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nelszx:
Victor Moses and Jnr Ajayi makes the 10 man cut
#APOTY

Icon4s:
Hmm happy for Junior Ajayi.

I didn't like the way Siasia dropped him from the Olympics team.

TheGoodJoe:
We might be reading his motive wrongly. The coach might also be interested in improving Onyekuru to the best of his knowledge and there are things he wants Onyekuru to cut before he gives him the nine role.

Maybe he sees a bright future in Onyekuru and wants to play a part in Onyekuru's development.

Keep in mind, Sir Alex Ferguson cut out lots of dribbling from CR7 and made him a more direct player. This in turn helped CR7 develop into one of the World's greatest players.

Let us give the coach time.

Icon79:
As long as he's putting the other players under the same ringer and not just picking on Henry. Judge him by his fellow players and not by the almighty.

Like I stated, during my time, I could score 2 goals but if we lose our coach would ask me why I didn't score 3. To hear him talk about my game, you'd think that it's me versus the other team. And I am seeing a semblance of the same attitude from Henry Onyekuru's coach, based on some of these stories we're reading.


O pari

TheGoodJoe:
Please in later years, from Rijkaard, Wenger, Ferguson, etc, how many of them had their full backs drifting into midfield to play as defensive midfielders during games?

I debated this years ago and people were arguing. It was not a normal occurrence. I even went as far as highlighting Belletti a d Owen Hargreaves having the ability to play such roles. I believe others could do it.

It is now we are seeing such movement.

We were not talking of the free 8's and false full backs until Guardiola.

Guardiola is studying the old, recreating their styles and creating inventions of the modern game. That does not make him the inventor of the total football but does not make him less of an inventor.

Do you think it is not invention moving the team to a point where all the players including the central forward to the Keeper play as midfielders. It is invention.

Let me give you a tip you will not find easily online, if you will find at all.

The back pass to the keeper and the keeper picking it up was a normal thing in the past. Arrigo Sacchi made it an art of retaining possession and used it to reck teams.

Later the back pass to keeper where the keeper could pick it up with his hands was cancelled. It diminished the power of the back passes to keeper to keep possession.

Guardiola has now made it an art for a goalkeeper to use his legs regularly and be part of the play. He used his creativity to bring back the invention of Arrigo Sacchi. Making the keeper an essential ingredient of the possession-heavy style of play.

That does not mean I am writing off the impact of Arrigo Sacchi or Arrigo Sacchi's work make Guardiola less of a genius.

EEGA:
We really need a Left footed player as a back-up for Echiejile, if not as a replacement.

Taking Aina or Idowu to WC with the intention of playing them as LB's will limit our progress in the WC.

But we can try Ebuehi since Toyin said he can play comfortably as a left-back, the same way he did against Argentina.If he(Ebuehi) fails to impress as a LB, we should get J.Torunarigha.If not ,our LB will become our weak link since Aina is not that good as a LB and Idowu does not defend and join or link up with the attack like Ebuehi does.He only edges Aina in terms of positioning as seen against Argentina.

But, can he defend and link up with the attack,No No No.

Modified:Aina is more attack minded which resulted to the second goal we conceded, while Idowu focuses mainly on defending which puts us at a disadvantage because the best way to defend has always been to attack.

Mujtahida:
You are talking about the 'Libero epitomised by players like the great Franz Beckenbauer and Sammer '. They were once in vogue. Please read the excerpts below. But before then let me ask you a question on the bolded. Do you mean it is now that football is seeing such a 'movement' generally or we(moderns) are seeing it?

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THE LIBERO: FOOTBALL’S FORGOTTEN MAN
It was a majestic sight. Go back 30 or 40 years and watch teams defend. The majority of them will feature a type of player that seems to have been lost from the modern game. You’ll see an elegant defender sitting behind the defensive line, picking up a stray through balls from an attacker. As he effortlessly brings it under his control, he marches forward with it, stepping past the other defenders and moving into the midfield zone. From there he acts as a modern-day deep-lying playmaker, initiating the play and spreading it out to the flanks, or playing it forward into midfield or attack. This is the Libero.

That passage could have been about any number of great players; the late Gaetano Scirea, Velibor Vasović, Ruud Krol, Matthias Sammer or the archetypal libero, Franz Beckenbauer.


Well, depends on how you define the word invention. To me invention means to bring into existence something that never existed before much like our well known scientific inventors did and still do. Defenders playing deep into the midfield is no invention of our time. It's called the Libero. On goalkeepers - the article on goal.com details the history. Some goalkeepers in South America were ball players and I trust you remember Rene Higuita of Columbia and Chilavert of Paraguay (Google 'Will the goalkeeper die out under Guardiola?)

Thanks for enlightening me on Sacchi. I read about his revolution in the late 80's and 90's with the Milan team of Gullit, Van Basten and Rijkaard but not this snippet you just dropped.
Do you remember that throwing was also done using legs? I remember watching players do it with legs. I think even in Japan 93 it was used.

Mujtahida:
You are talking about the 'Libero epitomised by players like the great Franz Beckenbauer and Sammer '. They were once in vogue. Please read the excerpts below. But before then let me ask you a question on the bolded. Do you mean it is now that football is seeing such a 'movement' generally or we(moderns) are seeing it?

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THE LIBERO: FOOTBALL’S FORGOTTEN MAN
It was a majestic sight. Go back 30 or 40 years and watch teams defend. The majority of them will feature a type of player that seems to have been lost from the modern game. You’ll see an elegant defender sitting behind the defensive line, picking up a stray through balls from an attacker. As he effortlessly brings it under his control, he marches forward with it, stepping past the other defenders and moving into the midfield zone. From there he acts as a modern-day deep-lying playmaker, initiating the play and spreading it out to the flanks, or playing it forward into midfield or attack. This is the Libero.

That passage could have been about any number of great players; the late Gaetano Scirea, Velibor Vasović, Ruud Krol, Matthias Sammer or the archetypal libero, Franz Beckenbauer.


Well, depends on how you define the word invention. To me invention means to bring into existence something that never existed before much like our well known scientific inventors did and still do. Defenders playing deep into the midfield is no invention of our time. It's called the Libero. On goalkeepers - the article on goal.com details the history. Some goalkeepers in South America were ball players and I trust you remember Rene Higuita of Columbia and Chilavert of Paraguay (Google 'Will the goalkeeper die out under Guardiola?)

Thanks for enlightening me on Sacchi. I read about his revolution in the late 80's and 90's with the Milan team of Gullit, Van Basten and Rijkaard but not this snippet you just dropped.
Do you remember that throwing was also done using legs? I remember watching players do it with legs. I think even in Japan 93 it was used.

COOL10:
. I don't think u'r totally right. With what I saw against Argentina,Idowu is very attack minded. Watch the goals highlights and you'll see that if Iwobi hadn't scored that second goal,Idowu would have tapped it in easily. Look at the goal Idowu scored,he was so fast that it was as if he knew Iheanacho was gonna lose the ball then he put it in the far right. No matter what happens I just wish Aina,Idowu,Shehu and Ebuehi all make it.

TheGoodJoe:
I already said it clearly that the coach said he TRIED Onyekuru. That to me does not equate to a run. If you disagree, make your point. You are taking me on circles.

Mujtahida:
You are talking about the 'Libero epitomised by players like the great Franz Beckenbauer and Sammer '. They were once in vogue. Please read the excerpts below. But before then let me ask you a question on the bolded. Do you mean it is now that football is seeing such a 'movement' generally or we(moderns) are seeing it?

---

THE LIBERO: FOOTBALL’S FORGOTTEN MAN
It was a majestic sight. Go back 30 or 40 years and watch teams defend. The majority of them will feature a type of player that seems to have been lost from the modern game. You’ll see an elegant defender sitting behind the defensive line, picking up a stray through balls from an attacker. As he effortlessly brings it under his control, he marches forward with it, stepping past the other defenders and moving into the midfield zone. From there he acts as a modern-day deep-lying playmaker, initiating the play and spreading it out to the flanks, or playing it forward into midfield or attack. This is the Libero.

That passage could have been about any number of great players; the late Gaetano Scirea, Velibor Vasović, Ruud Krol, Matthias Sammer or the archetypal libero, Franz Beckenbauer.


Well, depends on how you define the word invention. To me invention means to bring into existence something that never existed before much like our well known scientific inventors did and still do. Defenders playing deep into the midfield is no invention of our time. It's called the Libero. On goalkeepers - the article on goal.com details the history. Some goalkeepers in South America were ball players and I trust you remember Rene Higuita of Columbia and Chilavert of Paraguay (Google 'Will the goalkeeper die out under Guardiola?)

Thanks for enlightening me on Sacchi. I read about his revolution in the late 80's and 90's with the Milan team of Gullit, Van Basten and Rijkaard but not this snippet you just dropped.
Do you remember that throwing was also done using legs? I remember watching players do it with legs. I think even in Japan 93 it was used.

forgiveness:
So, TRIED equate to NOT STARTING in a match, ba?

EEGA:
We really need a Left footed player as a back-up for Echiejile, if not as a replacement.

Taking Aina or Idowu to WC with the intention of playing them as LB's will limit our progress in the WC.

But we can try Ebuehi since Toyin said he can play comfortably as a left-back, the same way he did against Argentina.If he(Ebuehi) fails to impress as a LB, we should get J.Torunarigha.If not ,our LB will become our weak link since Aina is not that good as a LB and Idowu does not defend and join or link up with the attack like Ebuehi does.He only edges Aina in terms of positioning as seen against Argentina.

But, can he defend and link up with the attack,No No No.

Modified:Aina is more attack minded which resulted to the second goal we conceded, while Idowu focuses mainly on defending which puts us at a disadvantage because the best way to defend has always been to attack.

TheGoodJoe:
Not Libero.

Libero is more of like a defensive midfielder sitting behind the defence and have the free roll to move the ball forward to help build attacks.

What I am talking about is different. This is perfectly exemplified by Danillo. When you watch Danillo lately play the left back role, he is more of like a Libero but unlike the Libero that sits between the defenders, Danillo plays this from the side, drifts into midfield and plays as a defensive midfielder.

When these happens, Kyle Walker also joins the midfield, while Fernandinho takes a sweeper role which is a modification of the Libero role.

Look at the image. The role of the 22, Clichy and 3, Sagna, termed inverted full backs, some call it the false defensive midfielders.

TheGoodJoe:
A lot of teams have nullified Messi with compact play. I think his impact would have made it more difficult for us but still overrated. A compact system is hard to deal with. Even with Ronaldinho and Messi playing against it. See how difficult Huddersfield was for City yesterday.

elyte89:
WC I doubt,d 4 players can't all make it to d world cup,I feel we re only "sympathetic " abt dem bin a foreign born player, and To remind u,if we're to go by d new rohrs formation in 3-5-2, we av a moses and shehu as d two full backs already and a standing "experienced" echiejile at d left back position except if we want rohr to make his team 60percent of full backs,WC will affect oda department

Mujtahida:
It's just a tweaking of the idea behind the Libero in that what the Libero used to do through the heart of the defence to the midfield has been adopted for fullbacks. Abi no be so?

COOL10:
. I don't think u'r totally right. With what I saw against Argentina,Idowu is very attack minded. Watch the goals highlights and you'll see that if Iwobi hadn't scored that second goal,Idowu would have tapped it in easily. Look at the goal Idowu scored,he was so fast that it was as if he knew Iheanacho was gonna lose the ball then he put it in the far right. No matter what happens I just wish Aina,Idowu,Shehu and Ebuehi all make it.

BascoVanVeli:
He went to the olympics if I'm not mistaken

BascoVanVeli:
He went to the olympics if I'm not mistaken

edi287:
He's using the "tough love" approach on Onyekuru. It could work or it could damage his confidence.

Certitude:
could this b our WC group?

Mujtahida:
I'm also not convinced about Idowu although I'd read before his debut that he likes to join the attack. Note that our left flank was mute that day. Nothing for him to link up with unlike on the right where Ebuehi was linking up with Ndidi,Mikel and Iheanacho.
And I noticed that crosses came flying in through Ebuehi's wing on the right but none through the left. In fact the commentator said Pavon was quiet in the second half.

goldfish80:
Sometimes, in life you need someone who loved you enough to tell you the truth.
At Eupen, Henry was probably allowed to run amock and do what pleases him, provided he scored or created something for the drowning team.

At a higher level, that is not acceptable. You are expected to defend, maintain the team shape, create chances and score. The coach obviously see some serious talent in Henry and he's trying to make him grow up.
Hazard became world class when he adapted his game. I suspect the coach wants him to model his game around Hazards.

Theo Walcott's game deteorated when he believed he was better off as a striker. Today, he's neither a striker nor a winger. Henry must be careful.

I drop my pen in the fountain of love.

TheGoodJoe:

I agree to the similarities in behavior to that of your coach you highlighted about. I now understand your reaction. It is frightening but let us give the coach time.

I suspect he is replying questions he was asked.

Icon4s:
Abeg you guys should stop posting all these mock draws jare.
Let's wait till the real draws.
Tomorrow now there would be claims of manipulations.

Certitude:
Easy...na game wey I play ..just having fun before the draw...