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jookunlaja:
Having read her piece and the responses of others on the platform,I make bold to tell all of you that the issue of religion is very personal.I feel her pains,struggle and circumstances and being a very pragmatic Christian,I must also confess that there are issues beyond the ordinary.
I also suffered for years in the hands of spirit wife and demonic forces that pummeled me almost on a daily basis.In fact, I ran to sleep on a church altar one night thinking that the demons sleeping with me in my dreams and making me to wake up soaked with my sperm will not come near me but lo and behold around 1 am,I was attacked again. Some nights,I will have the experience like twice.I prayed,fasted, 3- 6 days dry fasting,that is fasting with only water and sometimes fasting without water for three days.All unfortunately was to no avail.Oh my God,I suffered in the hand of demonic powers--- like snakes,swarm of snakes in my dream, being pursued like mad,eating,masquerades,evil animals etc.Only God can explain what I went through for years. Meanwhile, I was a youth leader in my church and many call me,Pastor Pastor.Not knowing that I was secretly suffering and dying.
Like Vannesa7 did,the next thing is to start attending different churches and go for deliverance in different locations in Lagos and outside Lagos.My inner life was in total shambles.Poverty and misery were my second identity.Believe me,before I could use a common handset,it took me years to get.Oh I really suffered.
However, I did not for once lose faith or contemplate abandoning my faith or going to shrines.I continued searching and reading.I read alomst all the books i can get on deliverance,dreams victory,household powers,demonic oppression and all pastors' who preach on deliverance became my mentor.
For years,I was in this shackle until one day when I mistakenly stumbled on the solution.Believe me,the solution was far simpler than I ever thought it could be.The solution to my years of horror and misery in the area of dream deliverance was just too simple to believe.Years after,I am still sincerely free,delivered permanent by the awesome power of Jesus.
In those days,even when I shout Jesus,that power will still oppress me and hook me down to the bed,pinned me down to the point that I wont be able to talk or move again.My clothes always wet every night from being tortured and from wet dreams.Some explain away wet dream as psychological or just the natural way of the body discharging unused semen from the body but will it now be everyday and after having some horrible dreams?
No medical explanation can suffice for daily wet dreams and nightly dream horrors which I suffered for many years,virtually throughout my teenage and early adult life.I got delivered permanently when I was about 30 years old.
My wife also had this experience.She lost about three pregnancies,she always have dream sex also.We prayed and fasted but no solution.We approached a supposed Pentecostal pastor who said the solution was for her to come and have three days fasting and prayers in his church and that she will burn the cloth she worn for the programme after prayers and bury it.After leaving the church,I plainly told my wife that we wont go back to that place for anything again.
Believe me sincerely,after some time,the solution also came and it was also so unexpectedly so simple and so unimagined.I speak the truth and I lie not,the solution was so simple, so easy and so certain,however,many years after she's still free and still delivered.
My wife's de;iverance came during a sunday school class in RCCG, I just heard a word from God and i excused myself and went outside the church to pray for just few minutes and I knew it that that was the last time she would ever experience that nightmare again.
My own deliverance came as I was reading Rebecca Brown's book, HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE. I just stumbled on a single insight that set me totally free with just simple words of prayers,without even shouting and screaming as I used to do before.
I have documented my deliverance experience in a book I wrote titled 'Dreams and Interpretation to do it yourself'.Many are going through this issues without knowing what to do.Life itself is full of mysteries but I sincerely submit that Jesus is still alive to deliver.Meanwhile,while I was suffering I pray for people and they receive answers.I minister Holy Spirit baptism and people fall under the anointing when I pray. I was a semi-successful Christianso to say from the outward side but was secretly suffering till my hand touch the solution.My full encounter is in my book,I have sold over 1000 copies and can only sell the e book as I cant afford the reprinting presently.send a text to me for your ebook 07035697820.Though when I'm less busy,I will post more details here especially for people who cant afford to purchase the ebook. Or if you dont have the means to buy,just send me a pm/dm and I will send the PDF to you free of charge,to silence people who may say I came here to advertise my book.
Cases like her own experience is very common in the school of deliverance,the more you fast and pray,the more the powers will oppress and afflict you and when you stop praying,the powers will stop afflicting you.Its a common case.Some when they pay tithes,things would be tight for them but when they stop,things would go on well for them.Those are simple deliverance cases which could have been resolved by digging to the depth.
Mrs. Vanessa7,I have noting to say but to tell you that I was once in your shoes but Jesus eventually delivered me after years of struggle and secondly that deliverance sometimes could be in stages/processes. I saw one or two places where you missed it but i am not here to blame you but we can talk later.
great day ahead

Precisely....deliverance is not a one day thing...it can take a lifetime to be completely delivered....i feel sympathy for vannessa, she feels because the attacks have ceased she's in the right religion.
Several times in the past after fasting for days, my situation only got worsening.... WHY? satan doesn't give up easily...without a fight. Many believers give up on God not knowing that they are closer to their breakthroughs.
I would advice Vanessa to endure....

vannessa7:
Anyway I have since arrived at some derivative due to my experience of both religion, I have read the Bible through several times and I'm reading the Quran now in English version and I've been through it once and I'm reading it again, i was shocked to discover the Quran wrote about the Bible from beginning to end, it is like a commentary or verification of the Bible, however, I'm also surprised that through out the Quran God made it clear that serving others as partner to Him is not allowed, He said on the judgement day He will call Jesus and Mary mother of Jesus if they were the one that told people to worship them and they will say no and those worshipping them along with God will be thrown in hell, I now remember the 10 commandments where God state that we should not worship anything along with Him, not things in heaven, on earth or under the earth, I also thought of the Lords prayer given by Jesus to his disciples, He said we should pray to God in heaven, even all the miracle of Jesus he always attribute them to God, however the Holy Quran says any one who does not believe in any of the prophets will not make heaven including Prophet Mohammed(SAW).He said Jesus came through the word of God , be, sent to mary,

Allah love and chose you. He guides whom ever he will to the right path. Congratulations my sister.

vannessa7:
You know, I need to point out to you that my write up is not for everyone, there is someone out there who my experience will help, every deed of man is in plain sight of God who sees the innermost thoughts of every man, all your points don't apply to me because there is no principle I didn't follow, I believed whole heatedly and I never missed any tithe, I had to resign my job myself when a co worker went diabolical on me and nearly killed me, I prayed hard but no respite, anyway your life is different from mine and my experience is different from yours, when you said I should be able to experience the miracles of God in my life if God is using me for others, this shows you don't really have any experience in warfare, there are many men of God performing miracles yet have serious challenges, it took Pastor Olukoya of mfm 16years to have a child though he was praying for people and they were giving birth, I know pastors who are childless but they are dedicating other people children, as for attending programs in other churches, all gift are meant to perfect the saints, your pastor can only specialize in an area, and since pastors invite each other to their churches what is wrong in attending special programs in other churches, anyway all I know is I was blind now I can see, Islam enjoin us to believe all the prophets but serve God, so I still read the Bible because Quran said God sent it down, if you read carefully the words of Jesus you will see he pointed us to God, Apostle Paul is the one that made Jesus God and he never even walk with him when he was alive, go and focus on the message of Jesus himself

Vannessa, I can feel you to the marrows of my bone. I am moved to tears. You have been there, You have seen it all, so you can authoritatively and convincingly talk about the light now. My mum had similar experience. Today she is so dedicated to Islam. No matter how u explained to people who are still in that spot where you just left, they will never be convinced just like u used to be. Pls give thanks to ur Mother, for she is ur guiding angel. I love you for the sake of Allah, Congratulations.

GodsMopol:
So it was all a lie in quote, half story

you created the thread just about the time you claim you left Christianity

You never told us about the fact you were a widow

ooooooh,

Why have you resulted to cheap black mail. What gain is in it for you. How is her not telling u she was a widow has to do with this topic. All along she has put forth a superior argument, say something reasonable or stop being silly. It has become characteristic of people like u, that no sooner were they cornered over a religious discussion like this, they result to chasing shadows and trivialities just to save their face and their warped belief.

So many things are running through my mind, I'll just ask since you're once a Christian' and as a Moslem believe in Jesus as a prophet, The bible has scriptures that implied or inferred that Jesus Christ is GOD, I believe you know them especially the ones spoken by Jesus Christ or that was said to Him, are you saying they are false?

Richdotcom:
Sorry to say madam but It's either you never entered a church and sumbody told you this story or you are just playing around and trying to catch some fun here on NL...... So Satan always have a way of making you unholy because of your foundation?But pastors have holiness obviously they never had wrong foundation ?



The Bible says faith comes by hearing(understanding), if you don't understand what the word of God says about a situation, you can pray and pray and pray and you will still be lost!!! You were too carried away with either your church activities or your search for solution that you didn't try reading and understand what God words says, you didn't bother to know who you are in Christ.....



Who told you that your foundation will always be an hinderance to your relationship with God? Who told you that?



I had foundation issues, with the word of God and with holy communion and with understanding I destroyed mine, right in my self contained many years ago when I was still in the university..never to be a problem anymore to me...... there is a saying that the problems we face in life is a function of our ignorance....... the Bible says my people died for lack of knowledge, the devil was playing you around because you lack the knowledge.





Madam sorry initially I said your faith was shaking, it not your fault it's the fault of the assemble you were or the mind set you used in visiting those other churches..... you were too carried away searching for solutions to your problem that you never for once choose to know God for yourself thus when you "saw" what looked like a fix to your problem you automatically believe God is here.



Because if you truly did try knowing God for yourself you will discover that there is no difference between you and the "holy pastor" in the sight of God...... the only difference is that he knows God and what he says concerning that foundation problem, but you don't!!!


I tell you this, those pastors too had foundation problems, how come they solved it and got "holiness" according to you?

I will tell you, because they know the word of God for them self.

Madam I am not trying to make you feel bad but deep down within you, you know i am saying the truth.... you were going from church to church looking for the man of God to touch you and solve your problem or give you prayer point so you will get " solution" ..... you didn't bother to know God for yourself.




madam what you passed through was hard yes I know..... but people have passed even harder challenges too and conquered...... yours isn't different, nothing new under the earth.



And once again I need to say this, you can see vision and dream of exam questions, you can even be a first class student in your days, that doesn't mean you know God, you might know about him but don't know him personally, I mean having a personal relationship with him.




I am not trying to talk down your newly found religion or scare you but you ain't getting those attacks anymore because you are currently in the devil camp..... thus he will let you for a while .

You know I cannot respond to everyone but I will try my best, I think it is offensive and unacceptable to me that you are making concrete statements concluding who I was and my experiences when you are not the Holy Spirit, to say I didn't know God for myself is a joke or lie or incongruous, you thought I just up and joined Islam without being led? There are many things I can't say here because social network is not like real life, and yes the higher you go in spiritual hierarchy the more anointing and power, to carry out the assignments, I attended many pastoral trainings o and tried to be a pastor then, any pastor that told you church members have the same level of anointing as their pastors have another thinking coming, and as for my faith it was so strong It could move mountains, I knew the word of God and I still quote them even now because it is sharper than any two edged sword, but when you are not able to keep your holiness 24/7, the word of God will only work for those that belong to God.
I will tell you like Jesus said the devil will not cast out devil because a house divided against itself will fall, Islam monotheism is a religion of the only living God, what we say throughout prayer is worship of God demonstrated by bowing down to Him, when we say Laila Illalahi Muhammadu rosul lilahi, I. e none has the right to be worshipped but God and Mohammed is His messenger the devil flee immediately, Bisimillahi Ramoni Rahim which means in the name of God the most gracious and the most merciful, you are sanctified , Christians can delude themselves from now till next year that Islam is bad but we know better and God knows better, there have been too many signs even in this our present world pointing to Islam and I'm sure they will over the internet, is it a coincidence that I married a former pastor who is now an Islamic scholar comparing Islam to Christianity ,he get invited to speak at Islamic functions often and he has written a book. I just prayed and we met I didn't hand pick him and he is an edo man not Yoruba,

GodsMopol:
See, the devil is the primary enemy of God from the start. See, the fact you see someone in your dream doesn't mean they are the one actually perpetuating those evil. I was listening to Olukoya explaining the die by fire concept and he said, its not the person that they are praying should die, rather, the spirit behind it.


We know of many prophets before Jesus who preached and proclaimed the message of God, but I always have this question, Mohammed seem to be off the mark. Mohammed was said to have fought wars, killed in the name of allah, the question is, considering past prophets, which of them was as brutal as Muhammad, have you ever taken time to recognise that, the isa in the quran might not really be the Jesus we proclaim.



Like I said, Americans will not fight Americans, but allow a terrorist into the territory, American is on their heels. See, light can't fight light as i said earlier, it would rather enhance the light. Jesus suffered on earth, we all know that, aside the constant criticizm his disciples faced

Lemme ask, who is Jesus to you

From my write up I said exactly the same the that people are actually not the one afflicting you but the devil who is able to borrow their soul which is corrupt through polytheism, worshipping others beside God, saying thank you Jesus for what God has done, after seeing the complain of God all over the Quran about people associating partners with Him I actually cringe now when I hear thank you Jesus, Jesus that prayed to God while on earth and said he can of himself do nothing, God said in the Quran that anyone associating partners with Him should ask if those partners created anything or were not themselves created by God,

The Bible is more bloody than the Quran, I still cry when I read the Old Testament and I just have to accept we can't question God when I see the level of violence, killing even babies and everything during war with enemies of Israel, David the beloved of God killed uncountable people, even the Israelite when they complained against God, the ground opened and swallow them, plagues, did you see how prophet Samuel he's down the king captured by Saul during the war, do you want to talk about Elijah and Elisha, calling fire to consume people because he was afraid and Elisha cursing children and she bear devoured them because they made jest of him, and before you say it's Old Testament , all this situations directly deal with God who created all things and is the Almighty, the law of Moses is the law of God, Moses didn't generate it himself, Mohammed too dealt directly with God and when fighting against the enemies of God it's either you obey or not, it is what brought king Saul down because he refused to kill some people . America has already made themselves God's enemy by all their gay laws and sexual laxity, so I have nothing much to say about that, as per who is Jesus to me, I already answered that in another quote

jookunlaja:
Having read her piece and the responses of others on the platform,I make bold to tell all of you that the issue of religion is very personal.I feel her pains,struggle and circumstances and being a very pragmatic Christian,I must also confess that there are issues beyond the ordinary.
I also suffered for years in the hands of spirit wife and demonic forces that pummeled me almost on a daily basis.In fact, I ran to sleep on a church altar one night thinking that the demons sleeping with me in my dreams and making me to wake up soaked with my sperm will not come near me but lo and behold around 1 am,I was attacked again. Some nights,I will have the experience like twice.I prayed,fasted, 3- 6 days dry fasting,that is fasting with only water and sometimes fasting without water for three days.All unfortunately was to no avail.Oh my God,I suffered in the hand of demonic powers--- like snakes,swarm of snakes in my dream, being pursued like mad,eating,masquerades,evil animals etc.Only God can explain what I went through for years. Meanwhile, I was a youth leader in my church and many call me,Pastor Pastor.Not knowing that I was secretly suffering and dying.
Like Vannesa7 did,the next thing is to start attending different churches and go for deliverance in different locations in Lagos and outside Lagos.My inner life was in total shambles.Poverty and misery were my second identity.Believe me,before I could use a common handset,it took me years to get.Oh I really suffered.
However, I did not for once lose faith or contemplate abandoning my faith or going to shrines.I continued searching and reading.I read alomst all the books i can get on deliverance,dreams victory,household powers,demonic oppression and all pastors' who preach on deliverance became my mentor.
For years,I was in this shackle until one day when I mistakenly stumbled on the solution.Believe me,the solution was far simpler than I ever thought it could be.The solution to my years of horror and misery in the area of dream deliverance was just too simple to believe.Years after,I am still sincerely free,delivered permanent by the awesome power of Jesus.
In those days,even when I shout Jesus,that power will still oppress me and hook me down to the bed,pinned me down to the point that I wont be able to talk or move again.My clothes always wet every night from being tortured and from wet dreams.Some explain away wet dream as psychological or just the natural way of the body discharging unused semen from the body but will it now be everyday and after having some horrible dreams?
No medical explanation can suffice for daily wet dreams and nightly dream horrors which I suffered for many years,virtually throughout my teenage and early adult life.I got delivered permanently when I was about 30 years old.
My wife also had this experience.She lost about three pregnancies,she always have dream sex also.We prayed and fasted but no solution.We approached a supposed Pentecostal pastor who said the solution was for her to come and have three days fasting and prayers in his church and that she will burn the cloth she worn for the programme after prayers and bury it.After leaving the church,I plainly told my wife that we wont go back to that place for anything again.
Believe me sincerely,after some time,the solution also came and it was also so unexpectedly so simple and so unimagined.I speak the truth and I lie not,the solution was so simple, so easy and so certain,however,many years after she's still free and still delivered.
My wife's de;iverance came during a sunday school class in RCCG, I just heard a word from God and i excused myself and went outside the church to pray for just few minutes and I knew it that that was the last time she would ever experience that nightmare again.
My own deliverance came as I was reading Rebecca Brown's book, HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE. I just stumbled on a single insight that set me totally free with just simple words of prayers,without even shouting and screaming as I used to do before.
I have documented my deliverance experience in a book I wrote titled 'Dreams and Interpretation to do it yourself'.Many are going through this issues without knowing what to do.Life itself is full of mysteries but I sincerely submit that Jesus is still alive to deliver.Meanwhile,while I was suffering I pray for people and they receive answers.I minister Holy Spirit baptism and people fall under the anointing when I pray. I was a semi-successful Christianso to say from the outward side but was secretly suffering till my hand touch the solution.My full encounter is in my book,I have sold over 1000 copies and can only sell the e book as I cant afford the reprinting presently.send a text to me for your ebook 07035697820.Though when I'm less busy,I will post more details here especially for people who cant afford to purchase the ebook. Or if you dont have the means to buy,just send me a pm/dm and I will send the PDF to you free of charge,to silence people who may say I came here to advertise my book.
Cases like her own experience is very common in the school of deliverance,the more you fast and pray,the more the powers will oppress and afflict you and when you stop praying,the powers will stop afflicting you.Its a common case.Some when they pay tithes,things would be tight for them but when they stop,things would go on well for them.Those are simple deliverance cases which could have been resolved by digging to the depth.
Mrs. Vanessa7,I have noting to say but to tell you that I was once in your shoes but Jesus eventually delivered me after years of struggle and secondly that deliverance sometimes could be in stages/processes. I saw one or two places where you missed it but i am not here to blame you but we can talk later.
great day ahead

I had to quote you because of all you said, I want to tell you that you eventually got delivered because you belong to a church of God, rccg, where God is the foundation and God is given His due worship, with my years of experience in Holy Ghost services, the GO also recognize this fact and always give God His true worship, my mother even said it that she always see the GO praying to God whom he call father, he recognized Jesus as the gift and God the giver of the gift, I'm sure if I had started in rccg I wouldn't have gone through what I went through, the first church I attended always manifested even when I joined Rccg, if any song was sang which is the same with that former church, immediately they start manifesting and all other afflictions, they eventually killed my first husband and my sister. I must have done at least 30 deliverances in 3days dry fasting including 7days dry fasting ,I used to get respite for a while then they come back, I fainted in the toilet after a particularly deliverance and nobody could lift me up from urine and faeces because everyone was too weak from dry fasting, I had to wake up and get up by myself, my brother I thank Almighty Allah that it's all over

@Op, I am sure you were never a true Christian. Probably you had been calling yourself a christian but you were never one.

I have my reasons:

1___ You started a thread which you want people to believe but failed to answer a simple question that relates to what you posted.

2------- No sane person would read the Bible and the quran with understanding that would tell you that the quran is the WORD OF GOD. This is the plain truth.

3____ A true christian believes every word of Jesus Christ and obeys his commandment.

4----- - How can you make heaven when you abandon a gentle Saviour , Jesus Christ, who died for your sin to give you eternal life, to follow a murderer ,an adulterer, a worshipper of idol , allah. muhammed was a complete false prophet and an anti christ he claimed Jesus was never crucified.

Go and write this down, if you die as a muslim, you are going to HELL ETERNAL..

I was a muslim , so I know the quran and some hadith and I can tell you plainly that allah is not your Creator neither is he the Creator of the Universe. Allah' s house is the Kabah. That is why evey mosque in the world must face the kabah and on hajj, they must go round it seven times. That is plain idolatory.


It is a the fake that comes after the original. unless the product is from the same manufacturer and going through modification and upgrade. Christianity was b4 Islam more than 600 yrs.

Remember , Jesus tells us in: John 4:22 KJV
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Muhammed was not a Jew. All other prophets ,except muhammed ,were all Jews.

You have to repent and receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

GodsMopol:
I was shocked when I saw this, I rest my case

I don't know what is shocking in that thread I already said it that my husband died after four years of marriage from the beginning, I also said I converted to Islam Nov 2016. Check very well

enilove:
@Op, I am sure you were never a true Christian. Probably you had been calling yourself a christian but you were never one.

I have my reasons:

1___ You started a thread which you want people to believe but failed to answer a simple question that relates to what you posted.

2------- No sane person would read the Bible and the quran with understanding that would tell you that the quran is the WORD OF GOD. This is the plain truth.

3____ A true christian believes every word of Jesus Christ and obeys his commandment.

4----- - How can you make heaven when you abandon a gentle Saviour , Jesus Christ, who died for your sin to give you eternal life, to follow a murderer ,an adulterer, a worshipper of idol , allah. muhammed was a complete false prophet and an anti christ he claimed Jesus was never crucified.

Go and write this down, if you die as a muslim, you are going to HELL ETERNAL..

I was a muslim , so I know the quran and some hadith and I can tell you plainly that allah is not your Creator neither is he the Creator of the Universe. Allah' s house is the Kabah. That is why evey mosque in the world must face the kabah and on hajj, they must go round it seven times. That is plain idolatory.


It is a the fake that comes after the original. unless the product is from the same manufacturer and going through modification and upgrade. Christianity was b4 Islam more than 600 yrs.

Remember , Jesus tells us in: John 4:22 KJV
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Muhammed was not a Jew. All other prophets ,except muhammed ,were all Jews.

You have to repent and receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Your bold assertions does not make you God to decide who will go to heaven or hell, you were never a serious Muslim and you didn't experience the power of God in Islam, before Jesus came many people walked with God and pleased God, even a whole town of Nineveh repented when Jonah preached to them, Job pleased God so much God boasted about him, if you keep attributing all the glory that belong to God to Jesus you are definitely on your way to hell because God will not share His glory with any man.

vannessa7:
I felt compelled to write this after observing the online tussle between Muslim's and Christians here on Nairaland about who is right or wrong. After going through my write up I'm sure you might be more enlightened, I converted to Islam Nov 2016 after 20years of being a dedicated born again minister, I was a home fellowship leader, prayer warrior member, sanctuary cleaner, evangelist, followup member, I used to pray for members of my fellowship and God perform miracles, I use to receive revelations about members that will be perfectly accurate, I was always in every service, but nothing was happening in my life, I had a lot of respect from people that knew how God was using me but nothing was happening in my life, no husband, I lost my job after attaining a top management position, I had incessant witchcraft attacks, familiar spirit, ancestral curses and family idol, I became a deliverance junkie in mfm, I never missed rccg Holy Ghost service, winners Shiloh, I eventually got married 10yrs after graduation, 4yrs later my husband died, by that time I had crossed over to rccg with my husband in Abuja, I was an evangelist. I came back to the south to live with my mum as I had nothing left, I immediately joined rccg there and became committed, but I noticed that when I started praying for another husband only Muslim men came even during my 10yrs of waiting before marriage, after deliverance and prayers Muslim men were the ones I used to see and I will reject them, I used to tell them to convert to Christianity but they always refuse, when the same thing started happening my mother told me to give it a try because of time, I grudgingly agreed, but immediately I started receiving great revelations of great victories in the dream daily so I decided to convert to Islam, the first thing I noticed is that the constant sickness I used to experience vanished, I used to treat malaria or typhoid once in a month, even my mother was surprised, there is a particular situation in the family that has been threatening the peace of the family for long I had done several 3days dry fasting that God should solve it while I was a Christian without any result, my mother testify of it just 2months after I became a Muslim, I also noticed the heavy presence of the Holy Spirit while praying or in a mosque, I now understand why Christians have to sing for long before the Holy Spirit will manifest,Islam embodies holiness and that is why anyone who is not holy and goes to a Muslim domain is in danger, I used to have a couple friends who decided to travel to Iran for vacation they had barely step down from the plane when they fell seriously sick, they told me that many Christians have the same experience and some even dies, I will continue below with further analysis and comparison

Ur still as confused as u were before u joined Islam..

Vanessa, no matter how hard u try to convince them, they will never take heed. It is only Allah who guides to the right path, those whom he wishes

vannessa7:
I don't know what is shocking in that thread I already said it that my husband died after four years of marriage from the beginning, I also said I converted to Islam Nov 2016. Check very well

well, I didn't see that, felt you missed it out

vannessa7:
Your bold assertions does not make you God to decide who will go to heaven or hell, you were never a serious Muslim and you didn't experience the power of God in Islam, before Jesus came many people walked with God and pleased God, even a whole town of Nineveh repented when Jonah preached to them, Job pleased God so much God boasted about him, if you keep attributing all the glory that belong to God to Jesus you are definitely on your way to hell because God will not share His glory with any man.

The glory that belongs to God the Father belongs to God the Son.God the Father and Jesus are one.

Jesus did not come for his purpose but to fulfil the purpose of God his Father. Read:
John 10:24-38 KJV
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. [25] Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. [26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [30] I and my Father are one. [31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. [32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? [37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

JESUS IS THE TRUTH AND THE WAY. HE IS THE CHRIST.
IF YOU DIE WITHOUT JESUS YOU ARE DOOMED FOR EVER. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ARGUMENT

A true muslim would be a killer , killing for allah .Muhammed was a murderer. I will never kill because I want 72 wives in paradise .I know within me that killings are evil. Why cant the muslims reason and read the english quran and judge for themselves. Muhammed died through food poison. A true prophet would have been told by God that the meat contains poison.

Pray enguiry prayer to God your Creator b4 it is too late for you. The devil is wise, but by his fruit you should know this is the devils work and prophet.

shadeyinka:
I am repeating this because you have not responded to the issues raised. I want to know if you practice the religion called Christianity OR had a Relationship with the Father.

If I as a Christian went to a Juju man to be able to conceive and have a child and in exactly 9 months time, I gave birth to a baby. Does it make Christianity wrong and the Juju way right? ..because that is what your post is saying.



i honestly do not believe a word of your conjectures. They are bundles of irreconcilables.
As an evangelist, what do you preach? (Come to church or have a relationship with the Father?)

You haven't really told us why you believe that Islam was the way apart from the fact that you said you found a muslim husband and your problems were solved.

What you are saying in other words is that
1. Jesus didn't die on the cross
2. Mariam the sister of Aaron is the mother of Jesus
3. Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus
4. Issac was not the one Abraham almost sacrificed but Ismael
5. Joseph actually begged Portipher to throw him into the prison
6. You have a great reward for killing a Jew
7. When Jesus returns, he will Kill ALL the Jews, Convert all Christians to Muslims and kill the Dajjal
8. In paradise, you will swim in the river of wine and several young boys will attend to you (of course you will marry 70 husbands according to this Dr from Pakistan...

Which ones do you believe in the eight points above.

None of those things you wrote up there are found in the Quran except the one that said Jesus did not die but was replaced by someone who looks like him and he went to heaven alive, to me there is not much difference in saying he resurrected and went to heaven alive and he did not die and went to heaven alive, anyway there are too many mysteries about the spiritual that we may never understand until eternity, I am reading the English Quran so I know what I'm saying, the Quran talks about almost all the stories in the Bible, what you people don't seem to understand is I have the experience of the two worlds while most of you only have your Xtian experience, all your beliefs are hearsay, assumptions and feelings.

GodsMopol:
By their fruits, pls shed more light on this, have you seen Hindus or buhdist and you say by their fruit, if you converted to. buhda or Hindu, they will seem to produce fruit because they are holy too. They believe in purity of the mind. See, you are still going to feel. the presence of God even when you do the most formidable thing

As I asked, what do you call a fruit, and take a sample of other religions if they don't bear such fruit. Islam is not really different from other religions.

Am sorry to say this, you might have experienced some gift of the spirit, but you don't or didn't fully comprehend that God sent Jesus to restore the fallen man back to God, the blood of goat or washing of hands is not a perfect sacrifice before God, its not outward adornment, but a recreated spirit, a new spirit, Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh is futile before God.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


If you are trying to stay married, I can only tell you what Moses did, Moses grew among the Egyptians, the Egyptians feed or on your case, married you, but Your heart should be on Jesus. Go to mosque and do all of their rites, but let it be unto Jesus.

Jesus said, no one cometh unto the Father, not even by mistake will anyone come near the Father, except through Jesus

I just saw this now and I laughed, you talk about Buddhist, me that was afflicted as a Christian will now try idolatry?smh, I cannot even try anything unclean, if I enter anywhere that is not holy I begin to have headache immediately, I have been to some churches that I just know is satanic enclave immediately I enter, I will not mention any name, I cannot try any form of evil, I have been to some prayer mountains that due to the fact that the place is satanic I nearly went mad, I had to leave immediately, I will even see warnings in the dream that I'm on satanic ground, even if I enter any house that has evil buried there I will know, I used to have incessant sickness, serious headache and dizziness due to any contact with unholy things places, people or situations, I am that sensitive and that is why I cannot associate partners with God diluting my worship, it makes me unclean, and I converted to Islam before I married and not the other way round, I had some revelations and confirmations before conversation, I didn't dance into Islam, it was a struggle and it took a while for me to be convinced after series of revelations

vannessa7:
None of those things you wrote up there are found in the Quran except the one that said Jesus did not die but was replaced by someone who looks like him and he went to heaven alive, to me there is not much difference in saying he resurrected and went to heaven alive and he did not die and went to heaven alive, anyway there are too many mysteries about the spiritual that we may never understand until eternity, I am reading the English Quran so I know what I'm saying, the Quran talks about almost all the stories in the Bible, what you people don't seem to understand is I have the experience of the two worlds while most of you only have your Xtian experience, all your beliefs are hearsay, assumptions and feelings.

All man to himself, believe what you believe why others also stick to what they believe, the end justify the means. But one thing I can say is that it seems Christian women that cant find husband on time or that have issues with marrying usually find solace in Muslim men. Unhm it's well.

vannessa7:
My battery is low, to be continued

After I lost my job, I had to sell my car, all my shares in companies, my laptop, all my gold while searching for job for several years, i met a brick wall everywhere I went, I started visiting prayer mountains all over Nigeria, I spent a long time living on prayer mountains and I saw so many things, when your life is normal you don't appreciate what God has done for you, there are people on prayer mountains who has been there for months and years and cannot go home anymore because of warfare, enemies have made people's life a satanic playing field and yet they are all fasting and praying, I still couldn't get a job and it was on the prayer mountain I met my late husband, as a Muslim now I was surprised to see that every word uttered during salat five times in a day is praises and worship of God only, and with all the bowing down to worship God no wonder it's not easy for a practicing Muslim to be possessed, when you bow down to pray and worship the God of the universe any demon in you will have to bow down with you and the devil cannot do that, he asked Jesus to bow down and worship him but Jesus refused, the demon will have to leave you if you are constantly bowing down to worship God, and BTW (by the way) that is what we will be doing in heaven because everyone in heaven bow down every day to worship the only living God according to the Bible, the 24elders, the cherubim and seraphim and the 4living creatures together with everyone in heaven. I also realised attributing thanks and worship to Jesus is like Abraham after receiving the ram to replace Isaac he decided to start worshipping the ram instead of God the giver of the ram, another way I look at it is the issue of grace, it brings corruption In the end, that person besides you in the church can continue as a witch and still be blessed, it brings loop holes whereby the devil can continue to operate even in the house of God, the moment you give the responsibility of doing the right thing to someone else that he has died for your sin, you have the grace to continue to be evil, you believe you will always repent and grace will cover you, your soul is being corrupted, but grace will not apply after death, it's what you did that matters, another reasoning is that Jesus said he came for the sinners and not the righteous, then to receive him you must qualify as a sinner, the devil has every right to come into your life since you can't be holy and still be a sinner, you can confess to a crime in court and not be jailed. Prophet Muhammad (Saw) said other prophets were given miracles but he was not given and he was only given a message to man kind to serve God alone and I deduced from that that he wasn't giving a miracle because you won't need one if you faithfully practice your Islam, praying 5times in a day is like going for special programs in church 5times daily, and BTW why do men of God call themselves servants of God, and it is when they attain that status that the power and anointing of God comes upon them, I will not deny the great move of God in my ministries while a Christian but it was the case of physician heal thyself, I was afflicted all through, when I left my first church where I spent 16years, spirit of death started following me in the dream, I was threatened to return there but it was revealed to me that the church is satanic, so I told God that I stand with the 3hebrew children that I will no longer bow to the devil even in the face of death threat, I used to see vulture beside me everywhere, I prayed and I received psalm 27to pray everyday before the death threats stopped, I changed to rccg but that my former church keep manifesting and did not allow me to gain the full benefits of the power of God there until I converted to Islam, however every religion has a caveat emptor, for Islam I think the weakness are lack of emphasis on blood, we are enjoined to kill ram for sacrifice to God and even if you go for hajj you must kill your own ram, blood is needed to receive wealth, that is why people still do money ritual, any country that has red on its national flag will eventually prosper especially if it's an Islamic nation because every deity receives blood, it is the currency to receive wealth in the spiritual, Islam brings holiness combined with blood you receive stupendous wealth, That is why some Islamic nation are stupendiously wealthy, imagine a car made with pure gold in Dubai, imagine the wealth in Malaysia etc, if red can just be added to the Nigerian flag the north will be the wealthiest and boko Aram will be history, boko Aram and every form of wanton blood shed is a result of demand for blood in the spiritual , I used to wonder why Asian countries who serve various idols are so developed until I understand this principle, they don't joke with red colour, observe them very well and you will understand why their idols have not destroyed them and they are prospering, when the spies got to Jericho and they were helped by the prostitute Rahab, who later became a great grandmother of Jesus, they told her to tie a red cloth on her window, her house was on the wall of the city fence, when the children of Israel matched round and blew the trumpet, the wall fell but her house wasn't affected, even in Egypt all they had to do is put blood on the wall and angel of death didn't kill their first born, even Moses nearly died but the wife quickly circumcsize her child and threw the skin on Moses calling him a blood husband, that was after God has called him, death met him on the road, too many examples in the Bible, I understand there are different types of people, some are so strong and naturally holy that they are not easily influenced by evil, but for people like me who need complete holiness, Islam is the only way out,

pls read Romans 1:28

After my sickness disappeared I started wondering and meditating so I began to do a bit of research, I google countries with the highest rate of cancer and I was surprised there is hardly any Islamic nation, I google richest countries in the world and I was floored, I now understand why the richest man in Africa is a Muslim, I know where ever there is holiness God will pour His wealth there to overflowing especially if the people can maintain clean environment, clean lifestyle because God will not come to a dirty place or person no matter what method they are using to worship Him, demons love dirty environment and will be everywhere causing poverty and affliction. That is one of the problems of the northern Muslim in Nigeria because I've been to the North, they believe it's the duty of government to clean their environment, and daily bathing is strange to some of them because of cold at times.

walezy85:
pls read Romans 1:28

Apostle Paul wrote the book of Roman's, he said many things Jesus did not say and introduced to us a Jesus different from the one in the gospels which are Matthew, mark and Luke, you need to do a thorough study of Jesus ministrations compare to Apostle Paul who never met Jesus, the person that was warned by the Holy Spirit not to go to Jerusalem at a time and he disobey, like I said by their fruits you shall know them, the fruits I'm getting in Islam compared to the one I got in Christianity is totally different, I don't want to go that route again where I nearly committed suicide several times, it was as if God is not for me but for everyone else, no thanks

Please anyone that wants to pm me should send to vannessabest@gmail.com, I don't understand email from Nairaland, thanks

Samsimple:
From fryin pan to fire ha ha ha, modern muslim are practising edited form of christianity. True muslim are nt peace loving they are terrorist because mohammed likes war. Ahh mohammed that murderer,rapist,bloodthirsty badoo gang leader.. Only jesus preach abt peace so in other words u are a christian bt u jst dont know

Christians and their hypocrisy. Moses is worse than Muhammad. Go and read the book of Numbers and Deuteronomy. What of Joshua, what of Samuel, what of Ezra. Abeggi, your eyes are sharp to see the faults in Muhammad yet blind to see that of Moses yet historical analysis proves that the bloodthirsty passages of the Koran derive from the bloodthirstiness of the Torah. Don't you know that Muhammad studied the Torah. God punish Moses for promoting genocide in the name of Yahweh.

Coming from an Ex Christian now a free thinker. Yes I am no longer a Christian and I detest all religions but do not think that your religion is anyway better than Islam. Just worship your Yahweh and leave others to worship theirs.

Chew on this : **The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book -Thomas Paine

Mujtahida:
Christians and their hypocrisy. Moses is worse than Muhammad. Go and read the book of Numbers and Deuteronomy. What of Joshua, what of Samuel, what of Ezra. Abeggi, your eyes are sharp to see the faults in Muhammad yet blind to see that of Moses yet historical analysis proves that the bloodthirsty passages of the Koran derive from the bloodthirstiness of the Torah. Don't you know that Muhammad studied the Torah. God punish Moses for promoting genocide in the name of Yahweh.

Coming from an Ex Christian now a free thinker. Yes I am no longer a Christian and I detest all religions but do not think that your religion is anyway better than Islam. Just worship your Yahweh and leave others to worship theirs.

Chew on this : **The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion. It has been the most destructive to the peace of man since man began to exist. Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation. I would not dishonor my Creator's name by attaching it to this filthy book -Thomas Paine

You cannot compare Moses with Muhammed.

Moses did not kill because he wanted women ,slaves and wealth. Moses only carried out the plan of God for salvation for the world as God promised Abraham.
God said to Abraham in;

Genesis 15:5-8,13 KJV
And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. [6] And he believed in the Lord ; and he counted it to him for righteousness. [7] And he said unto him, I am the Lord that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. [8] And he said, Lord God , whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? [13] And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

After this account the Israelites bcame slaves in Egypt as per above promise and after 400 years God raised Moses to deliver them. That land that God promised Abraham was were Moses took them to and God commanded Moses to kill the inhabitants because of their sins. see:

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 KJV
When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. [10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, [11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. [12] For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord : and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. [13] Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God. [14] For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do .

God did not give the Israelites commandment to kill other people of the world in order to convert them. After that the Israeltes have been waiting for the Christ . Jesus Christ came now with peace. That is why Christians are peacful.

Let all men be liars and let God be true.
From the depth of my heart, I declare that JESUS is Lord.
The funniest part OP is whether you accept to remain with him or not, it doesn't reduce his Lordship.

My take

Richdotcom:
I actually don't understand this article you wrote here, I don't get what you are trying to say....


I am glad your life is in track and you are experiencing progress and joy and fulfillment in your new way of life.
I am from a Muslim background and I have also read the Quran twice also read the Bible....
I am not here to talk down on Islam or Christianity because I have seems the good and bad sides of both ends...... but I am here to share with you my finding and observation from your article and from the Christian faith.



first I really need to say this without any disrespect to you madam, when you were a Christian you were not committed how do I know this? From your initial write up You've been to church A and church B, while you claim to worship at church C ( probably just my perception)

secondly not every church is a bible believing church, same way not every imma is a true Muslim.... I have seen pastors with massive shrine at the back of their church, same with Alfa that are native doctors..... thus where you worship, matters too, you can't be in a place where you unknowingly worship and bow to a shrine and expect to see progress.



Thirdly you can see visions and perform miracle it dosent mean your standing with God is right, magician can see too and native doctors too and even if yours is from God, the gift of God is without repentance..... you can manifest all of that and still not be standing right with God!



Also the Bible is full of principles, financial prosperity is not tied to seeing vision or speaking in tongues.... you can speak in tongues till Tomoro until you engage in the principle of financial prosperity, nothing will work.... you will even loose your job, that's the reason so many Christian are broke today!!! Also madam of you lay hands on people and they get healed and you are always falling ill with malaria, and you can't heal yourself then I think something is wrong somewhere, you cant give what you don't have neither can you live at a river bank and wash your hands with saliva, you need to sit down ask yourself what's wrong in all sincerity.


You also said your mum or your family passes through a challenge, you prayed and prayed and fasted all to no avail..... but if you do so for other people they get solutions right? The kingdom of God is serve your self, but the spoon you use in serving your self is your faith, you might lay hands on somebody pray for the person and that person's faith is strong enough to serve his or her self..... so with all due respect madam you need to check your faith very very well.




one of the mistakes we make is believing that because we are a member of an assembly we are thus christians..... Christianity is not by the number of chair you clean in church, or the amouth of service unit you joined in church.....
Christianity is a conscious life style you confess with your mouth and believe with your heart and strive daily to live in and with the commandments and teaching of Jesus Christ.....



Lastly God will not do for man, what man should do for him self, what do I mean..... no disrespect madam, but if you are not hard working and diligent in your place of work and you expect not to be fired because you are a prayer warrior?

Good health is our in Christ Jesus but does that gives us the license to live in a dirty environment, don't eat rightly and don't keep fit?

NO!!!









I leave you with this everyday is God's day but the day you believe is your day!!! Peace

Well said. To add to your analysis, she never said she was a tither or a giver. Prayer and commitment in Church doesn't break principles. You were either never taught financial principles as contained in the Bible or you were aware of them but ignored them. The word of God works.

If it seems better for you where you are now, it's because that is where the devil wants you to be. So he stops his oppression on you because you now belong to him and has booked a place in hell.

Again, I do not mean to condemn any Church. You were never grounded in the word of God wherever you worshipped.

The Quran does not offer you salvation. Mohammed even voiced his inability to save - Sura 46:9.

Please, return back to Jesus and I will personally counsel you on what to do. Jesus is the only way to God. Mohammed is a self acclaimed prophet.

The choice is yours.

@vannassa7, Im happy for u that u are happy now. everybody deserves to be happy. I have read everything u wrote up there and the responses of people. I know u said u have read the Bible and the Quran. I have some few questions for I to give better understanding.
1. is Jesus the Son of God.
2. was Jesus crucified.
I know u believe that Jesus resurrected, but
3. is He at the right hand of God now.
4. do u use the name of Jesus to pray.
5. who is Holy Spirit to Muslims.
6. can a Muslim be baptised (receive) the Holy Spirit.
7. u seem to know more of Rccg, can a Muslim be
worshiping in
Rccg and be enjoying everything u are enjoying
(physical, spiritual, emotional, etc) now.

u answering all these questions sincerely will go a long
way to helping me to have deeper understanding of lot
of things.
Thanks and God bless you.

vannessa7:
You know I cannot respond to everyone but I will try my best, I think it is offensive and unacceptable to me that you are making concrete statements concluding who I was and my experiences when you are not the Holy Spirit, to say I didn't know God for myself is a joke or lie or incongruous, you thought I just up and joined Islam without being led? There are many things I can't say here because social network is not like real life, and yes the higher you go in spiritual hierarchy the more anointing and power, to carry out the assignments, I attended many pastoral trainings o and tried to be a pastor then, any pastor that told you church members have the same level of anointing as their pastors have another thinking coming, and as for my faith it was so strong It could move mountains, I knew the word of God and I still quote them even now because it is sharper than any two edged sword, but when you are not able to keep your holiness 24/7, the word of God will only work for those that belong to God.
I will tell you like Jesus said the devil will not cast out devil because a house divided against itself will fall, Islam monotheism is a religion of the only living God, what we say throughout prayer is worship of God demonstrated by bowing down to Him, when we say Laila Illalahi Muhammadu rosul lilahi, I. e none has the right to be worshipped but God and Mohammed is His messenger the devil flee immediately, Bisimillahi Ramoni Rahim which means in the name of God the most gracious and the most merciful, you are sanctified , Christians can delude themselves from now till next year that Islam is bad but we know better and God knows better, there have been too many signs even in this our present world pointing to Islam and I'm sure they will over the internet, is it a coincidence that I married a former pastor who is now an Islamic scholar comparing Islam to Christianity ,he get invited to speak at Islamic functions often and he has written a book. I just prayed and we met I didn't hand pick him and he is an edo man not Yoruba,

No offense madam, I can say you didn't know God for yourself because if your words, actions and explanation...... if I see who no read book I go know sorry to say....... you keep pointing at "activities" as yardstick or prove to you knowing God, you can even be a pastor and still go to hell, you can attend all pastoral training in the wolf s and still not know God for yourself, all your pastor can do is talk, it's your duty to build a personal relationship with God..... yes you were led to Islam I am not dragging that with you neither am I here to tell you Islam isn't the way.

vannessa7:
None of those things you wrote up there are found in the Quran except the one that said Jesus did not die but was replaced by someone who looks like him and he went to heaven alive, to me there is not much difference in saying he resurrected and went to heaven alive and he did not die and went to heaven alive, anyway there are too many mysteries about the spiritual that we may never understand until eternity, I am reading the English Quran so I know what I'm saying, the Quran talks about almost all the stories in the Bible, what you people don't seem to understand is I have the experience of the two worlds while most of you only have your Xtian experience, all your beliefs are hearsay, assumptions and feelings.

Unfortunately, you got it wrong about me. I almost recited the Shahada (converted to Islam), but what stopped me? I got a copy of the glorious Koran and began to read. As I read, I found so many contradictions...this made me slow down to evaluate both religion.

Read Suratul Yusuf and compare it to the story of Joseph in Genesis: ask yourself which one is believable. Mary the Mother of Jesus was at the cross when Jesus was crucified, Jesus spoke to Mary and John. If the person on the cross isn't Jesus, then Allah is the greatest of deceivers.

So, let me give flesh to my allegations
1. Jesus didn't die on the cross

Quran4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

2. Mariam the sister of Aaron is the mother of Jesus

Quran19:27-29
Then she brought him to her own folk,carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
28 O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.

Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?

Quran 3:35-45
(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran said: My Lord! I have vowed unto Thee that which is in my belly as a consecrated (offering). Accept it from me. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower!

And when she was delivered she said: My Lord! Lo! I am delivered of a female - Allah knew best of what she was delivered - the male is not as the female; and lo! I have named her Mary, and lo! I crave Thy protection for her and for her offspring from Satan the outcast.
.....
Qur'an 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

Compare with
[b]Ex6:20[/b]
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, and she gave birth to his sons, Aaron and Moses. (Amram lived to be 137 years old.)

And we know that Miriam was Aarons sister. So what a coincidence!

3. Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus

Quran 5:116
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in partner with Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that ishidden.


4. Issac was not the one Abraham almost sacrificed but Ismael

Quran isn't explicit but Muslims and the Hadith's are:
What is Eid-ul-Adha?

5. Joseph actually begged Portipher to throw him into the prison

Quran12:1-

33 He said, "My Lord, prison is more to my liking than that to which they invite me. And if You do not avert from me their plan, I might incline toward them and [thus] be of the ignorant."

34 So his Lord responded to him and averted from him their plan. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

6. You have a great reward for killing a Jew
In Saheeh Muslim (2922), it is narrated from the hadith of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them, until a Jew hides behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: O Muslim, O slave of Allaah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Except the gharqad (a thorny tree), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” 

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'" 

7. When Jesus returns, he will Kill ALL the Jews, 
‘Isa will descend from the sky as a just judge. He will break the cross [he will wipe out Christianity], kill pigs [he will kill the jews/outlaw the raising of pigs], and prohibit everything other than Islam.) [Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Abi Shayba]

(When ‘Isa returns to the earth, he will marry, have a son, live for about 40 years, and die. He will be buried beside me.) [Tirmidhi, Mawahib]

8. In paradise, you will swim in the river of wine 

Quran 47:15
A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their


The purpose of this is to help you see that you did not have enough information justifiable to dump Jesus for Mohammed.

In Islam, there is no guarantee of salvation.

Jesus says
What profits a Man if he gains the whole world but looses his soul (in hell fire).. What have you given in exchange for your eternal life?

Unfortunately too, you have not been the only "Christian" who has been demonized. From the same Jesus, I got my freedom from several years of demonic affliction and here I am still standing in Christ.

Muslims will tell you that we worship the same God but Will any Muslim agree that they worship Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
No!
Even though they claim believe in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they have replaced Jehovah with Allah

shadeyinka:
Unfortunately, you got it wrong about me. I almost recited the Shahada (converted to Islam), but what stopped me? I got a copy of the glorious Koran and began to read. As I read, I found so many contradictions...this made me slow down to evaluate both religion.

Read Suratul Yusuf and compare it to the story of Joseph in Genesis: ask yourself which one is believable. Mary the Mother of Jesus was at the cross when Jesus was crucified, Jesus spoke to Mary and John. If the person on the cross isn't Jesus, then Allah is the greatest of deceivers.

So, let me give flesh to my allegations
1. Jesus didn't die on the cross


2. Mariam the sister of Aaron is the mother of Jesus


Compare with
[b]Ex6:20[/b]
Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, and she gave birth to his sons, Aaron and Moses. (Amram lived to be 137 years old.)

And we know that Miriam was Aarons sister. So what a coincidence!

3. Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus

Quran 5:116
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in partner with Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that ishidden.


4. Issac was not the one Abraham almost sacrificed but Ismael

Quran isn't explicit but Muslims and the Hadith's are:
What is Eid-ul-Adha?

5. Joseph actually begged Portipher to throw him into the prison

Quran12:1-

33 He said, "My Lord, prison is more to my liking than that to which they invite me. And if You do not avert from me their plan, I might incline toward them and [thus] be of the ignorant."

34 So his Lord responded to him and averted from him their plan. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

6. You have a great reward for killing a Jew
In Saheeh Muslim (2922), it is narrated from the hadith of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them, until a Jew hides behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: O Muslim, O slave of Allaah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Except the gharqad (a thorny tree), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” 

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."
Sahih Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'" 

7. When Jesus returns, he will Kill ALL the Jews, 
‘Isa will descend from the sky as a just judge. He will break the cross [he will wipe out Christianity], kill pigs [he will kill the jews/outlaw the raising of pigs], and prohibit everything other than Islam.) [Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Abi Shayba]

(When ‘Isa returns to the earth, he will marry, have a son, live for about 40 years, and die. He will be buried beside me.) [Tirmidhi, Mawahib]

8. In paradise, you will swim in the river of wine 

Quran 47:15
A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their


The purpose of this is to help you see that you did not have enough information justifiable to dump Jesus for Mohammed.

In Islam, there is no guarantee of salvation.

Jesus says
What profits a Man if he gains the whole world but looses his soul (in hell fire).. What have you given in exchange for your eternal life?

Unfortunately too, you have not been the only "Christian" who has been demonized. From the same Jesus, I got my freedom from several years of demonic affliction and here I am still standing in Christ.

Muslims will tell you that we worship the same God but Will any Muslim agree that they worship Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
No!
Even though they claim believe in Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they have replaced Jehovah with Allah

How you are so sure I'm demonised is still a mirage, do you know there is a Bible written in Arabic and Allah is used throughout to refer to God, every language has a name for God and they have every right to call God in their dialect and God hears and understand because it's the heart and intentions that matter, and FYI I did not dump Jesus anyone who is truly serving the Almighty God will not reject any prophet of God, I accept that Jesus came to call us to serve the only living God, also it might be true that you can go through him to get to God but it's a permissive will, not the perfect will of God and every permissive will always have hidden price to pay, God will have us come to Him without associating partners with Him, God is not equal to His creatures, as for all your points most of them are false and not founded in the Quran, I don't have much time arguing with you, all I know is I was blind now I can see.

[color=#000000][/color]hi,vennessa7,when you were still a christian,you prayed for people and they receive healing,miracle and breakthrouh,m very sure you did those things in the name of jesus.,them getting healings when prayed for and you still living in sickness when you pray for youself., is the said healing accidental or mere coincidence??like(eg someone who is suffering from malaria is on medication and also praying,when he eventually bcome okay,he now have a believe that its d prayers that made him okay)is that d situation here?.a mere coincidence