TheGoodJoe:


I agree with that too. Ighalo needs to work on getting sharper while attacking. His decision-making looks slow to me and shaves fraction of time when he is to react and produce goals.

At least he worked hard but not convincing.

Even at Watford he was best at scoring the lone ranger (one on one) kind of goals, the type he scored against Cameroon.

We also need a striker that scores from crosses: header, tap-ins, jab ins and so on. No be only jam body goal.

Hahaha..
I'm sure you see no problem with how Pinnick informed us and everyone.. You do really like to be updated on the pages of papers.. There is another world out there besides the world of a consumer.

TheGoodJoe:


What is announcing switch? The NFF chairman took the liberty of contacting him, meeting with him. Is the form text book? He has not made up his mind. Finito. That means, he is still waiting for Tunde's proposal.

He is even saying he is still focused on the U21. That means, he is not even filling the form. He even said in that post he does not even know what is going on.

That boy should fear God.

Icon4s:


Sure I know.

The think is I am not comfortable with Ighalo being our top striker in the WC.

He is not clinical enough.

And also Iheanacho is not getting the desired game time at Leicester.

We need a striker that is very active in a competitive league.

Oga icon4s u be boss here,pls i want u to tell us d striker now,agreed Nacho is warming bench,Ighalo not too clinical.

Pls let's go down to memory lane,Westerhoff era,we have Yekini,Amokachie, Siasia as d strikers but i can tell u they are not our best in Europe as at that time but d best in national team.

Hope u remember Richard Owubokiri in Boavista,d second best striker in d whole Europe but couldn't break into Eagles, Did u remember Mike Obiku in Feyenord,Chris Ohenhen in Compostela in LA liga.

These are in form player and superb strikers who are supposed to be in d team but Westerhoff believe National team was a different ball games and he stick to his team especially Samson Siasia who was finding it difficult in Europe.

Despite Efan Ekoku high profile with Norwich he find it difficult to break into XI,if I can remember Ekoku only had a game against Zaire.

My question is this where are d strikers that are better,if we can get them no issue,national team belongs to all players.

TheGoodJoe:


I still believe Onyekuru is better hitman than Tammy. The challenge Onyekuru faces is variance. He suits a similar system like Iheanacho but Tammy can function in a conservative/defensive system.

Tammy is a typical CF while Onyekuru is a WF.

You are right about his similarities with Iheanacho.

Tammy would just fit in perfectly well given the short time the national team has to prepare for matches.

But for Onyekuru you need to groom him into that position just like we are doing for Iheanacho. And this may take some time.

Icon4s:


That second wasted move in particular almost made me break my TV screen.

Had that chance that fell to Iwobi fell to Ighalo that game would have ended goalless.

He wasted that second chance. He should have been on point like Iwobi. Iwobi saved Ighalo. Should we have drawn or lost that match he'd be a goner.

jam body goal? haha we go manage am..
Moses cross when Ighalo classily jumped over for Mikel to convert nko. Ighalo is a team player.. I like his all-round play.. if he doesn't score he is very likely to assist. He is our best striker at the moment.. Those calling for his head now forget that Iheanacho also fired blanks for SE sometimes, and they blamed Iheanacho then for this and that. hahaha na wa.. why we like to flip-flop na.

Icon4s:


Even at Watford he was best at scoring the lone ranger (one on one) kind of goals, the type he scored against Cameroon.

We also need a striker that scores from crosses: header, tap-ins, jab ins and so on. No be only jam body goal.

jam body goal? haha we go manage am..
Moses cross when Ighalo classily jumped over for Mikel to convert nko. Ighalo is a team player.. I like his all-round play.. if he doesn't score he is very likely to assist. He is our best striker at the moment..The goal Simon scored nko.. he worked so hard for it.. even the one Simon missed with bicycle kick.. Iheanacho can't contribute like that.. That's the kind of strengths Iheanacho don't posses. But Iheanacho also has his that is missing in Ighalo's game. Those calling for his head now forget that Iheanacho also fired blanks for SE sometimes, and they blamed Iheanacho then for this and that. hahaha na wa.. why we like to flip-flop na.

Icon4s:


Even at Watford he was best at scoring the lone ranger (one on one) kind of goals, the type he scored against Cameroon.

We also need a striker that scores from crosses: header, tap-ins, jab ins and so on. No be only jam body goal.

TheGoodJoe:


I am not trying to crucify Ighalo. Just pointing out the bias criticism Iheanacho gets. Ighalo worked hard but as I pointed earlier, I am not into that big number nine thing. It suits conservative football but far from the best modern approaches that rain goals.

Please I don't understand this big number nine you talking about. Is it in reference to the physical build of the striker or the importance of the position cos I keep looking for the bigness of Ighalo but ain't seeing it.

TheGoodJoe:


I agree with that too. Ighalo needs to work on getting sharper while attacking. His decision-making looks slow to me and shaves fraction of time when he is to react and produce goals.

At least he worked hard but not convincing.

Ehen, he should work harder. If we can get a better nine good for us. He would be back up. I don't see Nwakaeme cutting it(and I concede I might be wrong).

Joebie:
Good. I don't buy into those comparisons of Ighalo and Iheanacho. But I must say all-round play Ighalo has more strengths than Iheanacho. Iheanacho, however, has a better sense of positioning and quick reaction..

You have chewed the Kolanut at the right spot.

Icon4s:


That one.

I call him "jam body striker".

The problem is we have so many strikers but none is a stand out.

Iheanacho, well he is still up and coming but his rise has not progressed as much as most expected. He is the only striker among the lots we I have that is most likely to make the WC squad. Ighalo too may squeeze through.

We need some one like Abraham. Having Abraham and Iheanacho together in your team would be mind burbling.

What about Dessers, Bonaventure? What do you think? Hype or the real deal?

I wan play, I wan play no mean say when you come play you go play well cos from watching football I have realised that club and national football ain't the same. Club is an indicator though.

Kog45:
Oga icon4s u be boss here,pls i want u to tell us d striker now,agreed Nacho is warming bench,Ighalo not too clinical.

Pls let's go down to memory lane,Westerhoff era,we have Yekini,Amokachie, Siasia as d strikers but i can tell u they are not our best in Europe as at that time but d best in national team.

Hope u remember Richard Owubokiri in Boavista,d second best striker in d whole Europe but couldn't break into Eagles, Did u remember Mike Obiku in Feyenord,Chris Ohenhen in Compostela in LA liga.

These are in form player and superb strikers who are supposed to be in d team but Westerhoff believe National team was a different ball games and he stick to his team especially Samson Siasia who was finding it difficult in Europe.

Despite Efan Ekoku high profile with Norwich he find it difficult to break into XI,if I can remember Ekoku only had a game against Zaire.

My question is this where are d strikers that are better,if we can get them no issue,national team belongs to all players.

Good question.

But let me respond to the other parts of your comments first.

Those names you mentioned: Richard Owobokiri, Mike Obiku and Chris Ohenhen were no where near the qualities of Yekini, Amokachi and Siasia as at that 1993-94 period.

Efan Ekoku. That flop. With all the rantings then about how he was better than Yekini. Only for him to miss a simple tap in against Zaire at the Q/Final of the 1994 AFCON.

Can you compare the present qualities of Ighalo, Nwakaeme and Iheanacho even add Kayode to those of Yekini, Amokachi and Siasia of 94?

The era of Martins, Yakubu, Osaze, Utaka, Ike Uche was even better than this current strike force.
This is a challenge and we have to recognize and address it.

That is my point.

We are Nigeria. We are known for producing quality strikers. We have standards.

Now, to which striker is better than Ighalo and Iheanacho (even though i know the view from where you are coming from but let me answer straight) I am not saying outrightly that Tammy is better but he has a potential of doing better than Ighalo come June next year. This is a boy that has distinguished himself as a youth player for both club and country( England).
Sent on loan to Swansea by his parent club didn't waste time in ceasing a starting place, something even Iheanacho could not do.

Tammy's career is on the rise and if he continues playing for Swansea week in week out would have grown into a more matured goals poacher by next summer.

I hope Iheanacho's fortune improves at Leicester, but Ighalo I am not sure we'll see any improvements in his game from now to June next year.

TheGoodJoe:


I still believe Onyekuru is better hitman than Tammy. The challenge Onyekuru faces is variance. He suits a similar system like Iheanacho but Tammy can function in a conservative/defensive system.

Club football vs World Cup.
Which country plays 3-4-3? Just curious. Italy under Conte , Holland under Van Gaal?

Joebie:
Na because I no list wetin I mean by all-round.. Abi didn't Iheanacho come in against Cameroon in Yaounde?
I don't agree with the bolded though.. I think you are a little extreme with your comparison. As Mujtahida rightly said, there are some gray areas.

He presses better like he did against Algeria and South Africa. Dude just scores. Finito

Mujtahida:

He wasted that second chance. He should have been on point like Iwobi. Iwobi saved Ighalo. Should we have drawn or lost that match he'd be a goner.

You get the point.

Mujtahida:

What about Dessers, Bonaventure? What do you think? Hype or the real deal?

I wan play, I wan play no mean say when you come play you go play well cos from watching football I have realised that club and national football ain't the same. Club is an indicator though.

These are also bright youngsters. But what is the status of their nationality issues?

Also add Peter Olayinka to that pool.

And you are right about club football being different from national team football.

Some players even deliver more at national team level than at club level.

Moses, Abdullahi Named In World Cup Qualfiers Best XI

Icon4s:


Even at Watford he was best at scoring the lone ranger (one on one) kind of goals, the type he scored against Cameroon.

We also need a striker that scores from crosses: header, tap-ins, jab ins and so on. No be only jam body goal.

Truly we are limited upfront ooo. When we meet a team with a more compact defence we will be exposed cos we don't shoot from outside the box, we don't score from free kicks, corners, headers. Of our eleven goals so far ten have come from within the box. Only Ighalo's goal was from outside. Look at Germany, France and Spain shooting goals from outside.

Joebie:
jam body goal? haha we go manage am..
Moses cross when Ighalo classily jumped over for Mikel to convert nko. Ighalo is a team player.. I like his all-round play.. if he doesn't score he is very likely to assist. He is our best striker at the moment.. Those calling for his head now forget that Iheanacho also fired blanks for SE sometimes, and they blamed Iheanacho then for this and that. hahaha na wa.. why we like to flip-flop na.

Lol at 'Ighalo classily jumped over' is he not even the one that others should be jumping over for him to score?

Both Iheanacho and Ighalo have received a fair share of my criticism.

I am not in the habit of practicing selective criticism.

Icon4s:


This are also bright youngsters. But what is the status of their nationality issues?

Also add Peter Olayinka to that pool.

And you are right about club football being different from national team football.

Some players even deliver more at national team level than at club level.

I think only Dessers has dual nationality.
I consider National football to be more difficult than club football cos here beyond money national pride is at stake. Iwobi said scoring that goal gave him the most awesome feeling ever. See Messi struggling to put national glory on his glittering career. Nothing like playing for your country.

Mujtahida:

Truly we are limited upfront ooo. When we meet a team with a more compact defence we will be exposed cos we don't shoot from outside the box, we don't score from free kicks, corners, headers. Of our eleven goals so far ten have come from within the box. Only Ighalo's goal was from outside. Look at Germany, France and Spain shooting goals from outside.

You get the point.

That our attack is so blunt. Our WC attacking department has never been this bad.

Thank God they have Classy players like V.Moses, Mikel Obi and Alex Iwobi playing behind them.

At the WC a very tactical coach can just take out Moses and Iwobi and the team is dead.

Icon4s:


You get the point.

That our attack is so blunt. Our WC attacking department has never been this bad.

Thank God they have Classy players like V.Moses, Mikel Obi and Alex Iwobi playing behind them.

At the WC a very tactical coach can just take out Moses and Iwobi and the team is dead.

Chai and yes that duo they can be contained. Moses wasn't outstanding in any of our matches last WC, though the Moses of now is different from then.

Team play is your overall contribution. If you want a dedicated 9 who will ONLY score all the time, mention a REALISTIC suggestion and not make projections that may not come to pass. Who is that dream 9? As a coach, you will fail because you want to work with fantasy players. A good coach should be able to get the best of what is available at all times.

Icon4s:


Lol at 'Ighalo classily jumped over' is he not even the one that others should be jumping over for him to score?

Both Iheanacho and Ighalo have received a fair share of my criticism.

I am not in the habit of practicing selective criticism.

Joebie:
I know we are not used to that level of professionalism in this part of the world. We just talk anyhow.

Can you give me names of a few players that have announced their switch on interviews or papers?

most of you are not understanding the issue here. I could care less about the interview

My own issue is that he went ahead to line up for England's U21, and you people still insist that he is good to go for the World Cup.

Nigerians are like that girl who is targeting the rich, flashy, handsome guy who sees her as a friend, while ignoring the modest, not so flashy one who is begging for her attention. That is what you guys look like now

The only forward I am interested in discussing as regards World Cup is Dessers, at least he is not tied to any team and he actually has repeatedly said he wants to play for us.

I don't know if you guys remember the last foreign player to do this, but his name is Leon Balogun and he has been arguably our best player this year.

Why we have decided to shove Cyril under the desk and discuss this boy that has equally shoved us under the desk is beyond me.

Cyril has far better stats this season and will be far more dedicated to the team than Tammy....bear in mind he was talking before our WC dreams were right in front of us

Tammy can become whatever he wants to be, but he will not use our World Cup slot to shine.

#TeamCyrilDessers

Joebie:
Team play is your overall contribution. If you want a dedicated 9 who will ONLY score all the time, mention a REALISTIC suggestion and not make projections that may not come to pass. Who is that dream 9? As a coach, you will fail because you want to work with fantasy players. A good coach should be able to get the best of what is available at all times.

No fantasy here.

I don't know about you but I have seen better Super Eagles forwards line from yesteryears.

If you are satisfied with the attacking line we have, your opinion. But I am not, my opinion also.

Joebie BTW where are the two left backs you promised us.
Or are they not "Realistic"?

Icon4s:


Good question.

But let me respond to the other parts of your comments first.

Those names you mentioned: Richard Owobokiri, Mike Obiku and Chris Ohenhen were no where near the qualities of Yekini, Amokachi and Siasia as at that 1993-94 period.

Efan Ekoku. That flop. With all the rantings then about how he was better than Yekini. Only for him to miss a simple tap in against Zaire at the Q/Final of the 1994 AFCON.

Can you compare the present qualities of Ighalo, Nwakaeme and Iheanacho even add Kayode to those of Yekini, Amokachi and Siasia of 94?

The era of Martins, Yakubu, Osaze, Utaka, Ike Uche was even better than this current strike force.
This is a challenge and we have to recognize and address it.

That is my point.

We are Nigeria. We are known for producing quality strikers. We have standards.

Now, to which striker is better than Ighalo and Iheanacho (even though i know the view from where you are coming from but let me answer straight) I am not saying outrightly that Tammy is better but he has a potential of doing better than Ighalo come June next year. This is a boy that has distinguished himself as a youth player for both club and country( England).
Sent on loan to Swansea by his parent club didn't waste time in ceasing a starting place, something even Iheanacho could not do.

Tammy's career is on the rise and if he continues playing for Swansea week in week out would have grown into a more matured goals poacher by next summer.

I hope Iheanacho's fortune improves at Leicester, but Ighalo I am not sure we'll see any improvements in his game from now to June next year.

oya, goan drag Tammy from England's U21 team.

You are one of the people who constantly talks about how playing for the National team should be a thing of pride and how we shouldn't be begging players to represent us...but you just dey here dey shout Tammy upandan as if the boy is unattached

Make we go dey beg Tammy because he has scored 21 goals in 10 matches in La Liga and is the next Messi.

Tammy is occupied, focus on players that are not.

Madam you are missing the point. Tammy had been a member of the U21 team. And he remains a member until a switch is done. Normally, that's how things are done. I'm still waiting for someone to name a player or two that announced that they had switched on the pages of a paper.
The guy is just maintaing good public realation. Maybe some of us don't understand that he remains answerable to the UK public

Pinnick handled the situation badly. And I've said it from the start that the process is on. The latest news buttresses my analysis that he never turned down Nigeria.

The problem is we are like that guy who once got humiliated by a very very rude girl. And that really affected his self-esteem, and made him feel not good enough. From then on he easily reads other girls body language or takes thier every remark as an outright rejection.

I will not speak on this issue again until I'm fully vindicated. Bookmark this

safarigirl:
most of you are not understanding the issue here. I could care less about the interview

My own issue is that he went ahead to line up for England's U21, and you people still insist that he is good to go for the World Cup.

Nigerians are like that girl who is targeting the rich, flashy, handsome guy who sees her as a friend, while ignoring the modest, not so flashy one who is begging for her attention. That is what you guys look like now

The only forward I am interested in discussing as regards World Cup is Dessers, at least he is not tied to any team and he actually has repeatedly said he wants to play for us.

I don't know if you guys remember the last foreign player to do this, but his name is Leon Balogun and he has been arguably our best player this year.

Why we have decided to shove Cyril under the desk and discuss this boy that has equally shoved us under the desk is beyond me.

Cyril has far better stats this season and will be far more dedicated to the team than Tammy....bear in mind he was talking before our WC dreams were right in front of us

Tammy can become whatever he wants to be, but he will not use our World Cup slot to shine.

#TeamCyrilDessers

safarigirl:
oya, goan drag Tammy from England's U21 team.

You are one of the people who constantly talks about how playing for the National team should be a thing of pride and how we shouldn't be begging players to represent us...but you just dey here dey shout Tammy upandan as if the boy is unattached

Make we go dey beg Tammy because he has scored 21 goals in 10 matches in La Liga and is the next Messi.

Tammy is occupied, focus on players that are not.

Begging ke.

He has not rejected Nigeria. He just has not accepted Nigeria yet. So he us still open for talks.

Haha Oya make we beg yekini to ressurect Na.. Just limit your arguments to Pep-led clubs. We talking national teams now and the realities on ground

Modified
That Pep reference was for TheGoodJoe lol

Icon4s:


No fantasy here.

I don't know about you but I have seen better Super Eagles forwards line from yesteryears.

If you are satisfied with the attacking line we have, your opinion. But I am not, my opinion also.

Joebie:
Madam you are missing the point. Tammy had been a member of the U21 team. And he remains a member until a switch is done. Normally, that's how things are done. I'm still waiting for someone to name a player or two that announced that they had switched on the pages of a paper.
The guy is just maintaing good public realation. Maybe some of us don't understand that he remains answerable to the UK public

Pinnick handled the situation badly. And I've said it from the start that the process is on. The latest news buttresses my analysis that he never turned down Nigeria.

The problem is we are like that guy who once got humiliated by a very very rude girl. And that really affected his self-esteem, and made him feel not good enough. From then on he easily reads other girls body language or takes thier every remark as an outright rejection.

I will not speak on this issue again until I'm fully vindicated. Bookmark this

ehn. You'll be vindicated after the World Cup.

Icon4s:


Begging ke.

He has not rejected Nigeria. He just has not accepted Nigeria yet. So he us still open for talks.

while una stikk dey follow am talk, let us talk about the people that don't need talks to play for us.

That is being realistic, not dreaming about players that are attached

Icon4s:


Good question.

But let me respond to the other parts of your comments first.

Those names you mentioned: Richard Owobokiri, Mike Obiku and Chris Ohenhen were no where near the qualities of Yekini, Amokachi and Siasia as at that 1993-94 period.

Efan Ekoku. That flop. With all the rantings then about how he was better than Yekini. Only for him to miss a simple tap in against Zaire at the Q/Final of the 1994 AFCON.

Can you compare the present qualities of Ighalo, Nwakaeme and Iheanacho even add Kayode to those of Yekini, Amokachi and Siasia of 94?

The era of Martins, Yakubu, Osaze, Utaka, Ike Uche was even better than this current strike force.
This is a challenge and we have to recognize and address it.

That is my point.

We are Nigeria. We are known for producing quality strikers. We have standards.

Now, to which striker is better than Ighalo and Iheanacho (even though i know the view from where you are coming from but let me answer straight) I am not saying outrightly that Tammy is better but he has a potential of doing better than Ighalo come June next year. This is a boy that has distinguished himself as a youth player for both club and country( England).
Sent on loan to Swansea by his parent club didn't waste time in ceasing a starting place, something even Iheanacho could not do.

Tammy's career is on the rise and if he continues playing for Swansea week in week out would have grown into a more matured goals poacher by next summer.

I hope Iheanacho's fortune improves at Leicester, but Ighalo I am not sure we'll see any improvements in his game from now to June next year.

My man am not comparing this team with any old super eagles teams.

My point is this do we have players to give Iheanacho, Ighalo a serious fight for a shirt at d moment.