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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by 9inches(m):
9inches:
Offensive? Policing what pronouns an individual could use is rather ludicrous than offensive. You can see Bill C-16 is not limited exclusive to seniors.
LordReed:
What is ludicrous about legislating against discrimination or hate crimes?
9inches:
What is your definition of a hate crime? Let's assume I deliberately refer to you as a "she", will I be a criminal?
LordReed:
Did you read this law at all? The law doesn't criminalise calling someone a different pronoun than what they refer to themselves as. Maybe you should read it again and be certain what your grouse with it is.
You introduced "crime" into the discussion, didn't you?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 5:27pm On Oct 11, 2017
9inches:
You introduced "crime" into the discussion, didn't you?
You forgot to quote yourself
9inches:
What is your definition of a hate crime? Let's assume I deliberately refer to you as a "she", will I be a criminal?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by 9inches(m): 5:57pm On Oct 11, 2017
LordReed:
You forgot to quote yourself
Thanks for pointing that out. It was an oversight.

9inches:
Offensive? Policing what pronouns an individual could use is rather ludicrous than offensive. You can see Bill C-16 is not limited exclusive to seniors.
LordReed:
What is ludicrous about legislating against discrimination or hate crimes?
9inches:
What is your definition of a hate crime? Let's assume I deliberately refer to you as a "she", will I be a criminal?
LordReed:
Did you read this law at all? The law doesn't criminalise calling someone a different pronoun than what they refer to themselves as. Maybe you should read it again and be certain what your grouse with it is.
You introduced "crime" into the discussion, didn't you?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 8:36pm On Oct 11, 2017
9inches:
Thanks for pointing that out. It was an oversight.




You introduced "crime" into the discussion, didn't you?
And you asked a question which I answered, the law does not criminalise the use of unwanted pronouns so what exactly is your grouse with the law?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by 9inches(m): 9:57pm On Oct 11, 2017
LordReed:
And you asked a question which I answered, the law does not criminalise the use of unwanted pronouns so what exactly is your grouse with the law?
I will overlook your attempt at strawmanning.

Bill C-16 constrains unwanted, persistent behaviour, physical or verbal) that offends or humiliates
individuals on the basis of their gender identity or expression.

"Verbal" as mentioned above includes pronouns. So yes, the law, among other things, does criminalize the use of certain verbal expressions. And that infringes on one's freedom of expression.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by obixcel(m): 11:13pm On Oct 11, 2017
President Trump clears the air on NBC's fake news which claimed he wanted 10 times more Nuclear Arsenals grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM-B1vtXXM8
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by TheShopKeeper(m): 12:04am On Oct 12, 2017
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Abbeybailey(m): 3:37am On Oct 12, 2017
Village rat, your despotic wannabe leader is all over his head. Trump is a pathological and unrepentant liar . The only fake thing here is a worthless and misogynistic piece of poo that's turning a beautiful country to a laughing stock of the Western World. Still waiting for the Russian stooge to fire Director Mueller and see how quick his presidency will end.
obixcel:
President Trump clears the air on NBC's fake news which claimed he wanted 10 times more Nuclear Arsenals grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM-B1vtXXM8
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m):
9inches:
I will overlook your attempt at strawmanning.

Bill C-16 constrains unwanted, persistent behaviour, physical or verbal) that offends or humiliates
individuals on the basis of their gender identity or expression.

"Verbal" as mentioned above includes pronouns. So yes, the law, among other things, does criminalize the use of certain verbal expressions. And that infringes on one's freedom of expression.
I ask again have you read the actual law? If you have can you quote the actual wording where it mentions this? As far as I have read there is no wording about personal pronouns verbal expression so please quote the relevant section and enlighten me.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 4:25am On Oct 12, 2017
Here's a thought, why is Trump not suing news organizations for libel if it's all fake news?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Abbeybailey(m): 5:56am On Oct 12, 2017
No one except the village rats and Neo Nazis take trump seriously anymore. He's turning the WH to House of Chaos. Republican Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska is the latest to jump on his case for threatening News Stations that are critical of him. Trump is a demented old fool. He's in the early stage of dementia that took the life of his Father and Grandfather.
LordReed:
Here's a thought, why is Trump not suing news organizations for libel if it's all fake news?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 6:48am On Oct 12, 2017
Obamas Won’t Return Nearly $1 Million Given to Them By Harvey Weinstein. Breathtaking corruption!


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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 6:49am On Oct 12, 2017
grin grin angry grin grin. This is fake news but funny

Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 7:21am On Oct 12, 2017
The fact that Harvey Weinstein has to go all the way to Europe for sex addiction therapy is just another example of how ObamaCare has failed


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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 7:24am On Oct 12, 2017
African-American unemployment rate fell to 17-yr low. Rates for all other major racial groups fell. No media traction on this fact- Strange!
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 7:33am On Oct 12, 2017
[i][/i]Trump was living the dream, an icon, loved by all. Gave it all up to speak for voiceless, one of the most selfless acts in human history.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by 9inches(m): 12:34pm On Oct 12, 2017
LordReed:
I ask again have you read the actual law? If you have can you quote the actual wording where it mentions this? As far as I have read there is no wording about personal pronouns verbal expression so please quote the relevant section and enlighten me.
According to the Canadian Bar Association:
"In federally regulated workplaces, services, accommodation, and other areas covered by the Canadian Human Rights Act, it will constrain unwanted, persistent behaviour (physical or verbal) that offends or humiliates individuals on the basis of their gender identity or expression."

VIOLATIONS OF THE NEW YORK CITY HUMAN RIGHTS LAW’S PROHIBITIONS ON GENDER DISCRIMINATION
The NYCHRL requires employers and covered entities to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification.

Most individuals and many transgender people use female or male pronouns and titles. Some transgender and gender non-conforming people prefer to use pronouns other than he/him/his or she/her/hers, such as they/them/theirs or ze/hir. 10 Many transgender and gender non-conforming people choose to use a different name than the one they were given at birth.

All people, including employees, tenants, customers, and participants in programs, have the right to use their preferred name regardless of whether they have identification in that name or have obtained a court-ordered name change, except in very limited circumstances where certain federal, state, or local laws require otherwise (e.g., for purposes of employment eligibility verification with the federal government). Asking someone their preferred gender pronoun and preferred name is not a violation of the NYCHRL.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Abbeybailey(m): 4:55pm On Oct 12, 2017
stanech:
[i][/i]Trump was living the dream, an icon, loved by all. Gave it all up to speak for voiceless, one of the most selfless acts in human history.
Trump was scamming people with his Trump University at the same time that he was declaring bankruptcies having the Banks that borrowed him money holding the bags . Meanwhile, the workers building his fake empires were not being paid. That's the reason that over 3.000 lawsuits have been filed against him. He had to pay $45 million to settle the people he conned out of their money through the Fake, Unacredited and Worthless Tramp University. I do not expect a village ritualistic rat like you to know all that from your sewage filled hell hole.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by happney65: 6:30pm On Oct 12, 2017
Brannon says only 30% chance Trump finishes his term..Even confirmed racists like Bannon knows the defeats of his are getting to his nerves and he is losing it..
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by PDPGuy: 7:53pm On Oct 12, 2017
Kirstjen Nielsen has been nominated by Trump to be the next Secretary of Homeland Security.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by 9inches(m): 9:14pm On Oct 12, 2017
stanech:
grin grin angry grin grin. This is fake news but funny
If you had not mentioned it's fake news, abbeybailey would have copied and reposted it as a real Donald Trump tweet. The boy can be gullible eh.. grin
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by 9inches(m): 9:26pm On Oct 12, 2017
happney65:
Brannon says only 30% chance Trump finishes his term..Even confirmed racists like Bannon knows the defeats of his are getting to his nerves and he is losing it..
Bannon is working for Trump unofficially from outside the WH.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by 9inches(m): 9:28pm On Oct 12, 2017
PDPGuy:
Kirstjen Nielsen has been nominated by Trump to be the next Secretary of Homeland Security.
But Trump is sexist nah tongue grin
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Abbeybailey(m): 9:34pm On Oct 12, 2017
happney65:
Brannon says only 30% chance Trump finishes his term..Even confirmed racists like Bannon knows the defeats of his are getting to his nerves and he is losing it..
The real republicans are coming out one after the other condemning the clueless bigot. The latest one is Ben Sasee of Nevada. The congressional elections of 2018 will be The achille hills for the party of Lincoln and that's when they will find out that the cluelessly inept Buffon is a curse on America. Meanwhile, the never do well rats will still be wetting their pants in their villages.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 9:46pm On Oct 12, 2017
9inches:
If you had not mentioned it's fake news, abbeybailey would have copied and reposted it as a real Donald Trump tweet. The boy can be gullible eh.. grin
Lol. He is actually mental case..
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by 9inches(m): 9:53pm On Oct 12, 2017
stanech:
Lol. He is actually mental case..
I swear. Do you think he is they are a trans person? I'm trying to use the correct pronoun here. I come in peace! lipsrsealed
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by obixcel(m): 12:01am On Oct 13, 2017
9inches:
But Trump is sexist nah tongue grin
Women now rule the White House and they say he's sexist, misogynist? haha. They claim he's Anti-Semite whereas his children are mostly jews? They say the economy and the market would fall apart the instant he wins; He won and what now? We are witnessing the very opposite - positive growth, broken records and high optimism. Need I say more? grin grin
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by obixcel(m): 12:29am On Oct 13, 2017
Eminem is a very clever guy in a way that his latest tantrum/rap grin (now receiving applause from the never-trumpers) directed at President Trump came at no surprise. He's done similarly in the past
- He first dissed Hillary Clinton back in 1999 in his infamous debut referencing the time period when she was first lady. He released his first album almost immediately.
- He dissed then President George Bush in 2003 & 2004 with regards to the war in Iraq, and immediately released another album. The result? It sold millions.
- Now it's President Trump's turn; He's preparing to release his new album
grin grin grin
What a smart guy, perfect timing, laying the ground work for another one. Unfortunately too many sheeps are gonna fall for this crook once again. A guy that is currently worth at least 190 million dollars and yet accused President Trump (in his latest rap) of flying around with his jet?
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Abbeybailey(m): 12:33am On Oct 13, 2017
stanech:
Lol. He is actually mental case..
The same way your ritualist folks are.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Abbeybailey(m): 12:37am On Oct 13, 2017
9inches:
I swear. Do you think he is they are a trans person? I'm trying to use the correct pronoun here. I come in peace! lipsrsealed
Another third world low life mouthing off. I bet I can drop you off in Conhurskers field and you won't know where the heck you are. Your titanic is drowning and a worthless rat is obsessed about America. Nazi loving, Okrika wearing piece of garbage.
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Abbeybailey(m): 12:41am On Oct 13, 2017
obixcel:
Eminem is a very clever guy in a way that his latest tantrum/rap grin (now receiving applause from the never-trumpers) directed at President Trump came at no surprise. He's done similarly in the past
- He first dissed Hillary Clinton back in 1999 in his infamous debut referencing the time period when she was first lady. He released his first album almost immediately.
- He dissed then President George Bush in 2003 & 2004 with regards to the war in Iraq, and immediately released another album. The result? It sold millions.
- Now it's President Trump's turn; He's preparing to release his new album
grin grin grin
What a smart guy, perfect timing, laying the ground work for another one. Unfortunately too many sheeps are gonna fall for this crook once again. A guy that is currently worth at least 190 million dollars and yet accused President Trump (in his latest rap) of flying around with his jet?
It has nothing to do with dropping an album. He's calling tramp out because more and more Americans are finding out that we have a confirmed White Supremacist as a president. I guess according to a Nazi loving African, anyone critical of Trampy is dropping an album. What a ratty way of thinking. Coming from you, it's not a surprise.

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