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OkCornel:
You asked if Jesus said we should stop paying tithes and I asked if Jesus (not Paul) said we should also stop animal sacrifice. You have the Law and the Grace before you. Make your choice and don't cherry pick items of the Law in an era of grace.

Check the first question you asked and relate it to point 1.

As for point 2, God uses imperfect people to do execute His perfect will e.g.

1) A fearful and lying Abraham
2) A tricky lying deceitful Jacob
3) An angry , doubtful and stubborn Moses
4) A randy Samson
5) A harlot in Tamar and Rahab
6) A Moabite foreigner like Ruth
7) A murderer, adulterer and killing Machine like David
8 ) A randy Solomon
9) An Isaiah with an unclean tongue
10) A controversial Jesus in the eyes of Pharisees, Sadducees and other Torah Zealots
11) A Saul who killed Stephen and later became Paul after his encounter with Jesus

In all of these people, I did not see a self righteous Pharisee. Thank you


Please read your bible and tell me if I'm wrong. Thank you.

God used imperfect people to fulfil his agenda?.
Agreed.Can you show me where tithing was abolished in d new testament or where God corrected or executed his judgement against his church or fake prophets with a novice like "FREEZE"?.
D truth is glaringly clear that DADDY isn't working for God, cause there's no biblical cover whatsoever that backs him up.
Do not be deceived by emotions bro, all the pastors may not be right but DADDY is far from being a child of God(nt judging, simply based on d scriptures).

D1official:
Definitely and obviously d end of all things has dawned on us,the prophecies of the scriptures is being fulfilled before our very eyes.
To us the believers,we are glad because everyday draws us closer to our home, to the unbelievers we are crazy and to the non -yet believers the grace is still sufficient to you all.

It's no longer a news that a Daddy called "FREEZE" who has being known for his criticisms against "Tithing" has looked like a torn in the flesh of many by him asking for a new testament proof which validates tithing an old testament doctrine today.
WONDERFUL!! But here are some great points and questions for "DADDY AND ALL HIS CREW" .

1. Has God ever used a non prophet or ordinary person as a voice against a fake prophet or to correct a prophet in both old and new testament?

It should be clear to each and every one of us, that God has Neva used an ordinary person to correct a false or real prophet of his, not in the old or even the new testament can such ever be found.

For example God used (young prophet Samuel - prophet Eli),(Samuel to correct and punish King Saul), (Prophet Nathan to correct king David), (Paul to rebuke bar Jesus)... Since God has never used someone like "DADDY FREEZE" before, who then is making use of him?

2.Who called daddy freeze into these teachings?

In point one, we have ascertained that the likes of "FREEZE" has never being used by God before in both old and new testament to correct the church.

It is also very interesting for us to note that, the work of God is not a white collar job that every intellectual can just be employed,just because he feels emotionally attached.

Every single soul that has worked for God to bring to pass a particular agenda has everly being on God's strict and clear calling.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

It is obvious to us that DADDY wasn't called by God neither has he ever mentioned at any point or anywhere that he's being called by God. So who called him?

3. Was tithing condemned in d new testament?

Every one that has stood firmly with "FREEZE" has always being of the opinion that tithing is an old testament doctrine and no longer exists in the new testament. But actually non of them have being able to show us where tithing was abolished in the new testament by Jesus or the disciples.

And therefore since tithing was encouraged in the old testament and has a lot of similar backings in the new testament, why shouldn't we continue with it ,why scrap it out when JESUS nor any of his disciples didn't condemned it?

4. Has God ever divided his own church?.

Has God ever allowed the church to be publicly disgraced before,even at the expense of fake prophets?.NO!!. God has never done that in the scriptures. In fact Jesus in (Matt 13:36-43) made reference to the parable of the wheat and tares.

Jesus made it clear that the tares should be left untouched. why?. Because he clearly doesn't want to divide his church. So who is dividing US?

5.what is actually d agenda and mission of "DADDY FREEZE".

The main agenda of "FREEZE" is nothing other than to destroy the economic sufficiency of the church just to hinder it's growth.

By claiming that all tithing which has being going to churches, should all be redirected into charity.
The question now is, will God ever cut the flow of resources to his body?.
We must note that the church is the people but the people can never be the church.
" GATE OF HELL SHALL NEVA PREVAIL AGAINST D CHURCH".
BRETHREN let's be wiser than the devil.

1.God made a donkey speak. Did i just hear you call him an ordinary person?Did you create him?Do you know the covenant he has with God? According to the scriptures which says "ye are gods".
Your point is as baseless as myopic. He must be a clergy in cassock to say the truth? your arent concerned about the message but the quality of the messeger? Was moses, who God sent to the Egytians a prophet?pastor? He was a murderer an "ordinary" person. How about Jesus disciples? Were they prophets or pastors?

2. Who called pastors to their ministry. God? Yea, but very few are indeed called. So the mantle of teaching is reserved to those only called to the pastorial ministry? Absurd! If i go on to the streets to advocate or preach against stealing you would ask who called me to the ministry first before listening?
This revered pastors-are they
really called by God as well?
3. No. It was not condemned,not because of anything but because giving is godly. To My question to you is, was tithing mandatory in the new testament? Did Jesus command us to tithe?
4.i am tempted to call you ignorant.. How blind can you be? Have you given up reasoning to your erroneous doctrines?
Jesus fought against his days religious system. He condemned pharisees, teachers of law, scribes. He drove people out of the temple. He violated their sabbath rules. He said "i have not come to bring peace but division. A father against son,mother against daughter..." this were Jesus words.
The church is the body of Christ, the fellowship of his TRUE saints and not some earthly religious body. The church(body of christ) is one in spirit. But men religious systems have always been divided (catholic,anglican,pentecostal,Redeem,et al)
5. Your fifth point is the most disgraceful statement from a self proclaimed christian. Economic growth of the church?how wordly and materialistic. If devil using daddy freeze was to fight the church, will he not fight the essence of christian beliefs like holiness, morality,love? Why will it be economic growth ? Would devil not prefer to rob the church of its holiness rather than tithe?

Who are you to judge his agenda? Did God reveal it to you that his agenda is subtle? Or is your carnal wisdom that tells you so?

You accuse him of judging pastors, wheras you judge him as well. Arent you also guilty?

OkCornel:
Check out the conversion of Saul to Paul and how he defended himself before the Sanhendrin in Jerusalem and also in front of the Romans.

In addition, what exactly makes you sinless and what makes Daddy Freeze sinful?

God has used even something less than a sinful human being to pass across his message.

Does the story of the Donkey and Balaam come to mind?

It's either you're systematically avoiding my question or you're deceiving yourself. The earlier you understand the biblical character Freeze is representing the better for you. Shebi he has opened account for you to pay ur tithe {TAP}, and people are bn call upon to donate into it..we're getting there.

paxonel:
Your five points are questions you should sincerely asked and not providing answers to them because you don't know the answers.
You asked :
1. Has God ever used a non prophet or ordinary person as a voice against a fake prophet or to correct a prophet in both old and new testaments?

Ans: God may not rebuke priests through non priests in the old testament, but new testament which we belong is a different thing entirely. I told you we were made priests through Christ not only pastors. So we are entitled to fight for our rights by ourselves.

You came up the question
2.Who called Daddy freeze into this teaching?

And also quoted the scripture
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ans: You failed to understand that as many that has believed in Christ he has justified and called. Therefore we were called into priesthood.
If Daddy freeze has believed you can't exempt him out of this, you are not God.

3. Was tithing condemned in d new testament?

Ans: tithing was a Jewish religious obligation of the old covenant, It was not compulsory for the gentiles.
I'm a Yoruba man, not a Jews. Yes we were made among the common wealth of Israel through Christ. But that's a spiritual thing and not material like tithing or money giving. So your argument do not follow at all.

5.what is actually d agenda and mission of "DADDY FREEZE"

Ans: you are not Daddy freeze

However in your :
point 1.
you have accepted that God never used a non priest or believer for his work. And let me correct you sir, the new testament is not a different thing but the continuation and perfection of what God has started in the old testament.
Yes we are all royal priesthood according to the new testament but that doesn't mean that God's calling has seized sir,nor rules broken.
If it has then show me where in the new testament where his likes where used for correction or judgement in the kingdom
Point 2.
who is a believer?.
A believer is one who has decided to live his life in respect to the word of God.
So therefore show me the biblical proofs of daddy freeze being a believer?.
Point 3.
We all are spiritual jews and according to (mal3:10)what tithing offers is blessings.
And the scriptures says that the blessings of the Lord maketh rich and adds no sorrows.
So yes it may look like a physical thing but it guarantees spiritual results.
point 5.
His mission is audible to the deaf and visible to the blind.
He wants to bankrupt the church, and who does that?.
your guess is as good as mine.
You may not believe in tithing but it's obvious that Daddy isn't used by God.

Michellekabod:
1.God made a donkey speak. Did i just hear you call him an ordinary person?Did you create him?Do you know the covenant he has with God? According to the scriptures which says "ye are gods".
Your point is as baseless as myopic. He must be a clergy in cassock to say the truth? your arent concerned about the message but the quality of the messeger? Was moses, who God sent to the Egytians a prophet?pastor? He was a murderer an "ordinary" person. How about Jesus disciples? Were they prophets or pastors?

2. Who called pastors to their ministry. God? Yea, but very few are indeed called. So the mantle of teaching is reserved to those only called to the pastorial ministry? Absurd! If i go on to the streets to advocate or preach against stealing you would ask who called me to the ministry first before listening?
This revered pastors-are they
really called by God as well?
3. No. It was not condemned,not because of anything but because giving is godly. To My question to you is, was tithing mandatory in the new testament? Did Jesus command us to tithe?
4.i am tempted to call you ignorant.. How blind can you be? Have you given up reasoning to your erroneous doctrines?
Jesus fought against his days religious system. He condemned pharisees, teachers of law, scribes. He drove people out of the temple. He violated their sabbath rules. He said "i have not come to bring peace but division. A father against son,mother against daughter..." this were Jesus words.
The church is the body of Christ, the fellowship of his TRUE saints and not some earthly religious body. The church(body of christ) is one in spirit. But men religious systems have always been divided (catholic,anglican,pentecostal,Redeem,et al)
5. Your fifth point is the most disgraceful statement from a self proclaimed christian. Economic growth of the church?how wordly and materialistic. If devil using daddy freeze was to fight the church, will he not fight the essence of christian beliefs like holiness, morality,love? Why will it be economic growth ? Would devil not prefer to rob the church of its holiness rather than tithe?

Who are you to judge his agenda? Did God reveal it to you that his agenda is subtle? Or is your carnal wisdom that tells you so?

You accuse him of judging pastors, wheras you judge him as well. Arent you also guilty?

God never use ordinary person like Freeze to corrects His prophets. Kiss the truth.

Michellekabod:
1.God made a donkey speak. Did i just hear you call him an ordinary person?Did you create him?Do you know the covenant he has with God? According to the scriptures which says "ye are gods".
Your point is as baseless as myopic. He must be a clergy in cassock to say the truth? your arent concerned about the message but the quality of the messeger? Was moses, who God sent to the Egytians a prophet?pastor? He was a murderer an "ordinary" person. How about Jesus disciples? Were they prophets or pastors?

2. Who called pastors to their ministry. God? Yea, but very few are indeed called. So the mantle of teaching is reserved to those only called to the pastorial ministry? Absurd! If i go on to the streets to advocate or preach against stealing you would ask who called me to the ministry first before listening?
This revered pastors-are they
really called by God as well?
3. No. It was not condemned,not because of anything but because giving is godly. To My question to you is, was tithing mandatory in the new testament? Did Jesus command us to tithe?
4.i am tempted to call you ignorant.. How blind can you be? Have you given up reasoning to your erroneous doctrines?
Jesus fought against his days religious system. He condemned pharisees, teachers of law, scribes. He drove people out of the temple. He violated their sabbath rules. He said "i have not come to bring peace but division. A father against son,mother against daughter..." this were Jesus words.
The church is the body of Christ, the fellowship of his TRUE saints and not some earthly religious body. The church(body of christ) is one in spirit. But men religious systems have always been divided (catholic,anglican,pentecostal,Redeem,et al)
5. Your fifth point is the most disgraceful statement from a self proclaimed christian. Economic growth of the church?how wordly and materialistic. If devil using daddy freeze was to fight the church, will he not fight the essence of christian beliefs like holiness, morality,love? Why will it be economic growth ? Would devil not prefer to rob the church of its holiness rather than tithe?

Who are you to judge his agenda? Did God reveal it to you that his agenda is subtle? Or is your carnal wisdom that tells you so?

You accuse him of judging pastors, wheras you judge him as well. Arent you also guilty?

Lovely it's obvious that you getting emotional, however I expect nothing more from someone who is reluctant to give or better still ignorant of the perfect will of God.
point 1.
Daddy isn't a donkey dear,i asked a straight forward question where in the scriptures was his likes used for correcting the church.
Moreover the donkey passed a message of God and was not used by God for evangelism.
Has daddy passed a message across?. or has he being flaunting himself as a commander of d lords army?.
point 2.
God strictly calls his own for teaching and preaching and d devil does the same for d fake prophets. And yes teaching is according to calling and leadings which could be by God or Satan.
Anyone on the street is being used by someone aswell God or Satan.
Point 3.
Nothing about God has everly being mandatory,even salvation is by choice, but they all have there consequences.
But Dadddy said tithing is not a new testament doctrine,and that it has being abolished but he and yourself have not being able to show us where.

D1official:
God used imperfect people to fulfil his agenda?.

Agreed.Can you show me where tithing was abolished in d new testament or where God corrected or executed his judgement against his church or fake prophets with a novice like "FREEZE"?.

Jesus never abolished tithes...just as He never condemned animal sacrifice. If Jesus did not condemn animal sacrifice, why aren't you doing animal sacrifice to wash away your sins? Please show me anywhere in the scriptures where Jesus openly condemned animal sacrifice. The reason you are not doing animal sacrifice is also my reason for not paying tithes.

What makes Freeze a fake prophet? Because he's challenging traditions you were born and raised into with the TRUTH just as how Jesus also challenged the Pharisees that were raised on the Traditions of the Law?

D1official:
D truth is glaringly clear that DADDY isn't working for God, cause there's no biblical cover whatsoever that backs him up.
Do not be deceived by emotions bro, all the pastors may not be right but DADDY is far from being a child of God(nt judging, simply based on d scriptures).

I should be telling you also not to be deceived by Pastorpreneurs.
1) Please use the scriptures to explain how rich pastors with landed properties are now the "Levites without inheritance" that are entitled to tithes.

2) Also use the Bible to show me where GOD ALMIGHTY instructed the Children of Israel to pay tithes in monetary form. Don't even use the excuse that they were farmers or money (gold and silver) was not in use by then...because during the glorious era of Solomon and after that...it never changed how tithe was to be paid as foodstuffs instead of money (gold and silver)

Thank you.

PointZerom:
It's either you're systematically avoiding my question or you're deceiving yourself. The earlier you understand the biblical character Freeze is representing the better for you. Shebi he has opened account for you to pay ur tithe {TAP}, and people are bn call upon to donate into it..we're getting there.

1) Please explain to me how Pastorpreneurs with landed properties and Private Jets or flashy cars are now the "Levites without inheritance" that are entitled to tithes

2) TAP is even much more in line with Matthew 25 v 31-46. The fundamental basis Jesus will use to separate the goats from the sheeps on the day on judgment.

MATTHEW 25 Vs 31-46

The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.

32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’


41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


I have checked these verses...and it doesn't state that God would check anyone's tithe payment records...rather, your LOVE for God expressed through charitable courses to Humanity (with a good motive - i.e. giving glory to God and showing the unconditional love of Jesus) is what qualifies you for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Michellekabod:
1.God made a donkey speak. Did i just hear you call him an ordinary person?Did you create him?Do you know the covenant he has with God? According to the scriptures which says "ye are gods".
Your point is as baseless as myopic. He must be a clergy in cassock to say the truth? your arent concerned about the message but the quality of the messeger? Was moses, who God sent to the Egytians a prophet?pastor? He was a murderer an "ordinary" person. How about Jesus disciples? Were they prophets or pastors?

2. Who called pastors to their ministry. God? Yea, but very few are indeed called. So the mantle of teaching is reserved to those only called to the pastorial ministry? Absurd! If i go on to the streets to advocate or preach against stealing you would ask who called me to the ministry first before listening?
This revered pastors-are they
really called by God as well?
3. No. It was not condemned,not because of anything but because giving is godly. To My question to you is, was tithing mandatory in the new testament? Did Jesus command us to tithe?
4.i am tempted to call you ignorant.. How blind can you be? Have you given up reasoning to your erroneous doctrines?
Jesus fought against his days religious system. He condemned pharisees, teachers of law, scribes. He drove people out of the temple. He violated their sabbath rules. He said "i have not come to bring peace but division. A father against son,mother against daughter..." this were Jesus words.
The church is the body of Christ, the fellowship of his TRUE saints and not some earthly religious body. The church(body of christ) is one in spirit. But men religious systems have always been divided (catholic,anglican,pentecostal,Redeem,et al)
5. Your fifth point is the most disgraceful statement from a self proclaimed christian. Economic growth of the church?how wordly and materialistic. If devil using daddy freeze was to fight the church, will he not fight the essence of christian beliefs like holiness, morality,love? Why will it be economic growth ? Would devil not prefer to rob the church of its holiness rather than tithe?

Who are you to judge his agenda? Did God reveal it to you that his agenda is subtle? Or is your carnal wisdom that tells you so?

You accuse him of judging pastors, wheras you judge him as well. Arent you also guilty?

Lovely it's obvious that you getting emotional, however I expect nothing more from someone who is reluctant to give or better still ignorant of the perfect will of God.
point 1.
Daddy isn't a donkey dear,i asked a straight forward question where in the scriptures was his likes used for correcting the church.
Moreover the donkey passed a message of God and was not used by God for evangelism.
Has daddy passed a message across?. or has he being flaunting himself as a commander of d lords army?.
point 2.
God strictly calls his own for teaching and preaching and d devil does the same for d fake prophets. And yes teaching is according to calling and leadings which could be by God or Satan.
Anyone on the street is being used by someone aswell God or Satan.
Point 3.
Nothing about God has everly being mandatory,even salvation is by choice, but they all have there consequences.
However Dadddy said tithing is not a new testament doctrine and was abolished by Christ, but what his sheeples failed to ask him is where Jesus or his disciples made such reference in the new testament.
Point 4.
"God is not an author of confusion but of peace in all churches of the saint".
However you are courageously saying that this confusion is coming from Christ?.
point 5.
You have just disgraced yourself on this one.
Since your essence of Xtian believes is more important than preaching and spreading the gospel. why is God not using ur DADDDY to preach Love, Holiness and morality and leave worldly things?.
I guess you have no idea how important a soul is to God, and how the Xtian body in Nigeria dreads the wicked.

OkCornel:
1) Please explain to me how Pastorpreneurs with landed properties and Private Jets or flashy cars are now the "Levites without inheritance" that are entitled to tithes

2) TAP is even much more in line with Matthew 25 v 31-46. The fundamental basis Jesus will use to separate the goats from the sheeps on the day on judgment.

MATTHEW 25 Vs 31-46

The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.

32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?

39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’


41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


I have checked these verses...and it doesn't state that God would check anyone's tithe payment records...rather, your LOVE for God expressed through charitable courses to Humanity (with a good motive - i.e. giving glory to God and showing the unconditional love of Jesus) is what qualifies you for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Pls you're free to pay your tithe into TAP account but dont attack me for paying mine in my church. Thank you.

PointZerom:
Pls you're free to pay your tithe into TAP account but dont attack me for paying mine in my church. Thank you.

As a matter of fact, I'm not attacking you the parishioner for giving money unto the promotion of God's work.

My major bone of contention is against those preaching that tithe is 10% of your monthly monetary income whereas GOD ALMIGHTY in the Bible clearly states that it's 10% of harvested crops and livestock. It's tantamount to twisting the scriptures and deceiving people into errors.

The 10% of your monthly salary you are giving to your church is not tithe, you are only giving. And God would bless you for it anyways.

As for me, if the Holy Spirit directs me to give 100% of my salary to the church, I would do so without thinking twice sef...

D1official:
2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
These are all part of the end time saga, men will deceive and be deceived.
I guess you as a Xtian ought to know your father(JESUS),but sentiments and mammon just wants to blind you from believing the truth.

what has this quotation go to do with the question I asked you? Why has God not punished Freeze with leprosy for defaming God's supposedly anointed men of God

PaChukwudi44:
what has this quotation go to do with the question I asked you? Why has God not punished Freeze with leprosy for defaming God's supposedly anointed men of God

I guess u still very far away from spiritual wisdom. Apply james1:5.

pDudd:
Blah blah blah.

Like the other guy said, go and sleep. Freeze is just gathering momentum. Many more to come. Our mumu don do.

Why do you lack scriptural response to my post, but put up a ghetto act? Let's see how far he goes before he is frozen

PaChukwudi44:
I didn't realize you have been appointed by God to determine who is born again? Have your pastors settled their fleecing of their flock?

FYI God used Cyrus even when Cyrus didn't know him to free the Israelites from captivity!!!

By their fruits we shall know them. Is a fornicator born again? What do you know about the Cyrus situation? Do pastors truly eat church tithes? Besides be mature enough not to insinuate what I did not say

paxonel:
You see your life?

were in the bible did you see that there is anything like false christians or non-born again christians?

Contrary to your school of thought , my bible tells me that WHOSEVER(including Daddy freeze, no matter how evil you think he is) believeth have eternal life. John3:16

Since Daddy freeze has believe that Jesus is the Christ what's your problem, are you his God?
Learn some manners lady! Rude reps of Frozen Daddy like you are pathetic representation of your camp. Ever heard of wolves in sheep's clothing?

For you to say he has not been speaking against the government it means cool FM is not in your area now.

Get some manners lad! Your rudeness does not signify correctness of your stance, rather a poor approach which is a proper reflection of what your camp represents. Ever heard of sheep in wolves clothing?

aigboeben:
By their fruits we shall know them. Is a fornicator born again? What do you know about the Cyrus situation? Do pastors truly eat church tithes? Besides be mature enough not to insinuate what I did not say

Can you boldly claim to say all tithe collecting Pastors (yours included) are not hypocritical fornicators? You'll be shocked at the bloody skeletons in the cupboard of these Pastorpreneurs you are paying tithes to. If you are not God that knows...please do not judge.

A fornicator whether in the secret or the open is a fornicator before God.

If you have never sinned and you will never sin or commit errors...feel free to cast the first stone.

PointZerom:
What your father told you cannot overule what my own father told me. I cannot be deceived by what you claimed your father told you afterall Eli was also a father that never told his children the truth.

On point!

OkCornel:
Can you boldly claim to say all tithe collecting Pastors (yours included) are not hypocritical fornicators? You'll be shocked at the bloody skeletons in the cupboard of these Pastorpreneurs you are paying tithes to. If you are not God that knows...please do not judge.

A fornicator whether in the secret or the open is a fornicator before God.

If you have never sinned and you will never sin or commit errors...feel free to cast the first stone.

Obviously you represent someone not good. Just imagine the way you carelessly stamp fornication on all pastor including yours (that is if you go to church). He showed off his girlfriend, and he's not bothered about reconciling with his legitimate family. When I watched for the first time his video recently , insinuating you don't need a pulpit to preach(why do you gather people and all that) I quickly knew what he stands for. Certainly this operation of his is not of God. For the records I pay my tithes to God(Hebrews 7:1-10)

aigboeben:
Obviously you represent someone not good. Just imagine the way you carelessly stamp fornication on all pastor including yours (that is if you go to church). He showed off his girlfriend, and he's not bothered about reconciling with his legitimate family. When I watched for the first time his video recently , insinuating you don't need a pulpit to preach(why do you gather people and all that) I quickly knew what he stands for. Certainly this operation of his is not of God. For the records I pay my tithes to God(Hebrews 7:1-10)

Check your bolded statement again before concluding I'm up to no good.

Only God knows if Pastorpreneurs are fornicators or have bloody skeleton in their cupboards.

By the way, what is wrong is wrong whether done in the open or secret. Freeze flaunting a girlfriend (and most likely sleeping with her) is wrong.

BUT that does not justify or make Pastorpreneurs who might be fornicating secretly any holier.


That's the point I'm making.

By the way...how can you pay monetary tithes to God if He never mandated the Children of Israel to pay it as money?

And who is the "Levite without inheritance" you are paying this tithe to?

[quote author=OkCornel post=63315180]Check your bolded statement again before concluding I'm up to no good.

Only God knows if Pastorpreneurs are fornicators or have bloody skeleton in their cupboards.

By the way, what is wrong is wrong whether done in the open or secret. Freeze flaunting a girlfriend (and most likely sleeping with her) is wrong.

BUT that does not justify or make Pastorpreneurs who might be fornicating secretly any holier.


That's the point I'm making.

By the way...how can you pay monetary tithes to God if He never mandated the Children of Israel to pay it as money?

And who is the "Levite without inheritance" you are paying this tithe to?[/quote
Who do you give your offering to? Is your pastor a fornicator?

OkCornel:
Check your bolded statement again before concluding I'm up to no good.

Only God knows if Pastorpreneurs are fornicators or have bloody skeleton in their cupboards.

By the way, what is wrong is wrong whether done in the open or secret. Freeze flaunting a girlfriend (and most likely sleeping with her) is wrong.

BUT that does not justify or make Pastorpreneurs who might be fornicating secretly any holier.


That's the point I'm making.

By the way...how can you pay monetary tithes to God if He never mandated the Children of Israel to pay it as money?

And who is the "Levite without inheritance" you are paying this tithe to?

Who do you give your offering to? Is your pastor a fornicator?

PointZerom:
God never use ordinary person like Freeze to corrects His prophets. Kiss the truth.

Are you the one that made him[ freeze ] ordinary? Interesting!

What made pastor Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakhilomew etc, extra ordinary apart from CHRIST?

aigboeben:
Who do you give your offering to? Is your pastor a fornicator?

Do you have answers to the questions I asked you before I answer yours?

bloodofthelamb:
Are you the one that made him[ freeze ] ordinary? Interesting!

What made pastor Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakhilomew etc, extra ordinary apart from CHRIST?

What then makes him extraordinary?. How many lifes has he touched?.
Can you even tell me what made your DADDY a believer with scriptural reference?.
Because all I can see is a man whose life,arrogance, mission and agenda has no scriptural backup.

D1official:
Definitely and obviously d end of all things has dawned on us,the prophecies of the scriptures is being fulfilled before our very eyes.
To us the believers,we are glad because everyday draws us closer to our home, to the unbelievers we are crazy and to the non -yet believers the grace is still sufficient to you all.

It's no longer a news that a Daddy called "FREEZE" who has being known for his criticisms against "Tithing" has looked like a torn in the flesh of many by him asking for a new testament proof which validates tithing an old testament doctrine today.
WONDERFUL!! But here are some great points and questions for "DADDY AND ALL HIS CREW" .

1. Has God ever used a non prophet or ordinary person as a voice against a fake prophet or to correct a prophet in both old and new testament?

It should be clear to each and every one of us, that God has Neva used an ordinary person to correct a false or real prophet of his, not in the old or even the new testament can such ever be found.

For example God used (young prophet Samuel - prophet Eli),(Samuel to correct and punish King Saul), (Prophet Nathan to correct king David), (Paul to rebuke bar Jesus)... Since God has never used someone like "DADDY FREEZE" before, who then is making use of him?

2.Who called daddy freeze into these teachings?

In point one, we have ascertained that the likes of "FREEZE" has never being used by God before in both old and new testament to correct the church.

It is also very interesting for us to note that, the work of God is not a white collar job that every intellectual can just be employed,just because he feels emotionally attached.

Every single soul that has worked for God to bring to pass a particular agenda has everly being on God's strict and clear calling.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

It is obvious to us that DADDY wasn't called by God neither has he ever mentioned at any point or anywhere that he's being called by God. So who called him?

3. Was tithing condemned in d new testament?

Every one that has stood firmly with "FREEZE" has always being of the opinion that tithing is an old testament doctrine and no longer exists in the new testament. But actually non of them have being able to show us where tithing was abolished in the new testament by Jesus or the disciples.

And therefore since tithing was encouraged in the old testament and has a lot of similar backings in the new testament, why shouldn't we continue with it ,why scrap it out when JESUS nor any of his disciples didn't condemned it?

4. Has God ever divided his own church?.

Has God ever allowed the church to be publicly disgraced before,even at the expense of fake prophets?.NO!!. God has never done that in the scriptures. In fact Jesus in (Matt 13:36-43) made reference to the parable of the wheat and tares.

Jesus made it clear that the tares should be left untouched. why?. Because he clearly doesn't want to divide his church. So who is dividing US?

5.what is actually d agenda and mission of "DADDY FREEZE".

The main agenda of "FREEZE" is nothing other than to destroy the economic sufficiency of the church just to hinder it's growth.

By claiming that all tithing which has being going to churches, should all be redirected into charity.
The question now is, will God ever cut the flow of resources to his body?.
We must note that the church is the people but the people can never be the church.
" GATE OF HELL SHALL NEVA PREVAIL AGAINST D CHURCH".
BRETHREN let's be wiser than the devil.

lemme just drop this verse for you.
“It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’” (Matthew 21:13).
Now a simple question what gave birth to these scriptures above The kingdom of God has nothing to do with money a creation of man. something that would pass away and be no more.
The issue of money has been a problem since the time of Isaiah, Jeremiah. Jesus, Paul, Peter etc

lemme just drop this verse for you.
“It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’” (Matthew 21:13).
Now a simple question what gave birth to these scriptures above The kingdom of God has nothing to do with money a creation of man. something that would pass away and be no more.
The issue of money has been a problem since the time of Isaiah, Jeremiah. Jesus, Paul, Peter etc

D1official:
What then makes him extraordinary?. How many lifes has he touched?.
Can you even tell me what made your DADDY a believer with scriptural reference?.
Because all I can see is a man whose life,arrogance, mission and agenda has no scriptural backup.

That's what you can see.

What really counts is what God sees about Freeze. He's the one to judge Freeze not you.

Bear in mind that self righteous Pharisees even called Jesus a Prince of Demons.

OkaiCorne:
That's what you can see.

What really counts is what God sees about Freeze. He's the one to judge Freeze not you.

Bear in mind that self righteous Pharisees even called Jesus a Prince of Demons.

What question? Is a fornicator a righteous person?

OnyeOGA:
lemme just drop this verse for you.
“It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’” (Matthew 21:13).
Now a simple question what gave birth to these scriptures above The kingdom of God has nothing to do with money a creation of man. something that would pass away and be no more.
The issue of money has been a problem since the time of Isaiah, Jeremiah. Jesus, Paul, Peter etc

Please interpret Zechariah 1:17 for me. Did Jesus have a treasurer? Money is needed to finance the gospel. How can the church take the gospel round the world without finance?

D1official:
What then makes him extraordinary?. How many lifes has he touched?.
Can you even tell me what made your DADDY a believer with scriptural reference?.
Because all I can see is a man whose life,arrogance, mission and agenda has no scriptural backup.

Show me a man who is extra-ordinary without CHRIST?

Christ came for the likes of Freeze and not for the self righteous people. Note: If you are not a sinner, you don't need JESUS. And who is not a sinner?

aigboeben:
What question? Is a fornicator a righteous person?

RIGHTEOUSNESS is a gift we receive from GOD through grace in CHRIST JESUS. It is not something we are or attain.

THE GOODNEWS is this: Anybody can receive it, including Evans the kidnapper.