forget you can actually buy trouble.

Here we go again fanaticism in full swing.

jln115:


Lets be honest, it not like you can't see a war coming....Nigeria has the money to potentially build a pretty bad@ss military, only problem I can see with Nigeria is self sustainability since their local defence industry is limited......you could have all the tech in the world, but when you start relying solely on foreign entities for all your spares/armament, then you have a problem, Egypt in that sense is in the same boat IMO

You're obviously kidding...


In 2 weeks, Egypt would build-up battalions in a neighbouring country they would want to attack. They can instantly drop 2 battalions by sea with heavy armour and AHs. Then followed by a dozen battalions by air days later.... So when would Nigeria buy weapons? Also keep in mind Nigeria is a divided country, they have more conflicts than the Boko Haram's insurgency so an invading army would have to side with any of the separatists who'll take joy in the fall of Abuja in hope of some sovereignty after the invasion.

Almost same with South Africa, if they could manage to sneak in a SAM system overnight to a neighbouring country then our chances of a preemptive strike would be reduced, then we would heavily really on the SF to try to search and destroy the SAM system. If we fail, we would watch them build a massive military at our doorstep... All they'll need to do is to endure 26 Gripens then the sky is theirs.

barineh:


Superior power? It's impossible for Egypt to gain air superiority over Nigeria in 48 hours. Won't those jets refuel. what about bases for it. Cameroon and Chad combine does not have the assets to maintain enough aircraft to gain air superiority over Nigeria. Remember Invading Nigeria means every west African Nation would go to war with you

They have air refueling capacity , they can use Sudan bases or libyan skies and nigeria neighbours skies are no mans land ( cameroun , south tchad , center africa , niger ) no good radars capacity , no air defense , no jets to stop them , they can refuel in many close skies to nigeria , no one will see them ( maybe only french radars in this countries ) , with their AWACS they can get a safe control of the skies temporarily . and refuel over cameroun or south niger or republic center africa

Egyptian air force with their Rafale, F16 , AWACS , can strike easily in 48h all your major air foce bases , all your navy bases destroy all your Navy and for economy if they strike oil gas fields and facilities , here Nigeria will have a big problem not only to sustain a war but to maintain its economy .

Of course if this unlikely scenario happens it would only be limited to aerial strikes, with air superiority for Egypt , given the distance no ground attack is possible without hudge loses



thats why I find it strange that a big country like nigeria has no modern Air defense capacity ,

ActivateKruger:




You're obviously kidding...


In 2 weeks, Egypt would build-up battalions in a neighbouring country they would want to attack. They can instantly drop 2 battalions by sea with heavy armour and AHs. Then followed by dozens by dozen air days later.... So when would Nigeria buy weapons? Also keep in mind Nigeria is a divided country, they have more conflicts than the Boko Haram's insurgency so an invading army would have to side with any of the separatists who'll take joy in the fall of Abuja in hope of some sovereignty after the invasion.

Almost same with South Africa, if they could manage to sneak in a SAM system overnight to a neighbouring country then our chances of a preemptive strike would be reduced, then we would heavily really on the SF to try to search and destroy the SAM system. If we fail, we would watch them build a massive military at our doorstep... All they'll need to do is to endure 26 Gripens then the sky is theirs.

Note we are NOT a neighboring country. We 3.048km away from them. Moving the amount of Material that would be able to ground Nigeria a nation of over 180 million with over 15million fit for service at any time. Mind you the Middle East is even more divided. If Egypt's military moves another Middle East country would attack the country.

Algerian1:


They have air refueling capacity , they can use Sudan bases or libyan skies and nigeria neighbours skies are no mans land ( cameroun , south tchad , center africa , niger ) no good radars capacity , no air defense , no jets to stop them , they can refuel in many close skies to nigeria , no one will see them ( maybe only french radars in this countries ) , with their AWACS they can get a safe control of the skies temporarily . and refuel over cameroun or south niger or republic center africa

Egyptian air force with their Rafale, F16 , AWACS , can strike easily in 48h all your major air foce bases , all your navy bases destroy all your Navy and for economy if they strike oil gas fields and facilities , here Nigeria will have a big problem not only to sustain a war but to maintain its economy .

Of course if this unlikely scenario happens it would only be limited to aerial strikes, with air superiority for Egypt , given the distance no ground attack is possible without hudge loses



thats why I find it strange that a big country like nigeria has no modern Air defense capacity ,

Let me first begin by saying most respondents here mostly do not take each individual country's threat assessment before some of these comparisons take place.

A war between Nigerian and Egypt will never happen.

The primary threats Nigeria has faced from 1960 - to date have always been internal. Only Tchad and Cameroun have waged war against Nigeria and in both cases, militarily, it didn't end well for both countries.

Politicians declare war, not the military. So in a hypothetical situation between armed conflict between Nigeria and Egypt, Nigeria would have had the time to re-shape defence thinking to confront the Egyptian threat. We are talking between 5 - 10 years of political and diplomatic spat before it boils over to war.

On paper Egypt will completely decimate Nigeria. The numbers are there to see, but war is not won on paper. The Soviets learnt this when they attacked Finland.

Algerian1:





thats why I find it strange that a big country like nigeria has no modern Air defense capacity ,

Not just air defence, sea defence as well. The whole area from Western Sahara to Nigeria is undefended by air or by sea.

barineh:


Note we are NOT a neighboring country. We 3.048km away from them. Moving the amount of Material that would be able to ground Nigeria a nation of over 180 million with over 15million fit for service at any time. Mind you the Middle East is even more divided. If Egypt's military moves another Middle East country would attack the country.

They can use North-Sudan as a staging area. However even this might not work.

Covert1:


My brother biko don't try to convince people who have no iota of the doctrine of war. For them is all the shiny toys they see on TV or nairaland most of which will be rust bucket and rust metal when they make first contact with the enemy. Imagine the archaic statement of Egypt gaining air superiority over a country like Nigeria in 48hrs. Egyptian pilots that have been known to be cowardly in the face of real combat. For the naysayers we have no "radar, no early warning system, the Roland's are toothless...". Even Sudan and Ethiopia have been considered no go areas by the Nile Arabs. People forget you can actually buy trouble.

Don't let us start another war on nairaland....Biko

ActivateKruger:




You're obviously kidding...


In 2 weeks, Egypt would build-up battalions in a neighbouring country they would want to attack. They can instantly drop 2 battalions by sea with heavy armour and AHs. Then followed by dozens by dozen air days later.... So when would Nigeria buy weapons? Also keep in mind Nigeria is a divided country, they have more conflicts than the Boko Haram's insurgency so an invading army would have to side with any of the separatists who'll take joy in the fall of Abuja in hope of some sovereignty after the invasion.

Almost same with South Africa, if they could manage to sneak in a 2.SAM system overnight to a neighbouring country then our chances of a preemptive strike would be reduced, then we would heavily really on the SF to try to search and destroy the SAM system. If we fail, we would watch them build a massive military at our doorstep... All they'll need to do is to endure 26 Gripens then the sky is theirs.

I think your not really understanding what im saying, I mean apart from WW1 all other major conflicts you could see coming 2-3 years in advance, enough to properly arm yourself if need be.

Also saying they will build up battalions in 2 weeks is much easier said than done firstly they have 0 transport aircraft able to transport any M1A1s or any other vehicle heavier than 20tons so that would mean they would need to basically drive there armour and artillery to Nigeria.....considering they only have 170 tank/artillery transports......see the problem? all I can say is good luck trying to transport 1000s of tracked vehicles 3000km+....basically they would need to transport all their armour/artillery by sea, which if it had been SA would have been extremely dangerous with our navy and air force, without an aircraft carrier their air defence will be limited to their frigates......here is were Nigeria would have a problem IF considering we take a preventive attack on to consideration! If we are talking a preemptive attack Nigeria IMO have the resources to properly arm it self in a relatively short amount of time!

Absolutely no way Egypt would come remotely close to being able to invade(vise versa) SA even with the current state of the SANDF, they simply don't have enough force projection to even get near us let alone attack us!! Even if they did manage to get to Angola, their majority tracked base army simply wont have the manoeuvrability required for bush warfare.....Angola/Cuba had air superiority over us almost since the start of the border war.....in terms of man power and equipment not only were they as advanced as us but they also outnumbered us 10-1......yet they failed to win a single battle....why's that?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Lnk9qjB6g9U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnk9qjB6g9U

Algerian1:


They have air refueling capacity , they can use Sudan bases or libyan skies and nigeria neighbours skies are no mans land ( cameroun , south tchad , center africa , niger ) no good radars capacity , no air defense , no jets to stop them , they can refuel in many close skies to nigeria , no one will see them ( maybe only french radars in this countries ) , with their AWACS they can get a safe control of the skies temporarily . and refuel over cameroun or south niger or republic center africa

Egyptian air force with their Rafale, F16 , AWACS , can strike easily in 48h all your major air foce bases , all your navy bases destroy all your Navy and for economy if they strike oil gas fields and facilities , here Nigeria will have a big problem not only to sustain a war but to maintain its economy .

Of course if this unlikely scenario happens it would only be limited to aerial strikes, with air superiority for Egypt , given the distance no ground attack is possible without hudge loses



thats why I find it strange that a big country like nigeria has no modern Air defense capacity ,

Exactly as someone said earlier no African country really has the force projection to actually attack an invade another country like Nigeria, SA , Algeria ect ect!! That said you don't invade countries with your air force! EAF would cripple a country like Nigeria which has no modern air defence systems but as a rule of thumb(or so I read) you need a invading force 2-4 times larger than the one your trying to invade, to actually be able to invade and hold that territory successfully!

ActivateKruger:




You're obviously kidding...


In 2 weeks, Egypt would build-up battalions in a neighbouring country they would want to attack. They can instantly drop 2 battalions by sea with heavy armour and AHs. Then followed by a dozen battalions by air days later.... So when would Nigeria buy weapons? Also keep in mind Nigeria is a divided country, they have more conflicts than the Boko Haram's insurgency so an invading army would have to side with any of the separatists who'll take joy in the fall of Abuja in hope of some sovereignty after the invasion.

Almost same with South Africa, if they could manage to sneak in a SAM system overnight to a neighbouring country then our chances of a preemptive strike would be reduced, then we would heavily really on the SF to try to search and destroy the SAM system. If we fail, we would watch them build a massive military at our doorstep... All they'll need to do is to endure 26 Gripens then the sky is theirs.

Siding with an internal strife is a capability the Egyptians don't have + Internal dissidents don't have the capability to move outside a region

But hypothetically I'd be on my way to cape Verde if Egypt declares war on Nigeria

rka2:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Lnk9qjB6g9U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnk9qjB6g9U

Thoroughly enjoyed.

Beautiful video from Channelstv.

ActivateKruger:




You're obviously kidding...


In 2 weeks, Egypt would build-up battalions in a neighbouring country they would want to attack. They can instantly drop 2 battalions by sea with heavy armour and AHs. Then followed by a dozen battalions by air days later.... So when would Nigeria buy weapons? Also keep in mind Nigeria is a divided country, they have more conflicts than the Boko Haram's insurgency so an invading army would have to side with any of the separatists who'll take joy in the fall of Abuja in hope of some sovereignty after the invasion.

Almost same with South Africa, if they could manage to sneak in a SAM system overnight to a neighbouring country then our chances of a preemptive strike would be reduced, then we would heavily really on the SF to try to search and destroy the SAM system. If we fail, we would watch them build a massive military at our doorstep... All they'll need to do is to endure 26 Gripens then the sky is theirs.

This very thing was brought up before only it was Nigeria VS South Africa. I will point out the flaws once again.


Yes Egypt in theroy could deploy the force but it will not be able to sustain it. Amutuers plan stray experts plan logistcs

Algerian1:


They have air refueling capacity , they can use Sudan bases or libyan skies and nigeria neighbours skies are no mans land ( cameroun , south tchad , center africa , niger ) no good radars capacity , no air defense , no jets to stop them , they can refuel in many close skies to nigeria , no one will see them ( maybe only french radars in this countries ) , with their AWACS they can get a safe control of the skies temporarily . and refuel over cameroun or south niger or republic center africa

Egyptian air force with their Rafale, F16 , AWACS , can strike easily in 48h all your major air foce bases , all your navy bases destroy all your Navy and for economy if they strike oil gas fields and facilities , here Nigeria will have a big problem not only to sustain a war but to maintain its economy .

Of course if this unlikely scenario happens it would only be limited to aerial strikes, with air superiority for Egypt , given the distance no ground attack is possible without hudge loses



thats why I find it strange that a big country like nigeria has no modern Air defense capacity ,

What tankers? Egypt trains with USA tankers and does not have any of there own. So yeah you still need a base close to Nigeria other wise you wl be forced to fly at a altuided to conserve fuel and that means high, aka lots of warning. Sorry Egypt ain't going to hit every Nigerian base in one day. Just because Israel pulled it off on them does not mean they can replicate it over 3000km away. Best chance is a few air raids. But Egypt won't knock NAF out with out at least o E of Nigeria's neibours giving you access to there air bases.


Why does Nigeria need a modern air defence system. You just mentioned all the countries you would over fly In this attack and pointed out they don't have much air force.

Another aspect of our history gone. Sad .

SA returns MiG fighter to Angola

By Dean Wingrin

Under a cloak of secrecy, the South African government has returned a MiG-21 fighter jet that it acquired during the Border War conflict in 1989.

A prized possession of the SAAF Museum and placed on display at Air Force Base Swartkop, the MiG-21bis Fishbed with serial C340 of the Força Aérea Popular de Angola (FAPA, the Angolan Air Force) was acquired in December 1989 when the jet landed in northern South West Africa (now Namibia) after becoming lost and running low on fuel.

General Francisco Afonso Hanga, Commander of the Angolan Air Force, announced on Angolan National Radio (RNA) that the MiG-21 was returned to Angola on Sunday September 17. This was, he is quoted as saying, a goodwill gesture by South African President Jacob Zuma to mark the official opening that day of the Cuito Cuanavale monument.

The fighter was quietly removed from the Museum’s display hall where it was exhibited next to a Mirage F1CZ, its South African Air Force (SAAF) adversary during the Border War, on Friday September 15 before being transported to the nearby AFB Waterkloof. It was then flown to Angola inside a FAPA Ilyushin IL-76TD Candid (serial T-911) transport aircraft.

It is not known if Angola specially requested the return of the aircraft, but Angola has many old MiG-21 aircraft available locally for display purposes.

The news has not been met with enthusiasm by South African military historians and aviation enthusiasts. The aircraft had pride of place at the SAAF Museum and was an important exhibit, drawing many local and foreign visitors to view and take photos of the two old adversaries standing next to each other.

The fighter was acquired by South Africa during the Border War, when on December 14 1989 FAPA pilot Lt Vinez took-off from the airfield at Lubango for a routine ferry flight to Menongue airfield. However, he became lost after entering cloud and decided to divert to the airfield at Cuito Cuanavale.

Flying in a south-easterly direction, but west of the planned route, he became low on fuel and executed a near prefect landing in an open field outside Tsumeb in the then South West Africa (now Namibia). The aircraft sustained minor damage to the underside.

An ex-SAAF officer, who requested not to be identified and was present at the time, says that contrary to popular belief, Lt Vinez had no intention to defect. During discussions at the accident site with him, his greatest concern was that he was in UNITA occupied territory. “It took some time to convince him otherwise,” the officer remarked.

As there was no formal request at the time for the return of the aircraft, it was repaired to display condition for the SAAF Museum by Atlas Aviation’s Apprentice School and first put on display in 1991. It had subsequently been repainted by the SAAF Museum.

Numerous requests to the SAAF and SAAF Museum for comment over the past two days were not responded to.

Pics and story courtesy of http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9400

frumentius:
Another aspect of our history gone. Sad .


Pics and story courtesy of http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9400

That MiG will just rust in Angola, shame.

ActivateKruger:


That MiG will just rust in Angola, shame.

The infuriating part is that they have loads such MiGs that they could have used for display. Hell, we could have just restored some of them to museum display status.

Algerian1:


They have air refueling capacity , they can use Sudan bases or libyan skies and nigeria neighbours skies are no mans land ( cameroun , south tchad , center africa , niger ) no good radars capacity , no air defense , no jets to stop them , they can refuel in many close skies to nigeria , no one will see them ( maybe only french radars in this countries ) , with their AWACS they can get a safe control of the skies temporarily . and refuel over cameroun or south niger or republic center africa

Egyptian air force with their Rafale, F16 , AWACS , can strike easily in 48h all your major air foce bases , all your navy bases destroy all your Navy and for economy if they strike oil gas fields and facilities , here Nigeria will have a big problem not only to sustain a war but to maintain its economy .

Of course if this unlikely scenario happens it would only be limited to aerial strikes, with air superiority for Egypt , given the distance no ground attack is possible without hudge loses



thats why I find it strange that a big country like nigeria has no modern Air defense capacity ,

This has always been my worry

jln115:

Exactly as someone said earlier no African country really has the force projection to actually attack an invade another country like Nigeria, SA , Algeria ect ect!! That said you don't invade countries with your air force! EAF would cripple a country like Nigeria which has no modern air defence systems but as a rule of thumb(or so I read) you need a invading force 2-4 times larger than the one your trying to invade, to actually be able to invade and hold that territory successfully!

Not every conventional conflict has to be about invasion.

What he pointed out is a very clear possibility if there was to be a crisis between the two countries(anything is possible).

In this situation they can just cause enough damage with 2-3 rounds of air raids to cripple our infrastructure etc. That can make a devastating impact to delay a retaliation.

This talk of it can never happen is just nonsense.

andrewza:


Why does Nigeria need a modern air defence system.

Egypt aside, the French in our backyard is a worry we are not doing something about.