₦airaland Forum

komekn:
My opinion WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY clearly not the best use of resources $600 million.

Henry240:
Many of us most likely would prefer a totally different type of aircraft to the Tucano. I for one would have preferred the J-10, MIG-35 or the JF-17.

Be that as it may, the Tucano is still and will always be a very brilliant acquisition for the Nigerian Air Force. I have always advocated for the Tucano, although not at the expense of a proper 4 Gen multi-role fighter.

The Tucano is intended to replace our ageing Alpha jets in the light attack role. It is this role where the Tucanos is King.

The Tucano is a very modern aircraft that can carry all modern Air-to-Ground ammunition, Data-link, has a very brilliant loiter time, is cost effective to fly and is combat proven in some of the most hostile combat zones.

It is very far from being a waste of resource, it fills it's own niche in the Air Force combat structure.

LTGEN:
* There is a need for the A-29 it fulfills a certain role and a certain Niche.
I just want to say this for educational purposes the A-29 and the Spitfire are not the same there are only two things they have in common
their speed ( 368 m.p.h) and the fact that they are both propeller driven.
The difference in Range 423 Miles versus 2,995 should give an indicator of how different they are.
The A-29 relies on precision driven technology while the other is ww2 technology, more critically is the issue of one plane using missiles while the other used rockets, I will hold my peace.
It is important that Nigeria gets this Plane with the accompanying infrastructure, logistics , training and other essentials that go along with it.
Lastly the JF-17s to the best of everyone's knowledge have not been cancelled , so everyone should calm down, let us wait till the Chief of Air staff speaks on the issue.

rugged7:
This your hatred for beegs won't lead you anywhere.

His blog, his tweeter handle, his business.

E no concern you, even if he wants to fry onions for the rest of his life.

frumentius:
Hear Hear!!!
Tucano and Spitfire comparisons are infantile. That said, I'll be pleasantly surprised if Nigeria gets the Tucano in this current session. Republican Trump has not been able to get anything approved by the Republican-controlled Congress and Senate. What does Nigeria offer to Jacksonville, Florida -besides the 12 aircraft- that compels those representatives to lobby their 480+ counterparts to approve this transaction? The US House and Senate Sessions are in congruence from Sept 25 after the summer recess and no mention of Nigeria's acquisition so far.
Of course, I won't mention Obama approved this sale and a Republican Congress blocked it: why spoil a neat narrative?
Hate to get into an argument over a dead issue.
Congress has approved.
State Department bastion of the left has approved
Defence department through the Pentagon has approved it and
45 who also could of approved it through a waiver has already signed off on it.
The deal is done.
There is nothing more to add.
Obama deep down IMHO never intended to sell this Plane with the accompanying bombs and logistics to Nigeria and he is gone with his left wing buddies at the State Department.
Lastly Nigeria has $600M to offer to the U.S.that is why in 45's mind the sale is done.

SSBN:
BEEF is nothing but a self aggrandizing egomaniac mummy. Yes I will say it again. BEEG is an arrogant dude. A blog without viewership or contributions is nothing. The contributions of hundreds of is what made his blog among the hottest. He allowed it get to his head. He acted entitled, abandoned his bkog, that is an insult to all of us.

Henry240:
Many of us most likely would prefer a totally different type of aircraft to the Tucano. I for one would have preferred the J-10, MIG-35 or the JF-17.

Be that as it may, the Tucano is still and will always be a very brilliant acquisition for the Nigerian Air Force. I have always advocated for the Tucano, although not at the expense of a proper 4 Gen multi-role fighter.

The Tucano is intended to replace our ageing Alpha jets in the light attack role. It is this role where the Tucanos is King.

The Tucano is a very modern aircraft that can carry all modern Air-to-Ground ammunition, Data-link, has a very brilliant loiter time, is cost effective to fly and is combat proven in some of the most hostile combat zones.

It is very far from being a waste of resource, it fills it's own niche in the Air Force combat structure.

bidexiii:
You know av been silent over these issue for a while now.....?
Almost a year now on is twitter handle, there was a time he was just commenting on politics issue during the buhari and Jonathan election's. And I simply advise him to leave these politics issue and face the military issue his known for..the guy just started ranting on him and the second day he blocked me.

Beegs Blog and is Twitter handle was a daily routine for me before, now I didn't know when last I visited is blog or twitter handle. I pray he rejuvenates the blog.

komekn:
The Super Tucano is a single engined turboprop plane made in Brazil. There is nothing particularly unique or ground breaking in its airframe.

HOWEVER, what is the difference

It has been fitted with a whole range of modern day avionics. HUD, FLIR, MAWS,MDP, and of course the various weapons system it can carry and deploy. It has some limited Kevlar pilot protection but thats about it.

Options there are a multitude of available airframes with similar power to weigh ratio at a a fraction of the price. It's not rocket science but we should have the capacity to buy a much cheaper airframe and retro fit it with all the HUD, FLIR, MAWS and needed weapon systems at a fraction of the cost.

Best value and most judicious and effective use of resources. CERTAINLY NOT. Consider the Sukhoi 25 Frogfoot (Flying tank) the nick name is very descriptive of its capabilities. It may not have all the bells and whistles of the Tucano depending on variant but there are several retro upgrades available by S.African, Isreali and German companies. The Su25M is actually way more effective in every regard it can take anti aircraft fire and survive even to some degree Infra red missiles, depending on strike point. You can land a Frogfoot almost on any rudimentary airfield and it's operating costs are even lower than the Tucano. By the way in times of desperation it can run on low grade fuel shockingly I have had reports of diesel fuel. How much does it cost under $10 million if you go for refurbished depending on how you procure and retro fit. You really could be talking of less than $6/7 million per unit. That's about 24 aircraft for less than $240 million if you procure new and have time to wait. Or half that price if you buy from the eastern block countries with retrofit and or just go directly to Russia. Having 24 aircraft that although not supersonic with full load. Fast enough to deploy within 5/7 minutes anywhere in the North east. That is essentially 24 hr non stop immediate coverage on multiple targets when identified. But add to that lower operational costs, survivability with far more efficacy and a 30 year life span on the airframe. Compared to my estimation $40+ million per unit Tucano in my opinion and far less effective , it's a No brainer.


Which would you rather have

Remember just one lucky hit on those Tucano's and it's all over, $40+ million per unit. Particularly, with the noisy turboprop you can hear it well before it gets to you unlike the Frogfoot. Giving Boko gunners an easy target with those anti aircraft HMG they have across North East.

komekn:
The Super Tucano is a single engined turboprop plane made in Brazil. There is nothing particularly unique or ground breaking in its airframe.

HOWEVER, what is the difference

It has been fitted with a whole range of modern day avionics. HUD, FLIR, MAWS,MDP, and of course the various weapons system it can carry and deploy. It has some limited Kevlar pilot protection but thats about it.

Options there are a multitude of available airframes with similar power to weigh ratio at a a fraction of the price. It's not rocket science but we should have the capacity to buy a much cheaper airframe and retro fit it with all the HUD, FLIR, MAWS and needed weapon systems at a fraction of the cost.

Best value and most judicious and effective use of resources. CERTAINLY NOT. Consider the Sukhoi 25 Frogfoot (Flying tank) the nick name is very descriptive of its capabilities. It may not have all the bells and whistles of the Tucano depending on variant but there are several retro upgrades available by S.African, Isreali and German companies. The Su25M is actually way more effective in every regard it can take anti aircraft fire and survive even to some degree Infra red missiles, depending on strike point. Has DIRCM if you enter into further hostile territory changing its mission configuration. You can land a Frogfoot almost on any rudimentary airfield and it's operating costs are even lower than the Tucano. By the way in times of desperation it can run on low grade fuel shockingly I have had reports of diesel fuel. How much does it cost under $10 million if you go for refurbished depending on how you procure and retro fit. You really could be talking of less than $6/7 million per unit. That's about 24 aircraft for less than $240 million if you procure new and have time to wait. Or half that price if you buy from the eastern block countries with retrofit and or just go directly to Russia. Having 24 aircraft that although not supersonic with full load. Fast enough to deploy within 5/7 minutes anywhere in the North east. That is essentially 24 hr non stop immediate coverage on multiple targets when identified. But add to that lower operational costs, survivability with far more efficacy and a 30 year life span on the airframe. Compared to my estimation $40+ million per unit Tucano in my opinion and far less effective , it's a No brainer.


Which would you rather have

Remember just one lucky hit on those Tucano's and it's all over, $40+ million per unit. Particularly, with the noisy turboprop you can hear it well before it gets to you unlike the Frogfoot. Giving Boko gunners an easy target with those anti aircraft HMG they have across North East.

bidexiii:
The Egyptian air force Kamov K-52 Nile Alliagtor in #Russia

Nigerdeltaboi:
I still prefer this platform to the tucano sef