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Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by hopefulLandlord: 10:54am On Oct 10, 2017 |
vaxx: stop this circumlocution which part of my post do you disagree with? |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by butterflyl1on: 10:54am On Oct 10, 2017 |
vaxx: When someone says he does not know and what they do not know can never be known it simply means that they have no single desire to know. So no amount of evidence can be accepted. That in a nutshell is insanity and closemindedness. |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by OtemAtum: 10:54am On Oct 10, 2017 |
malvisguy212:Hmmm...far lesser time than I have ever spent studying the bible all my whole life. BTW, nothing manipulates my mind, rather, I am here to build strong minds. |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Daeylar(f): 10:57am On Oct 10, 2017 |
Ioseph: Truth |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by vaxx: 10:57am On Oct 10, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:the idea of abrahimic god....you said most atheist are agonist but only disagree with abrahimic God.... |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by hopefulLandlord: 11:03am On Oct 10, 2017 |
vaxx: I said most atheists here on Nairaland are sure the abrahamic god doesn't exist OR should I say all personal gods don't exist but a creator remains a "possibility" so long there are things humans are yet to discover but that's all it is, a "possibility" |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Ioseph(m): 11:04am On Oct 10, 2017 |
How does the idea of a creator being make ANY sense? What is a creator being? What is it made of? Within which physical dimension does it reside? Is it sentient? How is it that we humans, a bundle of self-aware molecules on a tiny planet in a tiny solar system amidst billions of solar systems within a tiny galaxy amidst BILLIONS of galaxies, are - prior to any expedition - so utterly sure of the existence of such a being? This is the joke. It doesn't take much to realise that the concept of a "creator being" is just us humans projecting ourselves onto the environment. The idea of a "creator", with a mind and a penchant for design like us humans, that "made the universe out of nothing", is such an utterly humanised concept that I'm surprised more people in the ancient world never talked about it. God didn't make us in their own image, we made God in OUR own image. A deity, no matter what it is, simply has no evidence and no explainable REASON to have ever existed - and it's association with human or animal qualities like children or intelligence or life and death makes it painfully clear that god was only ever an idea. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by vaxx: 11:04am On Oct 10, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:am only trying to correct the misinterpretation of the word atheist and agonist together.... |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Martinez19(m): 11:04am On Oct 10, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:your inability to understand hopefulLandlord's post shows you are awful when it comes to thinking. You even called Ray comfort your man. Smh. |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by vaxx: 11:08am On Oct 10, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:in that case most atheists on nairaland will be called atheistic agonistic.... Which is still the same as atheist as my definition nail it... I reply your thread.... No atheist in the foxholes |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by hopefulLandlord: 11:12am On Oct 10, 2017 |
vaxx: oh! okay let me check |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by butterflyl1on: 11:24am On Oct 10, 2017 |
Martinez19: Shaarraaaaap! Agnostic atheist is logically impossible. It's as illogical as calling something falsely truly false. Agnostic Atheist by definition of those who claimed that they are, is a person who does not have a definite belief about whether God exist or not but also believes that God does not exist. Yahweh is seen as God and if they say that a creator may exist then what is their concept of this creator and why rule out Yahweh when they claim a creator may exist? Must this creator be according to their own perception of what a creator should look or act like? Can the created dictate what his creator should do or how he must act or how he must look like? Agnostic atheism is a mad mans atheism. 1 Like |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Ioseph(m): 11:32am On Oct 10, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: Agnostic atheism is not "logically impossible" - it denotes uncertainty. butterflyl1on: Because while 'technically' the existence of a so-called "creator being" is not ruled out, the idea of an abrahamic god in line with the Judaic, Christian or Muslim faiths is utterly nonsensical. The creation myth is simply put, debunked. The abrahamic god has no claims to legitimacy over the god or gods of any other human religion, and it's intense following worldwide through Islam and Christianity was created from conquest and the spread of religion by sword., not by any rabbithole of comparison and reasoning. butterflyl1on: Actually, it's the other way around - this is exactly how Christianity works. butterflyl1on: Christianity and Islam are a mad-man's agnosticism. 3 Likes |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by butterflyl1on: 11:35am On Oct 10, 2017 |
Ioseph: Yet a creator God might exist! I feel your delusion bro. It's some deep shiiit |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Martinez19(m): 11:37am On Oct 10, 2017 |
Ioseph:keep an eye on that moniker, some moments later, he will go back to square one stating the very same thing you just replied. |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Ioseph(m): 11:54am On Oct 10, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: What? Did you read anything in that post at all? I don't ascribe to agnosticism or agnostic atheism at all - I was explaining what it was and why it's more thoughtful than believing in an abrahamic god. A lot of your propositions about agnostic viewpoints (such as a "creator god" being defined and designed by their followers) are ironically perfect arguments for agnosticism over Christianity or Islam - Agnosticism simply posits that there is a "creator being" without presuming of it's character or role in history while agnostic atheism views matters on it's existence as unknowable, but religions like Christianity and Islam do the exact opposite. They paint a face on this "creator being", give it a name: God. Say that it was involved in the construction of earth through a (false) creation myth, say that "God" has rules that "He" wants humanity to follow, and that all others claiming the exact same thing are blasphemers or kuffar or whatnot. I responded to your questions and you cut discussion with a winky face and call me delusional. I think you should take a look in a mirror. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by butterflylion: 12:00pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
Ioseph: I am simply agreeing with you na Yes that position is more thoughtful I can see the deep thought put into it. Or can you not see it? And course creation is a myth and every other thing isn't. Just creation is delusion noun an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder. idiosyncratic adjective relating to idiosyncrasy; peculiar or individual I am sure you can make meaning of the bolded. . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Ioseph(m): 12:10pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
butterflylion: Yes, I can make meaning of the bolded. It is a description of you and your stance in regards to religious belief. The alternatives to the abrahamic creation myth are not delusion or idiosyncrasy - they are facts. We have telescopes that can see into the universal past through the observation of light rays hitting earth after travelling at lightspeed through vaste expanses of space over billions of years. Our world's advanced practices of Physics and Chemistry allow us to observe the age of sediments and materials through carbon dating, and our huge repository of cultural, anthropological and archaeological history reveal far more about the creation of the Earth, the history of the earth, the origins of life on earth and evolution than any Abrahamic creation myth has ever done, and it was done through analysis, reasoning and the scientific method, not through blind obsession with the Biblical Genesis. Not that I expect you to have any other arguments up your sleeve aside from more insults, posturing and sensationalism. 4 Likes |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:25pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: Why not? Is it not better than quoting atheists?
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Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by segunojo866: 12:26pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Yahweh exists but am sure him and Allah are terrorists 1 Like |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by segunojo866: 12:27pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:atheists are better off without God |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:29pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
Martinez19: Here is the movie where Ray Comfort revealed the atheists delusion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChWiZ3iXWwM Having to prove the existence of God to an atheist is like having to prove the existence of the sun, at noon on a clear day. Yet millions are embracing the foolishness of atheism. "The Atheist Delusion” pulls back the curtain and reveals what is going on in the mind of those who deny the obvious. It introduces you to a number of atheists who you will follow as they go where the evidence leads, find a roadblock, and enter into a place of honesty that is rarely seen on film." |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by segunojo866: 12:33pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:atheists and religious people are all confused |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:34pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: You must be 100% sure that God does not exist, are you that sure?
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Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Ranchhoddas: 12:34pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:As expected. Very convenient. |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by hopefulLandlord: 12:35pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU:I'm 100% sure Yahweh does not exist 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by butterflyl1on: 12:36pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas: Ode Abeg go and get help for your hallucinations. |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by butterflyl1on: 12:41pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
OLAADEGBU: ask him if he is 100% sure olorun does not exist or if Chineke does not exist or if Abasi does not exist or if Ahura Mazda does not exist? |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by Ranchhoddas: 12:49pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:Says the rogue. |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:52pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: If you're saying that you are 100% sure that God does not exist what you are saying is that you have infinite knowledge that He does not exist. Draw a circle. Let's say that this circle represents all the knowledge in the entire universe, to have 100% you must know how many hairs are upon every head, every thought of every human heart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock, nothing is hidden from your eyes, that you know the intimate details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napolean's great-grandmother, what amount of gold or petroleum there is in China etc. What % of this knowledge do you think you have? |
Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:56pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
segunojo866: Saying that atheists are better off is like saying you are better off without a parachute when asked to jump off a aeroplane flying about 30,000 feet. The one who uses a parachute is certainly better off.
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Re: Are Atheists And Skeptics Just An Angry Bunch Or Are They Actually Realistic? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:57pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
segunojo866: Did you watch the film? |
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