homerac7:


Calm daaaawn! Oga, calm down!

Ok... Ok... You've made your point, and we can see with it that you know names of some combat aircrafts. Well-done...


But still calm down.

Your argument is faulty because you outrightly threw out reasonable explanation made to you by the poster above us. Read him again and listen, he isn't far from reality.

Who go sell you AC130? Why una just like to dey drop big big names anyhow? Oya, show us which country US don ever sell AC130 give...


On Super Tucano, you obviously know so little of the tactical usefulness of the aircraft, otherwise you won't mention BH attacking it with AAs. It will roast the AA convoy from BVR. Find out again what it's targetting pod and smart bombs are for.

Who also told you it will be irrelevant in another 20-30 years? Are you aware that it's being touted as likeliest aircraft to replace the Warthogs in USAF? Bro, get your info right.

I, for one, thinks it's good thin to get them. Then, we should get the YAKs to replace our Alphas, and mix of single (light) engine interceptors and double engine (heavy) multi role jets from Russia. That mix should be good for next 30 yrs, while we move on to heavy and light lift capability replacement program me.

dude an AC130 is simply a C130 with attack capabilities a country can chose to do that upgrade. But that's not my point. Purchasing 12 planes that is dedicated to fighting terrorism after the war against terror is almost over is a complete waste.

If everybody agrees that a Nigeria that does not have one single full fledged multi-role platform that can hold it's own in a contested airspace in this 21st century or that would play the role of an interceptor then I don't think there is a need for us to have an Air Force maybe we should call it an Air support force or the Army Air wing.

In conclusion. We are way too far behind to be spending so much on 12 aircraft's that would only protect us from our citizens that takes the path of Militancy.

The Terrorists are in such a state that spending more on the JF17 which is already in our cart would have been a wiser step. 3 JF17(whose status are debateable) and twelve Tucanoes. I don't know what we all think but I think it's not right.

You wey be great man.
We don see u.

Spineless cowards that can't go to his Twitter page and tell him. You are here wailing in my ear with your rubbish.

My friend fuqq off.

SSBN:



BEEF is nothing but a self aggrandizing egomaniac mummy. Yes I will say it again. BEEG is an arrogant dude. A blog without viewership or contributions is nothing. The contributions of hundreds of is what made his blog among the hottest. He allowed it get to his head. He acted entitled, abandoned his bkog, that is an insult to all of us.

wasn't the 500 million dollars which is being used to compensate for the tucano deal, stolen Nigerian money stashed in US ?

nemesis4u:
wasn't the 500 million dollars which is being used to compensate for the tucano deal, stolen Nigerian money stashed in US ?

I also read that somewhere, although I can't remember where, so can't really confirm. Anybody got any info on this?

nemesis4u:
wasn't the 500 million dollars which is being used to compensate for the tucano deal, stolen Nigerian money stashed in US ?

Where did you read this ?

jakeporeshenko:

Where did you read this ?

i dont remember that is why i asked but i am kind of sure i read something to this effect

u know about it ?

nemesis4u:


i dont remember that is why i asked but i am kind of sure i read something to this effect

u know about it ?

It was posted on the other thread by someone who claimed the funds being used is that of Abacha.

x

rugged7:
You wey be great man.
We don see u.

Spineless cowards that can't go to his Twitter page and tell him. You are here wailing in my ear with your rubbish.

My friend fuqq off.

Not wailing, just stating the obvious fact. Pride goes before a fall. Being verbally abusive does not change the fact.

Why do we Nigerians sometimes choose to dig our heads in the sand and celebrite mediocrity. By any streatch Nigeria should not have a subsonic propeller driven aircraft as our frontline fighter. We are not Gabon or Suriname. This is Nigeria for crying out loud. The cultural and economic superpower of Africa who have been in a state of war for 15 years straight. Boko Haram is a spent force, no amount of desperate cowardly suicide bombing can change that, unless they can take back the Sambisa. Nigeria needs to modernise and stop putting the cart before the horse. We cannot have the most advanced ISR capable platforms in Africa, the most ambitious and expansive Space program in Africa..and yet fly vintage Mig-21-s and celebrate Embrae Super Tucano, an aircraft that will not survive a lightly defended airspace much less protect Nigeria's airspace. There is something wrong with out military brass in Abuja.Since 2015 we have been waiting for, not a squadron but three JF-17 fighters, the number is enough to make someone cry, but waiting three years and counting?

COIN

off topic :there is actually little anyone can do to protect civilians,during an active shooter incident.the death toll in los vegas is almost 50 dead

SSBN:
Why do we Nigerians sometimes choose to dig our heads in the sand and celebrite mediocrity. By any streatch Nigeria should not have a subsonic propeller driven aircraft as our frontline fighter. We are not Gabon or Suriname. This is Nigeria for crying out loud. The cultural and economic superpower of Africa who have been in a state of war for 15 years straight. Boko Haram is a spent force, no amount of desperate cowardly suicide bombing can change that, unless they can take back the Sambisa. Nigeria needs to modernise and stop putting the cart before the horse. We cannot have the most advanced ISR capable platforms in Africa, the most ambitious and expansive Space program in Africa..and yet fly vintage Mig-21-s and celebrate Embrae Super Tucano, an aircraft that will not survive a lightly defended airspace much less protect Nigeria's airspace. There is something wrong with out military brass in Abuja.Since 2015 we have been waiting for, not a squadron but three JF-17 fighters, the number is enough to make someone cry, but waiting three years and counting?

Oga, can you mention one person who has advocated for the Tucano to be our front line fighter?

A multirole aircraft is still needed along with the tucano. The delay is from Pakistan who take priority. Ours is not through China.

At the end of the day, a COIN aircraft is more important at this stage. Who are you defending against as we speak with a 4g aircraft apart from the feel good factor?

This is where you are getting it wrong. We've grown so used to this fire brigade approach to warfare we have been desensitized on the issue of planning on the long term. We do not need the Super Tucano, its an overhyoed pierce of aircraft. You are focusing too much on COIN. If Nigeria's fleet of 15 Alpha Jets, 10 F-7N's and dozens of MI-24/35 helicopters and combat drones cannot handle Boko Haram the The Super Tucano will make little or no difference. It has roughly the same speed as the Alpha jet, we don't need smart munitions that costs thousands of dollars only to waste them on Hilux pickup trucks , rockets and room cannons will do. For takin out fixed targets, if any still exists, we have 500 Ib bombs to take care of that. Our air assets already possesses an overkill against BH.


What we need is 4th Gen fighters. This has nothing to do with a "feel good" factor. It's common sense, we either have an air force or we don't. Nigeria lacks air defence systems. Countries like Chad posses more advanced anti aircraft missiles than Nigeria. To bridge the air defence gap we need fast interceptors. With no reliable interceptors and air defence system we have no business having a military. What assets does Nigeria have to intercept hostile aircrafts in Nigerian airspace? The Alpha jet? Super Tucano? Will our military commanders be barbaric enough to send young pilots UN a subsonic aircraft like the Super Tucano to intercept enemy/ hostile aircraft like the Flanders and Fulcrums? If we are basing our military acquisition programs on the capabilities of Boko Haram then Nigeria is not serious as a nation. We are regression. Was it a "feel good" gesture in the 80's when a poorer and peaceful Nigeria acquired over a squadron of the 4th Gen Jaguars? Fast forward today, we are a richer nation that has been at war for close to a decade non-stop and you do not see the need to plug the gap in Nigeria's air intercept capability? You want us to focus on a bunch of ragtag cowards that are scattered while neglecting the defence of the nation from a near peer adversary. If our brass in Abuja share your views then this country is lost. Hopeless,

It seems everyone just want to type but somethings I read here is annoying.

iblawi:
It seems everyone just want to type but somethings I read here is annoying.

I kuku don give myself sabbatical

iblawi:
It seems everyone just want to type but somethings I read here is annoying.

we can discuss ladies in the tech thread

I give up. You explain one angle and then a history lesson follows as if we don't all know what we need for our national defence. I am no politician and support nobody, but at least there is a government in power that appears to be planning long term for the military and not just rushing out to buy the latest toys without a thought for through life maintenance/upgrades or trying to be self sufficient.

What, alas, happened to the Jaguars and MIGs without this forward planning? How have the current crop of Alpha jets been kept air worthy if not for R& apart from the ones recently purchased, which will also benefit?

Who, for crying out loud, has ever suggested that a super tucano be used to intercept Flankers. Whose Flanker are we intercepting? I didn't realise that the country was in grave danger. Na wah o!

rka2:
I give up. You explain one angle and then a history lesson follows as if we don't all know what we need for our national defence. I am no politician and support nobody, but at least there is a government in power that appears to be planning long term for the military and not just rushing out to buy the latest toys without a thought for through life maintenance/upgrades or trying to be self sufficient.

What, alas, happened to the Jaguars and MIGs without this forward planning? How have the current crop of Alpha jets been kept air worthy if not for R& apart from the ones recently purchased, which will also benefit?

Who, for crying out loud, has ever suggested that a super tucano be used to intercept Flankers. Whose Flanker are we intercepting? I didn't realise that the country was in grave danger. Na wah o!

You're disappointed mostly because you got the whole thing twisted.

Can you please show any credible reference anywhere that the Tucanos have been referred to as front line jets?

Ground support is an aspect that we never really had, probably because our doctrine has been strictly conventional all these while. Thus we never had assets to fulfill that role. By the way, the regional threat assessment likely will be seeing more of counter insurgency sort of operations than conventional one, so the Tucanos are very very very required.

Again, where did you see that we acquiring the Tucanos foreclosed acquisition of other combat keys? Isn't it after the much publicised confirmation by the US govt that we all had the snippet from minister of defence himself that Nigeria is considering YAKs and Migs?

Gentleman, please save your emotions. You aren't more patriotic than anyone her, bro. By pls note, the fact that the honorable minister said it doesn't mean they're gonna do it (sooner). I understand that part of frustration.

My whole point is that;

1. Tucanoes are very good strategic acquisition,

2. They weren't acquired to fill front line role

3. Having then doesnt prevent us from acquiring front line aircraft's

4. No any aircraft currently in NAF inventory can play CAS effectively and efficiently like it

5. Please CALM DOWN

homerac7:



You're disappointed mostly because you got the whole thing twisted.

Can you please show any credible reference anywhere that the Tucanos have been referred to as front line jets?

Ground support is an aspect that we never really had, probably because our doctrine has been strictly conventional all these while. Thus we never had assets to fulfill that role. By the way, the regional threat assessment likely will be seeing more of counter insurgency sort of operations than conventional one, so the Tucanos are very very very required.

Again, where did you see that we acquiring the Tucanos foreclosed acquisition of other combat keys? Isn't it after the much publicised confirmation by the US govt that we all had the snippet from minister of defence himself that Nigeria is considering YAKs and Migs?

Gentleman, please save your emotions. You aren't more patriotic than anyone her, bro. By pls note, the fact that the honorable minister said it doesn't mean they're gonna do it (sooner). I understand that part of frustration.

My whole point is that;

1. Tucanoes are very good strategic acquisition,

2. They weren't acquired to fill front line role

3. Having then doesnt prevent us from acquiring front line aircraft's

4. No any aircraft currently in NAF inventory can play CAS effectively and efficiently like it

5. Please CALM DOWN

I think you have quoted the wrong person

rka2:


Oga, can you mention one person who has advocated for the Tucano to be our front line fighter?

A multirole aircraft is still needed along with the tucano. The delay is from Pakistan who take priority. Ours is not through China.

At the end of the day, a COIN aircraft is more important at this stage. Who are you defending against as we speak with a 4g aircraft apart from the feel good factor?

I agree with all you said apart from the comments about who we are defending against and a feel good factor.

We need proper 4 Gen multi-role fighters To Help our pilots familiarise with modern equipment and tactics. There are roles were it might not be convenient to deploy the Tucanos this is where an aircraft like the JF-17 comes in.

During Operations AFISMA in Mali, we deployed jets in Niger, and Offcourse we could not fly the Alpha jets at night. A jet like the JF-17 would have been very ideal.

There is significant frustration with the delay in delivering the JF-17, a number of factors might be responsible for this, we can only speculate. However i for one fear the possible worst.

rka2:
I give

Who, for crying out loud, has ever suggested that a super tucano be used to intercept Flankers. Whose Flanker are we intercepting? I didn't realise that the country was in grave danger. Na wah o!

Henry240:

I agree with all you said apart from the comments about who we are defending against and a feel good factor.

We need proper 4 Gen multi-role fighters To Help our pilots familiarise with modern equipment and tactics. There are roles were it might not be convenient to deploy the Tucanos this is where an aircraft like the JF-17 comes in.

During Operations AFISMA in Mali, we deployed jets in Niger, and Offcourse we could not fly the Alpha jets at night. A jet like the JF-17 would have been very ideal.

There is significant frustration with the delay in delivering the JF-17, a number of factors might be responsible for this, we can only speculate. However i for one fear the possible worst.

I know where you are coming from and I know we need a 4th gen fighter, which I have stated. My point was to do with the urgent need for an aircraft in the super tucano category and I only mentioned the feel good factor (it would make me feel elated when the jf-17 arrives ) to buttress the point that it is not as urgent a requirement but is needed. Just like the case with OPVs and Submarines if you get my drift.

I would also like to point out that propeller airrafts with suitable avionics etc can also be used to simulate training to fly a modern fighter aircraft - lead-in fighter training.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/pc_21/

rka2:


I think you have quoted the wrong person

rka2:


I know where you are coming from and I know we need a 4th gen fighter, which I have stated. My point was to do with the urgent need for an aircraft in the super tucano category and I only mentioned the feel good factor (it would make me feel elated when the jf-17 arrives ) to buttress the point that it is not as urgent a requirement but is needed. Just like the case with OPVs and Submarines if you get my drift.

I would also like to point out that propeller airrafts with suitable avionics etc can also be used to simulate training to fly a modern fighter aircraft - lead-in fighter training.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/pc_21/

I get your point of view. I'm just tired of this whole JF-17 non-movement.

Feel good factor or not it will serve us well if we priotize the JF-17 first. Lets forget the North African countries who receive billions of dollars in military aid from the United States. South Africa has the Gripen, Uganda has the SU-30 MK, Chad has the MIG-29, Gabon flies the SU-27, Angola has the SU-30 and SY-27. These countries are not at war nor do they face any external military threat. Of these countries only South Africa spend more on defence. Unlike Nigeria they are not an expeditionary military force.

Enter Nigeria. We've gone to War with Chad. We've nearly gone to war with Cameroon TWICE. We've had a 5 year military campaign against the Niger Delta militants, after which we had a 3 year respite, after which we've been embroiled in an 8 year war of attrition with Boko Haram, a war that has proven to bethe deadliest and costliest War in Nigeria's history. During the civil war we barely lost significant territory. Against Boko Haram we lost an area the size of Costa-Rica. For 9 months Boko Haram called 3 million Nigerians its own. It took us a year to reclaim lost territories. We have democratic Anglophone Nigeria encircled by dictatorial and oppresive Francophone countries we've gone to war with. We have the French building surveillance facilities in Niger and Chad. The Americans, perhaps in a bid to outdo the French just deployed Reaper Drones to its new surveilance facility in Cameroon.

We are the only nation in Africa that has had to carry out military operation or another consistently for a decade. We've impounded French cargo plane Laden with weapons bound for Chad. We've seen the Iranians try to smuggle weapon to Cameroon via container ships. YET :

We have no viable air defence.
No viable modern strike aircraft
No interceptor aircraft
The Nigerian Navy has more tonnage than the next 16 countries combined yet not a single ship carries anti ship missile, no defence weapons. We spent a quarter of a billion dollars buying the Chinese knockoff of the Mig-21's as a stop gap measure. Twelve years down the line we are still stop gaping. After 8 years of war and thousands dead we are celebrating Super Tucano. All the countries that have Tucano's have at the very least modest air defence systems. No sane country on earth will spend half a billion dollars on a propeller driven plane against a now negligible threat when the country when it lacks the basics of a modern air force. Our military brass are scamming us and we are making excuses for them. Smh. Do you know how many squadrons of Fulcrums we could buy for $600 million?

Do you know how much the Chadians spend on defence annually? $300 million. Text they can boast of several SA-6 SAMS. Since 2014 we'veincreased defence expenditure from $2.1 billion to $5 billion. Last year we spent $5.06 billion. Where did the money go? Our soldiers ain't exactly the best paid onthe continent. It's almost as if we have to apologise for daring to buy advanced 4th Gen aircrafts.

SSBN:
Feel good factor or not it will serve us well if we priotize the JF-17 first. Lets forget the North African countries who receive billions of dollars in military aid from the United States. South Africa has the Gripen, Uganda has the SU-30 MK, Chad has the MIG-29, Gabon flies the SU-27, Angola has the SU-30 and SY-27. These countries are not at war nor do they face any external military threat. Of these countries only South Africa spend more on defence. Unlike Nigeria they are not an expeditionary military force.

Enter Nigeria. We've gone to War with Chad. We've nearly gone to war with Cameroon TWICE. We've had a 5 year military campaign against the Niger Delta militants, after which we had a 3 year respite, after which we've been embroiled in an 8 year war of attrition with Boko Haram, a war that has proven to bethe deadliest and costliest War in Nigeria's history. During the civil war we barely lost significant territory. Against Boko Haram we lost an area the size of Costa-Rica. For 9 months Boko Haram called 3 million Nigerians its own. It took us a year to reclaim lost territories. We have democratic Anglophone Nigeria encircled by dictatorial and oppresive Francophone countries we've gone to war with. We have the French building surveillance facilities in Niger and Chad. The Americans, perhaps in a bid to outdo the French just deployed Reaper Drones to its new surveilance facility in Cameroon.

We are the only nation in Africa that has had to carry out military operation or another consistently for a decade. We've impounded French cargo plane Laden with weapons bound for Chad. We've seen the Iranians try to smuggle weapon to Cameroon via container ships. YET :

We have no viable air defence.
No viable modern strike aircraft
No interceptor aircraft
The Nigerian Navy has more tonnage than the next 16 countries combined yet not a single ship carries anti ship missile, no defence weapons. We spent a quarter of a billion dollars buying the Chinese knockoff of the Mig-21's as a stop gap measure. Twelve years down the line we are still stop gaping. After 8 years of war and thousands dead we are celebrating Super Tucano. All the countries that have Tucano's have at the very least modest air defence systems. No sane country on earth will spend half a billion dollars on a propeller driven plane against a now negligible threat when the country when it lacks the basics of a modern air force. Our military brass are scamming us and we are making excuses for them. Smh. Do you know how many squadrons of Fulcrums we could buy for $600 million?

Do you know how much the Chadians spend on defence annually? $300 million. Text they can boast of several SA-6 SAMS. Since 2014 we'veincreased defence expenditure from $2.1 billion to $5 billion. Last year we spent $5.06 billion. Where did the money go? Our soldiers ain't exactly the best paid onthe continent. It's almost as if we have to apologise for daring to buy advanced 4th Gen aircrafts.

No interceptor??
Abah wat do u call our Nig NAF chengdu F7 if we don't have an interceptor

SSBN:



BEEF is nothing but a self aggrandizing egomaniac mummy. Yes I will say it again. BEEG is an arrogant dude. A blog without viewership or contributions is nothing. The contributions of hundreds of is what made his blog among the hottest. He allowed it get to his head. He acted entitled, abandoned his bkog, that is an insult to all of us.

M not happy for ur not responding to my question. U have a knowledge and someone wants to have a bit off of it n u running abah brother life ain't so.

The Chengdu F-7N is a widow maker. We've lost more pilots to crashes than to enemy fire, besides of the 10 F-7N in service only 6 are currently operable. How can you defend the airspace of one of Africa's most powerful and wealthiest country with TEN F-7's ? We can spend $5 Billion on capital expenditure alone and not beak the Bank. Undr GEJZ Nigerian military chiefs stole $2 Billion, the funds meant to buy arms, did Nigeria go bankrupt.? The Nigerian airspace is among the least defended on earth I kid ye not. Remember when Chadian helicopter gunships unilaterally carried out air strikes in Borno State without permission? Nigeria was completely oblivious to this event until the Chadians proudly announced what they had done. We had no means of detecting them. If tomorrow the Chadians or French decides to carry out airstrikes against Nigerian targets with, not a full squadron but just 5 Mig-29's or the SU, what can Nigeria muster to challenge this breech of enemy aircraft into Nigerian airspace? Three F-7's? Embrae Super Tucano's?

In December 2016 Cameroonian BIR, in a bid to outperform the Chadians illegally crossed into Nigerian territor, stormed a village in Borno "in search of Boko Haram militants", killed 60 Nigerian civilians and razed down the village. Again we were clueless as to what transpired, not even verbal condemnation from GEJ. A week later AGAIN Cameoonian troops crossed over, murdered nearly a hundred Nigerian troops,..what did we do? ..that's right - NOTHING. They did this 3 times in the span of days. Because of the corrupt and lame duck president 30,000 defenceless civilians lost their lives because Nigeria became a free for all. Boko Haram, Chad, Cameroon, France. The Super Tucano is not what Nigeria needs, frankly its stupid spending $600 million for that crap when we can equally buy a squadron of high end miltirole fightethat can equally perform that mission multirole. The Alpha's and L-39's should be given to the Army aviation. We need anti aircraft missiles or fast interceptors, not that propeller plane.

Tlion19:

M not happy for ur not responding to my question. U have a knowledge and someone wants to have a bit off of it n u running abah brother life ain't so.

Sorry, what question? Did you send me a message?

They learn about a new plane,they think they are defence experts
They imagine things in their heads, they create a blog
God have mercy

Odunayaw:
They learn about a new plane,they think they are defence experts

They imagine things in their heads, they create a blog

God have mercy

You must be an insecure self absorbed negative person in real life. Have i invited you to my blog? Does my blog make you lose sleep at night? You self absorbed armchair analyst cannot stand an opinion contrary to yours. You lash out and throw jabs to opinions contrary to yours.

That said, I never claimed to be a defense expert. It is you so called "defence experts" who refuse to think outside the box. You see absolutely nothing wrong keeping the NAF in the stone age. Who ever negotiated the $360 million F-7N deal needs to be locked up. Think about this. With the Embrae deal Nigeria would have spent $1.2 BILLION USD on strike aircraft aircraft alone yet we still have a stone age Air Force. John Travolta has a collection of two Alpha jets he flies himself. That is the workhorse of the Nigerian Air Force. Look around the air forces of other countries, is this what we deserve? Is this the best Nigeria can do?