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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by TheKingIsHere: 9:14pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Ezigbonmadu:Oh, so Eko is no longer a Yoruba word. ![]() You are not only a liar, you are also dense.
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by cyrilamx(m): 9:14pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Yet Bini art because of it worth became the symbol of festac in Nigeria. Why didn't organisers see the so called Ife art? YourNemesis: |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by ProWalker: 9:15pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Leez:Go and take swimming instructions from your koboko wielding abookii instructor ![]()
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Ezigbonmadu: 9:17pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
TheKingIsHere:You don't even understand analogy. How old are you? Please give the phone to your daddy instead. |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by baby124: 9:17pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
laudate:Lol!!! Something is wrong with that guy. Ojuelegba is Edo? Abeg no let me piss for pant. Ojuelegba is former shrine dedicated to Elegba/Esu... Igbobi (kolanut farm); Akiolu( we greet/welcome the overlord/king); Oyekan(title/greatness is his); Ogba(compound) and so on... |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by ProWalker: 9:17pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Leez:A Olympic mud swimmer ![]()
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Gotze1: 9:17pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
TheKingIsHere:You are bringing history, yet shooting yourself in the leg. You said oba send his solders with is son to the aworis and the aworis received him. In your akpu brain, those awori are igbo or angolan abi, or they are stone. The ado did not meet them their ba? |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by BakireBulmaker: 9:19pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Looonatic flatiyeasterners are still on this matter ![]() Mastturbating on a non issue that doesn't change their slavish status in Lagos ![]() Are these flatiyeasterners mad ![]() |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by TheKingIsHere: 9:23pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Ezigbonmadu:What analogy did you give? Here is your analogy: Eko is not a bini word. Neither is it a Yoruba word. Yet you can see that the binis called Lagos "Eko" but refuse to accept fact. You are just a pained nobody. Go cry me a river.
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:23pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
baby124:Hey, you are meant to discuss and not attack or insult ![]() We are discussing history here remember? If you do not know the holders of the Lisa title in Ikorodu came from Bini originally, then you need to go home and learn your history. I did not author the below quote, a Yoruba man did. Do you care to discuss the history? I want to know more about Edo linkages across precolonial Yoruba history. Soon after, some large contingent of Benin migrants came by land through Iki in Ogun state (where almost the whole land belongs to the Olisa family of Ikorodu) to the area now known as Ikorodu. |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by isalegan2: 9:24pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
macof:And the Akinsemoyin line seem to have been phased out of the ascendancy. |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by baby124: 9:26pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
PabloAfricanus:Keep posting stupid articles. Read this 10times and see how your stupid article contradicts itself. How can Lasunwon come from Sagamu but is also from the Olisaship. Olisa ko, rolisa ni. Lmao. Prior to the advent of the Benin people, Oga was the head of the establishment. He and Lasunwon lived in a hamlec called Agbele at the presence site of NITEL. Agbele was also called Egure and so Oga became the Elegure of Egure. Lasunwon was Odofin of Shagamu. But when the Binis came and Oga died. |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by laudate: 9:28pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
baby124:Thank you for the translation, o! See, a few of these Bini chiefs writing these articles, end up inserting some aspects of folklore into their works, and if you are not very observant, you would not be able to distinguish fact from fiction. Part of it has been influenced by impressions of grandeur of the old Benin royal court and its' empire. Nobody is disputing the fact that kings were sent from Benin to rule Lagos island. But this was done for the sake of commerce. Those kings did not own lands or property in Lagos at the onset, and they were not there to colonise the people but to give the Bini access to the sea!Here is one account that captures this aspect: The seat and opa ase of Oba of Lagos is from Oba of Benin. From the Asipa, the first Oba of Lagos (1600) to Oba Dosunmu(1885) and the 11 obas in between, they were installed by Oba of Benin, and they went frequently to Benin to pay tribute. The original people of Lagos are the Aworis. Since the kings were not natives, they do not own any land; only the chiefs (Idejo) who were natives own lands. The Oba's household were maintained through taxing the people.This view is also supported by a number of scholars. The Benin royal court did not set out to colonise the Yoruba-Awori people, or take over their lands, because they just wanted access to the sea in order to trade. ![]() |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by TheKingIsHere: 9:29pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Gotze1:Funny thing is that the oba of Lagos who is an awori man has pledge his alliance to the Benin Kingdom. So why is a man like you from osogbo so pained? History is there for all to see
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Gotze1: 9:29pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
TheKingIsHere:Mr mumu, Fulani only has emir in ilorin, which is populated by Yoruba, all other town and cities are controlled by Yorubas up to the political aspect. But you as a bini spokesman, abeg, mention any part of the acclaimed bini land that the Yoruba chased them from to there confined bini that has any bini man controlling or can ever have. I repeat, even a mad man will laugh at people who are not up to 5million shouting as the owner of the land of the people thatt are more than 50nillion. Guy, stop your stupidity Jor. I just can't stop lauding.
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Leez(m): 9:30pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
ProWalker:says d ewedudeen ![]()
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Leez(m): 9:31pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Gotze1:but why is there a fulani ruler in afonja land?? ![]() suffersticated slaves |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by ProWalker: 9:33pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Leez:Mumu, that is all from you. Since your messiah has ran away like Ojukwu, you can start kissing my own feet as your new lord and savior ![]() Igbos alway run ![]()
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Leez(m): 9:33pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
BakireBulmaker:Fixed |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Leez(m): 9:34pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
ProWalker:
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Born2Breed(f): 9:35pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
FisifunKododada:Remind me again, those who point to their Fathers house with the left hand is referred to as what? |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by ProWalker: 9:36pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
[quote author=Leez post=62533391][/quote]Come here, let me use you to wipe the floor since your messiah and personal lord and savior has ran away like a goat ![]()
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by ib0221: 9:37pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
One thing I know that is not disputable is the fact that the royalty in Benin is Yoruba or partly and if the throne in Lagos is of Benin then it is still Yoruba. What the last Oba of Benin( because he started the revisionism narrative ) could not deny was that his fathers were from Yoruba whether returning or not. it is all about Oranmiyan family seniority tussle. |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by baby124: 9:37pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
laudate:The so called Lisa he is shouting about are Chiefs, which is a title given to market heads. His article is totally false. I will post the true story here. He is a big time liar. What I know for sure is that no Benin ancestor is an Oba in Ikorodu. |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by PVision2020(m): 9:40pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
baby124:You dey mind the mofos. All the 51 kings and hundreds of baales of Lagos are Yoruba/ Egun. I never see Amy Bini man claiming Omo onile for Lagos. Even Oba of Bini no get a feet of land in Lagos. You don't argue reality. |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:40pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
laudate:Contradictory? ![]() How? I know the author did missed a lot in his Bini attributions and I clearly stated it when I quoted him. Did you miss that part? I quoted that article to bring in an Edo narrative since everyone here seems to be from the all Yoruba or nothing camp. How did you know the meaning of core Yoruba names like these Akiolu, Oyekan, Tinubu, Opebi, Okouromun, Esan, Akiode, Ojuelegba, Onigbongbo, Igbobi, Ikeja, Ogba, Ipodo When you needed this?? Thank you for the translation, o! shocked Unfortunately, my grasp of Yoruba language is minimal, so I wasn't sure about how to proceed with the translations.So much for your minimal grasp of Yoruba language? Swear you did not know Ojuelegba means the Eye of Elegba? Can you bite an iron bar and swear to Ogun? Are you sure you are not Yoruba, you this pathetic cheerleader?? ![]() Cmon let the cat out of the bag, history is good to discuss we know. Atleast you can stop hiding and playing the chameleon. Come outta the shadows and play in the sunlight cheerleader, can you do that? ![]() |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by baby124: 9:41pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Association of 'Korodu Descendants, Inc.,The Obaship is strictly Yoruba. Rademo and Lasunwon are descendants of the children of Akarigbo. The Olisa or Lisa family are a king making family. But they are settlers, they did were not founders of Ikorodu and therefore cannot be Oba's. Like I said, it's a title. http://www.akdusa.org/home.aspx |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by ib0221: 9:43pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Leez:Go and finnd out about Ilorin, my man. I don't think the present emir will confortably call himself fulani. |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by TheKingIsHere: 9:43pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Gotze1:The Fulani people that are not up to 5million as you claim yet are the one who become emir of Ilorin, the strongest ruler in kwara state. Are you not the mumu here? You should be ashamed of yourself. Accept my pity
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| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Leez(m): 9:47pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
ib0221:fulani slaves afonjas are ![]() |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by PabloAfricanus(m): 9:47pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
baby124:Either you are ignorant or you are pretending to be ignorant. Fact 1, I did not author those articles Fact 2, I never mentioned nor tried to prove a Lisa is an Oba in Ikorodu. You did, then changed tunes when ur ignorance was exposed. Fact 3, you have shifted from there is nothing like Lisa in Ikorodu to it's just a title to they are Olojos or whatever when the facts hit you. Fact 4, you are not that conversant with the history you are discussing. Fact 5, you need to go home and learn more about the history you claim to be yours. PS: I am only trying to add more to the discuss by bringing the Edo narrative. It's good to hear what their sons, historians or intellectuals think about this topic. We can not take the narratives and conclude only from the Yoruba perspective can we? That you are being all defensive and insulting tells me you have no grasp of the history. ![]() |
| Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by Leez(m): 9:49pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
ProWalker:NL Rule 23 respect ur igbo masters ![]() |
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Ask any of the Yoruba people on this thread, to translate each word for you. There is nothing Edo about them!
Yet, you just cut and pasted it, as if it was the gospel truth! It is like the word 'Ike' in Igbo. Ike can mean either bottom or strength, depending on the intonation that you give to it. Meanwhile, Ike in Yoruba means 'plastic.' Now, did the Igbo borrow this word from the Yoruba, or does it mean that Igbo is an offshoot of Yoruba language? Or did the Yoruba colonise the Igbo, and adulterate the Igbo language? 