skimanski:
Baba Eguns, As much as I blame the Govt for the things that happen. even we still should share the part of the Blame. because i remember when people were saying how can someone charge over 600k for plastering a duplex here on this forum. We argued the issue as if the guys that charged it had committed a crime. If you do a calculation of 25dollars for a Mason here, then you will be shocked you are looking at over N1.5m for that Job.

Now this is it, even if we see a Julius berger kind of artisan here in Nigeria, we would still insist he charges at the least not too far off from what the normal guys are charging. Most time we want him to charge same with the normal guys. I remember the guys that had that argument then on this forum most likely live overseas.

Oga, na beg I beg you, please stop comparing quality of work and materials between Nigeria and USA. Kolewerk

Why do we not have a standard of fees in Nigeria?

I’m pretty sure you belong to various associations. Does this matter ever come up or you guys are okay with the status quo?

skimanski:



Boss You seem to always hit the Nail right at the Point @ Bolded

Abi na, my oga.
In reality we are all consumers and suppliers at some level or the other.
Everybody is selling either a service, skill or commodity. And everybody is also buying something. The difference is in the capacity and industry.

We also all have the right to do what we consider in our best interest and in the manner that best suits us.

signature2012:
Hello gurus in the house.kindly help me go through this quotation,is for a friend here in US.He feels the electrician who is also same as the plumber wants to cheat him.
The building is 3 bedroom ,3 bathroom and 1 living room.

Cc twinskenny
EgunMogaji
Timtol
Mufutau55
Daboomb
Oyb
InvertedHammer and others who have knowledge about this,thanks.

Great minds good day.

To add to what the gurus in the house has said n as quoted to talk I will add a little.


Get a good professional.
One question to ask is his/her capability in handling the project n try to see one project or the other he/she had successfully done.
Two. The reason y there is section (cross section) drawing for bungalows can't b overemphasized.
Not only limited to duplex or shopping complex designs.
There is a part which will reveal the number of doors,windows and other part as required.
Then take a firm courage getting a good professional as said earlier,go to d market together n price it one after the other,then do the bill of quantities urself taken up the plan.
Calculate the amount. Deliver it into his/her hand, not missing the exact price.
If anything wrong happen u can hold him/her responsible.
To be a plumber and an electrician actually seem funny but still possible.
After the 5yrs of study or some trained he/she might still learn it n kw it wella.
So I don't go against that but watch and b smart.
Transparency is one thing to be a successful person if a person is not a fraud.
Happy Sunday!
I drop my pen,Timtol

EgunMogaji:


Oga, na beg I beg you, please stop comparing quality of work and materials between Nigeria and USA. Kolewerk

Why do we not have a standard of fees in Nigeria?

there is a standard of fees, at least for professionals. however like everything else in this country it is abused and we are all guilty in one way or another.

eg an M&E consultant should be paid 5-10% of the value of the project as base fees. but what often happens is the client gets an engineer employed with a firm to do for a fraction of the price [PP]. everyone is happy, but the standard fees suffer. this is replicated across the industry.

I’m pretty sure you belong to various associations. Does this matter ever come up or you guys are okay with the status quo?

the only real value of the membership is the professional recognition/stamp.
their meetings are more social that technical gatherings.
even avenues that should be used to push engineering forward are messed up
autodesk was partnering with NSE to sell their software in africa at reduced prices. for two years autocad was sold in nigeria at 220,000 vs the $4000 price. i'm not sure if the scheme is still on. i do remember that my boss said when he was engaging the NSE guys for revit they started going nigerian on him and he let it go.

It baffles me really when we tend to make comparisons between countries as regards quality of labour/work as well as the wage rate. THERE IS SIMPLY NO BASIS FOR COMPARISON. Don't even attempt it. You need to have lived in both countries ( Nigeria and whatever the "abroad" is) to understand.

Now to my personal experience ( and I like to use this a lot). On this very forum, somebody who probably has allowed the encomiums of his success in the building industry in lekki (to be modest) sunk into his head, got him intoxicated and turned him to lord of the manor once came up with a raft foundation for a property that should be strip pad foundation! It didn't stop there, after about 10 people all corrected this seemingly gravious oversight and this person admitted to being wrong about the foundation, could not come up with a simple structural drawings for a strip pad foundation until about 10 trials! (baffling). Were it to be "abroad", this will never happen if it ever does, you will pay dearly for it. All your years practising architecture will be scrutinised and could lead to your downfall as a professional.

Long story short, this person was going to charge 250k for a 800mm deep excavation that another architect (and trust me this architect knows his onions and he's a silent bulldozer in terms of experience and achievement) is charging 40k for (This is in Nigeria vs Nigeria o Not Nigeria vs "abroad" o).

Even in Nigeria, quality is all about mouth and photo display.

If you have not lived abroad (and I mean if you have never lived in Nigeria and an advanced country), never ever attempt to compare quality or pricing....It's a cry for the moon attempting to do so. Please stop it!

Marilo:
It baffles me really when we tend to make comparisons between countries as regards quality of labour/work as well as the wage rate. THERE IS SIMPLY NO BASIS FOR COMPARISON. Don't even attempt it. You need to have lived in both countries ( Nigeria and whatever the "abroad" is) to understand.

Now to my personal experience ( and I like to use this a lot). On this very forum, somebody who probably has allowed the encomiums of his success in the building industry in lekki (to be modest) sunk into his head, got him intoxicated and turned him to lord of the manor once came up with a raft foundation for a property that should be strip pad foundation! It didn't stop there, after about 10 people all corrected this seemingly gravious oversight and this person admitted to being wrong about the foundation, could not come up with a simple structural drawings for a strip pad foundation until about 10 trials! (baffling). Were it to be "abroad", this will never happen if it ever does, you will pay dearly for it. All your years practising architecture will be scrutinised and could lead to your downfall as a professional.

Long story short, this person was going to charge 250k for a 800mm deep excavation that another architect (and trust me this architect knows his onions and he's a silent bulldozer in terms of experience and achievement) is charging 40k for (This is in Nigeria vs Nigeria o Not Nigeria vs "abroad" o).

Even in Nigeria, quality is all about mouth and photo display.

If you have not lived abroad (and I mean if you have never lived in Nigeria and an advanced country), never ever attempt to compare quality or pricing....It's a cry for the moon attempting to do so. Please stop it!

GREED still remains the basis for which DECISIONS are made, when it comes to Nigerian Professionals!

@Oyb, l bet on eof the reasons that "standard fee" situation did not and cannot work is because it was "imported whole sale" from one advance country where the worker wage/income level, level standard of living, available and freee public infrastructure, e.t.c ...all key-in to that 'fee-structure" and si sustainable for such economy.

Our professionals just see as "wind-fall" and have to adopt it.
Imagine, if one has to pay 5% fee for M & E for a building whose total cost is valued at #50M? That is #2.5M for just M & E alone.
Now, add other professional's fee to it......... and this is not labour cost o!
At the end of the day, "Consultants/Professionals" would cost as much as the cost of building materials and twice as much as cost of Labour/Artisans, in anenvironment where cost of rent will end up being a fraction (0.01%) of what is paid for rent inthose advance countries.

I am not even going to talk about the "quality differences", not to mention that every house owner in Nigeria has to source their own private water, build their own drains, generate their own elelctricity and gas lines, build their own street roads, e.t.c....... something not obtainable in those advanced countries.

I am sure if such Professional fee was pegged at a reasonable value that is commensurate with our "local cost" of doing business in Nigeria, people will embrace it.

Also, a lot of fatcors come together, if and when arriving at any cost/pricing model, not just the whims of somebody or group who think they just want to 'make more money' irrespective of whether it si reasonable and affordable by the local economy.

BTW: Autodesk at $4,000 (abroad) is an equivalent of about #148,000 in Nigeria (forex pegged at #370/$1) , why would the NSE want to advertise it for #220,000?
Same collective greed?

Daboomb:


GREED still remains the basis for which DECISIONS are made, when it comes to Nigerian Professionals!

@Oyb, l bet on eof the reasons that "standard fee" situation did not and cannot work is because it was "imported whole sale" from one advance country where the worker wage/income level, level standard of living, available and freee public infrastructure, e.t.c ...all key-in to that 'fee-structure" and si sustainable for such economy.

Our professionals just see as "wind-fall" and have to adopt it.
Imagine, if one has to pay 5% fee for M & E for a building whose total cost is valued at #50M? That is #2.5M for just M & E alone.
Now, add other professional's fee to it......... and this is not labour cost o!
At the end of the day, "Consultants/Professionals" would cost as much as the cost of building materials and twice as much as cost of Labour/Artisans, in anenvironment where cost of rent will end up being a fraction (0.01%) of what is paid for rent inthose advance countries.

I am not even going to talk about the "quality differences", not to mention that every house owner in Nigeria has to source their own private water, build their own drains, generate their own elelctricity and gas lines, build their own street roads, e.t.c....... something not obtainable in those advanced countries.

I am sure if such Professional fee was pegged at a reasonable value that is commensurate with our "local cost" of doing business in Nigeria, people will embrace it.

Also, a lot of fatcors come together, if and when arriving at any cost/pricing model, not just the whims of somebody or group who think they just want to 'make more money' irrespective of whether it si reasonable and affordable by the local economy.

actually, its a chicken and egg question.
professional fees are also required to keep a buiness up and running and to expand

this is your typical costs for a design firm

hardware - the better your systems, the faster you can work
software - the more up to date and advanced your software is the better, faster, more detailed, and more reliable your design is
wetware - the staff that will use the tools
training - investmet in staff to use these items
support - rent in highbow area, generator costs furniture, etc

the better paid i am, the more i can invest in all of the above and be more professional and comparable to my contempraries abroad

same applies to artisans and technicians

i am working on some pp right now. i am actually swamped.

i am using an asus laptop, ssd, core i7 nvidia 2gb, my old laptop was a zinox i7 hdd, intel graphics. i used money from a gig to replace it. having a reasonably high end system makes design move very fast. [ i used to buy workstations proper, but in ths era]

i am running on my generator
my software is all pirated

if i was doing this full time , and not as a secondary stream of income, i would not be able to make ends meet.

if i was doing this full time, i would still be managing with my zinox which was really starting to slow down

for the lazy, yes its about greed, but for the professionals the lack of a standard scale of fees is hampering their growth and aspirations

Daboomb:



BTW: Autodesk at $4,000 (abroad) is an equivalent of about #148,000 in Nigeria (forex pegged at #370/$1) , why would the NSE want to advertise it for #220,000?
Same collective greed?

your maths is wrong - it was around 600,000 in 2011 [which is when they first did the promo. today it would be 1.4 million.

the promo may still be on if the autocad sold in jumia is not pirated

Someone's research work based on Arch. professional fees,etc,etc.

oyb:


actually, its a chicken and egg question.
professional fees are also required to keep a buiness up and running and to expand

this is your typical costs for a design firm

hardware - the better your systems, the faster you can work
software - the more up to date and advanced your software is the better, faster, more detailed, and more reliable your design is
wetware - the staff that will use the tools
training - investmet in staff to use these items
support - rent in highbow area, generator costs furniture, etc

the better paid i am, the more i can invest in all of the above and be more professional and comparable to my contempraries abroad

same applies to artisans and technicians

i am working on some pp right now. i am actually swamped.

i am using an asus laptop, ssd, core i7 nvidia 2gb, my old laptop was a zinox i7 hdd, intel graphics. i used money from a gig to replace it. having a reasonably high end system makes design move very fast. [ i used to buy workstations proper, but in ths era]

i am running on my generator
my software is all pirated

if i was doing this full time , and not as a secondary stream of income, i would not be able to make ends meet.

if i was doing this full time, i would still be managing with my zinox which was really starting to slow down

for the lazy, yes its about greed, but for the professionals the lack of a standard scale of fees is hampering their growth and aspirations

Oyb,

I agree in some of the things you write.
They have more to do with an "idealistic" situation, as against a "realistic" situation.

Let me sight an example:
When a company debuts with its products or Services in Nigeria, their performance curve ususally lsopes Upwards.
They get rave reviews, increase customer-base and start making money.

But if we go by what l bolded in your statement, the company's CEO is "supposed" to re-invest such proceeds into the business, to expand the business, to improve services and (as in the advanced countries) to compensate the customers by reducing their cost of buying such products or services.

But in the Nigerian scenario, what happens is that the CEO feels "I don arrive"!
he will use the additional income to fund his newly-found extravagnt lifetsyle, but exotic cars, buy personal property (as against bigger business offices), acquire more girlfriends/spouses.

- What he wont do is increase worker's salaries (to improve morale and productivity)!
- He wont say let me reduce what my customers who have staid with me all these years, pay for my product, rather he will keep jerking-up the price, so as to make even more money to fund his reckless life-style!
- He wont invest money in new technology or processes!
- He wont fund research and development to invent new products that will even make him more money!

As a consequence of the above, the business gradually slides down, performance dwindles and customers look elsewhere and the company either becomes "stagnant" or dies naturally.

This is why in Nigeria, you hardly have companies running over generations (as opposed to the 'Established 1709 or 1833 we have in foreign lands). Look at Ford, t name one example. Look at their evolution over the century.

In summary, l am saying the high "professional fees" does not necessarily translate to all those thing you mentioned, in the Nigerian environment.
What we need to do is ensure that such fees are reasonably in tandem with what the people earn and the obtainable standards within which they live. Until such fee reflect "reality", people will continue to avoid them...even with bad consequences

Sir, I am not saying services should be free or knowledge should not be paid for.

oyb:


your maths is wrong - it was around 600,000 in 2011 [which is when they first did the promo. today it would be 1.4 million.

the promo may still be on if the autocad sold in jumia is not pirated

My mistake.
You are right on the figures.

InvertedHammer:

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Buy the materials and negotiate for labour.
He needs strict supervision because a lot of the materials may grow legs.
Two things are possible here:
1. He under quoted the materials to secure the job and along the line he will start demanding for more.
2. He overquoted the materials to accommodate those that will change to bird and fly away.

NB This is the stage owners have most problem with contractors because unlike blocks the materials at this stage cannot be counted or verified.
/

Since you the Client, is not a Plumber, you will still have to rely on the words and instructions of "dangerous" Plumber, to know what to buy and in what quatntity.

Let me relate what happened to me some years back.
I opted for the 'buy the materials yourself' approach.
Plumber wrote so much materials (which l gladly supply as l dont like to starve my artisans of materials) and he keeps asking for more.
But since l monitor him closely (he cant elope with the stuff as l dont hand keys of store to him ), at a point l have so much plumbing items in my store, l could actually open aPlumbing shop!
He just keeps asking for items, with the hope that one day, l will 'slip' and he cant steal them.

Eventually, l resort to taking pictures of whatever he takes in the morning and comparing to what he returns at end of day, while asking him to show me where he used the difference.
But you know now, Naija guys nor dey carry last!
He would tell me, Oga, out of the five elbow l took in the morning, three of them have been used in a pipe that was buried in the wall over there.
Now, do l break the wall to confirm or do l stay with him 24/7 to ensure it is really used there?

I just gave-up and died.

If they see that you are too smart for their antics, they wil up their game to make you waste money by buying what they know you dont need.
My Roofer even connived with the Steptiles manufacturer/seller, to over-invoice me but as usual, l show den say l did nto go to school for nothing.

Daboomb:


Since you the Client, is not a Plumber, you will still have to rely on the words and instructions of "dangerous" Plumber, to know what to buy and in what quatntity.

Let me relate what happened to me some years back.
I opted for the 'buy the materials yourself' approach.
Plumber wrote so much materials (which l gladly supply as l dont like to starve my artisans of materials) and he keeps asking for more.
But since l monitor him closely (he cant elope with the stuff as l dont hand keys of store to him ), at a point l have so much plumbing items in my store, l could actually open aPlumbing shop!
He just keeps asking for items, with the hope that one day, l will 'slip' and he cant steal them.

Eventually, l resort to taking pictures of whatever he takes in the morning and comparing to what he returns at end of day, while asking him to show me where he used the difference.
But you know now, Naija guys nor dey carry last!
He would tell me, Oga, out of the five elbow l took in the morning, three of them have been used in a pipe that was buried in the wall over there.
Now, do l break the wall to confirm or do l stay with him 24/7 to ensure it is really used there?

I just gave-up and died.

If they see that you are too smart for their antics, they wil up their game to make you waste money by buying what they know you dont need.
My Roofer even connived with the Steptiles manufacturer/seller, to over-invoice me but as usual, l show den say l did nto go to school for nothing.

I personally don’t mind becoming a supply store.

I did my Gatemans House mostly from left over stuff from the store.

I have the space to store stuff and prices were cheaper when I was forced to stock them

allCopacetic:


Cheat Him ??
How much does your friend consider a fair cost for running the whole electrical for a three bedroom, all rooms en suite flat?


Don't be deceived, the quote and possibly the "electrician" fall short by a long mile.

Get a “REAL” professional or a seasoned technician who knows what he’s doing. Not people who tell you what you want to hear, or just give you a quote you feel is gentle on your pocket. That choice can cost you greatly in the future. If you are confident in the skill of this person, Negotiate a fair labour price and request a 'standard' bill of materials which you can buy to your taste, keeping in mind the need for quality. buy one item a year if that is what it takes to give you a sound job and peace of mind. There is no sense in rush if you are rushing in the wrong direction.

As a side note , It is not wise to put too much pressure on an artisan for a cheap job. They have mouths to feed and would sometimes be forced to do whatever it takes to keep the job, Often to your own detriment. So Strike a Balance with bargaining . I just hope your friend is not the one unknowingly forcing the electrician to give him unrealistic quantities and prices.

With the mention of stablok fuses I am sure the Distribution board is in place. Take a look at the board and make sure it’s a good one(VERY IMPORTANT).
By the way, D-Boards usually come complete with the fuses/breakers so I’m guessing the guy just billed 5k to make some quick cash (unless you guys elected to buy the board without the fuses at the time, which is very unlikely)
5k cannot buy you 12 pcs of any good stablok fuse.

I am sorry I am dragging us back to what we had argued exhaustively on a few months back.
What does fair price mean. I wish such things can be established here from time to time to help people negotiate for workmanship for their projects.

1. What is fair price for plastering a 5 bedroom duplex?
2. What is a price for wiring a 3 bedroom flat? A 5 or 6 bedroom duplex?
3. What is a fair price for laying of plumbing pipes in a decking? Etc...

Pls make una help give such averages once in a while, ẹ má bínú

EgunMogaji:


The building industry needs to come up with a pricing structure.

This will help greatly.

Baba God bless you.

I have a plumber that billed me 150K as workmanship for a job. All attempts to negotiate down were met with threats.... You walls will get soaked from leakage etc...
When I travelled, my wife faced man and he ended up accepting less than 50k for the same job when she threatened to give it to another person.
When I saw the difference, I just wonder, wetin be fair or average pricing for all these?

EgunMogaji:


I prefer not to really go down this path of debate. We’ve had it before. There’s no point because they’re different landscape.

All I wish for is standard of pricing in materials and labor in Nigeria.

This is not about Nigeria versus USA.

The question you should have asked is, can the $25 buy you lunch for 2 or 3 people? N9000 will probably buy lunch for a whole family for a whole week.
In essence, though the $25 appears do big when converted, it is almost peanuts to the person living in the US

alstacs:


The question you should have asked is, can the $25 buy you lunch for 2 or 3 people? N9000 will probably buy lunch for a whole family for a whole week.
In essence, though the $25 appears do big when converted, it is almost peanuts to the person living in the US

You're right but they'll just shift the goal post. Again.

Before you know it we'll be discussing who is the better Senator, McCain or Saraki.

Hi all, I need 10 China internal door supplied and installed
A tiler who can re do three rooms, rooms had worn carpet
A painter for a three bedroom
Pls recommendation need.
Site location close to Aswani market

alstacs:

Baba God bless you.

I have a plumber that billed me 150K as workmanship for a job. All attempts to negotiate down were met with threats.... You walls will get soaked from leakage etc...
When I travelled, my wife faced man and he ended up accepting less than 50k for the same job when she threatened to give it to another person.
When I saw the difference, I just wonder, wetin be fair or average pricing for all these?

In Nigeria it seems to be ajepajude = chop and quench.

And if you come on here to get an idea of "fair" pricing then you'll be called cheap, etc

I managed to get this price list from a block seller. It clearly showed the approved pricelist for selling blocks.

Now that I no the maximum price to pay I can then focus on the quality of the product. If someone tried to sell me blocks at N500 per then I'll know that they are smoking cheap crack. Just as a example.

Nigranks:
Hi all, I need 10 China internal door supplied and installed
A tiler who can re do three rooms, rooms had worn carpet
A painter for a three bedroom
Pls recommendation need.
Site location close to Aswani market

If this is for your private residence then I would suggest that you seriously consider Skimanski doors https://www.nairaland.com/3691502/doors-cabinets-wardrobe-other-wood

Not sure if my tiler does Lasgidi. I will ask him. I recommend him without any reservation. He's a Togolese and he does good work unless when he has Nigerian assistants and then shyte hits the fan.

alstacs:


I am sorry I am dragging us back to what we had argued exhaustively on a few months back.
What does fair price mean. I wish such things can be established here from time to time to help people negotiate for workmanship for their projects.

1. What is fair price for plastering a 5 bedroom duplex?
2. What is a price for wiring a 3 bedroom flat? A 5 or 6 bedroom duplex?
3. What is a fair price for laying of plumbing pipes in a decking? Etc...

Pls make una help give such averages once in a while, ẹ má bínú

No you're not dragging us back, your input is necessary.

1. Plastering could be mixed with dressing of doors and windows plus window hoods/other external designs. Plastering a 5 bedroom duplex with a complex parapet cannot be same cost as a same sized 5 bedroom duplex without parapet.
2. What if the house owner wants wiring with other jobs done, inverters, automated home systems etc
3. How many toilets, say 8 toilets provision or just 2 toilets on the decking?

We might need to separate these in details to make it easier. I have seen situations where a quarrel starts because the plastering team are asked to dress doors and bring out external designs and they said it was not part of what they were paid for.

Fair pricing in Nigeria could only happen when there is more regulation. Plus, some areas will always be more difficult to work in. There are sites we visit and it's impossible for us to work there and get out same day due to bad roads, should it be charged on same price as projects in the city?

allCopacetic:


Cheat Him ??
How much does your friend consider a fair cost for running the whole electrical for a three bedroom, all rooms en suite flat?


Don't be deceived, the quote and possibly the "electrician" fall short by a long mile.

[b]Get a “REAL” professional or a seasoned technician who knows what he’s doing. Not people who tell you what you want to hear, or just give you a quote you feel is gentle on your pocket. [/b]That choice can cost you greatly in the future. If you are confident in the skill of this person, Negotiate a fair labour price and request a 'standard' bill of materials which you can buy to your taste, keeping in mind the need for quality. buy one item a year if that is what it takes to give you a sound job and peace of mind. There is no sense in rush if you are rushing in the wrong direction.

As a side note , It is not wise to put too much pressure on an artisan for a cheap job. They have mouths to feed and would sometimes be forced to do whatever it takes to keep the job, Often to your own detriment. So Strike a Balance with bargaining . I just hope your friend is not the one unknowingly forcing the electrician to give him unrealistic quantities and prices.

With the mention of stablok fuses I am sure the Distribution board is in place. Take a look at the board and make sure it’s a good one(VERY IMPORTANT).
By the way, D-Boards usually come complete with the fuses/breakers so I’m guessing the guy just billed 5k to make some quick cash (unless you guys elected to buy the board without the fuses at the time, which is very unlikely)
5k cannot buy you 12 pcs of any good stablok fuse.

Bros...you really hit the nail on the head!!!
At the bolded above, in my dealings with some Nairalanders, I have realized that they fall short of what you have stated...they don't like to hear the truth. When you give them estimates that are higher than what they are expecting, they tend to think you want to cheat them. They won't even respond to your mail or message or even acknowledge/thank you for the time you took to give them estimates free of charge. Penny wise, pound foolish...its so appalling.

spyder880:


No you're not dragging us back, your input is necessary.

1. Plastering could be mixed with dressing of doors and windows plus window hoods/other external designs. Plastering a 5 bedroom duplex with a complex parapet cannot be same cost as a same sized 5 bedroom duplex without parapet.
2. What if the house owner wants wiring with other jobs done, inverters, automated home systems etc
3. How many toilets, say 8 toilets provision or just 2 toilets on the decking?

We might need to separate these in details to make it easier. I have seen situations where a quarrel starts because the plastering team are asked to dress doors and bring out external designs and they said it was not part of what they were paid for.

Fair pricing in Nigeria could only happen when there is more regulation. Plus, some areas will always be more difficult to work in. There are sites we visit and it's impossible for us to work there and get out same day due to bad roads, should it be charged on same price as projects in the city?

Oga Spyder880, Nigeria is not on Mars Sir. Every other country in the world have the same challenge of location.

Different subdivisions even in the same city can have different pricing schedule.

The concept of fair pricing is that the same issues like roads, materials deliveries that Spyder880 will face will also be faced by Skimanski and all other builders. How Spyder880 makes more money even with standard pricing is by being more efficient.

allCopacetic:

Lol, no be fight na oga Eguns.
I do not need to hire one to know.

I also am very impressed with what it takes to be qualified as one. This is what we NEED!!!!

Annual average wage of plumber is $50k-$60k?

I hope you understand how average is computed. No need of mentioning regional rates. A plumber in Idaho may not come close to a plumber in SoCal. Just saying...

Pay Nigerian workers N100k per day, the result will be the same. They don't have the patience to learn a trade. It gets worse with no central certification. Anyone can buy a headpan and trowel and become a mason overnight. No be to hold blocks with cement?

You know it is not about the labour rate when you look at some houses built in the 50's. The attention to details is very remarkable. But these days, one mason wants to lay 400 blocks in one day because of cost/block. A plumber will get 3 jobs in different cities and the macabre dance starts.

I believe most of the artisans wear bad workmanship as a badge of honour. I can really envisage them giving high-five to one another at the mediocrity of their work... Or so it seems.

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InvertedHammer:


Annual average wage of plumber is $50k-$60k?

I hope you understand how average is computed. No need of mentioning regional rates. A plumber in Idaho may not come close to a plumber in SoCal. Just saying...

Pay Nigerian workers N100k per day, the result will be the same. They don't have the patience to learn a trade. It gets worse with no central certification. Anyone can buy a headpan and trowel and become a mason overnight. No be to hold blocks with cement?

You know it is not about the labour rate when you look at some houses built in the 50's. The attention to details is very remarkable. But these days, one mason wants to lay 400 blocks in one day because of cost/block. A plumber will get 3 jobs in different cities and the macabre dance starts.

I believe most of the artisans wear bad workmanship as a badge of honour. I can really envisage them giving high-five to one another at the mediocrity of their work... Or so it seems.

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That says it all. Nigerians are in a hurry to make money and hammer without putting in work.

@Egunmogaji

Many thanks, pls let me know if he can help. I have got a contact for the doors @18,000 each on jiji
Nigranks:
Hi all, I need 10 China internal door supplied and installed
A tiler who can re do three rooms, rooms had worn carpet
A painter for a three bedroom
Pls recommendation needed
Site location close to Aswani market

If this is for your private residence then I would suggest that you seriously consider Skimanski doors https://www.nairaland.com/3691502/doors-cabinets-wardrobe-other-wood

Not sure if my tiler does Lasgidi. I will ask him. I recommend him without any reservation. He's a Togolese and he does good work unless when he has Nigerian assistants and then shyte hits the fan.

Yes, Europe is your best bet... There lots of them in France under the brand of Renault.

EgunMogaji:


Okay, thanks.

I'm limiting to a 10 ton.

I want to get from Europe to save shipping (not touching Naija used with a ten-foot pole), is it form Europe?

alstacs:


The question you should have asked is, can the $25 buy you lunch for 2 or 3 people? N9000 will probably buy lunch for a whole family for a whole week.
In essence, though the $25 appears do big when converted, it is almost peanuts to the person living in the US

My brother you're very wrong, as poor as Nigerias are in Naija easily someone can give you 10k for doing nothing. I mean doing nothing! for he or she. Here you may have to work hard for that $25, no one gives you money out here for free. So please get that impression right Many here can testify on that ok. Mind you $25 is not peanuts. Let it be very appreciated with great respect from anyone who comes to Naija from abroad and give you or anyone naira equivalent of that amount, it's not a joke to make money here no matter what one does for living. So pls get that right and clear.

Allcopacetic over to you for expertise.

What kind of distribution box can i used for 3 one bedroom flats prepaid meter installations in each of the flat. I was asked to get a distribution box so that i dont have to do 3 direct connections from the pole but just one connection and the distribution box to connect the other 2 flats.

Its a 3phase meter for each flat.

Just a simple one with Cost idea and picture if available.
Thanks alot

alstacs:


I am sorry I am dragging us back to what we had argued exhaustively on a few months back.
What does fair price mean. I wish such things can be established here from time to time to help people negotiate for workmanship for their projects.

1. What is fair price for plastering a 5 bedroom duplex?
2. What is a price for wiring a 3 bedroom flat? A 5 or 6 bedroom duplex?
3. What is a fair price for laying of plumbing pipes in a decking? Etc...

Pls make una help give such averages once in a while, ẹ má bínú

One room you need two bricklayers and one server for the walls
Just inside the building
so for 5 bedroom you need total of 10 bricklayers and 5 servers
Living and dinning room four bricklayers and two servers
You have the hallway and kitchen let us put four bricklayers and two servers
Total bricklayer is now 18 and servers 9 servers
If Bricklayer is N3000 a day
Servers is N2000 a day
Total for bricklayers N54,000
total for Server is N18,000
Total to plastering five bedrooms and one living and dinning is N72,000

@ oga EgunMogaji and oga mafutau55 please help me with one architecture with the name " midastouch" on the forum.

For that state-of-the-art POP works, painting etc, call me on 08123275855. Check my signature for more.