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OkCornel:
As per the bolded, you are the one adding to God's word.

Despite the prosperous era of Israel in the era of Solomon where gold was common and silver was very very easy to get. The items to be tithed never changed from Crops and Livestocks to gold and silver. Even after Solomon's era...Malachi emphasized tithe was foodstuffs, Jesus also stated it to be produce from crops in Matthew 23v23

My question to you is that God who clearly gave the instructions on what to be tithed never changed it, why does man want to counter God's instruction to change tithes from crops and livestocks into money?

If you want to tithe according God's instruction, please do it as He said it should be done.
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Do not add to God's words. Thank you.

So please tell those who are doing TAP challenge to tithe strictly food items and not money as they are already doing

LaaJiblik:
Are tithes meant to be a precursor for Blessings?


Is there anywhere in the bible where it stated that tithers will be more blessed than Non-tithers?

Just saying ...
God never said he'd open the windows of heaven and pour out overflowing blessings on everybody, now did He?!

OkCornel:
How can a tither be blessed more than someone who gives in line with Matthew 25 v 31-46?

Does Dangote, Zuckerberg and the likes tithe?

Are tithers not facing challenges in life just like non-tithers...

oh please

Oh... I was waiting when this would be said.
And how are you so sure 'Dangote, Zuckerberg and the likes' don't tithe?
What proof can you profer?

OkCornel:
1) Which part of the scripture did God state tithe can be more than 10%?
2) Are tithes given to "Levites without inheritance" or paid to them?

You don't tithe to you Pastor, you tithe to God.

LaaJiblik:
Which ones don’t you agree with?

Can really say now, sorry!

Dan1cole:
Can really say now, sorry!

Because you don’t have any credible point.

LaaJiblik:
Because you don’t have any credible point.

Nah! it's too stressful to type. Besides, I skipped parts of you long replies; too long and stressful to read.

Jalive:
So please tell those who are doing TAP challenge to tithe strictly food items and not money as they are already doing

Good point! let them re-word it from "tithe" to voluntary donations to the less privileged.

The word "tithe" has been misintepreted and abused...

Dan1cole:
Oh... I was waiting when this would be said.
And how are you so sure 'Dangote, Zuckerberg and the likes' don't tithe?
What proof can you profer?

Are you implying all successful and wealthy men (billionaire inclusive) were successful because they tithed?

This is the biggest joke of the century

Dan1cole:
You don't tithe to you Pastor, you tithe to God.

Please explain how you tithe to God and Levites without inheritance, Widows, Orphans and Strangers in the Land are not involved...

If we tithe to God, why are the Pastors asking for it in monetary form which is a clear violation of God's instruction on tithing?

Dan1cole:
Just saying ...
God never said he'd open the windows of heaven and pour out overflowing blessings on everybody, now did He?!

Where does Faith come into play?

Are non-tithers cursed? Do tithers not also face life's challenges such as illness, financial crises e.t.c.

na wa o

OkCornel:
Are you implying all successful and wealthy men (billionaire inclusive) were successful because they tithed?

This is the biggest joke of the century

Stop manufacturing assumptions.
I never implied that; I only questioned the certainty of your statement.

OkCornel:
Please explain how you tithe to God and Levites without inheritance, Widows, Orphans and Strangers in the Land are not involved...

If we tithe to God, why are the Pastors asking for it in monetary form which is a clear violation of God's instruction on tithing?

Tithe is 10% of any legitimate income/increase. And these days we earn monetarily, and so we tithe monetarily.

OkCornel:
Where does Faith come into play?

Are non-tithers cursed? Do tithers not also face life's challenges such as illness, financial crises e.t.c.

na wa o

Only an ignorant tither will be victim of such...
I for one can testify of God's goodness and faithfulness when it comes to honoring ones tithe.
I can testify that for the past 3yrs and counting I've not fallen sick, nor have I taken the first drug to sustain. It's been sound health all the way, and I give God all the glory.
Giving money or paying tithe doesn't automatically or magically bring money out of thin air. You still gotta apply wisdom, execute God-inspired ideas and obey God's leading at all times.
Believe it or not tithing puts you in a class different/distinct from every other average non-tithing Christian.

Dan1cole:
Tithe is 10% of any legitimate income/increase. And these days we earn monetarily, and so we tithe monetarily.

1) Where did God instruct Israelites to tithe monetarily? Is there a scripture for this...or are you adding to God's words?

2) Where did God instruct Israelites to pay tithes on items outside of Crops and Livestock? Do you know more than God?

Dan1cole:
Only an ignorant tither will be victim of such...
I for one can testify of God's goodness and faithfulness when it comes to honoring ones tithe.
I can testify that for the past 3yrs and counting I've not fallen sick, nor have I taken the first drug to sustain. It's been sound health all the way, and I give God all the glory.
Giving money or paying tithe doesn't automatically or magically bring money out of thin air. You still gotta apply wisdom, execute God-inspired ideas and obey God's leading at all times.
Believe it or not tithing puts you in a class different/distinct from every other average non-tithing Christian.

It's God's mercies and not your tithes that is making you what you are now.

What about non-tithers that are enjoying their lives or those that lived to a full ripe age? Did tithes have anything to do with their accomplished lives?

I thought the devourer should have finished off the prosperous non-tithers. Did JOB tithe? Did Cyrus of Persia tithe? Are all the billionaires we know today tithers?

He fed 5000 people with two fish and 5 loaves of bread. The disciples said master that is all we have not even enough to feed twelve men. . He performed a miracle and the food was multiplied into thousands.
As I said he survived on basic necessities of life even though he can creat wealth, food etc out of nothing! He would not abuse that power to gratify the lust of the eye, flesh and pride of life which 99% of pastors are after.
When he was tempted by the devil- turn this stone into bread, he was hungry he did not do it because that is abuse of power!
Remember the story of the Samaritan woman , Jesus was sitting by the well waiting for the disciples who have gone in search of food to buy. He was thirsty and he asked the woman for a drink by the well.
He had to walk long distance on foot most times. Have you not heard what Isaiah prophesied about Jesus charater/ appearance?? Well I would throw a bit of light on it as I have never heard any pastor preach about it.

Isaiah 53- a vivid description of the appearance and life of Jesus a prophecy of Isaiah about him.

2He grew up before him like a tender shoot,

and like a root out of dry ground( poverty in terms of money, provision, )

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.(He was not an handsome, Fresh looking man, he has grew up in hardship)

3He was despised and rejected by mankind,( the general rich, elite population despise him as an uneducated poor fellow)

a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.( someone that is not used to luxury life and convenience )

Like one from whom people hide their faces

he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.( not a celebrity like pastors of today)
This are scriptural prophecy from Isaiah and that was what happened to him in is life time.

Well church theologians (pastors) don't teach you that do They??

Dan1cole:
hmm ... No argument he came from the poor and low, but he never remained poor or low now did he?
Poor people don't offer to buy food for 5000 people. And like I said before I find it very hard to believe that 12 sensible men left their day jobs to follow a poor man who'd have nothing to offer.

Dan1cole:
How can a man who is not even born again be telling you what is right and what is not right in the sight of God?

so painful that u could not even get to know d truth till someone u regard to as a non-born again tell u, I tell u something, I would rather that you check d scriptures to see if his sayings are true or not, but I bet u barely read ur bible
n u can even call someone a non-born again when u av not even check to see if u are one, pls no offence meant n I apologize if any is taken, let's strife n contend with all effort to know and stand by d truth.

nicemuyoo:
He fed 5000 people with two fish and 5 loaves of bread. The disciples said master that is all we have not even enough to feed twelve men. . He performed a miracle and the food was multiplied into thousands.
As I said he survived on basic necessities of life even though he can creat wealth, food etc out of nothing! He would not abuse that power to gratify the lust of the eye, flesh and pride of life which 99% of pastors are after.
When he was tempted by the devil- turn this stone into bread, he was hungry he did not do it because that is abuse of power!
Remember the story of the Samaritan woman , Jesus was sitting by the well waiting for the disciples who have gone in search of food to buy. He was thirsty and he asked the woman for a drink by the well.
He had to walk long distance on foot most times. Have you not heard what Isaiah prophesied about Jesus charater/ appearance?? Well I would throw a bit of light on it as I have never heard any pastor preach about it.

Isaiah 53- a vivid description of the appearance and life of Jesus a prophecy of Isaiah about him.

2He grew up before him like a tender shoot,

and like a root out of dry ground( poverty in terms of money, provision, )

He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.(He was not an handsome, Fresh looking man, he has grew up in hardship)

3He was despised and rejected by mankind,( the general rich, elite population despise him as an uneducated poor fellow)

a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.( someone that is not used to luxury life and convenience )

Like one from whom people hide their faces

he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.( not a celebrity like pastors of today)
This are scriptural prophecy from Isaiah and that was what happened to him in is life time.

Well church theologians (pastors) don't teach you that do They??

Well, believe what you want.
I know my God wasn't poor.
Yes 'He was made poor' (during 'His passion' leading to His death and resurrection) that we might be rich.
He came from poor backgrounds, but never remained in the backgrounds.
Believe me, He wasn't poor.
Now, don't misunderstand what I mean; He didn't actually concern himself with material things nor did he express a luxurious or lavishing lifestyle, that doesn't mean he was poor.

Mudi5:
so painful that u could not even get to know d truth till someone u regard to as a non-born again tell u, I tell u something, I would rather that you check d scriptures to see if his sayings are true or not, but I bet u barely read ur bible
n u can even call someone a non-born again when u av not even check to see if u are one, pls no offence meant n I apologize if any is taken, let's strife n contend with all effort to know and stand by d truth.

If you must have me spill it out for you.
Yes, I am a born again Christian (I can even give you a date if you like). And yes I am an addict of my Bible as well as a Bible student. So I don't just talk because I want to talk. I talk because I have something to offer.

OkCornel:
It's God's mercies and not your tithes that is making you what you are now.

What about non-tithers that are enjoying their lives or those that lived to a full ripe age? Did tithes have anything to do with their accomplished lives?

I thought the devourer should have finished off the prosperous non-tithers. Did JOB tithe? Did Cyrus of Persia tithe? Are all the billionaires we know today tithers?

I'm not arguing that it's not by God's grace. But then again, that grace is provoked by something I do.
Tithing is a covenant practice. And concerning covenants God has said: 'if you can break my covenant of day and night, that night becomes day and day becomes night, only then shall my covenant be broken.' See Jeremiah 33:20.
'God is no respecter of persons. whoever fears Him and does righteousness is accepted with Him.' See Acts 10:34
'The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: He bringeth low, and lifteth up.' See 1 Samuel 2:7
God is a God of principles. He is a God that honors His Word.
If I recall correctly Job was a good scartterer, 'And there is that scartereth, yet increaseth.' So maybe they (Job and the likes) weren't tithers, but surely they walked by other principles, that guaranteed their prosperity/wealth.

I have given ou scriptural facts that proves he was not accumulating earthly riches and possessions while on earth as a matter of fact he was never bothered.he just lived on basic necessities of life. So you are too proud to admit scriptural truth.
When bible says he became poor so we might be rich it meant rich in the spirit not carnal worldly riches, now he became poor by taking on our sins. it seems you don't understand scriptural truth.
To many wrong teachings in the church . They just twist scriptures to sooth their own worldly desires. This makes my blood boil.
Jesus was not rich while on earth. He did not possess material riches or land, sheep, gold etc. He survived on basic necessities of life period!!!!

Dan1cole:
Well, believe what you want.
I know my God wasn't poor.
Yes 'He was made poor' (during 'His passion' leading to His death and resurrection) that we might be rich.
He came from poor backgrounds, but never remained in the backgrounds.
Believe me, He wasn't poor.
Now, don't misunderstand what I mean; He didn't actually concern himself with material things nor did he express a luxurious or lavishing lifestyle, that doesn't mean he was poor.

nicemuyoo:
I have given ou scriptural facts that proves he was not accumulating earthly riches and possessions while on earth as a matter of fact he was never bothered.he just lived on basic necessities of life. So you are too proud to admit scriptural truth.
When bible says he became poor so we might be rich it meant rich in the spirit not carnal worldly riches, now he became poor by taking on our sins. it seems you don't understand scriptural truth.
To many wrong teachings in the church . They just twist scriptures to sooth their own worldly desires. This makes my blood boil.
Jesus was not rich while on earth. He did not possess material riches or land, sheep, gold etc. He survived on basic necessities of life period!!!!

So are you saying God is okay with poverty and failure? And doesn't encourage success and prosperity?

nicemuyoo:
I have given ou scriptural facts that proves he was not accumulating earthly riches and possessions while on earth as a matter of fact he was never bothered.he just lived on basic necessities of life. So you are too proud to admit scriptural truth.
When bible says he became poor so we might be rich it meant rich in the spirit not carnal worldly riches, now he became poor by taking on our sins. it seems you don't understand scriptural truth.
To many wrong teachings in the church . They just twist scriptures to sooth their own worldly desires. This makes my blood boil.
Jesus was not rich while on earth. He did not possess material riches or land, sheep, gold etc. He survived on basic necessities of life period!!!!

No one said Jesus accumulated earthly riches. If that was His desire, He would have accepted the crown when they wanted to make Him king.
You don't even read what I say properly, nor try to understand, you just try to impose your own ideologies here in an attempt to convince me, which you can't.
I know the depth of revelation I have at this level of mine. Only a revelation from God can make me think otherwise.

Jesus did not come to promise earthly riches it is a wrong doctrine pushed by twisting scriptures. When you work hard and smart then you would be rich. That responsibility and ablility God has placed on man!! God can make a man rich for a purpose. That is why God does not intend to make every believer a millionaire never, but one thing I am sure of you would not lack!!. Provided you do your part.... HARD WORK. Most rich people on earth are non believers

Dan1cole:
So are you saying God is okay with poverty and failure? And doesn't encourage success and prosperity?

nicemuyoo:
That is why God does not intend to make every believer a millionaire never,

Am sorry but my conversation with you is over.
I can't talk with someone who still thinks at this level.

Dan1cole:
Mr Daddy Freeze or whatever your name is, pls tell me why it is that you people cannot criticize anything else in/concerning the Church except for things that relate to money like tithing and offering?
I mean, there are many things to talk about that many so-called Church congregations are doing and encouraging, so why not criticize and campaign against those things as well?
Why campaign against only money related matters? What do you think you'll accomplish with this campaign of yours? You actually think you are doing something good right? And those people supporting you and encouraging you to continue think that you're actually solving a problem right?
Lol... I just dey laugh you and your supporters.

How do you people expect the Church to sustain, expand and the word of God to spread without money (which can come as tithes and offerings)? Yes, no doubt many so-called men of God have abused, misused, miscommunicated and stretched the concept of tithing and giving too far; using it as a devisive means to extort from ignorant people in the Church only to make themselves richer. That I am aware of, against, and strongly condemn.
But that doesn't mean, every Pastor that encourages his/her congregation to tithe and give offerings is a thief or false Prophet. Yes the man might be rich, but then how are you sure that your tithes and offerings alone made him that rich? How much do you even give on service days? Have you considered that there are people who directly give/sow to the Pastor on a daily, weekly, monthly or yearly basis; and/or the investments the Pastor has.
I'm sure the Bible even says, "happy are the feet of those who preach the gospel". And also, Jesus certainly wasn't a poor man as well. So, I'm not against a successful Pastor. Infact I personally prefer them so.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend any Pastor whatsoever here, neither am I trying to condemn/judge any, because I'm not the One that called them into ministry, nor was I there when they were called.

So, you say most of their members are poor while they (Pastors) themselves live so lavishly. Yes, I won't deny that fact. But have you investigated to find out if these so-called poor members are doing what they need to do in other to attain success and prosperity?
Yes, the church should help the poor, but for how long are they gonna be giving these so-called poor people money to take care of themselves? For how long are they gonna be spoonfed? Are they babies? Haven't you heard, "...the poor have the gospel preached to them".
Every poor man is disobedient in one area or another. Just giving money here and there doesn't guarantee prosperity or financial breakthrough like that. You have to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities. And that is why we need good teachers of God's Word in our Churches in these last days and not head pushers, deliverance ministers and seers. This is also one thing you can campaign against.

People not wanting to do what is necessary in order to afford necessities is not a today problem, people love to be handed things.
Didn't you read where after Jesus fed people with bread and fish they followed him like flies and even wanted to crown Him king, why? Simply because they wanted more free food.
Hence, this TAP challenge of your will not alliviate poverty as you think, it will only encourage laziness and laxity. Because assuming you are a smart guy, you surely know that poverty is not a physical (lack of money) issue, but a mental (lack of wisdom) issue.

People need to put their brain to work, capitalize on their talents, make the most of their opportunities in order to make money. You don't need to be currupt to make money, just be wiser, doing what is required per-time.
Many are making it in the Church and many are not. Why? Because only those willing to do what is necessary and obey principles will eat good, while the others will end up as critics in the Church.

And to supporters of Daddy Freeze, you people accuse people in the Church for following blindly, while you do the same.
Look, don't just agree with what this dude is saying without properly giving it a really good thought. Besides, I'm sure many of you his supporters are not even Christians, and I'm not even sure he himself is even born again. And if he's not a born again Christian, then I'm sure the inspiration behind this campaign of his is not of God. And if so, I'm very sorry for those who call themselves Christians supporting him.

Though I still have alot to say, I'll stop here for now.
There are alot of things to criticize in the Church, so why criticize only money related matters? Campaign against fake pastors/prophets everywhere, alien/fake doctrines etc. You can also campaign against the Government and it's terrible treatment of the people and their unfulfilled promises. Or are you afraid of the Government? Okay!
I've said enough for now, thanks for reading!

Commendations, criticism and insults are all welcome!

Daddy freeze has criticized tithing which is one error in churches among others, you should be happy that atleast one problem is being tackled.
Let another person identify another error and criticize it.

The truth is hard to swallow. Prosperity doctrine is a big lie preying on people's greed ignorance. Giving them false hope till they go to their grave so the money keeps flowing. I believe God blesses people ensuring they are not lacking at all. But to make you a millionaire it is HIS PREROGATIVE and it would serve a purpose during that person's life time. Not just for luxury or pleasure sake.
E.g. Cyrus, Esther, daniel, joseph etc.
And they became millionaires not because of tithe, or to being money to a prophet or priest

Dan1cole:
Am sorry but my conversation with you is over.
I can't talk with someone who still thinks at this level.

Dan1cole:
I'm not arguing that it's not by God's grace. But then again, that grace is provoked by something I do.
Tithing is a covenant practice. And concerning covenants God has said: 'if you can break my covenant of day and night, that night becomes day and day becomes night, only then shall my covenant be broken.' See Jeremiah 33:20.
'God is no respecter of persons. whoever fears Him and does righteousness is accepted with Him.' See Acts 10:34
'The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: He bringeth low, and lifteth up.' See 1 Samuel 2:7
God is a God of principles. He is a God that honors His Word.
If I recall correctly Job was a good scartterer, 'And there is that scartereth, yet increaseth.' So maybe they (Job and the likes) weren't tithers, but surely they walked by other principles, that guaranteed their prosperity/wealth.

God is a God of Principles ....no doubt.

1) Tithe is not obligatory as the Law is now replaced by the new covenant of grace and unconditional love...and the new covenant emphasizes on sacrificial giving from a loving and cheerful heart...this would be the basis for separating the sheeps from the goats in Matthew 25 v 31-46 (the words of Jesus Himself).

2) If you want to tithe, please tithe as God instructed and do not add to His words to justify your actions.

3) Yes, giving can attract God's blessings...but bear in mind that God is not for sale to the highest bidder. Giving with the motive of "getting something bigger" in return from God is not LOVE, rather it's a selfish mindset. Give out of love for God and man.

4) 10% of your monetary income you give to your church is not tithe and it is not obligatory. Do not let anyone deceive or arm twist you. You are giving to God's work and He'll bless you for it anyways (especially if done with the right motive and not a selfish one). You are blessed for giving...and not monetary "tithing"

Dan1cole:
So are you saying God is okay with poverty and failure? And doesn't encourage success and prosperity?

What is your definition of success and prosperity? Let us examine in light of God's words...

Dan1cole:
Well, believe what you want.
I know my God wasn't poor.
Yes 'He was made poor' (during 'His passion' leading to His death and resurrection) that we might be rich.
He came from poor backgrounds, but never remained in the backgrounds.
Believe me, He wasn't poor.
Now, don't misunderstand what I mean; He didn't actually concern himself with material things nor did he express a luxurious or lavishing lifestyle, that doesn't mean he was poor.

He was made poor so that we might be rich in what exactly? Earthly treasures that are subject to decay and theivery as Jesus preached.

He was made poor so you can have access to eternal riches laid up for you in the Eternal Heavens...
Bear in mind that the Apostles were not multimillionaire Pastorpreneurs, but they were rich not because of earthly treasures...but by eternal treasures.

By the way...as for earthly treasures, if you utilize your God given talent in line with His perfect will, everything would fall in place.

Do not disregard the source (raw material and main product) for a by-product. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness...everything other thing shall be added unto you.

If you seek Eternal Treasures, earthly treasures will come into the picture as a by-product in the process.

Jesus' major reason for being poor for you to be rich is not for earthly treasures as Pastropreneurs are always preaching... It's for Eternal treasures.

paxonel:
Daddy freeze has criticized tithing which is one error in churches among others, you should be happy that atleast one problem is being tackled.
Let another person identify another error and criticize it.

Abegi, make I hear...
If it's not money related, no one will want to campaign about it like they are doing concerning this matter.