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dont be deceived by wht they say that tithing determine ur prosperity.

it was not recorded that Abraham, Solomon and david paid tithe yet they were Rich. offering is diif from tithe. they did more of offering.

as a matter of fact pagans and Muslims control our economy. and some pple are busy enriching their already rich pastors while they go poorer.

my pple perich for lack of knowledge.
that means u can be holy and lack knowledge.

SmartchoiceNGR:
Jesus Christ said you are in danger of hell fire as you are.... For your choice of first two words. Shalom.

and jesus Christ also said you are in danger of hell fire for threatening to cause a fellow man

2SWT:
I'm not one to start quoting Bible pages up and down for someone who's mind is already made up besides I believe you're an adult so you're free to decide if you want to pay or not afterall its your money.

seriously, you cannot find any Bible verse to defend tithing in the current dispensation, unless you want to twist it

Byko899:
and jesus Christ also said you are in danger of hell fire for threatening to cause a fellow man

I warned I didn't curse. And I have no power of mine to curse. I will cease further communication with you. You are not a Christian. Thanks for your understanding

betterABIAstate:
seriously, you cannot find any Bible verse to defend tithing in the current dispensation, unless you want to twist it

Exactly.

2SWT:
I'd answer your question but I just need you to answer this

What does the word"tithing " mean to you?

the tenth of ur blessings. and it is meant for
1 Numbers 18:24-26 KJV
But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord , I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

2Deuteronomy 14:28-29 KJV
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

so tell me, are modern pastor qualify to receive tithe

SmartchoiceNGR:
I warned I didn't curse. And I have no power of mine to curse. I will cease further communication with you. You are not a Christian. Thanks for your understanding

and Christ said you may not escape hell fire for judging me not a Christian

lonikit:
lolzzz. the only place Christ spoke mention it is in matt.23:23 which we have analyze based on our own knowledge of the word. Christ never preached or received tithe, same with the apostles.

this is wht James defined to be perfect religion
James 1:27 KJV
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Great

SmartchoiceNGR:
Unfortunately for you... I believe in tithing but not as it is currently practiced. The first Christians practiced free will sacrificial giving... Not tithing. The veil of your temple has been torn hence no need for the high priest anymore... Christ is the only high priest needed. Thus levites are no longer in existence... Because most claiming to be levites own enormous amounts of properties which negates the Bible. Remembering the story of the rich man whom Christ told to sell his riches..

My question to you is how do these new order levites acquire enormous amounts of property and still see the poor among the congregation who are struggling to pay tuition, rent, medical expenses and so on and so forth!

SmartchoiceNGR:
Read Deuteronomy 14:22 to the end.

Now you're talking about the poor in our midst, I don't know how its done in your church but in the church I grew up there's a scholarship scheme for orphans and some of the poorest

The church I attend now, many rich individuals(church pastor inclusive) take care of the needs of SOME of the poor (even though there's no order from the church for them to do so)

I've heard of people getting jobs from fellow church members. The church organise programs like "back to school" "shop for free" for the poor
What more?

lonikit:
my sis, it all depend on ur understanding of the post. I only clarified tithing based on wht somebody posted earlier today that Jesus supported it by doin the analysis of the portion he quoted.

the fact is dat Jesus never paid or preached it. he instructed his disciples when he was leaving the world that they shud go into the world and do two tinx: preach and baptize those that believe. tithing was nt there.

do u know wht zacchaeus said bfr he pronounced salvation upon him
check it out pls

dont be decieved, no pastor is qualify to receive tithe based on the law of levite. offering is highly acceptable based on the teaching of Christ and the apostles.

my pple perished for lack of knowledge not for the lack of Holiness.
it is time to preach against the selective teaching of the word

you people keep talking about the Levites

Who are the Levites?

Byko899:
it simply means giving to God the tenth of what he has blessed you with

did the Bible say it's compulsory to pay tithes?

2SWT:
you people keep talking about the Levites
Who are the Levites?

study the book of numbers and Deuteronomy, u will understand who are levites

betterABIAstate:
seriously, you cannot find any Bible verse to defend tithing in the current dispensation, unless you want to twist it

why would I want to twist the Bible?
I tithe simple!

2SWT:
why would I want to twist the Bible?
I tithe simple!

as a Christian, anytin you cannot trace to Christ or find in him is not advisable to do. he is the author and finisher of our faith which means, he is everything abt Christianity.

lonikit:
the tenth of ur blessings. and it is meant for
1 Numbers 18:24-26 KJV
But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord , I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

2Deuteronomy 14:28-29 KJV
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: [29] And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

so tell me, are modern pastor qualify to receive tithe

Does paying tithe stop you from helping the poor?
My church does its best to help the poor through the word of God, encouragement and financially

So what's left?

lonikit:
study the book of numbers and Deuteronomy, u will understand who are levites

I replied someone on this already

lonikit:
as a Christian, anytin you cannot trace to Christ or find in him is not advisable to do. he is the author and finisher of our faith which means, he is everything abt Christianity.

I understand that

2SWT:
Does paying tithe stop you from helping the poor?
My church does its best to help the poor through the word of God, encouragement and financially

So what's left?

u are just quoting wrongly. u are dodging question. it sims u are a pastor or wife of a pastor.

the question is that based on why God instituted tithe. are modern pastors qualify to receive tithe.

2SWT:
why would I want to twist the Bible?
I tithe simple!

then quote the Bible verse that supports giving tithe for prosperity to a man who's not a levite.

PS: Abraham case is not normative and was a lawless era

2SWT:
Does paying tithe stop you from helping the poor?
My church does its best to help the poor through the word of God, encouragement and financially

So what's left?

do u even knw its purpose

lonikit:
u are just quoting wrongly. u are dodging question. it sims u are a pastor or wife of a pastor.

the question is that based on why God instituted tithe. are modern pastors qualify to receive tithe.

please I'm not a pastor neither am I a pastors wife in fact I don't intend to be any.

2SWT:
please I'm not a pastor neither am I a pastors wife in fact I don't intend to be any.

then I tink u shud convince us from the perspective of Christ teaching. stop using ur own personal beliv. at least, if u go for evangelism, u will convince and convert the sinner using some scriptures. so as followers of christ, make us know wht Christ says abt it.

lonikit:
do u even knw its purpose

betterABIAstate:
then quote the Bible verse that supports giving tithe for prosperity to a man who's not a levite.

PS: Abraham case is not normative and was a lawless era

Tithing is meant for the poor in our midst fine!
When you start talking about wealthy pastors do you bother checking their backgrounds?
Some of them came from poor homes (does that put them in the levites class) and were sponsored by the church.
When you talk about the properties they acquire do you bother looking for the good/generous things they've done? Do you think about the scholarships they've given? Do you talk about the Junior pastors they pay?
Do you even think of how much some of then put into the church both financially, spiritually and physically before the church grew to that extent?

Must you assume every pastor depend on your tithes and offerings? Some of them have their own businesses that fetch them money.

BTW do you really think pastors don't deserve a good life like every other church member?
Are there not people in your church who are richer than your pastor? Do you talk about them the way you talk about pastors?

Now I'm officially done with this tithing issue on this thread

2SWT:
Tithing is meant for the poor in our midst fine!
When you start talking about wealthy pastors do you bother checking their backgrounds?
Some of them came from poor homes (does that put them in the levites class) and were sponsored by the church.
When you talk about the properties they acquire do you bother looking for the good/generous things they've done? Do you think about the scholarships they've given? Do you talk about the Junior pastors they pay?
Do you even think of how much some of then put into the church both financially, spiritually and physically before the church grew to that extent?

Must you assume every pastor depend on your tithes and offerings? Some of them have their own businesses that fetch them money.

BTW do you really think pastors don't deserve a good life like every other church member?
Are there not people in your church who are richer than your pastor? Do you talk about them the way you talk about pastors?

Now I'm officially done with this tithing issue on this thread

you are yet to quote the bible, are you not a Christian?

Back it with Bible verses

2SWT:
Tithing is meant for the poor in our midst fine!
When you start talking about wealthy pastors do you bother checking their backgrounds?
Some of them came from poor homes (does that put them in the levites class) and were sponsored by the church.
When you talk about the properties they acquire do you bother looking for the good/generous things they've done? Do you think about the scholarships they've given? Do you talk about the Junior pastors they pay?
Do you even think of how much some of then put into the church both financially, spiritually and physically before the church grew to that extent?

Must you assume every pastor depend on your tithes and offerings? Some of them have their own businesses that fetch them money.

BTW do you really think pastors don't deserve a good life like every other church member?
Are there not people in your church who are richer than your pastor? Do you talk about them the way you talk about pastors?

Now I'm officially done with this tithing issue on this thread

Quit sermonising us. We know what we are saying. Unless you have a bible passage that counters us then keep quiet forever

betterABIAstate:
you are yet to quote the bible, are you not a Christian?

Back it Bible verses

None supports the making of the gospel a business venture

lonikit:
I saw a thread early today titled "Jesus supported tithing"

I will like to analyse the portion quoted denotatively and connotatively.
Here are the only words of Christ abt tithe: Matthew 23:23 KJV
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Firstly, was he referring to Christians or the apostles? No, but the scribe, Pharisees and the hypocrites which I beliv we are not among.

Secondly, why did he cursed them? Bcus they left they weightier part of the law and concentrated on the lesser ones which tithe is among. (same situation is seen in modern Christianity where they read malachi 3:10 nearly every sunday rather than, James 1:27 that defined perfect and undefiled religion).

Thirdly, he told them what they ought to have concentrated on. In syntax, a term is called emphasis. It is used wen u really mean somtin and u achieve it by topicalizing the part u wants to emphasize. Jesus carefully spelt out wht he wanted the scribes to concentrate on which are: mercy, judgement and faith.

Another point here is that he encouraged them not to leave others undone. "Others" here means other parts of the law. There are 613 mosiac laws in which tithe was among. do they emphasize the remaining ones like they do to tithing??


Another point is that levites are entitled to tithe. see it here Numbers 18:24-26 KJV
But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the Lord , I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. [25] And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, [26] Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord , even a tenth part of the tithe.

i want to tell u that if u study the book of numbers and that of Deuteronomy to find out the qualification of a levite, u will knw that no pastor equates a levite.

Besides, tithe is not meant for levite alone according to its law. Tithe is to be brought every 3 years which is the year of tithing and is to be shared among 4 set of pple which are: strangers, widow, fatherless and levites. Has ur pastor preached this to u ??


Conclusively, we are followers of Christ which means we don't practice Judaism. Christ never preached paid or received tithe. Same thing with the apostles. They only encouraged offerings which are used to take care of those in need. I believe, Christ is the author and finisher of our faith and we all want to be like him.

understanding matters. Christ teaching is the foundation on wch Christianity was built. Wen u said Jesus was only referring to the scribe and pharisee, who where dey? Sinners? Publicans? They were the custodian of the word of God as at dat time. Dey were the teachers of the law. Jesus studied under these same ppl right from his childhood, dey were held in high esteem. Jesus only corrected wat dey were doing wrong as at dat time. Wch was neglecting of justice and mercy. Jesus talked to fishermen, tax collectors, soldiers, lawyers etc. R u also saying those his messages were only for those sets of ppl nd doesn't applies to believers today? Going by ur logic, wat was d reason Jesus gave dem d message? So dat dey would be more condemned or dat dey become fit for the kingdom of God?

victoronyekwelu:
you are not behaving matured cause you are changing the word of Your creator

He quotes bible to makes his points, if you want to debunk his claimed please do so from the ambit of the bible quotations and proof him wrong or forever remain silent.

2SWT:
Tithing is meant for the poor in our midst fine!
When you start talking about wealthy pastors do you bother checking their backgrounds?
Some of them came from poor homes (does that put them in the levites class) and were sponsored by the church.
When you talk about the properties they acquire do you bother looking for the good/generous things they've done? Do you think about the scholarships they've given? Do you talk about the Junior pastors they pay?
Do you even think of how much some of then put into the church both financially, spiritually and physically before the church grew to that extent?

Must you assume every pastor depend on your tithes and offerings? Some of them have their own businesses that fetch them money.

BTW do you really think pastors don't deserve a good life like every other church member?
Are there not people in your church who are richer than your pastor? Do you talk about them the way you talk about pastors?

Now I'm officially done with this tithing issue on this thread

now its clear to me that u dont understand this issue.

shalom

salvation101:
understanding matters. Christ teaching is the foundation on wch Christianity was built. Wen u said Jesus was only referring to the scribe and pharisee, who where dey? Sinners? Publicans? They were the custodian of the word of God as at dat time. Dey were the teachers of the law. Jesus studied under these same ppl right from his childhood, dey were held in high esteem. Jesus only corrected wat dey were doing wrong as at dat time. Wch was neglecting of justice and mercy. Jesus talked to fishermen, tax collectors, soldiers, lawyers etc. R u also saying those his messages were only for those sets of ppl nd doesn't applies to believers today? Going by ur logic, wat was d reason Jesus gave dem d message? So dat dey would be more condemned or dat dey become fit for the kingdom of God?

why didnt Christ or the apostles pay or receive it?
are the apostles not follower of Christ

salvation101:
understanding matters. Christ teaching is the foundation on wch Christianity was built. Wen u said Jesus was only referring to the scribe and pharisee, who where dey? Sinners? Publicans? They were the custodian of the word of God as at dat time. Dey were the teachers of the law. Jesus studied under these same ppl right from his childhood, dey were held in high esteem. Jesus only corrected wat dey were doing wrong as at dat time. Wch was neglecting of justice and mercy. Jesus talked to fishermen, tax collectors, soldiers, lawyers etc. R u also saying those his messages were only for those sets of ppl nd doesn't applies to believers today? Going by ur logic, wat was d reason Jesus gave dem d message? So dat dey would be more condemned or dat dey become fit for the kingdom of God?

I suggest u study ur bible to knw why it was instituted in the old testament and why Christ and the apostle never preached, pay or received it.

salvation101:
understanding matters. Christ teaching is the foundation on wch Christianity was built. Wen u said Jesus was only referring to the scribe and pharisee, who where dey? Sinners? Publicans? They were the custodian of the word of God as at dat time. Dey were the teachers of the law. Jesus studied under these same ppl right from his childhood, dey were held in high esteem. Jesus only corrected wat dey were doing wrong as at dat time. Wch was neglecting of justice and mercy. Jesus talked to fishermen, tax collectors, soldiers, lawyers etc. R u also saying those his messages were only for those sets of ppl nd doesn't applies to believers today? Going by ur logic, wat was d reason Jesus gave dem d message? So dat dey would be more condemned or dat dey become fit for the kingdom of God?

Why it is that comprehension has become difficult this days,it is because of the difficult economic situation?
Do mean to said the scribes,the Pharisees, and co that Jesus Christ was referring to is you and me?

The tithe of a thing that has become the topic of discussion this days was not recommended for us,it was for the children of Israel, are you from is real?
_did you eat manna in the wilderness?
_did you cross the red sea?
_were you a slave in Egypt?
Let's face the facts,I will be back with more questions for you to proof to you that tithes is not for us.