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Jochabed:
The bible says a woman should not put on a man's garment.

Jochabed:
The bible says a woman should not put on a man's garment.

Seun:
No, the part of the bible you're talking about only applies to Jewish women. It includes a lot of other rules that Christians don't follow.

Jochabed:
huh? the bible applies to everyone,not only to some people.

Jochabed:
The bible says a woman should not put on a man's garment.

Jochabed:
huh? the bible applies to everyone,not only to some people.

preciousuweh:
How did I twist what the bible said.
I don't think you actually read what I posted/said.
please go back and read it and do it slowly and steadily.
When you are done, you can come and point out how I twisted what the bible said.

Emmanystone:
You mean what you copy and pasted?

Am sure you didnt even read it to the end.

Pls show the word 'Trouser' in the Bible, then we will take it from there.

Shally2:
After arguing like fools, you people should come and remove the trousers from our waist. Idiots!!!!

Seun:
The verse about women wearing men's clothes is Deuteronomy 22:5.
If Christians are to obey that, they should also obey the following commandments from the same chapter:

"Do not plant two kinds of seed in your vineyard"
"Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together."
"Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear."
"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

And from the next chapter (23):
"No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the LORD."
"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation."
"You shall not charge interest to your countrymen: interest on money, food, or anything that may be loaned at interest." (NASB)

How many of the above commands do you think all Christians should obey?

Gggg102:
first who determines if a garment is for a man or a woman

also why don't you follow the other laws

when a woman has a discharge of blood she shall remain in her uncleanliness for 7 days, who ever touches her shall be unclean till night. Lev 15:19
you shall not cross breed cattle and you shall not mix clothing materials. Lev 19:19
Lev 19:27 you shall not mar the edge of you hair or beards.

preciousuweh:
And who told you I copied and paste?
My friend that write-up was written by me.
If you are asking me to point out were trouser is written in the Bible then I have a question for you.

Can You Point Out Were Skirt Is Written In The BIBLE

My advice to you is to go back and read that write-up of mine again because from the look of things you didn't read it at all.

I know it is lengthy, that's because I explained everything in details backed up with bible passages.
it also contains frequently asked questions in regards to this topics and how I answered them by GOD'S grace.

So go and read all over again.

#XAVIER.

Emmanystone:
Is this how you engage in discourses? I asked a question, instead of giving an answer you asked a question.

Why will i care if there's a shirt in the Bible when the Case in point is not about a shirt? What kind of a discourse will it be jumping here and there?

It's about Trousers, lets face it, when we are done with this you can open another thread lets deal with shirts.

Again point where the Bible talks about Trousers whether for males or females.

preciousuweh:
Gggg102, for your Info, I'm not an atheist, so please don't see me as one.
By the grace of GOD I'm a Christian.

I can see you are using the law of the law (old testament) to back up your point or as a Jaguar.
Fine, those laws in the old testament were given to the Jews including Deuteronomy 22:5. But there is something you also need to know, Not all the laws were annulled by grace ( which JESUS instituted by his dealth) or were not extended to Christians. Some of those laws were actually extended to the Christians just as some were not.

For the Israelites to remain holy and pure before GOD, laws that had to do with physical cleansing which had to do with sacrifice, abstainment from certain things and carrying out of certain rituals which includes your above points were commanded and giving to the Jews then.
But as Christian there is no need for us to carry out such rituals or acts anymore because JESUS CHRIST had paid for it on the cross of calvary.
The Bible in John 8:36 (KJV) says:

If the Son (JESUS) therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

JESUS CHRIST has given us (Christians) freedom not just any freedom but all round freedom according to the above scripture, so for that we do not have to follow or do those old testament ritual or way of purification.
The Bible in Romans 6:14 (KJV) says:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

The bolded part of the above scripture says it all. We are not under the law but under grace so we do not have to do what the law says but what grace says.

But in all this there are some laws of the law that does not contradict with the law of grace and which are extended to the Christians. Deuteronomy 22:5 is one of them, HOW?, you may ask. well that's because it was supported and approved of in the New testament. WHERE? you may ask.
In 1 Cornithians 6:9-10 (KJV) the Bible says:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Mark the bolded word effeminate.

NOTE: In this context, Effeminate is not peculiar to only males but to both male and females.

Effeminate in general has to do with BEHAVING OR TRYING TO BEHAVE LIKE THE OPPOSITE SEX BY IMITATING THE WAY THEY TALK, BEHAVE, DRESS OR APPEAR.

In Deuteronomy 22:5, the Bible says that men shouldn't put on female attires and vice versa which is cross dressing and in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (which is in the new testament) the Bible kicked against Effeminate (which has to do with behaving like the opposite sex by imitating the way they dress (which has to do with dressing like the opposite sex by putting on their attire or by dressing in the manner of the opposite sex which is also cross dressing), appear, talk or do things.).

In Essence, Deuteronomy 22:5 which was given to the Jews was supported, approved of and mentioned in the new testament in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 which automatically means, that law (Deuronomy 22:5) has been commanded and extended to the Christians.

But women putting on trousers isn't wrong, why?, you may ask.
Well I have already explained that in my write-up ( The opening post of this thread).
In that write-up of mine, i explained everything in details backed up with bible passages.
it also contains frequently asked questions in regards to this topics and how I answered them by GOD'S grace.

So using the law of the law as your points to prove your opinion, pass across your message or contradict/oppose the Bible isn't logical to me.


#XAVIER.

preciousuweh:
You asked a question, I asked a question.
Before I can answer your question, you have to answer mine.
It's question for a question.

So If you are asking me to point out were trouser is written in the Bible then I have a question for you.

Can You Point Out Were Skirt (Not Shirt As You Are Saying Because I Never Mentioned Shirt) Is Written In The BIBLE

My advice to you is to go back and read that write-up of mine again because from the look of things you didn't read it at all.
I know it is lengthy, that's because I explained everything in details backed up with bible passages.
it also contains frequently asked questions in regards to this topics and how I answered them by GOD'S grace.
So go and read all over again.


#XAVIER.

Gggg102:
What made you think I thought you were an atheist?

I was using the old testament to prove a point to the person I quoted.

If you read my previous post you would realize I agree with you

preciousuweh:
ok
But Bro Are You A Christian Or An Atheist.

Gggg102:
Can't answer fully

Emmanystone:
You are not serious.

Where did you see that Conversational maxim from? A question doesn't follow another question in a proper maxim. I will leave you to your schemes.

preciousuweh:
Why?

Gggg102:
I'm in a stage where I can't identity with a group till I clear my mind.


I would say I'm a hybrid

preciousuweh:
Bro, The reason I asked you a question for a question is because there is a point I want to prove to you only if you will answer my question.

I have an answer/point to your question which is laced in my question.

If you can just answer my question, I will answer yours.

THANKS, PEACE.

#XAVIER.

preciousuweh:
One of the question people most especially the women are asking in the Christendom today is:
IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG FOR WOMEN TO PUT ON TROUSERS.
The answer to the above question has always been two sided. Two sided in the sense that some set of people opposes it, i.e claims/say that it is wrong for women to put it on. And if asked why they say so, they will simply tell you that the bible kicks against it, and the passage they always quote or dish out is Deuteronomy 22:5.
While the other set of people proposes it, i.e claim/say that there is nothing wrong with it, and when asked why, they will simply say that there is no way where it is written in the bible that women shouldn't put on trousers.
And the argument continues while the billion dollar question lingers, is it wrong or right for women to put on trousers?
Well the answer to that is what we will be looking at in this article. It's gonna be a long thing, so buckle up.
Before I continue, let's look at what the bible says in Deuteronomy 22:5;

" The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. "

What the above passage is saying is, a woman should not put on any attire that belongs to a man and a man also should not put on any attire that belongs to a woman. That's Awesome. But the question here is;
Is Trouser Only A Male Attire?
Well before I answer that, let's look at the below facts.
1.) The Indian women puts on trouser like attire culturally (i.e as their cultural attire).
2.) The Arab women puts on trouser like attire culturally (i.e as their cultural attire).
3.) The Hausa/Fulani women of the Northern Nigeria puts on trouser like attire culturally (i.e as their cultural attire where the women puts on trouser or trouser like attire sewn with local material or a jean trouser in which a long gown is being worn over).

Also, I will like us to consider the below facts also
1.) In Scotland, their men puts on skirt like attire culturally (i.e as their cultural attire).
2.) The Jewish, Arab, Greek, Roman men puts on gowns or gown like attire culturally (i.e as their cultural attire).
3.) The Efik, Ibibio, Anang and Oron men of the Niger Deltan states of Akwa Ibom and Cross River State tie wrappers culturally (i.e as their cultural attire).

Before we proceed, I will like you (reader) to ponder on the below questions:
1.) Will the Indian, Arab and Hausa/Fulani women be condemn to Hell because they put on trousers or trouser like attire which is their cultural attire?
2.) Will the Scottish, Jewish, Arab, Roman, Greek, Efik, Ibibio, Anang and Oron men be condemn to hell because they put on skirt like attire, gown or gown like attire and tie wrapper which is their respective cultural attires?
If your answer to the above question is yes i.e they will be condemn to hell, that means you are trying to tell me that, the Bible and GOD is against culture. And if that be the case, then what was the need for GOD to separate men into diverse language and culture at the tower of babel if HE was against it?
I will like someone to ponder on that.

Different cultures and their different ways of dressing. And they are cultures that allow men to put on skirt like or gown like attires, and they are also cultures that allow women to put on trouser like attire.
In those cultures that allow men to put on skirt like or gown like attires, their women also dress in like manner but there is always a difference.
In such cultures, the gown like attire or skirt like atttire been worn by the males is always different from the gown like or skirt like attire been worn by the women, for e.g the Jewish men put on gown like attires just like their female counterparts, but the type of gowns be worn, how it is been worn and the manners by which it is been worn is different from that of the female in such a way that some one can be able to different between a male gown and a female gown.
The Efiks also, the way and manner in which a male ties his wrapper is different from the way a female do theirs. Same applicable to cultures that allow women to put on trousers or trouser like attires. The way and manner by which a female puts on trousers and trouser like attires is different from the way the male does theirs in such a way one will be able to differentiate between that of the females and the males.
In essence all I'm trying to say is that trouser is not only a male attire because they are cultures that allows women to put on such.
Another point to show that trouser is not a male attire is if we go back to the garden of Eden after the fall of man when GOD sew clothes for Adam and Eve. HE didn't sew trouser or trouser like attire for Adam, how are you sure? you may ask. Well if HE did that, the early men would have been putting on trousers or trouser like attires but that didn't happen, because the early men put on gown like attire which shows that GOD himself sew a gown like attire for Adam whose pattern he then passed over to his children and eventually the early men but the way and manner in which the male gown was and was been worn was different to that of the females.

So now what the Bible in Deuteronomy 22:5 (which is our opening bible passage) which at first was commanded to the Jews but has now been extended to gentiles also by reason of salvation and grace through our LORD JESUS CHRIST ( and the gentiles are people with diverse cultural backgrounds) is saying is:
Any dressing or attire that has been seen, allowed, noticed, permitted as a man's attire culturally (i.e in a particular culture), a woman shouldn't put it on. Likewise any dressing or attire that has been seen, allowed, noticed, permitted as a woman's attire culturally (i.e in a particular culture), as man shouldn't put it on. Because it is an abomination and sin in the sight of GOD. For e.g if a Scottish male puts on a skirt like attire that is for a female (given the fact that Scottish male put on skirt like atire) then that male has committed a sin and abomination in the sight of GOD. Likewise also if a Jewish woman puts on a gown that is for a man, then that woman has committed a sin and abomination in the sight of GOD. And also if me, as an oron man tie my wrapper the way oron women tie theirs, then I have committed a sin and abomination in the sight of GOD. And also if an oron woman ties her wrapper the way oron men tie theirs, then certainly that woman has committed sin and abomination in the sight of GOD.
But if a male of a particular cultural background puts on any attire (be it skirt, trousers, gowns and wrappers) that is for males, then he hasn't committed any sin or done anything wrong. Likewise if a female of a particular cultural background puts on any attire (be it skirt, trousers, gowns and wrappers) that is for females, then she hasn't committed any sin or done anything wrong. For e.g if a Scottish male puts on a skirt like attire that is for a male (given the fact that Scottish male put on skirt like atire) then that male has not committed any sin or abomination in the sight of GOD. Likewise also if a Jewish woman puts on a gown that is for a woman, then that woman has not committed any sin or abomination in the sight of GOD. And also if me, as an oron man tie my wrapper the way oron men tie theirs, then I have not committed any sin or abomination in the sight of GOD. And also if an oron woman ties her wrapper the way oron women tie theirs, then certainly that woman hasn't committed any sin or abomination in the sight of GOD.
I know the thought on your mind will be: "But all the above statements and facts are all about or related to the cultural background of the said people. How is that related to the modern way of dressing which involves women putting on trousers?"
That's a nice question up there but before I answer that question, I will like you to ponder on the questions below:
1.) The modern attire we put on today, is it our cultural attire i.e is that the attire been worn and recognized by people of our culture as our cultural attire? Of course our answer to the above question is a capital NO.
2.) Since it's not our cultural attire, then where did it originate from? what culture, cultural background or people did it originate from? because such attires wouldn't just have originated from nowhere or from mars to Earth and be termed "modern attires".
The answer to the above question is that the so called modern attire of today actually originated from the west which includes the US, UK, North American and European countries which means that the so called modern attires of our world today are the cultural attires of the west but due to unknown reasons they became so popular and widespread that they are now term modern attires rather than western attires.
Another question I will like to ask is:
The modern trousers been worn by men today, which culture did it originate from? Of course the answer to that is the westerners. There is no other culture to the best of my knowledge right from time immemorial (the biblical times) that allow men to put on or that recognises the modern trousers (which is been worn by men today) as their cultural attire. The westerners introduced that and today, it is now been regarded as a world wide thing.
If you look at the western culture, the issue of women putting on trousers wasn't part of their culture but they came a time when their culture evolved in such a way women starting putting on trousers i.e trousers designed and made for women were been produced.
You may ask, why must their culture evolve?
Well the answers to that are in the below points:
1.) Life is dynamic. And for something to be dynamic, change must occur. To evolve means to change. Change is constant, it can never be stopped.
2.) Ask yourself this question (This question is targeted at the Africans, most especially Nigerians). The way people of your culture dress currently culturally, is it the same way they were dressing during the pre-colonial era (i.e Before colonisation, before the white men came to Africa, before the white men conquered the African continent.)? The answer to the above question is NO (but if you are uncertain about it, a little research on your part will be useful). So the same way your culture evolve from the what they use to dress then to the way they dress now, that is the same way the western culture evolve to the culture it is today, the culture which allows women to put on trousers.
If you still insist that the western culture for evolving is wrong then that means our respective cultures are also wrong for evolving.
So in essence what I'm saying is that the western culture is a culture that allows both women and men to put on trousers.
But in all this, there are trousers specifically designed for the male folks likewise they are also trousers designed for the female folks and they are trousers designed as unisex i.e they can be worn by both the male and female folks. And also the way and manner by which a woman dresses even if she is putting on trouser is different from the way and manner a man dresses in such a way that whenever someone sees a female or female attire he/she will be able to identify her as a female even from a distance or he/she will also be able to recognize the attire as one pertaining to feminism. Same thing applicable to the male attire or manner of dressing which also enables one to be able to identify a male even from a distance or be able to identify such attire as one pertaining to masculinity.
So if a man puts on trousers designed for a woman e.g leggings (which is a trouser like attire designed for women), then he has committed a sin or an abomination in the sight of GOD according to Deuteronomy 22:5. And also if a woman puts on trousers designed for a man, then she has committed a sin or an abomination in the sight of GOD according to Deuteronomy 22:5. But if a man puts on trousers designed for a man, then he hasn't committed any sin or abomination in the sight of GOD according to Deuteronomy 22:5. Likewise if a woman puts on trousers designed for a woman e.g leggings (which is a trouser like attire designed for women), then she hasn't committed any sin or abomination in the sight of GOD according to Deuteronomy 22:5.
So if you say that the trouser is only a man's attire and all women that put them on irrespective of cultural background will be condemned to hell, then that means the skirt or skirt like attire, gowns or gown like attire and the wrappers are all female attires and all men that puts them on will be condemned to hell.
That means the male Jews, Arabs, Romans, Greeks etc will all be condemn to hell for putting on gown or gown like attires which is their culture.
That means the Scottish men will be sent to hell for putting on skirt like attires which is their culture.
That means the men of Efik, Ibibio, Anang and some part of Igbo will be sent to hell for tying wrappers which is their culture.
That also means me and my fellow oron men will be condemn to hell for tying wrappers which is our culture also.
That means JESUS CHRIST should be in hell fire or is already in hell fire since HE Himself wore gown like attires which was the culture of the Jews.
That also means the apostles and the prophets should be in hell fire since they themself wore gown like attires which was the culture of the Jews.
That generally means GOD will condemn people of an entire cultural background to hell simply because they dressed culturally or chooses to dress culturally.
WHAT AN IDEOLOGY!!!!!
Of course the answer to the above statements is a capital NO.
That is why you can't go and tell a western woman that because she is putting on trousers (which is her cultural attire), she will go to hell. She will look at a you like someone that has problem upstairs.
An also imagine a white man coming to tell me that because i'm tying wrapper as an oron man (which is my cultural attire), I will go to hell. I will look at that white man like someone that has brain tumour.

I wonder why some of our churches, people and society label and condemn women that puts on trousers (which is the culture of a particular set of people whom they copied from) to hell why they label and approve those that puts on modern/western skirt(s) or gown(s) (which is also the culture of the same particular set of people whom they are copying from) as those that will be save from the condemnation of hell. Why do they approve a part of the culture of a particular set of people in terms of their dressing and condemn to hell and criticize another part of the culture of that same particular set of people in terms of their dressing also i.e why do they approve the wearing of modern/western skirts and gowns by women and condemn/criticize the wearing of trousers by women ( given the fact that both are the cultural attires of the same set of people from a particular cultural background).
Is That Not Hypocrisy And Mediocrity?

That is why I say as a result of the above facts that putting on of trousers by women is not wrong neither is it a sin or neither does it contradict with Deuteronomy 22:5 because it's the cultural attire of the westerners whom we have also copied from because people tend to copy other people's culture.

So instead of condemning putting on of trousers by women, we (the Christians) should be preaching, advocating and promoting decent, modest and godly dressing irrespective of what one is putting on be it a skirt, gown, wrapper or trouser.
We should also be preaching against cross dressing i.e a man putting on a female attire and a female putting on a male attire.
Our focus shouldn't be on what we dress in or put on but how we dress.

Previously, i was also of the opinion that wearing of trousers by women was wrong and a sin and that they will be condemn to hell Fire until the day I decided to ask questions, research deeply into the bible and examined between diverse cultures and their dressings, dug out the above point and facts I've shared with you, that was when I realized that women putting on trousers is not wrong neither is it a sin.
Although it took me days to come to this conclusion.

NOTE: I'm not condemning or against those churches that are against wearing of trousers by women because every church has their do's and donts which I call church doctrines and they have their reasons why they say or choose to do so.
So if you are woman and your church is against women putting on trousers,then avoid putting it on, do not rebel but if your church allows it then put it on but if your church do not allow putting it on (trousers) to church but permits it outside the church i.e at home, then do likewise, do not rebel.
All I'm trying to say is that putting on trousers by women is not wrong neither is it a sin.
So we should stop labeling women putting on trousers as candidates of Hell Fire.

THANK YOU, NAMASTEY.

#XAVIER

Cc seun, lalasticlala.

PrecisionFx:
Is it a sin for boys to wear Skirts


Meanwhile I hope u didn't expect anyone read this Abi.

preciousuweh:
Re-read my post again, the answer to your question is there. Just read it.

Thanks.

PrecisionFx:
I have done that. I couldn't find it.
Pls answer the question directly

preciousuweh:
The Scottish men puts on skirt as their cultural attire just like their female counterparts but get one thing straight, the skirt been worn by men, the manner by which it is been worn and the design is different from that been worn by women (you can Google it if you want to)
The scotish men skirt is a skirt design to depict masculinity just like that of the women (which is designed to depict feminity)

So if the skirt (I'm talking in the secular sense now) is not design to depict masculinity (i.e designed for males) then as a male you should avoid it because that's EFFEMINATE (which means trying to appear like the opposite sex in the general sense) and the bible in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and in Deuteronomy 22:5 kicks against it.
But if the skirt is design to depict masculinity (i.e designed for males), then there is no problem. But I'm yet to see such skirt aside from the male Scottish skirt.

PrecisionFx:
The feminine trouser is equally designed for women n the Masculine trouser is as well designed for men.

preciousuweh:
Yop, and they are trousers also designed as unisex (i.e for both male and female).

So it is wrong according to Deuteronomy 22:5 if a male puts on a trouser designed for the females (e.g leggings) and vice versa.

But there is nothing wrong according to deuteronomy 22:5 if a female puts on trousers designed for females (e.g leggings) or that designed as unisex and vice versa.

PrecisionFx:
Deuteronomy 22 vs 9.

"""You shall not wear a garment of different sorts, such as wool and linen mixed together"""


U have been disobeying this one so hellfire waits u......

And Oh, I almost forgot this one

Leviticus 19:27.

"""You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard"""

Ur hell fire go be ×2 ooo. U have been disobeying this one. , etc.