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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by realpoacher(m): 4:27pm On Nov 23, 2017
Joebie:
Everyone or most of us understand that formula.. And no one said we lost points from either of those games. However, the tool is out there on Fifa's website, and anyone can use it. e no be like exam when dem say make person no use calculator. So before you calculate and confuse yourself, let's go back to the main point again. You stand by your word abi? Okay, so when will Nigeria be 25th in the World like you earlier said?
We can definitely bookmark your post again..



Bros on this one you win. You are very correct, no contest ,we can see the rankings in black and white. I am not the one to argue blindly especially when results are on ground.

But my new premise is this, You don't drop points or have points deducted for playing draw either with teams far above or below you.

You only lose points when the fourth year dead weight rankings get removed from your calculations, that's why it looks as if points get deducted from you, it doesn't.

The error in my postulation was because I didn't factor in our fourth year rankings which stretched far back to 2013 in my earlier calculations.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nelszx: 4:45pm On Nov 23, 2017
neighy:
for this I want germany in the final..
Please dont even try begging me
We have to teach Mr Low a lesson
#StraightFace

Seconded
We must teach this Loëw a lesson
We must beat them blue-black cheesy grin angry

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lexyman(m): 4:46pm On Nov 23, 2017
neighy:
for this I want germany in the final..
Please dont even try begging me
We have to teach Mr Low a lesson
#StraightFace


this German coach rating will shift other managers attention away from us , thank God fifa added their own to it , which make it look like double tragedy ... but its a blessibng in disguise, cos the team is not ready yet and we re far from it , until we have a solid defence and prolific strikers upfront .... as it stands , going to world cup with this present crop of players , its still second round as usual. Morocco had the best defence and conceded the least no. of goals in the world cup qualifiers .... this is an opportunity to seat tight and put things in place , if we must do well .

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 4:47pm On Nov 23, 2017
nelszx:


Seconded
We must teach this Loëw a lesson
We must beat them blue-black cheesy grin angry

I am Nigerian but i also think Morocco is probably the best equipped at the moment...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nelszx: 4:52pm On Nov 23, 2017
tbaba1234:


I am Nigerian but i also think Morocco is probably the best equipped at the moment...

Cos of their defence and conceding no goals?
I will even rate Tunisia higher than Maroc

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:00pm On Nov 23, 2017
junnyjake:




Thank you!

It's never 1 + 1 = 2. A lot of other parameters are in play.

We tried explaining to the young man, but he was all high on the excitement of the win. Him bubble go don burst by now.

Had we qualified for those 2 AFCON editions we missed, we'd have had the opportunity to build on our position as 36th (not too sure)

Thank you. We didn't even make the last 2 editions of the AFCON. The rankings are done over a 4 year period not just 2017.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 5:02pm On Nov 23, 2017
happy birthday thegoodjoe

may this day forward bring forth greater happiness
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:09pm On Nov 23, 2017
realpoacher:


I repeat and stand by my earlier position. From my calculations deducted from FIFA website, the Algerian and Argentina matches added points to us. Algeria's result was in positive not negative. The reason why we dropped was from the weight of our four year rankings. Our fourth year in particular in this regards. Fifa score you 1 match point for a draw times 2.5 for the competition weight, I wonder where you guys keep bringing the -Ives from in draw matches when in actual sense the -ive we experienced is from our fourth
year dead rankings multiplied by 0.2

Here you go again.

It is not simple straight arithmetic calculation.

We lost over 70points from that Algeria draw. The Argentina win redeemed us a bit. Maybe na 60th position we for find ourselves.

When you draw or lose to a team that is less than you in ranking. It will negate your points. The further the team is behind you the more the deduction. Algeria were about 20 places behind us. You draw with such a team and you get a massive deduction. It was a case of 3 steps backwards and 1 step forwards for us.
Or more precisely 70 points deduction and 20 points addition.

The Algeria game carried 2.5 points while the Argentina game carried only 1 point.

cc: Bascovanveli
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:15pm On Nov 23, 2017
kingphilip:
happy birthday thegoodjoe

may this day forward bring forth greater happiness

May God bless you. Thank you.

Thank you very much, God bless you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:17pm On Nov 23, 2017
Loogan:


Happy birthday man, many more years.
One of the things I admire about you is how you go to great lengths to defend our players even in thier bad times, that's shows deep loyalty. I also like your positivity but word of advice try not to go through long arguments or get emotional on peoples opinions, you have to know no matter how right you think you are Nigerians are egoistic and would not always agree with your points because they feel they are as right as you do. Make your point and don't be upset when you are tagged defender of iheanacho, you have a right to your opinion.
When the players you believe in MAKES IT you get to rub it in thier doubters faces. Peace.

Thank you. Your advice means a lot. God bless you.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:18pm On Nov 23, 2017
bishop88:

Happy birthday thegoodjoe. May the good lord enlarge your coast..more wisdom and increase..

Thank you. May God bless and lift you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 5:19pm On Nov 23, 2017
So I was just thinking last night how a country like Poland (and to some extent Portugal) played and manipulated the FIFA ranking game to find themselves in the pot 1. This something we could discuss here and make some recommendations to the NFF regarding the 2022 World Cup. I mean, Poland has shown that you can game the system and that's not cheating .... it's called gaining a competitive edge grin

Anyway, let's put on our thinking caps on and come up with ways we can make FIFA ranking work for the Super Eagles going forward.

Mickael2, Junnyjake, Kog45, MetalJigsaw, elyte89, Icon4s, Mujtahida, tbaba1234, Joebie, goodjoe, Taliban, forgiveness, komekn, ChrisKels, Chrismario, kennysville, kingphilip, soetanoreoluwa, safarigirl, chrisooblog, optional1, Napoleon55, realpoacher, jotey, sontoly, Daejoyoung, nelszx, etc.


O pari
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:21pm On Nov 23, 2017
Napoleon55:
i think say thegoodjoe be Yoruba man .
happy birthday to u thegoodjoe,n many more years to come.
is there going to b fish?

If you need fish, contact Icon4s aka Oga Boss. He runs the fish industry in the Niger Delta region. Thank you and God bless you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:22pm On Nov 23, 2017
ykalhaji:
Happy Born day to the one the only TheGoodJoe. Wishing you prosperity, joy, success, long life and good health. More pimping to your swagger. Please catch some fun today on our behalf.

Thank you and God bless you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:25pm On Nov 23, 2017
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PDPGuy: 5:36pm On Nov 23, 2017
tbaba1234:
In other news, my wife and i gave birth to a beautiful baby girl yesterday evening. (About Midnight 9ja time) Mum and baby are good. Alhamdulillah.

Congrats man!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 5:36pm On Nov 23, 2017
tbaba1234:
In other news, my wife and i gave birth to a beautiful baby girl yesterday evening. (About Midnight 9ja time) Mum and baby are good. Alhamdulillah.
Congrats sir.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kingphilip(m): 5:37pm On Nov 23, 2017
tbaba1234:
In other news, my wife and i gave birth to a beautiful baby girl yesterday evening. (About Midnight 9ja time) Mum and baby are good. Alhamdulillah.
congratulations to your family sir

may she and the whole family have cause to celebrate successes much more than y'all have ever imagined
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 5:38pm On Nov 23, 2017
Icon79:
So I was just thinking last night how a country like Poland (and to some extent Portugal) played and manipulated the FIFA ranking game to find themselves in the pot 1. This something we could discuss here and make some recommendations to the NFF regarding the 2022 World Cup. I mean, Poland has shown that you can game the system and that's not cheating .... it's called gaining a competitive edge grin

Anyway, let's put on our thinking caps on and come up with ways we can make FIFA ranking work for the Super Eagles going forward.

Mickael2, Junnyjake, Kog45, MetalJigsaw, elyte89, Icon4s, Mujtahida, tbaba1234, Joebie, goodjoe, Taliban, forgiveness, komekn, ChrisKels, Chrismario, kennysville, kingphilip, soetanoreoluwa, safarigirl, chrisooblog, optional1, Napoleon55, realpoacher, jotey, sontoly, Daejoyoung, nelszx, etc.


O pari
I think Mickael2 or goldfish80 once posted a link to an article on how Wales beat the ranking

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by PDPGuy: 5:38pm On Nov 23, 2017
Happy birthday to Thegoodjoe! Wishing you all the best in life.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by bigblangston: 5:38pm On Nov 23, 2017
Happy birthday to the only good one here, TheGoodJoe. I wish you long life garnished with preponderance of prosperity.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enomakos(m): 5:39pm On Nov 23, 2017
goldfish80:


There is no need to adjust my earlier post. This information about our infamous 4-1 victory over Argentina being fixed have been in the public domain for years.
The truth is that proving a game is fixed is difficult, However, a study of betting patterns could actually indicate a game is fixed.
Here's a report from the UK telegraph about the game :

[b] In the same year, Fifa said it was trying to speak to a Niger referee who officiated in a match between Nigeria and Argentina. Nigeria won 4-1, after unusual betting patterns indicated it had been targeted by match-fixers. Nigeria was leading the game 4-0 until Ibrahim Chaibou awarded Argentina a penalty for handball in the eighth minute of injury time.
This was despite the fourth official having indicated just five minutes of extra time were due. Television replays showed the ball had hit a Nigerian player’s shin.
While the score was 4-0, a huge amount of money in the Asian gambling markets had been bet on a fifth goal being scored.
“There had been some crazy moves on the in-running market early in the game,” said Matthew Benham of SmartOdds, an online betting firm.
“With 86 minutes played, the odds for over 4.50 (a fifth goal to be scored) were absolutely insane. The market was effectively saying it was odds against that there would be no more goals.
“It is hard to get an exact figure for how much would have been bet to force that kind of swing, but we are certainly talking hundreds of thousands, possibly more than £1 million.[/b]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10918404/Football-match-fixing-Referees-guilty-of-fixing-final-scores-in-high-stakes-games.html

As a matter of fact, the Nigerien ref who officiated that match have been suspected of being involved in match fixing in the past. He once awarded 3 controversial penalties in a game...

Mr Chaibou has been involved in controversial games before. He was in charge of a match in Sept when Bahrain beat a fake Togo team 3-0, which is also being investigated for potential match-fixing. The game was organised by Raj Perumal.
In 2010, he awarded three controversial penalties as South Africa beat Guatemala 5-0 in a World Cup warm-up.


I like calling a spade a spade. If it looks like monkey, jumps like monkey, it's definitely a monkey.
Football is not a clean sports after all. If proper investigation should be carried out, the Gabonese ref who awarded the penalty To Algeria must have been compromised by Asian betting cartels.

Remember our friendly game against Scotland? Where Austin Ejide deliberately parried the ball into his net? That's another pointer to match fixing....
the replay is still on youtube

Recall Sam Sodje's testimony on BBC on how betting syndicates compromise African players? Even in world cup games....

As much as we want to gloat that we beat Argentina in the said game, I'm afraid my conscience won't permit me to celebrate such a dirty looking victory.

cc enomakos
i do agree some matches are fixed but not that game bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enomakos(m): 5:41pm On Nov 23, 2017
Joebie:
Actually 39 caps

ok I though it was not up to 30
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:41pm On Nov 23, 2017
Icon79:
So I was just thinking last night how a country like Poland (and to some extent Portugal) played and manipulated the FIFA ranking game to find themselves in the pot 1. This something we could discuss here and make some recommendations to the NFF regarding the 2022 World Cup. I mean, Poland has shown that you can game the system and that's not cheating .... it's called gaining a competitive edge grin

Anyway, let's put on our thinking caps on and come up with ways we can make FIFA ranking work for the Super Eagles going forward.

Mickael2, Junnyjake, Kog45, MetalJigsaw, elyte89, Icon4s, Mujtahida, tbaba1234, Joebie, goodjoe, Taliban, forgiveness, komekn, ChrisKels, Chrismario, kennysville, kingphilip, soetanoreoluwa, safarigirl, chrisooblog, optional1, Napoleon55, realpoacher, jotey, sontoly, Daejoyoung, nelszx, etc.


O pari

You and I know that if we face Poland in a competitive game it is not likely they defeat us. In fact it is either we beat them or the game ends in a draw.

What a team like Poland benefitted from is playing against teams that are highly ranked.

Get a couple of victories in the WC qualifiers in Europe and you see your points jump. Besides, games involving UEFA and South American teams in WC qualifiers carry more weight than those of Africa and Asia.

Two major setbacks for African teams are:
1. Our results don't carry as much weight as those of Europe and S/America.

2. Most African teams have poor rankings. So if you like beat Cameroon 4-0 and Zambia 6-0. You just make little progress. And worse still if you lose or draw with any of those poorly ranked African teams u see your points come crashing.

By and large I think the major opportunity we have towards having good seeding for the 2022 WC is to perform very well in the 2018 WC.
The WC results carry the heaviest weights of 4points!

If we can beat at least 2 of any of those teams ranked in Pot1 it would really be a good booster for us. And if we can follow it up with winning our remaining 2019 AFCON qualifiers and also winning the 2019 AFCON. We also need to follow it up with at least an excellent showing at the 2021 AFCON.

2022 WC draws would be made around December 2021. It means results of 2018 WC down to late 2021 would be part of the factors in the ranking points (FIFA uses results from the last 4years).

To be realistic, that Pot1 would be difficult for any African team. Even from my analysis above we may just be in pot2.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 5:46pm On Nov 23, 2017
kingphilip:
congratulations to your family sir

may she and the whole family have cause to celebrate successes much more than y'all have ever imagined

Thank you sir..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:47pm On Nov 23, 2017
Congratulations to tbaba1234 and his family.
Olorun a wo o!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:47pm On Nov 23, 2017
Congratulations to tbaba1234 and his family.
Olorun a wo o!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jotey(m): 5:47pm On Nov 23, 2017
congrats tbaba1234
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enomakos(m): 5:50pm On Nov 23, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


There is growth when competing against those ahead of you. No guarantee Shehu Abdullahi will play regularly for Everton but what is sure is that he will improve training with Liverpool more than Everton. In turn becoming a better and more important player.
happy birthday bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by nelszx: 5:51pm On Nov 23, 2017
Icon4s:


Thank you. We didn't even make the last 2 editions of the AFCON. The rankings are done over a 4 year period not just 2017.
If we are to use the ranking of the last 4 years then Poland shouldn't be in the top 10 neither should Wales be among the top 20s.
True over the past 2 years the only matches we lost was away to Egypt and a home defeat to SA not like we were on a free fall. I still don't get why our draw to Algeria would mean we'd fall down the ranking.
Cameroon ranked above us drew to a Zambian teams that are 30 spaces below them but were not on a free fall.
Fifa shouldn't use an accumulated year to rank but the year in review. From September 2016 till date Nigeria has 5 wins 4 draws and a defeat in the 10 games played.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by enomakos(m): 5:51pm On Nov 23, 2017
tbaba1234:


Thank you sir..
congrats bro
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by terzurum5(m): 5:53pm On Nov 23, 2017
Kakamorufu:
I saw these designs on twitter. Wish we can get Nike to make these.
We do not have to beg Nike to use these designs.
Let's let the various clubsides in our localities know that we have creative minds who can design sports kits for their Clubs.

Most Clubsides don't care what their sponsors bring on the table.

I am surprised that even the so called old and popular clubsides have kits that look way less than what they should pay for both in beauty and quality of the design.

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