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femi4:
The first tithe (Gen. 14:19–20) And he blessed him and said, ... The priest attributes Abram's victory to God—possessor of heaven and earth—and he blesses Abram. In gratitude to God's authority and blessing, Abram gives Melchizedek a tenth of his possessions.

This was before Israel. The rules of tithes haven't been established by then.

XXLDICK:
I'm yet to see anyone that has tried to prove Mr Freeze wrong, all they do is attack him.

Is tithing right or wrong? If you think it is right, come up with Bible verses to support your claim. Daddy Freeze came up with Bible verses to prove it is wrong to tithe.

Daddy Freeze, continue with your good work.


#FreeTheSheeples

I support you bro.

XXLDICK:
This was before Israel. The rules of tithes haven't been established by then.

Amos 4:4-5

“Come to Bethel, and transgress; to Gilgal, and multiply transgression; bring your sacrifices every morning, your tithes every three days; offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving of that which is leavened, and proclaim freewill offerings, publish them; for so you love to do, O people of Israel!” declares the Lord God.

fynex:
Tithing is not by force it's by choice
Nobody has to tell you to give offerings or tithe
You decide to, and everyone that gives has a reason for wanting to continue....

For me I know what tithing has done for me and I will not stop tithing....or giving offerings....

Someone once called his pastor on the phone and called him a wicked man... Why?,...because the pastor didn't preach to him what giving is, according to him, he said since he started giving God has been blessing him....trust me no matter what anyone says won't change that man's mind...

When you give your tithes and offerings it's unto God....However the pastors choose to use it, if it's not according to God's Will, they would answer to that....

You can read Malachi 3:1-end.....

u can also read Deuteronomy 14:22-29 and acts 4:32-35

femi4:
Amos 4:4-5

“Come to Bethel, and transgress; to Gilgal, and multiply transgression; bring your sacrifices every morning, your tithes every three days; offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving of that which is leavened, and proclaim freewill offerings, publish them; for so you love to do, O people of Israel!” declares the Lord God.

I want to get your point

your view

1StopRudeness:
Freeze is wrong because new testament giving involves giving more than 10%...and pastors don't preach it because of baby Christian in church. Mark 11v42-44 Jesus commended the widow that gave all she had than others that gave more out of their many riches...
Acts 4v34-35 records new testament tithes and offering , how pple even sold their properties to the advancement of the gospel because they were not giving to obey the old law, they gave out of love. Chapter 5 records how a husband and wife were not truthful In their giving... Nd they died for it...
1st cor16v12 Paul gave instructions that they must continue to contribute every first day of the week. So that when the money is needed when he comes for it, there will be no need 4 emergency contributions.
These things are biblical, pastors don't even preach it cos it's hard for immature Christian to digest. But pple like u and daddy Freeze won't read d bible... U just get angry when u see cars and private. U start to feel is ur offering...
So it's all these 100&200 naira offering that buys jet.? .... U guys can't even do rough estimate mathematics......
I'm sure u don't hear the news... Last week the ghanian University commission and a representative from the federal government gave 500acres of land mass to winners chapel together with tax holiday that they should come build covenant University in Ghana. Later pple like u and freeze will say it's ur tithe and offering..... I've done the maths... Tithes and offering can't build schools or buy jets let alone maintain them.

in acts 4 that u quoted, what did they do with d things that they gave?

femi4:
Amos 4:4-5

“Come to Bethel, and transgress; to Gilgal, and multiply transgression; bring your sacrifices every morning, your tithes every three days; offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving of that which is leavened, and proclaim freewill offerings, publish them; for so you love to do, O people of Israel!” declares the Lord God.

So what are you trying to prove with this verse?

I don't get your point.

Student125:
You are talking about opinion or choice when people's brain have been programmed since infant that u must pay if you consider yourself a Christian. Now someone is trying to feed them with the truth whether they will remain deluded or free them selves and the deluded are attacking their helper. They've tried AL they could to defend tithing wit 'we are paying to move the ministry forward, later it was countered that that's not the purpose of tithe, now they are defending it with excuses ranging from they indulge in many charity program' to 'leave them to God for judgement.
Reason Nigeria will continue to remain backward. When last did the black nation come up with invention/ innovation that will benefit the whole world at large, it can never happen until we start asking questions, until we start using our brain.

Let's stop deceiving ourselves. We have all been programmed at one time or the other to spend our money on stuff we don't need. Making others richer while we are no better off. That's the power of advertising. Even with all the knowledge we have gained about healthy living, have people stopped smoking, drinking excessively, eating junk food, doing drugs? What about all the money we spend on getting the latest gadgets? PS2, PS3, PS4? IPhone 5, 6,7,8,X? Windows, Cars, Television, cable TV, each with a new "feature" that in truth is not so different from the next.

And who is getting richer while we feed our consumerism and need to be cool? We are all in this matrix together. Let no one think he is better than the next man. We all make our choices. For some, it's the Pastor. For others, it is corporate executives feeding on our fantasies to become billionaires. There's a thin line between both divides.

Lastly,religion doesn't stifle development or innovation. Go and ask them in Israel, UAE, heck US and UK. Germany is governed by a Christian party. Greed and corruption, that is what kills development.

JaneyLuna:
I want to get your point

your view

Tithing is good but Jesus emphasize more on giving. Tithing restrict you cos its under law but giving cheerfully is the best cos it gives you an opportunity to give more than 10%.

My take is that, irrespective of how the Pastor use the offerings drop every Sunday, it didn't discourage us from giving offering the next Sunday. Same goes for tithe, let those that are led to give continue to give

Is the guys defense of tithing supposed to cancel out his getting paid for the sin of posing in his underwear

XXLDICK:
So what are you trying to prove with this verse?

I don't get your point.

go back to your previous comment

dabossman:
Let's stop deceiving ourselves. We have all been programmed at one time or the other to spend our money on stuff we don't need. Making others richer while we are no better off. That's the power of advertising. Even with all the knowledge we have gained about healthy living, have people stopped smoking, drinking excessively, eating junk food, doing drugs? What about all the money we spend on getting the latest gadgets? PS2, PS3, PS4? IPhone 5, 6,7,8,X? Windows, Cars, Television, cable TV, each with a new "feature" that in truth is not so different from the next.

And who is getting richer while we feed our consumerism and need to be cool? We are all in this matrix together. Let no one think he is better than the next man. We all make our choices. For some, it's the Pastor. For others, it is corporate executives feeding on our fantasies to become billionaires. There's a thin line between both divides.

Lastly,religion doesn't stifle development or innovation. Go and ask them in Israel, UAE, heck US and UK. Germany is governed by a Christian party. Greed and corruption, that is what kills development.

I agree with you on the last paragraph a bit, religion on its own is not the problem if we understand to what purpose religion serves. All those u mentioned work, work, work and then pray that's y they are progressing but reverse is the case here. We believe so much that with miracle, all our problems will be solved.
On ur first paragraph, nobody need to preach or brainwash me to spend money on gadget. it s my choice which is different from what u instill in somebody when they are vulnerable at young age. They grow to believe in it. These people have no choice, they are programmed.

femi4:
go back to your previous comment

The first verse you qouted was before the existence of Israel and the rules of tithes.

The second one is after.

So I don't get the point

femi4:
Tithing is good but Jesus emphasize more on giving. Tithing restrict you cos its under law but giving cheerfully is the best cos it gives you an opportunity to give more than 10%.

My take is that, irrespective of how the Pastor use the offerings drop every Sunday, it didn't discourage us from giving offering the next Sunday. Same goes for tithe, let those that are led to give continue to give

ok,

yeah, that's a good contribution,

tithing to me isn't bad, but I believe one mustn't pay ones tithe in a church

you can pay it to an individual in need

could be used for charity works,
all that matters is, it is 1/10 if your income

and you are giving it out with a free heart

Student125:
I agree with you on the last paragraph a bit, religion on its own is not the problem if we understand to what purpose religion serves. All those u mentioned work, work, work and then pray that's y they are progressing but reverse is the case here. We believe so much that with miracle, all our problems will be solved.
On ur first paragraph, nobody need to preach or brainwash me to spend money on gadget. it s my choice which is different from what u instill in somebody when they are vulnerable at young age. They grow to believe in it. These people have no choice, they are programmed.

You see, that's the thing. You think you haven't been programmed, but you have from the day they bought you your first toy or you rode in Dad's car or you saw that Milo papapapa advert. Or the Mr. Biggs advert. You grew up with the notion that all these stuff will make you happy and comfortable. That they were essential to given you a certain status in society. Even when you couldn't afford it yet, you desired it. And the moment you started to make money you began to acquire the gadgets. You grew up to believe it. We all did.

Tell me you were not told as a child to study hard, get good grades and you would get a good job, be comfortable, get married and be happy? Does, it necessarily work out that easily?

Advertising and television are subtle forms of brainwashing. I should know.

lexy2014:
in acts 4 that u quoted, what did they do with d things that they gave?

Are u aware that the Bible records that Judas iscariot have long been stealing from the money bag he was on charge of among the twelve ..john 12v5-6.. Bible didn't record Jesus doing any work, yet they had a bag of money Judas was helping himself with ..... U think Jesus performed those miracles and people didn't show him gratitude by giving what they had including cash... Jesus' ministry was part to start the spiritual church.... But to the diciples and us we have the order to build and grow the physical church...
The apostles started the first church all Tru the world as far as they could.. Money is always needed for church growth.
But Just like Judas pretending to care about the poor in John 12 .... Daddy Freeze and the rest are just like him claiming the cash given to the church (oil poured on Jesus) should be given to the poor instead.....like Judas deep within them, they are just angry the cash isn't coming to them.

U know why I like the bible.. it's too complete..its just unfortunate pplw twist it to suit their talk. Including some pastors

JaneyLuna:
ok,

yeah, that's a good contribution,

tithing to me isn't bad, but I believe one mustn't pay ones tithe in a church

you can pay it to an individual in need

could be used for charity works,
all that matters is, it is 1/10 if your income

and you are giving it out with a free heart

True, you can give it to an individual or charity. It still doesn't guarantee proper use of your money though. The owner of the charity could be using such funds for personal gain without your knowledge. He could be building a mansion in the village or sending his kids to school's in the UK.

You give a beggar on the street some money. He could be using it for drugs. Or may even be building a house in his village while you are still a tenant. None of it is foolproof.

Everyone has a choice and they should be free to exercise it. That's my take on this whole tithing issue. Your money, your choice.

JaneyLuna:
ok,

yeah, that's a good contribution,

tithing to me isn't bad, but I believe one mustn't pay ones tithe in a church

you can pay it to an individual in need

could be used for charity works,
all that matters is, it is 1/10 if your income

and you are giving it out with a free heart

If you ve benefited from the Church when you had nothing, it will be difficult to stop you from giving back to the Church. There are needy everywhere

dabossman:
True, you can give it to an individual or charity. It still doesn't guarantee proper use of your money though. The owner of the charity could be using such funds for personal gain without your knowledge. He could be building a mansion in the village or sending his kids to school's in the UK.

You give a beggar on the street some money. He could be using it for drugs. Or may even be building a house in his village while you are still a tenant. None of it is foolproof.

Everyone has a choice and they should be free to exercise it. That's my take on this whole tithing issue. Your money, your choice.

yeah, That's true

these idiots will be praising fela up and down, that he spoke the truth about government corruption and oppression. Did they forget that he spoke about religious leaders oppressing the people by using the so called tithes to live a larger than life lifestyle. They sieve the message and accept what pleases them. The tithes is the payment by the sheeple for outsourcing their spiritual life to pastors. Sin galore monday to saturday, sunday praise and and worship, pay tithes and repeat the process forever. hardly do anyone care to develop their spiritual life by actually searching the scriptures and putting on the new personality as christians. You cant bribe God, it was tried by others, to obey is better than sacrifices and tithes.

[quote author=passyhansome post=62004641]Who does FREEZE thinks he is?. Does He know God?, How did he Know Him, is it from General Knowledge, Experiential Knowledge or Revelational Knowledge?. I feel for Ignorant Christains out there, that offers service to a God they have no Knowledge of WHOM HE IS see everywhere, people interpreting the scripture carnally, forgetting the scripture says[b] "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." in 2Cor 3:6.[/b] They claim to know the Bible but still attack men of God, No one is preaching against Immorality sin of the flesh which is one of the most deadly sin, but everyone is on tithing. On the last day according to word in [color=#990000] I Get Your Point About Immorality Sir, However The If One Claims To Have All 'Categories' Of Wisdom You Posted Above, It Will Be Self-evident That Tithing Is Not For Christians Today Though Alot Of Pastors Espouse This False Doctrine.

dabossman:
You see, that's the thing. You think you haven't been programmed, but you have from the day they bought you your first toy or you rode in Dad's car or you saw that Milo papapapa advert. Or the Mr. Biggs advert. You grew up with the notion that all these stuff will make you happy and comfortable. That they were essential to given you a certain status in society. Even when you couldn't afford it yet, you desired it. And the moment you started to make money you began to acquire the gadgets. You grew up to believe it. We all did.

Tell me you were not told as a child to study hard, get good grades and you would get a good job, be comfortable, get married and be happy? Does, it necessarily work out that easily?

Advertising and television are subtle forms of brainwashing. I should know.

If your point is we've all been programmed before, I think there is no argument about that yes we all have passed through a form of brainwash.
I have said that in one of my post in d past, but in the presence of glaring fact yet refuse to liberate the mind, then such fellow is worthy of any name being called.
Don't compare religion with gadget please, even when gadgets are advertised, you can decide to ignore if you feel they are not necessary. we buy them to satisfy our selfs but religion is to satisfy God so you have no choice when religiously brainwashed.

1StopRudeness:
Freeze is wrong because new testament giving involves giving more than 10%...and pastors don't preach it because of baby Christian in church. Mark 11v42-44 Jesus commended the widow that gave all she had than others that gave more out of their many riches...
Acts 4v34-35 records new testament tithes and offering , how pple even sold their properties to the advancement of the gospel because they were not giving to obey the old law, they gave out of love. Chapter 5 records how a husband and wife were not truthful In their giving... Nd they died for it...
1st cor16v12 Paul gave instructions that they must continue to contribute every first day of the week. So that when the money is needed when he comes for it, there will be no need 4 emergency contributions.
These things are biblical, pastors don't even preach it cos it's hard for immature Christian to digest. But pple like u and daddy Freeze won't read d bible... U just get angry when u see cars and private. U start to feel is ur offering...
So it's all these 100&200 naira offering that buys jet.? .... U guys can't even do rough estimate mathematics......
I'm sure u don't hear the news... Last week the ghanian University commission and a representative from the federal government gave 500acres of land mass to winners chapel together with tax holiday that they should come build covenant University in Ghana. Later pple like u and freeze will say it's ur tithe and offering..... I've done the maths... Tithes and offering can't build schools or buy jets let alone maintain them.

If you preach this one in the present over-woke and over-sabi naija, all hell will set loose. People go just they shook their mouth on what they don't understand. Christianity is a journey of Faith and people are meant to relate with God according to their level of faith, there are those who give 90% of their possessions, some 100% and they don't go hungry, rather, it's the opposite, but don't tell this to someone who is still struggling with 10%.

akinboyo:
This guy called Freeze or Freezer is an agent from the pit of HELL. He should channel his energy toward positive things and stop misleading the general public.

He is not misleading anyone. why do you always persecute your saviour and worship your tormentors? What Freeze said few weeks ago is what people like Pastorkun, Drummerboy/WinsomeX, Goshen360, Nobody, christemmbassey and thousand others have been saying on Nairaland for many years now.
If you pay tithe , you are a sinner and if you collect tithe, you are a THIEF. ask pastor Chris Ojibani.

akinboyo:
This guy called Freeze or Freezer is an agent from the pit of HELL. He should channel his energy toward positive things and stop misleading the general public.

tithes collection is the biggest FRAUD in human history.

mpowa:
If you preach this one in the present over-woke and over-sabi naija, all hell will set loose. People go just they shook their mouth on what they don't understand. Christianity is a journey of Faith and people are meant to relate with God according to their level of faith, there are those who give 90% of their possessions, some 100% and they don't go hungry, rather, it's the opposite, but don't tell this to someone who is still struggling with 10%.

Thank God you read where I said there are too many baby Christians in church hence the old and comvinient way of giving is used. All this daddy Freeze and co. Are just like Judas pretending to care about the poor but deep down they are just angry the money isn't coming to them

Daddy Freeze educated us on why we should not pay tithe to a sky daddy quoting relevant bible references to back up his claims.

unfortunately, most of his attackers can not quote or point to a single bible passage why we should pay tithe.

To be sincere...Freeze is right and we all know this......sentiment apart.

Student125:
If your point is we've all been programmed before, I think there is no argument about that yes we all have passed through a form of brainwash.
I have said that in one of my post in d past, but in the presence of glaring fact yet refuse to liberate the mind, then such fellow is worthy of any name being called.
Don't compare religion with gadget please, even when gadgets are advertised, you can decide to ignore if you feel they are not necessary. we buy them to satisfy our selfs but religion is to satisfy God so you have no choice when religiously brainwashed.

What are they supposed to liberate their minds from. Willingly giving their money to something, someone or a cause they believe in? Are the Pastors holding a gun to their heads? There are people who give their lives savings to animal rights groups and many other seemingly ridiculous causes. But they believe in it and that is fine, even if it seems stupid to the world. What makes anyone believe that their own opinion is superior on a subject matter like this? Isn't that highly presumptuous?

What are the glaring facts that you talk off? That the Pastor has bought a jet? If the member is happy to contribute his widow's mite to that fine. If he is not, trust me he will leave that church without Freeze's prompting.

You say religion is to satisfy God, but that is not entirely true. Religion is also about satisfying self. It's about people seeking some form of inner peace. For some it is the hope of a better life for themselves through service to a higher being. People have not seen God, yet they believe because they derive some satisfaction from their belief. And they have a right to that.

You say don't compare gadgets with religion, but the need for both comes from the same place. A need to feel good about oneself. Be it satisfaction from owning the latest technological toy or the thought of going to heaven.

In truth, irrespective of whatever "brainwashing", every adult makes a choice about their religion. They are not robots. They are conscious of their choices, whether good or bad. Even the suicide bomber makes a conscious choice.

We live in a world where people are told to respect gay rights, gender rights, animal rights etc. But it becomes hard to respect people's religious rights. People's rights to free association. Sometimes I get confused.


As long as giving tithes to your pastor doesn't hurt the next man. Live and let live.

christemmbassey:
He is not misleading anyone. why do you always persecute your saviour and worship your tormentors? What Freeze said few weeks ago is what people like Pastorkun, Drummerboy/WinsomeX, Goshen360, Nobody, christemmbassey and thousand others have been saying on Nairaland for many years now.
If you pay tithe , you are a sinner and if you collect tithe, you are a THIEF. ask pastor Chris Ojibani.

Thanks man of God

chccho:
Can u all just leave tithers alone to tithe freely. Is it your tithe?

What most of you don't understand is that if Freeze is left to his folly then he will start thinking and stop talking about freeing any sheeple

But I do think people are entitled to their opinion. Everyone has different views and ideology to things. Fighting over someone's comment is not necessary at all. Freeze said his own opinion let it end there. Why is everyone angry ni and blasting back