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barineh:
Haha rule no 1 don't trust a Nigerian Government

Well it depends on what.

It depends on which Government in power.

I'm confident this time the money will be judiciously used. The new fly boys of the Nigerian Army need things to fly. The Navy's expeditionary fleet ordered has to be paid for. The Air Force can't wait for it's new birds.

Whatever, we should sleep sweet tonight. Its a reality. The guys should be coming up with ideas of what to procure like what Army Aviation assets, there are guys looking this way.

My concern is Mansur Dan Ali. The purchase of the birds are looking more opaque than ever.

tdayof:
What will be done to it?

Funds will determine that.

ssaengine:
The crashed Oryx :-(

feels bad man

The Mfezi ambulance

Kalapizim:
can I get a download link boss

i dont have the game but you can get digital combat simulator 1.5 world or 2.0 for free on the official web site .

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/

i think there is the Su-25T and TF-51D free with the game


then you can search for official patch ( not free) and Fans patchs (free) to add more planes and maps , missions

ad you need a good config to play it : minimum config : i3 processor , RAM: 8 GB; graphic card: 2 GB
Recommended config : CPU: Core i5+; RAM: 16GB; ; Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX780 / ATI R9 290 DirectX11 or better .

and i will add you algerian air force fans free patch here : https://www.virtual-aaf.com/index.php?/files/

ALgerian Mig 29 new pics , maybe during an upgrade or maintenance

Covert1:
NAF' first female fighter pilot on high performance jets currently training with the USAF. Arguably black Africa's first. Any nays bring proof of qualification on what fighter jet.

Whatever, NAF congratulations! What a feat! On the whole Nigeria's Armed Forces currently makes proud with the pace of capacity and capability building.

Ethiopia and Kenya female fighter pilots

Assistant Chief of the Defence Forces in charge of Operations,Doctrine & Training (ACDF OPD&T) Major General Adan Mulata today visited the Kenya Battalion Command Post at Kunduchi, Dar es Salaam,Tanzania.KDF is participating in EAC Command Post Exercise Ushirikiano Imara 2017.

Algerian1:
i dont have the game but you can get digital combat simulator 1.5 world or 2.0 for free on the official web site .

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/

i think there is the Su-25T and TF-51D free with the game


then you can search for official patch ( not free) and Fans patchs (free) to add more planes and maps , missions

ad you need a good config to play it : minimum config : i3 processor , RAM: 8 GB; graphic card: 2 GB
Recommended config : CPU: Core i5+; RAM: 16GB; ; Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX780 / ATI R9 290 DirectX11 or better .

and i will add you algerian air force fans free patch here : https://www.virtual-aaf.com/index.php?/files/

thanks boss

We all deal with budget constraints but what happens when your armed forces aren't subject to normal political oversight? What happens when the military basically writes their own cheques? You get the Pak military!

In July 2016, the Pakistani senate was informed that the armed forces run over 50 commercial entities worth over $20 billion. Ranging from petrol pumps to huge industrial plants, banks, bakeries, schools and universities, hosiery factories, milk dairies, stud farms, and cement plants, the military has a finger in each pie and stands today as the biggest conglomerate of all business in Pakistan. However, the jewels in their crown are the eight housing societies in eight major towns where prime lands in well-manicured cantonments and plush civil localities in the possession of these societies are allotted to military personnel at highly subsidised rates. Even military awards are linked with the grant of farm lands and housing plots to military personnel.

The jewels in their crown are the eight housing societies in eight major towns. Shuja Nawaz in his book, Crossed Swords, expounds the landgrabbing propensities of Pakistani generals. He goes on to say that in the “late 1980s, as dictator fatigue set in during the Zia period, many army officers refrained from going out into the public in their uniforms as there was much resentment against the military for their over-indulgence in economic activities.” Later in 2007, “the country saw the jarring banners carried by lawyers who were protesting the removal of a chief justice by the military ruler: Ae watan ke sajeele Genrailo; saaray ruqbey tumhare liye hain[b] (O’ handsome generals of the homeland, all the plots are just for you).”[/b]

https://qz.com/1134516/inside-pakistans-biggest-business-conglomerate-the-pakistani-military/#

IIRC,when my dad visited Karachi on a tea marketing trip 12 yrs back he said the army influence was "everywhere." This is not a good thing! They're a self funding entity interested in pushing hostility against a practically invincible enemy,India. Feeding off civilian anger against India has basically ensued their successful careers.
Looking at the stats compared to India its actually no contest.




INDIA


PAKISTAN


GDP


Amount in USD


GDP


Amount in USD
2005 2.8% 35,718 3.7% 7,032
2006 2.5% 36,151 3.4% 7,081
2007 2.3% 41,003 3.1% 6,676
2008 2.6% 48,277 3.1% 6,879
2009 2.9% 48,470 3.1% 7,134
2010 2.7% 48,940 3.1% 7,520
2011 2.6% 48,766 3.3% 7,975
2012 2.5% 48,406 3.2% 8,238
2013 2.4% 50,914 3.3% 8,655
2014 2.5% 51,116 3.3% 9,248
2015 2.3% 51,257 3.4% 9,510

They're outspent 5x on the gross!

kikuyu1:
We all deal with budget constraints but what happens when your armed forces aren't subject to normal political oversight? What happens when the military basically writes their own cheques? You get the Pak military!


https://qz.com/1134516/inside-pakistans-biggest-business-conglomerate-the-pakistani-military/#

IIRC,when my dad visited Karachi on a tea marketing trip 12 yrs back he said the army influence was "everywhere." This is not a good thing! They're a self funding entity interested in pushing hostility against a practically invincible enemy,India. Feeding off civilian anger against India has basically ensued their successful careers.
Looking at the stats compared to India its actually no contest.




INDIA


PAKISTAN


GDP


Amount in USD


GDP


Amount in USD
2005 2.8% 35,718 3.7% 7,032
2006 2.5% 36,151 3.4% 7,081
2007 2.3% 41,003 3.1% 6,676
2008 2.6% 48,277 3.1% 6,879
2009 2.9% 48,470 3.1% 7,134
2010 2.7% 48,940 3.1% 7,520
2011 2.6% 48,766 3.3% 7,975
2012 2.5% 48,406 3.2% 8,238
2013 2.4% 50,914 3.3% 8,655
2014 2.5% 51,116 3.3% 9,248
2015 2.3% 51,257 3.4% 9,510

They're outspent 5x on the gross!

That's some nice write up. This is however far from most African countries.


In Nigeria, I know the Nigerian police force runs schools, ultra modern hospitals, banks, printing press and insurance companies.

The military runs schools. They all need to target the large consumer market. If the Nigerian airforce can open a cocoa processing factory in Nigeria, then they'll be paying for their acquisitions very soon.

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tdayof:
That's some nice write up. This is however far from most African countries.


In Nigeria, I know the Nigerian police force runs schools, ultra modern hospitals, banks, printing press and insurance companies.

The military runs schools. They all need to target the large consumer market. If the Nigerian airforce can open a cocoa processing factory in Nigeria, then they'll be paying for their acquisitions very soon.

I cast & bind!!

Odunayaw:
I cast & bind!!

u support it

nemesis4u:
u support it

any Nigerian knows I am rebuking the idea

Covert1:
Well it depends on what.

It depends on which Government in power.

I'm confident this time the money will be judiciously used. The new fly boys of the Nigerian Army need things to fly. The Navy's expeditionary fleet ordered has to be paid for. The Air Force can't wait for it's new birds.

Whatever, we should sleep sweet tonight. Its a reality. The guys should be coming up with ideas of what to procure like what Army Aviation assets, there are guys looking this way.

My concern is Mansur Dan Ali. The purchase of the birds are looking more opaque than ever.

We order 20 extra jf17 to add to 6 already then complement it with the yak130 or L15 jet at least 12. Then we turn our t55 to IFV. We MUST buy new tanks 150 t72 tanks from Russia would do for now. Some attack helicopters would do some good like the Russian black shark . The Army's aviation should be scrapped. $1b would do all this.
And I should stop

Odunayaw:
I cast & bind!!

Why

barineh:
We order 20 extra jf17 to add to 6 already then complement it with the yak130 or L15 jet at least 12. Then we turn our t55 to IFV. We MUST buy new tanks 150 t72 tanks from Russia would do for now. Some attack helicopters would do some good like the Russian black shark . The Army's aviation should be scrapped. $1b would do all this.
And I should stop

Nice write up until you mentioned 150 T72 TANKS and TO SCRAP ARMY AVIATION CORPS! unbelievable. T72 is about to turn into another curse just like hilux. Nobody goes for t72 again unless they are donated. We are in the era of T90 man. For Ifv we go for terminators. Our aviation Corps also get to say.

Cadets Commissioning Parade Rehearsal by the Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Robert Kibochi

1.Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Robert Kibochi inspecting parade mounted by the Cadet recruits at the Kenya Military Academy, Lanet – Nakuru County on Friday 17th November 2017.

2. Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Robert Kibochi having a word with one of the pupils on arrival at the Kenya Military Academy

3. Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Robert Kibochi inspecting parade mounted by the Cadet recruits.

4. Cadet recruits salute the dais during march past.

barineh:
We order 20 extra jf17 to add to 6 already then complement it with the yak130 or L15 jet at least 12. Then we turn our t55 to IFV. We MUST buy new tanks 150 t72 tanks from Russia would do for now. Some attack helicopters would do some good like the Russian black shark . The Army's aviation should be scrapped. $1b would do all this.
And I should stop

In my opinion since the navy is getting a special funding from the Senate, they should be excluded from this $1bn deal.

Nemesis4u, how much does a su30 cost?

1. Best cadets recruit all round being awarded a sword for being the best by the Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Robert Kibochi

2. Cadets staging a march pass during the event.

3. Commander Kenya Army Lieutenant General Robert Kibochi greets the East Africa Diaspora Cadet Recruits during the event.

tdayof:


Why

You want the service to be cocoa oriented? Pilots doing I.T on farms?

Odunayaw:
You want the service to be cocoa oriented? Pilots doing I.T on farms?

They can have civilian workers you know?

tdayof:
In my opinion since the navy is getting a special funding from the Senate, they should be excluded from this $1bn deal.

Nemesis4u, how much does a su30 cost?

it depends on the model and the customization

base model SU30MK unit price should cost between 35-45 million in today's price

SU30MKI costs around 75 million

actually its difficult to put a price correctly it depends on several factors , price may come down if its a packaged deal with considerable no of units . only after negotiations done will u be able to get the correct price.

just to be safe expect it to cost close to 60 million

Vietnam follow on order for 12 SU30MK2 cost around 37.5 million each for total of 450 million in 2012. that should be around 55-60 million now

algerian1 whats the cost of SU30MKA ?

nemesis4u:
it depends on the model and the customization

base model SU30MK unit price should cost between 35-45 million in today's price

SU30MKI costs around 75 million

actually its difficult to put a price correctly it depends on several factors , price may come down if its a packaged deal with considerable no of units . only after negotiations done will u be able to get the correct price.

just to be safe expect it to cost close to 60 million

Vietnam follow on order for 12 SU30MK2 cost around 37.5 million each for total of 450 million in 2012. that should be around 55-60 million now

algerian1 whats the cost of SU30MKA ?

We can also exchange with palm oil.

tdayof:
In my opinion since the navy is getting a special funding from the Senate, they should be excluded from this $1bn deal.

Nemesis4u, how much does a su30 cost?

Yes only NAF requirements

tdayof:



They can have civilian workers you know?

The demerits outweigh the merits

tdayof:
We can also exchange with palm oil.

procurement can be done in staggered form

first sign iron clad agreement for final no of units say 12 , it means both parties will not be able to walk away without incurring financial penalty .

make payments on year basis , first delivery will take 2-3 years after that 3-4 years to finish delivery.

u get around 7 years to shell out 800 million at 60 million per unit
at the rate of around 100 million per year

this is doable

tdayof:
In my opinion since the navy is getting a special funding from the Senate, they should be excluded from this $1bn deal.

Nemesis4u, how much does a su30 cost?

Very very true. It's not like they'll be using ships to fight Boko Haram. Su30 costs 37.8m while the su35 costs 40-60m

Ibrahimanees:
Nice write up until you mentioned 150 T72 TANKS and TO SCRAP ARMY AVIATION CORPS! unbelievable. T72 is about to turn into another curse just like hilux. Nobody goes for t72 again unless they are donated. We are in the era of T90 man. For Ifv we go for terminators. Our aviation Corps also get to say.

You can use the chasis of the t55 to build the BMAT terminator. The T72 is not outdated yet and won't be for long. Besides the spare are almost everywhere with everybody trying to build their type of the t72. It aviation corps would slow the transformation of the Air Force and I would be heavily under armed.

nemesis4u:
it depends on the model and the customization

base model SU30MK unit price should cost between 35-45 million in today's price

SU30MKI costs around 75 million

actually its difficult to put a price correctly it depends on several factors , price may come down if its a packaged deal with considerable no of units . only after negotiations done will u be able to get the correct price.

just to be safe expect it to cost close to 60 million

Vietnam follow on order for 12 SU30MK2 cost around 37.5 million each for total of 450 million in 2012. that should be around 55-60 million now

algerian1 whats the cost of SU30MKA ?

from what i know about algerian contract

in 2006 bought 28 sukhoi 30 mka for 1.5 billion $ (french take 10% of contract price) ( 53 million per unit) in a contract of 2,5 billions ( with ammunition formations maintenance facility ect.. )
in 2011 bought 16 additional su30 mka for 900 million $ , .......................................( 56 million per unit)
in 2015 get 14 Su-30MKA for about 800 million $.................................................... (57 millions per unit )

the price depend on what variant you want and what modification on it

malysia for exemple get 18 su-30 MKM in 2003 for 900 million $ ........(50 millions per unit )

venezuela get 12 sukhoi Su-30 MK2 for only 480 million $ ............( 40 millions per unit )

pic : the Flankers family and evolution of versions

https://i.imgur.com/A9vDApu.jpg


or go for western :
moroccan get 24 F16 for 841.9 millions de dollars (35 millions per unit) in a global contrct of 2,4 billions ( ammunition , formation , hangar base maintenance facility ect...)
and qatar get in this last ew contract 12 rafales for 1,1 billions ( 91 millions per unit) even if first contract of 24 rafale and ammunition formations ect.. was for 6 ,3 billions dollars

Saffas,do us all a favour! Your excellent grensoorlog is solely in Afrikaans,nobody has given an English trans. Patches689,patchesagain,mikecza could one of you oblige? We're really missing out on the continents most important battles because of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzC0tC_YpmQ