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XXLDICK:
I'm yet to see anyone that has tried to prove Mr Freeze wrong, all they do is attack him.

Is tithing right or wrong? If you think it is right, come up with Bible verses to support your claim. Daddy Freeze came up with Bible verses to prove it is wrong to tithe.

Daddy Freeze, continue with your good work.


#FreeTheSheeples

Ogbeni, there is no 'good work' he is doing that should be continued!
Of what benefit is this his controversial opinion to the society? None as far as I can see.

Not everybody pay tithe either because of their believe, their opinion or their pocket!
Since he has the energy and means, he could channel this to profitable engagement that others can benefit especially low income earners.
He is becoming a nuisance I beg, I for one, I am tire of his unprofitable ranting.

Eteriayaoba:
Ogbeni, there is no 'good work' he is doing that should be continued!
Of what benefit is this his controversial opinion to the society? None as far as I can see.

Not everybody pay tithe either because of their believe, their opinion or their pocket!
Since he has the energy and means, he could channel this to profitable engagement that others can benefit especially low income earners.
He is becoming a nuisance I beg, I for one, I am tire of his unprofitable ranting.

Seems you do not follow Daddy Freeze at all.
He has been preaching giving to the poor Just like Christ commanded, he has been against giving rich pastors money in the form of tithe because it's unbiblical.

He shouldn't air his opinion but pastors are free to air theirs, right

1StopRudeness:
Freeze is wrong because new testament giving involves giving more than 10%...and pastors don't preach it because of baby Christian in church. Mark 11v42-44 Jesus commended the widow that gave all she had than others that gave more out of their many riches...
Acts 4v34-35 records new testament tithes and offering , how pple even sold their properties to the advancement of the gospel because they were not giving to obey the old law, they gave out of love. Chapter 5 records how a husband and wife were not truthful In their giving... Nd they died for it...
1st cor16v12 Paul gave instructions that they must continue to contribute every first day of the week. So that when the money is needed when he comes for it, there will be no need 4 emergency contributions.
These things are biblical, pastors don't even preach it cos it's hard for immature Christian to digest. But pple like u and daddy Freeze won't read d bible... U just get angry when u see cars and private. U start to feel is ur offering...
So it's all these 100&200 naira offering that buys jet.? .... U guys can't even do rough estimate mathematics......
I'm sure u don't hear the news... Last week the ghanian University commission and a representative from the federal government gave 500acres of land mass to winners chapel together with tax holiday that they should come build covenant University in Ghana. Later pple like u and freeze will say it's ur tithe and offering..... I've done the maths... Tithes and offering can't build schools or buy jets let alone maintain them.

Mr man, cross check what you have written : the last verse in mark 11 is verse 33, where did you see 42 - 44?

adeniyisamuel59:
Mr man, cross check what you have written : the last verse in mark 11 is verse 33, where did you see 42 - 44?

Typo error sir :

na chapter 12 :

it's as a popular scripture naaa...

The only thing I have to say is that one day will be one day when we'll all know who's right or wrong.


What I'll say to us "tithers" is that if your spirit doesn't condemn your payment of the tithe,

FREEZE na small matter...

Judgement day is nearly upon us sha.......

Watching in 3D

dabossman:
What are they supposed to liberate their minds from. Willingly giving their money to something, someone or a cause they believe in? Are the Pastors holding a gun to their heads? There are people who give their lives savings to animal rights groups and many other seemingly ridiculous causes. But they believe in it and that is fine, even if it seems stupid to the world. What makes anyone believe that their own opinion is superior on a subject matter like this? Isn't that highly presumptuous?

What are the glaring facts that you talk off? That the Pastor has bought a jet? If the member is happy to contribute his widow's mite to that fine. If he is not, trust me he will leave that church without Freeze's prompting.

You say religion is to satisfy God, but that is not entirely true. Religion is also about satisfying self. It's about people seeking some form of inner peace. For some it is the hope of a better life for themselves through service to a higher being. People have not seen God, yet they believe because they derive some satisfaction from their belief. And they have a right to that.

You say don't compare gadgets with religion, but the need for both comes from the same place. A need to feel good about oneself. Be it satisfaction from owning the latest technological toy or the thought of going to heaven.

In truth, irrespective of whatever "brainwashing", every adult makes a choice about their religion. They are not robots. They are conscious of their choices, whether good or bad. Even the suicide bomber makes a conscious choice.

We live in a world where people are told to respect gay rights, gender rights, animal rights etc. But it becomes hard to respect people's religious rights. People's rights to free association. Sometimes I get confused.


As long as giving tithes to your pastor doesn't hurt the next man. Live and let live.

What u don't get is, if not for d brainwash they won't be paying. they have been exposed to d wrong info since infant and so it has become part of them. that's y I said they have no choice of their own. Now that what they hear contradict what they grew up to believe, they don't want to admit they've been fooled for long that's y their two line of defense(Malachi, and Abraham paying once war benefit) are weightless. The reason they attack the messenger instead of them to prove d message wrong.
Like I said, religion is indoctrination and can never be compared with gadget.
Sure, nobody will force anybody to pay or not but the facts are there for d intelligent to c.

spartan50:
Young man shut up.. And face your career we no dey talk beans here

Whats his career biko?

Student125:
What u don't get is, if not for d brainwash they won't be paying. they have been exposed to d wrong info since infant and so it has become part of them. that's y I said they have no choice of their own. Now that what they hear contradict what they grew up to believe, they don't want to admit they've been fooled for long that's y their two line of defense(Malachi, and Abraham paying once war benefit) are weightless. The reason they attack the messenger instead of them to prove d message wrong.
Like I said, religion is indoctrination and can never be compared with gadget.
Sure, nobody will force anybody to pay or not but the facts are there for d intelligent to c.

No mind them. Did Abel not make animal sacrifice to atone for sin, noah did it after the flood, abraham sacrificed animals, job was always doing it for all his children. Did all that animal sacrifice not predate the law covenant, why are pastors no asking us to continue with the animal sacrifice. The tithes for the levites and animal sacrifices are part of the old temple arrangement and has been replaced by the law the christ. The pastors are sticking with the one that lines their pocket.

Many of u have frozen brains. Get knowledge n decide if what he's saying is true or not.

Student125:
What u don't get is, if not for d brainwash they won't be paying. they have been exposed to d wrong info since infant and so it has become part of them. that's y I said they have no choice of their own. Now that what they hear contradict what they grew up to believe, they don't want to admit they've been fooled for long that's y their two line of defense(Malachi, and Abraham paying once war benefit) are weightless. The reason they attack the messenger instead of them to prove d message wrong.
Like I said, religion is indoctrination and can never be compared with gadget.
Sure, nobody will force anybody to pay or not but the facts are there for d intelligent to c.

So why do people still smoke even after all the messages about smokers being liable to die young, including my medical doctor friend? Why do people still drink excessively despite the dangers of liver cirrhosis? Why do folks still have unprotected sex despite the prevalence of STDs? Why do people eat unhealthy stuff despite the knowledge about obesity, cholesterol and what not?

Is it because they are not intelligent? No. It us because they have the ability to make a choice. That is what makes us higher animals. Or are the scientific facts not there for them to see?

Now, if you think not paying tithes will make you do better in an IQ test than someone who pays tithes, then I don't know what to say to you.

Oh wait, I do. NEWS FLASH! Not paying tithes doesn't make you more intelligent, richer or in anyway better than those who do. But you know what, if the illusion that not paying tithes makes you more intelligent let's you sleep better at night, then by all means be my guest. It's your CHOICE after all.

I'd like to wager that you swear by Darwin's theory of evolution even though you've never seen an ape change into a man before. I can also bet you believe it's more polite to give someone an object with your right hand instead of the left. Don't let me get started on the things you've been indoctrinated into from your childhood.

Funny thing? For someone who keeps mentioning the word "FACTS" in this discussion; you're the one who actually wrote this:

Student125:
Do u know there is a difference between fact and truth. A fact might not be true.

dabossman:
So why do people still smoke even after all the messages about smokers being liable to die young, including my medical doctor friend? Why do people still drink excessively despite the dangers of liver cirrhosis? Why do folks still have unprotected sex despite the prevalence of STDs? Why do people eat unhealthy stuff despite the knowledge about obesity, cholesterol and what not?

Is it because they are not intelligent? No. It us because they have the ability to make a choice. That is what makes us higher animals. Or are the scientific facts not there for them to see?

Now, if you think not paying tithes will make you do better in an IQ test than someone who pays tithes, then I don't know what to say to you.

Oh wait, I do. NEWS FLASH! Not paying tithes doesn't make you more intelligent, richer or in anyway better than those who do. But you know what, if the illusion that not paying tithes makes you more intelligent let's you sleep better at night, then by all means be my guest. It's your CHOICE after all.

I'd like to wager that you swear by Darwin's theory of evolution even though you've never seen an ape change into a man before. I can also bet you believe it's more polite to give someone an object with your right hand instead of the left. Don't let me get started on the things you've been indoctrinated into from your childhood.

Funny thing? For someone who keeps mentioning the word "FACTS" in this discussion; you're the one who actually wrote this:

This will be my last response to ur mention if you still can't get d point.
Religion was forced on many at young age when they are helpless, naive with a must to believe all the teachings. Religion has given them a box within which they can limit their thinking cuz if they go out of d box, Their heavenly father has threatened them with eternal fire.
People smoking, drinking, fornicating etc is a choice, they are doing that even when they know d consequences, nobody forced it on them as a way of life or have u heard there is a punishment for not doing it?
I keep repeating I never equate intelligence to non payment of tithe, there are lots of intelligent fellow who are too proud to accept they have been fooled for a long time. They know d real fact now but as u said, they made their choice to continue cuz of pride.
But SOME don't know these facts yet, they don't have access to them not until recently that someone decided to wake them up. These set never had Choice, they see paying as their birth right.
while some are just too dull to use their God given brain, these set wait for others to think for them.
Like I said, fact can be proven wrong, which is what u are expected to do with strong backup from the Bible, instead you attack the messenger.

evanzy4challeng:
Whats his career biko?

Me self no know... Lol

Student125:
This will be my last response to ur mention if you still can't get d point.
Religion was forced on a child with a must to believe all the teachings. Religion has given them a box within which they can limit their thinking cuz if they go out of d box, Their heavenly father has threatened them with eternal fire.
People smoking, drinking, fornicating etc is a choice, they are doing that even when they know d consequences, nobody forced it on them as a way of life or have u heard there is a punishment for not doing it?
I keep repeating I never equate intelligence to non payment of tithe, there are lots of intelligent fellow who are too proud to accept they have been fooled for a long time. They know d real fact now but as u said, they made their choice to continue cuz of pride.
But SOME don't know this facts yet, they don't have access to them not until recently that someone decided to wake them up. These set never had Choice, they see d paying as their birth right.
while some are just too dull to use their God given brain. these set wait for others to think for them.
Like I said, fact can be proven wrong, which is what u are expected to do with strong backup from the Bible, instead you attack the messenger.

This will also be my last reply to you. You are talking from a myopic viewpoint about a subject you don't understand or have chosen not to understand simply because of a bias. Who told you those paying tithes are not making a choice? As a child nobody ever taught me about tithing. I can't even remember anybody telling me about tithing. I only got to understand the concept as a teenager who had a higher level of understanding. I have two kids of my own right now, and I have never told them about tithing. To insinuate that freethinking adults who give their hard earned money out to a church or pastor are not making a conscious choice is the most preposterous thing I have ever heard. Are you now equating them to robots?

Okay, what about those who were not born Christians and only got converted in their adult life? Were they also programmed from childhood too? Not everybody discovered religion as a child. There are millions of people who only committed themselves to Islam, Christianity, Buddhism etc as adults. I have a British friend who practices a form of Judaism called Kaballah. He wasn't indoctrinated into that as a child. I also know Muslims who converted to Christianity as adults and who pay tithes. Were they indoctrinated as children too? These clear and factual examples make your point on indoctrination mute and untenable. Religion is not limited to Nigeria or Africa either. Neither is tithing. I would suggest you take a class in anthropology and psychology to understand how human beings work.

Lastly, and this has been my point all along, how is it anybody's business what people do with their money? Whether they were indoctrinated, brainwashed or whatever, as long as no criminal case can be established to show that there was any form of deception or unlawful coercion, how is it your business, or that of Freeze, or whoever. People need to learn to mind their business and stop trying to live other people's lives for them. Isn't it a free world anymore? Gosh! The nerve you folks have, saying that they are too proud to accept. How do you know you are not the one who is wrong? Stop thinking of yourself more highly than others. It is in bad taste. And even if they are proud, how does it affect you? Someone who drinks excessively has a greater chance of affecting our lives negatively (drunk driving, public nuisance), the one who smokes too (environmental pollution, 2nd-degree smoke leading to cancer), yet it is the man who quietly gives his money to something he believes in that is more disturbing to you? Come on!

Pray tell, how are you and the likes of Freeze different from the Pastor "indoctrinating" people with messages about tithe? Are you also not trying to indoctrinate your own beliefs on others forcefully with these needless arguments about stuff that doesn't really concern you? Isn't that what bigotry is? Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself. Do what you believe in, and let others do as they believe as long as no one is being hurt. EOD.

freecocoa:
I didn't want to call anyone names but all these people blasting the yeye freezer over his stance on tithes, are very stvpid, how can a grown a$$ man be dashing another money and say he's giving it to God? Mschew

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