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Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by efighter: 9:42pm On Dec 09, 2017
Earthquake1:
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Trash you think anybody can convince Igbos to vote for Buhari after all the marginalisation of the last two years, keep dreaming.


Goatluck Jonascam that did not marginalize you, what did you gain from his government. Ordinary 2nd Niger Bridge, he only showed you on the drawing board. Your roads are the worst in the country after serving PDP for 16 years. Your brethren are being executed daily in India, Malaysia, e.t.c. because PDP frustrated them to crime.

Your vote is your power and you can use it anyhow. As for me and my household, we stand with Buhari.

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Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by Jones4190(m): 9:46pm On Dec 09, 2017
The Devil is still very much interested in the affairs of PDP as a founding stakeholder o!!!

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Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by Nobody: 9:57pm On Dec 09, 2017
DoTheNeedful:


What do you know? In the last election that many hate-filled people like you deride SW for, Jonathan still had like 45% of the entire vote and alos won Ekiti. You don't know politics at all.
deride ke?
me was just amused by SW ewedu politics grin
but still i thought pdp was ipob party na?
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by Nobody: 10:01pm On Dec 09, 2017
Stingman:

the name including...chameleon...
So you Yorubas can join PDP_igs? cool cool cool
Tell me something...Talk about eating your vomit!

Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by DoTheNeedful: 10:01pm On Dec 09, 2017
leezzz:

deride ke?
me was just amused by SW ewedu politics grin
but still i thought pdp was ipob party na?

There is no permanent friend or enemy in politics. That is where some of you get it wrong. Don't be surprised if the SW get more from the PDP that you lot shouting PDP up and down. People need to be politically flexible. You all made PDP appear like an ipob party because of your hatred for Buhari and APC.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 10:03pm On Dec 09, 2017
Earthquake1:
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Trash you think anybody can convince Igbos to vote for Buhari after all the marginalisation of the last two years, keep dreaming.

Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by Nobody: 10:11pm On Dec 09, 2017
DoTheNeedful:


There is no permanent friend or enemy in politics. That is where some of you get it wrong. Don't be surprised if the SW get more from the PDP that you lot shouting PDP up and down. People need to be politically flexible. You all made PDP appear like an ipob party because of your hatred for Buhari and APC.
still SE/SS is a no for buhari
even middle belt don turn dia back
na just SW dy follow buhari o
APC and hate filled propaganda are to blame
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by Kbs468(m): 10:15pm On Dec 09, 2017
IbadanInsider:


Hours before voting gets underway at the convention of the Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, the leaders of the party in the South-West have forged a common front with the adoption of Professor Tunde Adeniran as the consensus candidate for the zone.

The decision to present Adeniran, who is a former Ambassador to Germany, was taken at a meeting of the leaders from the zone convened by a former governor of Oyo State, Senator Rashidi Ladoja and held till the early hours of Saturday in Abuja.

A communiqué issued at the end of the meeting and signed by Ladoja said: “From consultations with stakeholders from various zones, we gathered that from all zones, the stakeholders who prefer to back the South-West zone for the position suggested that we should prune down the number, if possible, to one person.


“To reciprocate this laudable gestures, meetings of the seven (7) aspirants were held with Senator Rashidi Adewolu Ladoja as the convener on Wednesday 6, Thursday 7, Friday 8 and Saturday 9, December with the sole aim of agreeing on a consensus candidate.

“We all agreed that the chances of one person winning are better than those of seven people who are likely to divide the votes coming to the zone.

“Since then, Mr Jimi Agbaje, Chief Olabode George, Senator Rashidi Ladoja and Mr Olusegun Aderemi have withdrawn from the race.

“Accordingly, I am of the opinion that Professor Tunde Adeniran should become our consensus candidate for the South-West zone.

“I am hereby appealing to all lovers of the South-West zone to support the candidature of Professor Tunde Adeniran to clinch the position of the national chairman of our great party, PDP,” Ladoja said



Source: https://www.ibadaninsider.com/politics/ladoja-adedoja-other-south-west-pdp-leaders-adopt-adeniran-as-consensus-candidate/


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Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by waveman2: 10:28pm On Dec 09, 2017
Apc bmc will gladly support this man because it will be d end of pdp.obj would never want to see atiku become president. They would present a light weight which at the end will pave way for buhari to win. SS will feel marginalised and buhari would get votes from there as he is already romancing with d same people. Of course a light weight southeasterner would be presented as VP eg soludo etc. Politics is about numbers and followership and these men don't have it. The former pdp chairman could not sell Jonathan to his ward talk less of d entire north dat was y pdp lost.And did is same thing dat will happen in 2019


huptin:
Professor Adeniran's choice is a game changer...

1. it will nullify Fayose's vice presidential ambition, he is also from Ekiti just like Fayose
2. it will checkmate Wike's plan to impose his stooge
3. It will afford PDP of the opportunity to present a balanced front in 2019
4. It will whittle down the overbearing influence of the governors
5. Atiku's presidential ambition might be threatened - his backers might not back Atiku
6. Obasanjo would not be able to fight PDP so well in 2019- Professor Adeniran is Obj's man any day.
7. 2019 will surely be interesting.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by bencynthgreat: 10:29pm On Dec 09, 2017
PHILipu1:

Stop deceiving yourself.
The game has change and you can not compare those politicians from south-east that are now in APC to those that were in APC before.

APC have ministers and political appointees that will surely want to win their area for APC.

So,from 2015 to now,a lot of water has passed under the bridge.

PDP no longer have the army,police,dss,inec etc on it's side to help it rig the south like in the past.

The game has change Mr man.
My dear there is a popular say in my place and it goes like "Igbo amaghi Eze" meaning Igbo no no king. See here if u like be a senator or governor no one is even seeing u. What an Igbo man believe is what he will do. Igbo's not only hate buhari but hate APC too. That Anambra people voted for Tony is because of his personality not his party. I repeat if APC present Buhari again this time around he will get close to -1% vote. Not after all these nonsense that has happened in the south east. If u doubt carry out a survey in the south east u will be shocked what people think of APC. though I don't know how they arrive at that. This time around Buhari may so much be in need of that 5% vote or even in need of 3% votes from SE but will not see it. And the few %tage from SE may just give atiku an edge (ie if people decide to come out to vote ooo)
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by barcelona007(f): 10:31pm On Dec 09, 2017
honey001:
When we tell them that SW sabi politics, they will call us different names....
secondus don win oooo Mr south west sabi politics

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Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by bencynthgreat: 10:39pm On Dec 09, 2017
Alariiwo:


PDP members in SW will still work for APC just like Northerners in PDP worked for APC in 2015.

Once a Yoruba emerges Chairman of PDP and a SE candidate emerges VP over SS, the PDP guys in SW will channel their resources to PYO's reelection.

The main aim is to have both major parties in our firm grip grin
And after that they still suffer same hunger and unemployment. hahahahahahaha u see while y Nigeria will continue in this vicious cycle of darkness?. selfishness, sentiment everywhere.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by Duru009(m): 10:45pm On Dec 09, 2017
Its so unfortunate PDP is towing towards a regional party!!.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 10:46pm On Dec 09, 2017
bencynthgreat:

My dear there is a popular say in my place and it goes like "Igbo amaghi Eze" meaning Igbo no no king. See here if u like be a senator or governor no one is even seeing u. What an Igbo man believe is what he will do. Igbo's not only hate buhari but hate APC too. That Anambra people voted for Tony is because of his personality not his party. I repeat if APC present Buhari again this time around he will get close to -1% vote. Not after all these nonsense that has happened in the south east. If u doubt carry out a survey in the south east u will be shocked what people think of APC. though I don't know how they arrive at that. This time around Buhari may so much be in need of that 5% vote or even in need of 3% votes from SE but will not see it. And the few %tage from SE may just give atiku an edge (ie if people decide to come out to vote ooo)
Mr man,you will be shock come 2019 and you will know that PDP was rigging south-east.
The reality is that the game has change and write it down that south-east votes will be share 50/50.
Give Atiku what edge when you know that only Kano votes will take care of the whole south-east.

Buhari and APC don't even need to get the majority votes,all they need is just 25% votes from one or two south-east states.

This election will be landslide victory for APC because i don't see any candidate that can beat Buhari/Osinbajo in the north and south-west.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by bencynthgreat: 11:09pm On Dec 09, 2017
PHILipu1:

Mr man,you will be shock come 2019 and you will know that PDP was rigging south-east.
The reality is that the game has change and write it down that south-east votes will be share 50/50.
Give Atiku what edge when you know that only Kano votes will take care of the whole south-east.

Buhari and APC don't even need to get the majority votes,all they need is just 25% votes from one or two south-east states.

This election will be landslide victory for APC because i don't see any candidate that can beat Buhari/Osinbajo in the north and south-west.
Oga u go dey surprise that Buhari go dey find even 2% vote but end up with -1%. Do u even know what u are saying? common who is deceiving u? don't u know that b4 2015 Igbo's hate buhari and now d hatred done skyrocket. Who wants to vote for Buhari in SE. People here got no love for that man. In fact to buttress my point they will even vote a devil instead of that man and they don't mind.

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Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by goosast: 12:00am On Dec 10, 2017
Politics is all about interest, you might be in Kano and i in Rivers, if we share same political interest we form a group (mutualistic political relationship). Before voting we might distribute a list to our supporters as a form of reminder to vote our names and interest, urging them (our members) to vote inline with our group's interest. In this PDP convention going on,their is a list called UNITY LIST which is urging members within the interest group to vote names on that list signifying that those names on the list share same political interest. So nobody is imposing or forcing any candidate on anyone.

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Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 6:01am On Dec 10, 2017
bencynthgreat:

Oga u go dey surprise that Buhari go dey find even 2% vote but end up with -1%. Do u even know what u are saying? common who is deceiving u? don't u know that b4 2015 Igbo's hate buhari and now d hatred done skyrocket. Who wants to vote for Buhari in SE. People here got no love for that man. In fact to buttress my point they will even vote a devil instead of that man and they don't mind.
Igbos didn't hate 8uhari but the were deceived by the Azikiwe that Jonathan normal add to his name when ever he want to contest for elections.
All i will tell you is that you can mark it that you will be shock by 2019 elections.

Buhari is now the president and i don't see what PDP will use to rig him this time around.

If Igbos really hate Buhari,they should have hate anybody that has something to do with him but i still tell you that Nwoye victory in Anambra should tell you that things have change and you better wake up.
Stop fooling yourself thinking that were are still in the era of rigging.

2019 will be free and fair and the results will be 50/50 in south-east.
Write it down.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by chngebeginwthme: 7:03am On Dec 10, 2017
TVTKOKO:
Now, this is common sense! Instead of divide their votes between plenty candidates that won't hold water, they direct the bullet to one single person.. Talk of Unity of Purpose cool cool cool

But it's too late now..
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by chngebeginwthme: 7:07am On Dec 10, 2017
DMerciful:
Best interest for PDP to have a SW chairman. They will everly get block vote from SS & SE, get 50% vote from SW, get 60% vote from NE and get 50% from NC then its goodbye to the Duara man

Your Political calculation is worse than anything, 50% vote from SW? Who will give them that when we have our son as VP behind Buhari?

60% from North East? hahhaa even when PDP was in power and have the power of rigging they never get that hahha keep fooling yourself..

50% from NC? hahahha please i no fit laugh...
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by bencynthgreat: 7:23am On Dec 10, 2017
PHILipu1:

Igbos didn't hate 8uhari but the were deceived by the Azikiwe that Jonathan normal add to his name when ever he want to contest for elections.
All i will tell you is that you can mark it that you will be shock by 2019 elections.

Buhari is now the president and i don't see what PDP will use to rig him this time around.

If Igbos really hate Buhari,they should have hate anybody that has something to do with him but i still tell you that Nwoye victory in Anambra should tell you that things have change and you better wake up.
Stop fooling yourself thinking that were are still in the era of rigging.

2019 will be free and fair and the results will be 50/50 in south-east.
Write it down.
Is obvious u are blind and don't know history. When he came to Ebonyi state and Anambra did u see any crowd that came out to see him. They could not even rent a crowd because my guys go collect d money and zoom off and that's d level of hatred Igbo's have for Buhari. Be thinking of 50/50 vote for ur oga when the actual real deal is 99.9% vote for PDP. same thing will happen in SS. Apart from some states in the north Buhari has more haters now than admirers because of the hardship he has brought to the people.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 8:33am On Dec 10, 2017
bencynthgreat:

Is obvious u are blind and don't know history. When he came to Ebonyi state and Anambra did u see any crowd that came out to see him. They could not even rent a crowd because my guys go collect d money and zoom off and that's d level of hatred Igbo's have for Buhari. Be thinking of 50/50 vote for ur oga when the actual real deal is 99.9% vote for PDP. same thing will happen in SS. Apart from some states in the north Buhari has more haters now than admirers because of the hardship he has brought to the people.
I guess you don't reason with your head.
Do you really think that after the treat by IPOB terrorists that they will assisnate Buhari if he come to the south-east that his security teams will allow too much crowd around or near the president?

If the president want much crowd,Okorocha can bused in enough crowd from Imo state on that day.

The president security team tried as much as possible to minimize those that could see the president for security reasons.

Come 2019,you will cry and know that politics is not all about noise making online.

The game has change between 2015 and now.

Every normal Nigeria that has brain know that PDP 16 years of bad governance is the reason that Nigeria is in such state and has nothing to do with Buhari 2 years as president.

Majority of Nigerians are not fools like PDP supporters.
We know what happened in the past and we know that Buhari is on a rescue mission and things could have been worse than this if not for Buhari.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by bencynthgreat: 9:32am On Dec 10, 2017
PHILipu1:

I guess you don't reason with your head.
Do you really think that after the treat by IPOB terrorists that they will assisnate Buhari if he come to the south-east that his security teams will allow too much crowd around or near the president?

If the president want much crowd,Okorocha can bused in enough crowd from Imo state on that day.

The president security team tried as much as possible to minimize those that could see the president for security reasons.

Come 2019,you will cry and know that politics is not all about noise making online.

The game has change between 2015 and now.

Every normal Nigeria that has brain know that PDP 16 years of bad governance is the reason that Nigeria is in such state and has nothing to do with Buhari 2 years as president.

Majority of Nigerians are not fools like PDP supporters.
We know what happened in the past and we know that Buhari is on a rescue mission and things could have been worse than this if not for Buhari.
U are too myopic my dear. Who is even deceiving u into believing a sane Igbo youth will come out for ur Buhari. That man is not loved here and nobody dey even see am gan. I have never seen a worst hated president in Igbo land than Buhari. its obvious u don't know history between Igbo's and buhari. keep deluding ursef thinking an Igbo man gives a shit about ur president. Orji Uzor kalu ran to APC to save himself from the criminal case not for any Buhari or APC. what do u think of a man who cannot even win vote in his own land yapping rubbish about how igbos will vote for Buhari. U have just been set up by dis dubious dude called orji Uzor.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by ominid1: 9:35am On Dec 10, 2017
I will bet that PDp will not win 8 states in 2019 election.
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Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 10:30am On Dec 10, 2017
bencynthgreat:

U are too myopic my dear. Who is even deceiving u into believing a sane Igbo youth will come out for ur Buhari. That man is not loved here and nobody dey even see am gan. I have never seen a worst hated president in Igbo land than Buhari. its obvious u don't know history between Igbo's and buhari. keep deluding ursef thinking an Igbo man gives a shit about ur president. Orji Uzor kalu ran to APC to save himself from the criminal case not for any Buhari or APC. what do u think of a man who cannot even win vote in his own land yapping rubbish about how igbos will vote for Buhari. U have just been set up by dis dubious dude called orji Uzor.
Mr man,you can only speak for yourself and not all igbos and don't be deceive to think that all igbos will share your sentiments.

If before Anambra election anybody ask you if Buhari APC will get 20 votes in Anambra,you would have said it was impossible because all Anambra people hate Buhari,APC and anybody that is connected to both but you saw the result.

I guess Ojukwu son also ran to APC to save himself abi?
Ebonyi state governor endorsed Buhari for second term to save himself abi?

Keep deceiving your self thinking we are still under PDP that rigging was the order of the day.
You will be shock by 2019 votes from south-east.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by bencynthgreat: 11:11am On Dec 10, 2017
PHILipu1:

Mr man,you can only speak for yourself and not all igbos and don't be deceive to think that all igbos will share your sentiments.

If before Anambra election anybody ask you if Buhari APC will get 20 votes in Anambra,you would have said it was impossible because all Anambra people hate Buhari,APC and anybody that is connected to both but you saw the result.

I guess Ojukwu son also ran to APC to save himself abi?
Ebonyi state governor endorsed Buhari for second term to save himself abi?

Keep deceiving your self thinking we are still under PDP that rigging was the order of the day.
You will be shock by 2019 votes from south-east.
Ok Let the Ebonyi state governor multiply himself and do d voting. The time when majority of Nigerians wanted goodluck out and were ready for a new government. how many vote did ur oga get from SE? 5% I guess but now we have seen his wickedness, clueless ness and how bad he is we will give him -1% this time. So for ur mind an igboman will wake up on d election day, dress up to go vote for ur Oga. Mr friend wake up its dawn already.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by bencynthgreat: 11:19am On Dec 10, 2017
PHILipu1:

Mr man,you can only speak for yourself and not all igbos and don't be deceive to think that all igbos will share your sentiments.

If before Anambra election anybody ask you if Buhari APC will get 20 votes in Anambra,you would have said it was impossible because all Anambra people hate Buhari,APC and anybody that is connected to both but you saw the result.

I guess Ojukwu son also ran to APC to save himself abi?
Ebonyi state governor endorsed Buhari for second term to save himself abi?

Keep deceiving your self thinking we are still under PDP that rigging was the order of the day.
You will be shock by 2019 votes from south-east.
U are d only Nigerian that don't know that d hatred between ur oga and igbos are like 5and6. He can win in other areas but here he won't even get up to 1% vote not to mention wining or getting 50/50 vote. I don't even know why am wasting my time talking about dis with u. A man that came back as repentant dictator and got only 5% votes what happens now that we have seen it all. He can even win all other areas but SE won't give him their vote simple.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 11:21am On Dec 10, 2017
bencynthgreat:

Ok Let the Ebonyi state governor multiply himself and do d voting. The time when majority of Nigerians wanted goodluck out and were ready for a new government. how many vote did ur oga get from SE? 5% I guess but now we have seen his wickedness, clueless ness and how bad he is we will give him -1% this time. So for ur mind an igboman will wake up on d election day, dress up to go vote for ur Oga. Mr friend wake up its dawn already.
Point of correction,the Igbos didn't want Jonathan out because of the Azikiwe he normally use to deceive them when election comes.

Between when Buhari got 5% now,alot of water has passed under the bridge.

APC can now beat PDP to 2nd position in a south-east state.

We now have ministers and political appointees from south-east who must deliver their areas.

PDP no longer have the army,police,dss,inec etc on it's side to rig south-east and give Buhari 5% like before.

It was all in attempt to rig Buhari out that he got that 5% in south-east.

Wake up and go and learn politics and stop to fool yourself.

I know you will only come online to cry rigging after 2019 election results are out.

Use your head and remove hate from your head and mind and you can predict the outcome of 2019 election.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 11:25am On Dec 10, 2017
bencynthgreat:

U are d only Nigerian that don't know that d hatred between ur oga and igbos are like 5and6. He can win in other areas but here he won't even get up to 1% vote not to mention wining or getting 50/50 vote. I don't even know why am wasting my time talking about dis with u. A man that came back as repentant dictator and got only 5% votes what happens now that we have seen it all. He can even win all other areas but SE won't give him their vote simple.

Keep living in fools paradise if you think that PDP still have the power to rig Buhari to 5% again come 2019.

You will cry after the election but i don't just want to hear rigging because you have refuse to wake up to reality.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 11:29am On Dec 10, 2017
bencynthgreat:

U are d only Nigerian that don't know that d hatred between ur oga and igbos are like 5and6. He can win in other areas but here he won't even get up to 1% vote not to mention wining or getting 50/50 vote. I don't even know why am wasting my time talking about dis with u. A man that came back as repentant dictator and got only 5% votes what happens now that we have seen it all. He can even win all other areas but SE won't give him their vote simple.
And that hate didn't stop Anambra people from voting somebody that is in the same party with Buhari.

They voted BUHARI PARTY OVER YOUR IGBOS PDP PARTY.

THEY COULD JUST HAVE VOTED THE TWO IGBOS PARTIES FIRST AND SECOND.
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by bencynthgreat: 11:37am On Dec 10, 2017
PHILipu1:

And that hate didn't stop Anambra people from voting somebody that is in the same party with Buhari.

They voted BUHARI PARTY OVER YOUR IGBOS PDP PARTY.

THEY COULD JUST HAVE VOTED THE TWO IGBOS PARTIES FIRST AND SECOND.
This has shown me how myopic u are. U don't have a single understanding of what am talking about. my two targets here are igbos and Buhari. keep deluding ursef. am done with u. bye
Re: PDP Chairmanship: Tunde Adeniran Is Consensus Candidate For South-West by PHILipu1(m): 12:09pm On Dec 10, 2017
bencynthgreat:

This has shown me how myopic u are. U don't have a single understanding of what am talking about. my two targets here are igbos and Buhari. keep deluding ursef. am done with u. bye
Go and continue to live in fools paradise.
Your eyes will clear in 2019 and you will know that speaking for others when you don't know their mind is bad.

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