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IGNORANT VOICES FROM HELL!

By Leke Beecroft

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18

If you are a believer and you are puzzled by the continuing attack against the Church, then you need to learn a few things. However if you are unfazed by it, then you probably have an understanding of the times. Let me make it categorically clear that the Church will NOT lose this battle. Ask Pharaoh... ask Sanballat and Tobias...ask Judas Iscariot...ask Saul (St Paul)...ask the adversaries of Martin Luther...ask those who mocked Seymour....ask those who called Idahosa 'Mushroom Pastor'...ask those who coined the proverb "as poor as a Church rat" ...ask Jim Obazee...and many others.

Please join me on this trip...We are obviously in the last days, a time so well spoken about in scriptures. A time for the Rising or Falling of many depending on whichever side of the divide you belong.

Jesus referring to this period prophesied:

"And because WICKEDNESS shall abound, the love of many will FREEZE (Wax Cold)

But he that shall ENDURE unto the END, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:12-13.

We are seeing these today before our very eyes. Where ignorant voices from hell want to hear everything evil happen to the Church and do not wish anything good for the Church. Truly, this desire can NOT be the Gospel. I went back in my thoughts over the years while verifying with facts where memory seemed to fail me and I have brought this list for all to ponder.

Let us look at the issues considered good for news and bad for news concerning the Church over the years.

The ones considered bad for news are hardly heard while the ones considered good for news almost always go viral.

1. For many years, Deeper Life Bible Church (DLBC) has been feeding the poor for free especially during her Retreats - Bad for news.

2. Deeper Life builds a #3 Billion Naira Church facility to cater for her teeming multitudes-(The Church comes under attack for not giving the money to the poor by people who probably have never cared for others) Good for news!

3. Redeemed Christian Church of God develops a forest into a sprawling city (Redemption Camp) at no cost to the government helping to decongest Lagos-(No one is interested) - Bad for news

4. Christ Embassy inspires and sponsors hundreds of youths talented in the music ministry-Bad for news.

5. Churches establish universities ensuring that many otherwise jobless academics are gainfully employed - Bad for news.

6. Covenant, JABU, BIU and Landmark Universities are among the 10 cheapest private universities - Bad for news.

7. David Oyedepo Foundation now gives about N500 million annually in her 24 year old scholarship scheme to indigent students-Bad for the news.

8. Covenant University in less than 20 years ranks amongst the top universities in Africa ahead of many much older Nigerian Universities-Bad for news.

9. Pastor Adeboye and wife build rehabilitation centre in Epe for youths overtaken by drug addiction - Bad for news.

10. Adeboye and Oyedepo clock 50 and 35 years in marriage respectively-Bad for the news.

11. Pastor Chris gets divorced - news goes viral.

12. Sinach, Eben, Frank Edwards, Buchi, Samsung, Joe Praize all inspired by Pastor Chris-Bad for the news.

13. Daystar equips 20,000 kids as they return to school-Bad for the news.

14. Bishop Oyedepo subsidises transport fare in hometown to #20-#50 per trip-Bad for the news.

15. RCCG builds 80km road connecting Ikorodu with Redemption Camp/Lagos-Ibadan Expressway-Bad for the news.

16. Oyedepo builds #100 million Townhall in Omu Aran-Bad for the news.

17. Ayo Oritsejafor gives cars, money, Keke, sewing machines, grinding machines to the poor-Bad for the news.

18. Oritsejafor receives jet gift-(He must sell and give the poor)-News goes viral.

19. Winner's Chapel in FACT does NOT own 4 jets-(This is not good for them)-Bad for the news.

20. Pastor Adeboye flies to Zambia, Botswana, CAR, Rwanda in private jet-(He should have flown Nigeria Airways (sic)-News goes viral.

21. Winners Chapel 's gift consignment largest ever received by Rwandan Government - Bad for news.

22. Winners Chapel Accesses Koma Hills with provisions - plants school, church- Bad for news.

23. Olukoya, MFM provides cars and cash for 1st class graduates in Unilag yearly - Bad for the news.

24. Prisoners testify of how Church missionaries led them to Christ, became better citizens-Bad for news.

25. Winners Chapel gives provisions, food, cash to Osun workers after being owed 8 months salary by State Government - Bad for news.

26. Christ Embassy feeds thousands of children daily in her Inner City Mission Scheme (who cares)-Bad for news.

27. Red Cross commends Oyedepo for largest consignment of welfare aid asides government since Nigerian Civil war (who cares)-Bad for news.

28. Landmark University operates largest scholarship scheme among Nigerian private universities--Bad for news.

29. Bishop Oyedepo sits in Church owned jet (Perhaps he should be standing)-News goes viral.

30. MFM invests heavily in football-(who cares)-Bad for news.

31. Living Faith Church under investigation in UK - News goes viral.

32. Living Faith Church commended for financial integrity by UK authorities after probe, named as a good example for other NGOs-Bad for news.

33. Nigerian Churches attract largest number of tourists to Nigeria - Bad for news.

34. Nigerian Churches infrastructural development among highest in Nigeria-(who cares ) -Bad for the news.

35. Nigerian Churches now the foremost player in education at all levels in Nigeria-Bad for news.

36. Covenant University generates her own electricity - Bad for news.

37. Faith Oyedepo 'paralysed'-News goes viral.

38. Faith Oyedepo totally healed -Bad for news.

39. Christ Embassy provides succour for tens if thousands in Haiti - Bad for news.

40. Sierra Leonean President thanks Winners Chapel for relief package to citizens - (who cares) - bad for news.

41. Oyedepo jets out to Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ghana (he should have driven a car or ridden a donkey like Jesus)-News goes viral.

42. Deeper Life spends #1.2 Billion on overhead bridge to stem traffic (who cares)-Bad for news.

The Church of Christ will never be able to please the Gates of Hell.

It's time to shake off the distraction.

Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the Word of God: whose Faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Hebrews 13:7.

For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with Faith in them that heard it.
Hebrews 4:2.

McBeal10:
pls I'd like you to enlighten me on why their university tuitions are so expensive?

Jobabori:
No 6 ?. How true?

eph12:
What were Annanias and Sapphira trying to do before they died?

Statsocial:
IGNORANT VOICES FROM HELL!

By Leke Beecroft

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18

If you are a believer and you are puzzled by the continuing attack against the Church, then you need to learn a few things. However if you are unfazed by it, then you probably have an understanding of the times. Let me make it categorically clear that the Church will NOT lose this battle. Ask Pharaoh... ask Sanballat and Tobias...ask Judas Iscariot...ask Saul (St Paul)...ask the adversaries of Martin Luther...ask those who mocked Seymour....ask those who called Idahosa 'Mushroom Pastor'...ask those who coined the proverb "as poor as a Church rat" ...ask Jim Obazee...and many others.

Please join me on this trip...We are obviously in the last days, a time so well spoken about in scriptures. A time for the Rising or Falling of many depending on whichever side of the divide you belong.

Jesus referring to this period prophesied:

"And because WICKEDNESS shall abound, the love of many will FREEZE (Wax Cold)

But he that shall ENDURE unto the END, the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:12-13.

We are seeing these today before our very eyes. Where ignorant voices from hell want to hear everything evil happen to the Church and do not wish anything good for the Church. Truly, this desire can NOT be the Gospel. I went back in my thoughts over the years while verifying with facts where memory seemed to fail me and I have brought this list for all to ponder.

Let us look at the issues considered good for news and bad for news concerning the Church over the years.

The ones considered bad for news are hardly heard while the ones considered good for news almost always go viral.

1. For many years, Deeper Life Bible Church (DLBC) has been feeding the poor for free especially during her Retreats - Bad for news.

2. Deeper Life builds a #3 Billion Naira Church facility to cater for her teeming multitudes-(The Church comes under attack for not giving the money to the poor by people who probably have never cared for others) Good for news!

3. Redeemed Christian Church of God develops a forest into a sprawling city (Redemption Camp) at no cost to the government helping to decongest Lagos-(No one is interested) - Bad for news

4. Christ Embassy inspires and sponsors hundreds of youths talented in the music ministry-Bad for news.

5. Churches establish universities ensuring that many otherwise jobless academics are gainfully employed - Bad for news.

6. Covenant, JABU, BIU and Landmark Universities are among the 10 cheapest private universities - Bad for news.

7. David Oyedepo Foundation now gives about N500 million annually in her 24 year old scholarship scheme to indigent students-Bad for the news.

8. Covenant University in less than 20 years ranks amongst the top universities in Africa ahead of many much older Nigerian Universities-Bad for news.

9. Pastor Adeboye and wife build rehabilitation centre in Epe for youths overtaken by drug addiction - Bad for news.

10. Adeboye and Oyedepo clock 50 and 35 years in marriage respectively-Bad for the news.

11. Pastor Chris gets divorced - news goes viral.

12. Sinach, Eben, Frank Edwards, Buchi, Samsung, Joe Praize all inspired by Pastor Chris-Bad for the news.

13. Daystar equips 20,000 kids as they return to school-Bad for the news.

14. Bishop Oyedepo subsidises transport fare in hometown to #20-#50 per trip-Bad for the news.

15. RCCG builds 80km road connecting Ikorodu with Redemption Camp/Lagos-Ibadan Expressway-Bad for the news.

16. Oyedepo builds #100 million Townhall in Omu Aran-Bad for the news.

17. Ayo Oritsejafor gives cars, money, Keke, sewing machines, grinding machines to the poor-Bad for the news.

18. Oritsejafor receives jet gift-(He must sell and give the poor)-News goes viral.

19. Winner's Chapel in FACT does NOT own 4 jets-(This is not good for them)-Bad for the news.

20. Pastor Adeboye flies to Zambia, Botswana, CAR, Rwanda in private jet-(He should have flown Nigeria Airways (sic)-News goes viral.

21. Winners Chapel 's gift consignment largest ever received by Rwandan Government - Bad for news.

22. Winners Chapel Accesses Koma Hills with provisions - plants school, church- Bad for news.

23. Olukoya, MFM provides cars and cash for 1st class graduates in Unilag yearly - Bad for the news.

24. Prisoners testify of how Church missionaries led them to Christ, became better citizens-Bad for news.

25. Winners Chapel gives provisions, food, cash to Osun workers after being owed 8 months salary by State Government - Bad for news.

26. Christ Embassy feeds thousands of children daily in her Inner City Mission Scheme (who cares)-Bad for news.

27. Red Cross commends Oyedepo for largest consignment of welfare aid asides government since Nigerian Civil war (who cares)-Bad for news.

28. Landmark University operates largest scholarship scheme among Nigerian private universities--Bad for news.

29. Bishop Oyedepo sits in Church owned jet (Perhaps he should be standing)-News goes viral.

30. MFM invests heavily in football-(who cares)-Bad for news.

31. Living Faith Church under investigation in UK - News goes viral.

32. Living Faith Church commended for financial integrity by UK authorities after probe, named as a good example for other NGOs-Bad for news.

33. Nigerian Churches attract largest number of tourists to Nigeria - Bad for news.

34. Nigerian Churches infrastructural development among highest in Nigeria-(who cares ) -Bad for the news.

35. Nigerian Churches now the foremost player in education at all levels in Nigeria-Bad for news.

36. Covenant University generates her own electricity - Bad for news.

37. Faith Oyedepo 'paralysed'-News goes viral.

38. Faith Oyedepo totally healed -Bad for news.

39. Christ Embassy provides succour for tens if thousands in Haiti - Bad for news.

40. Sierra Leonean President thanks Winners Chapel for relief package to citizens - (who cares) - bad for news.

41. Oyedepo jets out to Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ghana (he should have driven a car or ridden a donkey like Jesus)-News goes viral.

42. Deeper Life spends #1.2 Billion on overhead bridge to stem traffic (who cares)-Bad for news.

The Church of Christ will never be able to please the Gates of Hell.

It's time to shake off the distraction.

Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the Word of God: whose Faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Hebrews 13:7.

For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with Faith in them that heard it.
Hebrews 4:2.

Statsocial:
Church Universities are costly because it cost that much to run a proper University. They have to pay electricity bills of students and staff quarters. Mind you there are more people living in Covenant University than some local governments in West Africa and everyone of them consume electricity personally and in the academic area.

They are expensive because Lecturers and other workers must be paid salaries. Now understand as each lecturer in a university system grow in rank their salaries must also grow which means that the wage bill of each University must swell from time to time. Covenant now has over 95 professors some of which were employed as Lecturer 1. If you don't upgrade them as quick enough they would seek for employment elsewhere.

They are expensive because Lecturers must go for international and local academic conferences sponsored by the University each year. Each local conference support fund per lecturer per year exceeds N100,000 not to talk more of international

They are expensive because the University must pay $1000 for each journal of the University to maintain an Open access policy. Failure to do this would make a University rank low on webometrics and other ranking bodies.

They are expensive because they have to stock their libraries on a yearly basis. Covenant for instance adds 10,000 books to library per year in line with UNESCO standard.

They are expensive because as a University grows the Infrastructural need grows. And the University must continually upgrade, maintain and build structures.

They are expensive because they need to fund research work. Any meaningful research work would cost over $100,000 e.g Prof Misra Sanjay Intelligent system project of $600,000 sponsored by CU

They are expensive because they have to stock the laboratories with new equipment, regeants etc.

They are expensive because they need to spend on Consultancy services. Covenant spends 300 million naira/year on data analytics.

They are expensive because they must run an Hospital with doctors and Nurses that must be paid. Covenant Uni clinic has 12 doctors and about 30 Nurses with several other professional etc.

I could continue to give you reasons but this would suffice.

olabrad:
The title of this write-up should be The Pentecostal Church ...it is so blind and unreasonable, same for their points of view about orthodox churches.

McBeal10:
hmm thxs. but it's kind of sad knowing their some lower earners who attend these churches but can't afford to send their children to these church formed institutions. really sad.

oruma19:
sharap. Liars. It is not by force to pay tithe. Freeze is not against giving to God's work but u fake pastors and prophets put people under the constant fear of closed heaven and collected 10% by force. Paul says we should give cheerfully not under duress.2 corr 9:7. Pastor adeboye who I respect so much once told us that if we don't pay tithe we won't make heaven. Oh what a lie!. Tithing is wrong and a fraud. We are under the era of feeewil giving. We are christians and we want the word of God and salvation to spread, but not under lies.

obatoro:
Did you write all these because of TITHES? Haba! The Church is not under any attack. It is only the error of unscriptural tithing that is being pointed out. The OP seems to be the ignorant one here. People should sit down and read their bibles, it is written in plain and simple texts.

don4real18:
Decongest Lagos? I think it's best you look for another lame excuse

NtoAkwaIbom:
Folks like you are the reason these pastors scam people.
Go and read your bible...Ananias and Saphira were not paying tithes....the early Christians agreed to sell all they had and pool the money together to live in communion with each other.
So When Ananias and Saphira agreed to it and then reneged on it, the angel of God came in to keep them to what they swore.

And do your pastor share his wealth with you ? Does he share his house and car and food with you ? Then stop mentioning Ananias and Saphira because during that time, everybody in the church lived together, prayed together, ate together, and shared everything equally in communion.


Go and read your bible mbok

sarutobie:
That is the way of the world...they make it look like they are after tithing and all but in reality they are after the church and everything it represents,unfortunately gullible and naive baby Christians don’t know any better..they erroneously think that the world is looking out for their good..

Statsocial:
Keep quiet jor mention one place where the post refers to tithing

Statsocial:
I'm sure you know the article is particularly referring to tithing.

eph12:
Yes it was not tithe but it was a contribution. You can give it any name you like but people made such contributions then and no it wasn't in the old testament.

So you mean they didn't have their separate houses at all but live together? What Annanias and his wife sold was it their house? LOL

Yes they share their wealth. The things they share to the poor and needy didn't come from you.

cloud9usher:
Look here, no one is fighting the church, people are only asking valid questions, and its normal, as long as those heading churches are humans its only normal to keep a check on them, even the Bible said that in the last days there would be a lot of false prophets, so you feel no one should talk about the church or ask questions especially when its clear some have turned the work of God into a business?

This write up of yours is as a result of the tithe issue going on now.

I have some questions about this tithing issue:
-Tithing was a law under Moses law. Are we still under the law of Moses? Tithing was a Jewish Church custom, why do pastors of present only pick tithing and not practising the other numerous Jewish customs as well?

-Tithes were for the Levites, are pastors from the tribe of Levi as well? Are we not the Gentiles?

-Levites were not allowed to have land or property and hence tithes was suppose to be for their up keep, why do pastors of now own property and lands and private jets and still collect tithes?

-When Abraham paid tithe, he did it just once! The Israelites paid tithes once from a years harvest, and then after 3 years, so where in the Bible did our present pastors get it that tithes should be paid monthly?

-The apostles who founded churches across the world back then, why didn't ANY of them including Jesus collect tithes? Back then Jesus himself paid tax to the government when he sent for a coin to be collected from a fish to pay his tax, yet he never collected any tithe, our pastors don't pay tax, yet they collect tithes which Jesus and his disciples never did, why is this so?

-Why do our pastors find it so hard to back up their argument about tithing with biblical scriptures?

Jesus always preached about love and giving to the poor and even rebuked the Jews back then that tithing is a less important thing and they should concentrate on more important things like love.

To me, what I give out is usually higher than even 10% of tithe. So are you telling me that its better I gave out 10% for tithe and expect blessings and not help those I supported financially? A relative asked me for help so she can complete her school fees, a friend who is unemployed asked that I help him with some cash as he is broke, what I spent is even more than tithe. A very hard working lady close to my office who hawks water told me how she needed money to upgrade her services, I gave her some cash and promised to add more when I can. I was coming from work some nights ago and I met a woman whom I have never seen before, she stopped me and asked that I help her with some money so her and her kids can eat that night, I gave her most of the money on me and only remained the money I would need for transportation the next day. Similarly, while passing through a restaurant, a young man walked to me and asked that I buy food for him and his sister, I happily helped out, that is the love God was talking about.

There is no way you can be under any curse as erroneously said if you don't tithe, just make sure you help your fellow brothers/sisters, and do it in love and you would surely prosper! Most of the richest people in the world are not even practicing Christians let alone tithers. Now because of this free money of tithes, lots of fake pastors have come out as weeds to benefit from this.

As for me I prefer giving more than my 10% to my fellow people in need than paying tithe. Just work hard, love God, love your neighbour, give to those in need whenever the opportunity arises, and nothing would stop you from prospering in life, nothing has stopped me, your case can't be different either.

davodyguy:
Op, forget this long epistle.

Get it clearly. I am a christian and have been all my life from when I could cross the road and read and write.

No one is against giving or against the church. What people are against are the flamboyancy that is being blown around today, without true reflection about the lifestyle of Jesus Christ.

The is supposed to be a charity organization from inception and Levites are not supposed to work or establish Universities, operate airlines and sell books to make more money.

How did Paul, Peter and other apostles in the bible fund the missionary works and Journey? Did they do it through what we see now?

That's exactly what is bringing the 'attack' against the church.
The other day, some workers/ elders stole N11millioin from RCCG, cos they knew there was so much money available to the church, yet millions are hungry and have no place to rest their head at night.

Yes, the church is involved in charity works, but what's the % of the income that they use for charity?
Church should use minimum of 70% of income/giving for charity and the rest for the church workers.
If we do this, then you would not fi d pastors with private jets or flashy cars.

I am a tither and would continue to pay tithe, but some other things, I will not do


A certain billionaire Nigerian that's my client told me something last year, 2016.
He said we give to pastors, give to their families and to church, but how many Nigerians have received from their pastors ordinary gifts for birthday and wedding or burial. The man told me, the pastors would say, they'll support you in prayers for your events or occasions, but they will never give you tangible gifts or ordinary card.

Is is so true. I'm yet to receive birthday gift from any pastor, apart from text messages prayers or WhatsApp message.
Ask yourselves, are they exempted from the doctrine of giving? But they can give their wives N30m

NtoAkwaIbom:
HAVE YOU EVEE READ YOUR BIBLE BEFORE ? OR YOU JUST SWALLOW UP ALL THE JUNK YOUR PASTOR GIVES YOU ?

TIthe is 10% of what you have... Was it 10% that was demanded in Ananias case ? Or for them to sell everything ?

You dropped ur whatsapp number... I will use it as connection point to pray for God to open your eyes.... Your brain has been washed

NtoAkwaIbom:
Its so shameful that Jesus clearly stated in Matthew that tithing was the least of what we should be concerned of, but since it is the main stay of all this scaming pastors, they have to device all means to fight to sustain it, even though its evidently unbiblical.

In Numbers the Levites specially set aside to be the only ones to act as mediators between God and the isrealites, and their pay was the 10% which was given them, as God didnt give them any other form of inheritance.
From their tithe they(levite) were to pay 10% from all of it to the High priest.. And after 3yrs they were to give back some to the people to use it in bying whatever they needed.

Jesus however came in and bridged the gap, back then all supplication were to the high priest, who then offered burnt offerings to God. But Jesus came in and Sacrificed himself, so that through him, all men could connect directly to God...thereby doing away with the need of the levite.

In Romans, the word of God says that we are all called to the Royal Priesthood to be Priest and Kings.
Thus we all our priest, and the only 10% we need to give is to God directly.
Back then it was by burn offering... But When the rich man came to Jesus to ask how to make eternal life, Jesus told him to sell his riches and give to the poor.

And today, Jesus Christ does not demand for Just 10% of us, He demands that we give our body, and soul to God, and to him alone.

So all these noise about tithing is kind of silly, as it is alien to Christianity, as neither Jesus Christ nor his disciples demanded of them... It was for the Levites, and to them only.
So stop fighting or trying to win points for all these yahoo yahoo pastors, that have disgraced the church by Monetizing everything ....

Drops Mic

Statsocial:
Listen to me and listen to me very carefully! I spent nearly 20 years of my life in the Orthodox church. I have also spent some time in the Pentecostal church. There is absolutely no division between the Orthodox and Pentecostal. We are one body and one family rooted in Christ so carry ur division back to wherever you picked it from.

superhumanist:
You forgot to write:

"Proud to be a sheep that refuses to use brain"

don4real18:
Decongest Lagos? I think it's best you look for another lame excuse

oruma19:
of course its been about the tithe. Nothing else. If it was sanctification doctrine freeze spoke about nobody will come out to defend anything. Mammon worshippers are defending the tithes they should not ordinarily even talk about. Tithe is false doctrine. Believers should give but not under any compulsions to pay 10% in this era.

don4real18:
Decongest Lagos? I think it's best you look for another lame excuse