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kozmicity:
I thought of this then I decided to ask this question...

"Does anybody know how much it takes to start a weapons & machinery factory"??

kozmicity:
God bless you for that @bolded...Ive always wondered why that was so...despite seeing the public humiliation Obama put us through...Even the South Americans detect them because of their born to rule mentality.
The day our people stop seeking their approval for anything will mark a new chapter in our country's progress.

tsdarkside:
alot...but you can start small...everything starts small.....innoson started small too....and now they are responsible for the brakes of the alpha jets...

ocelot2006:
Boy, you're still stuck in the 70s/80s??! Christ!! Maybe you did not get the memo, but:

1)Idi Amin was overthrown DECADES ago by Museveni

2)Museveni has ruled Uganda from then till date.

3)Museveni LIKES AMERICA

End of story (Google is your friend)

tsdarkside:
motivate??..how long you wan motivate them??..till you land in your grave??...i think separation is the best way.....

i hate talking to people over and over again and they still dont get it...we are all toghether,why dont we all become gays,lesbians and such...

the western nations will not like you when you dont accept this absurdities.....we must separate...each go their own way....

cstr1000:
Look at the way Russia took back Crimea from ukraine because some of them want to be Russian.
That is exactly what Nigeria should do in southern Cameroon. But you need a strong military to do that.

kozmicity:
That's where Nigeria needs to invest the $600million...with that amount and reverse engineering,we'ed have the capability to produce about 4 alpha jets.

kozmicity:
I thought of this then I decided to ask this question...

"Does anybody know how much it takes to start a weapons & machinery factory"??

kozmicity:
In event of a snake bite,you try to treat the arm first before you think of cutting it off...we can't motivate them individually,but if we could gain the support of those heavyweights I mentioned before...there's a 70% chance(I love those odds)

EternalTruths:
and tsdarkside


You don't need to set IP a weapons & machinery factory to develop a model.

Citizens will be challenged to develop a model and people like Innoson, Dangote etc will be given the model to mass produce it.

tsdarkside:
if we realy loved ourselves so much we should be already at war with cameroon to get bakassi back...

this our self hate is pitiful,its like a desease....

EternalTruths:
and tsdarkside


You don't need to set IP a weapons & machinery factory to develop a model.

Citizens will be challenged to develop a model and people like Innoson, Dangote etc will be given the model to mass produce it.

baralatie:
there is nothing we can do about bakasi at least not for now!
we make any stupid move and it is going to be Nigeria versus France. imagine what we will end up with.
the best thing for us is to develop economically and those experience real growth and prosperity.
then life will be a little easier for the bakassi cameroun indigenes because of border trade

EternalTruths:
and tsdarkside


You don't need to set up a weapons & machinery factory to develop a model.

Citizens will be challenged to develop a model and people like Innoson, Dangote etc will be given the model to mass produce it.



SSBN CSTR1000 and Baralatie, this is the pathway to catch up with the West.

kozmicity:
Most are there,with model drones and jeeps,aircrafts and they are always carried by news headlines buy we always forget the most important question...

This is equal to the proverbial "who will bell the cat"it was a brilliant idea until the time was near to decide who to bell it.
Despite being carried on Social media,media powerhouses and outlets,blogs and papers,the gorvenment has failed to take notice of those individuals....why,where,when and how are the questions we should ask ourselves...
"How do we bring these set of talented individuals to gorvernment notice"

tsdarkside:
are you afraid of france?.....

uckennety:
Get back bakassi!1st then we can start talking!!

Nigeria is not united to start with 1st!any country that invade Nigeria now!especially from the southern part! After making deals with locals will surely win

Nigeria is simply a geo-political territory not a group of people

EternalTruths:
That is why I said, the government is filled with idiots & thieves who fail to realize the relationship between gifted people developing a model and industrialists mass producing them.

baralatie:
it has EU support with Germany,Spain, Russia and the United States.
some wars are won on economic sanctions and manipulatios.
Nigeria has itself,its people,its existence .it is better we leave cameroun to deal with separatist agitations from the bakassi and the anglophone regions than for Nigeria to have a combined problem in addition to what we have now

tsdarkside:
okay.....am more beat them up and think later....

and if france try any war with nigeria...thats automatical ww3...pandemonium....you dont see it because you are scared....

ofcourse we will say cameroon started it.....they are already crossing the borders again....bakassi is not enough for them it seems...

we should kick their african heads in.....

baralatie:
war does not follow the way you make it sound.
this was the major mistake Japan made against China and it most an opportunity to be among the world security alliance in terms of decision making.
the error came from a certain general who said he would run over China in three months ended with a war of three years and later surrendered to China and the allies.
Nigeria should stay clear of war politics some nations like France have seen it twice!
what Nigeria should pursue is economic growth,prosperity and a formidable armed force

EternalTruths:
I may not like your anti Biafra stance but you got this one right.

Reverse Engineering should be one of the starting pillars.

nemesis4u:
reverse engineering is not that easy , infact it is very tough

why ?

eg. u want to reverse engineer a air drop dumb bomb of 500kg class

first u will need mastery over the explosive components and their functional parameters of the bomb to be reverse engineered , u will have to figure out the composition , then their performance characteristics , then realize test facilities to figure/test out the parameters , if successful u will need to develop tools and production methodologies to develop the same and then ensure QC through out the process.

2nd u will need to figure out the working of the fuze which involves micro electronics, high G resistant piezoelectric components etc , this will require state of the art test facilities like electronic foundry and top notch equipment's , after that u will need to test the fuzes over the entire operational regime to ensure its desired performance , this will involve firing of thousands and lakhs of shells to unsure compliance with standards.if successful u will need to develop tools and production methodologies to develop the same and then ensure QC through out the process.

then u will need to figure out the composition of the shell ie metallurgical aspect , u will need to replicate it successfully and test it to ensure desired parameters r met .if successful u will need to develop tools and production methodologies to develop the same and then ensure QC through out the process.

after the finished product comes out u will need to certify it for the weapons platform u r going to use on , this is a long process and involves lot of flights in different flight regimes in dedicated air range testing facilities. also u will need to develop the ejection pylons or certify existing ones

the domains involved for the simple task of reverse engineering a dump air dropped bomb r

1.chemical engineering
2.metallurgy
3.structural engineering
4.micro electronics engineering
5.mechanical engineering
6.electrical engineering
7.electronics engineering
8.software engineering
9.production engineering
10.QC engineering

etc
etc

and all the related trained man power together with infrastructure, R & D and test facilities at all the stages

till date electronic/mechanical fuze for bombs r made by less than 10 or so countries , so u understand the enormity of the task of reverse engineering it inspite of me making it sound so easy.

chinese were able to reverse engineer becz they invested massive human resources and billions of dollars for the same , labor cost is cheap in china and they have single party rule and even then they took considerable time money and resource to accomplish it .

no other country can replicate what china did it is not possible becz of huge costs involved and lack of massive human resource plus a draconian government willing to push/break all boundaries.

best way will be to go for joint production so that u can get initial hands on experience on a weapon system of interest , study it over a period of time , identify the sectors/domain u r lacking or good in , send ur people abroad to acquire experience etc on these domains / or set up departments within the country to do the same , concurrently develop facilities to support R & D and other infrastructure for the project , once done formulate the design parameters , start working on the critical base technologies , once these r realized get ready to integrate the same and ur half way through to develop ur desired weapon system.

all in all reverse engineering is a difficult and expensive proposition in real life which needs way more resources and time, but if u have them be my guest.

nemesis4u:
reverse engineering is not that easy , infact it is very tough

why ?

eg. u want to reverse engineer a air drop dumb bomb of 500kg class

first u will need mastery over the explosive components and their functional parameters of the bomb to be reverse engineered , u will have to figure out the composition , then their performance characteristics , then realize test facilities to figure/test out the parameters , if successful u will need to develop tools and production methodologies to develop the same and then ensure QC through out the process.

2nd u will need to figure out the working of the fuze which involves micro electronics, high G resistant piezoelectric components etc , this will require state of the art test facilities like electronic foundry and top notch equipment's , after that u will need to test the fuzes over the entire operational regime to ensure its desired performance , this will involve firing of thousands and lakhs of shells to unsure compliance with standards.if successful u will need to develop tools and production methodologies to develop the same and then ensure QC through out the process.

then u will need to figure out the composition of the shell ie metallurgical aspect , u will need to replicate it successfully and test it to ensure desired parameters r met .if successful u will need to develop tools and production methodologies to develop the same and then ensure QC through out the process.

after the finished product comes out u will need to certify it for the weapons platform u r going to use on , this is a long process and involves lot of flights in different flight regimes in dedicated air range testing facilities. also u will need to develop the ejection pylons or certify existing ones

the domains involved for the simple task of reverse engineering a dump air dropped bomb r

1.chemical engineering
2.metallurgy
3.structural engineering
4.micro electronics engineering
5.mechanical engineering
6.electrical engineering
7.electronics engineering
8.software engineering
9.production engineering
10.QC engineering

etc
etc

and all the related trained man power together with infrastructure, R & D and test facilities

till date electronic/mechanical fuze for bombs r made by less than 10 or so countries , so u understand the enormity of the task of reverse engineering it inspite of me making it sound so easy.

chinese were able to reverse engineer becz they invested massive human resources and billions of dollars for the same , labor cost is cheap in china and they have single party rule and even then they took considerable time money and resource to accomplish it .

no other country can replicate what china did it is not possible becz of huge costs involved and lack of massive human resource plus a draconian government willing to push/break all boundaries.

best way will be to go for joint production so that u can get initial hands on experience on a weapon system of interest , study it over a period of time , identify the sectors/domain u r lacking or good in , send ur people abroad to acquire experience etc on these domains / or set up departments within the country to do the same , concurrently develop facilities to support R & D and other infrastructure for the project , once done formulate the design parameters , start working on the critical base technologies , once these r realized get ready to integrate the same and ur half way through to develop ur desired weapon system.

all in all reverse engineering is a difficult and expensive proposition in real life which needs way more resources and time, but if u have them be my guest.

tsdarkside:
as if they will allow that to happen...dont you still get it??...they dont want you to progress...its bad business for them...

i say only concentrate on building the military...am not saying to go to war...just to make them scared of messing around with you...

then the rest can follow...

EternalTruths:
When last has any Nigerian Scientist etc been rewarded with a billion naira for developing a military technology.?


I don't know what you studied in the university but one thing is certain, once there is a reward for innovations, scientists engineers technologists and craftsmen, do develop unbelievable things.


Just tell the citizens to bring their model for a Military Technological Show.

baralatie:
exactly what the Japanese general said likewise Napoleon against the British then came hitler and at the end nothing but absolute failure!
but take a look at what Japan did it now followed the plan of one its finest officers who was against war with China which was develop economically it worked like magic!same with Germany and when China reorientated itself economically whoola!
it is the same Nigeria pursues economic growth then you have a voice!

tsdarkside:
we are blacks..our situation is very different oooo...dont forget that fact...

baralatie:
that we are negros does not mean we should not be able to have economic success and capacity to build jumbo jets,high speed trains and computer software's like Microsoft

EternalTruths:
When last has any Nigerian Scientist etc been rewarded with a billion naira for developing a military technology.?


I don't know what you studied in the university but one thing is certain, once there is a reward for innovations, scientists engineers technologists and craftsmen, do develop unbelievable things.


Just tell the citizens to bring their model for a Military Technological Show.

tsdarkside:
you just dont understand the nature of whites....but history should have thought you a lesson by now....

the afro americans built their own wall street too,go read that story...what you are proposing is nothing new...their were many blacks that tried your way and failed....dont be fooled,whites didnt change...they are still the same.....