OkaiCorne:


And where did I conclude that my pastor is a fornicator?

When the word "if" is used in a sentence, does it make the conclusion a certainty or a probability?
English is not difficult to understand

I asked you a question on where God instructed people in the scriptures to pay Tithes in monetary form and you've been avoiding this question since... Please show us where God instructed people to pay tithes as money so we are sure you are not adding to God's words to justify your transgression of His instructions.

In Deuteronomy, you convert your tithes to gold and silver if your residence is far from the temple. When you get to the temple, you use the gold and silver to buy cattles, wine or whatever you want to and eat it. Therefore, you do not hand over gold and silver to the Levites but rather foodstuffs.

You have not provided any evidence of me using an alternate moniker for sinful activities.

Your logic is quite interesting, so the only reason people open alternative monikers is to indulge in sinful activities? This is the funniest thing I've heard in a while

Beloved you have implied that I don't understand English. When I wrote my O Levels I guess at the most you were still a foetus. You wildly accused pastor of fornication including your pastor, all because of Daddy Freeze. I told you about Deuteronomy that there was a need to convert it to money. And you ignored my mention of Hebrews 7. You didn't respond to my question whether the pastors eat the tithes. Go and ask for forgiveness for calling your pastor a fornicator. Learn decency of language and don't allow Daddy Freeze's blood flow through you. Be objective and not biased

OkCornel:


You asked if Jesus said we should stop paying tithes and I asked if Jesus (not Paul) said we should also stop animal sacrifice. You have the Law and the Grace before you. Make your choice and don't cherry pick items of the Law in an era of grace.

Check the first question you asked and relate it to point 1.

As for point 2, God uses imperfect people to do execute His perfect will e.g.

1) A fearful and lying Abraham
2) A tricky lying deceitful Jacob
3) An angry , doubtful and stubborn Moses
4) A randy Samson
5) A harlot in Tamar and Rahab
6) A Moabite foreigner like Ruth
7) A murderer, adulterer and killing Machine like David
8 ) A randy Solomon
9) An Isaiah with an unclean tongue
10) A controversial Jesus in the eyes of Pharisees, Sadducees and other Torah Zealots
11) A Saul who killed Stephen and later became Paul after his encounter with Jesus

In all of these people, I did not see a self righteous Pharisee. Thank you


Please read your bible and tell me if I'm wrong. Thank you.

Thank you sooooooo much for imputing knowledge unto the op's folly.

They don't read the scriptures and even when they don't, they still refuse those who do to tell them the truth. The truth is what Freeze Spoke and that's why it is being heard. The truth is known when spoken and never hides for long.

[quote[b][/b] author=D1official post=63330656]
I guess a robber, prostitute, gay, lesbian and fornicators who accepts Christ and still continue without remorse in these lifestyles are justified by Grace?.
The truth is that this useless Grace mentality of urs is more worrisome to the church than tithing,yet your papa chose to fight the latter. [/quote]

Using the grace of God as justification to continue in sin without remorse is totally wrong.

Is Freeze openly involved in fornication? then that's wrong.

But what is even worse is when Pastors are involved in extra marital affairs secretly and they profess self righteousness openly... that's hypocrisy. There are countless stories of Pastors caught red handed sleeping with their parishioners' wives under the guise of counselling or deliverance.

The purpose of Grace is to help us grow towards righteousness as empowered by the Holy Spirit.

You do not expect a new born baby to start running around the day he or she is born... More worrisome is even when a 40 year old man is crawling around wearing diapers.

If the Holy Spirit is allowed to do His work on us, we will mature at the right time and manifest the fruits of the Spirit...that way, Grace is justified.

Cheers

aigboeben:

Beloved you have implied that I don't understand English. When I wrote my O Levels I guess at the most you were still a foetus. You wildly accused pastor of fornication including your pastor, all because of Daddy Freeze. I told you about Deuteronomy that there was a need to convert it to money. And you ignored my mention of Hebrews 7. You didn't respond to my question whether the pastors eat the tithes. Go and ask for forgiveness for calling your pastor a fornicator. Learn decency of language and don't allow Daddy Freeze's blood flow through you. Be objective and not biased

Which Pastor did I accuse of Fornication?

That the person is a Pastor does it mean there's no possibility of the person committing fornication secretly? Or the Pastors that were caught red handed sleeping with their parishioners wives...were they suddenly Imams or Babalawos while committing the act?


I never concluded with certainty that my church pastor commits Fornication as I'm not God that knows his secrets... that's why I used "IF" in the sentence.

I repeat again, English is not difficult to understand

All these Pastorpreneur adoration is the reason why we have sheeples....be a Berean Christian and not a sheeple.

If Pastors are not consuming the tithes...why are they asking for it in monetary form which is a violation of how God said it should be paid?

By the way, you've been the one falsely accusing me of using an alternate moniker for sinful activities, and having the temerity to ask if I'm sleeping with my Pastor's wife.

So do well to heed to your advice to have decency in your language.

xaggar:


Thank you sooooooo much for imputing knowledge unto the op's folly.

They don't read the scriptures and even when they don't, they still refuse those who do to tell them the truth. The truth is what Freeze Spoke and that's why it is being heard. The truth is known when spoken and never hides for long.

It's well my brother.

Anyone who sees the raw TRUTH and still fights it is a 21st century Pharisee...

aigboeben:

Beloved you have implied that I don't understand English. When I wrote my O Levels I guess at the most you were still a foetus. You wildly accused pastor of fornication including your pastor, all because of Daddy Freeze. I told you about Deuteronomy that there was a need to convert it to money. And you ignored my mention of Hebrews 7. You didn't respond to my question whether the pastors eat the tithes. Go and ask for forgiveness for calling your pastor a fornicator. Learn decency of language and don't allow Daddy Freeze's blood flow through you. Be objective and not biased

sir, did Bible say u can convert it to money and give to pastor pls be objective with ur ans

xaggar:


Thank you sooooooo much for imputing knowledge unto the op's folly.

They don't read the scriptures and even when they don't, they still refuse those who do to tell them the truth. The truth is what Freeze Spoke and that's why it is being heard. The truth is known when spoken and never hides for long.

What is the Truth?. D truth is simply the word JOHN 17:17.
If Freeze has said the truth, why not give us a scriptural backings of his truth.
All I can see in the old and new testament is Christ applauding those that give to the church, even the lady that wasted an expensive oil on Christ was applauded by him.
Since you know the truth, why not show me where tithing was abolished in the new testament, or where giving to Christ has no more blessings attached to it.

D1official:

What is the Truth?. D truth is simply the word JOHN 17:17.
If Freeze has said the truth, why not give us a scriptural backings of his truth.
All I can see in the old and new testament is Christ applauding those that give to the church, even the lady that wasted an expensive oil on Christ was applauded by him.
Since you know the truth, why not show me where tithing was abolished in the new testament, or where giving to Christ has no more blessings attached to it.

And what was Jesus' basis of separating the goats from sheeps in Matthew 25 v 31-46? was it tithing and giving to a Pastorpreneur's ministry?

@aigboeben...this is my alternate moniker.

I'm not a hypocrite that has anything to hide.

Kindly check OkaiCorne and OkCornel and tell everyone which of the moniker I'm using for sinful activities you earlier accused me of.

D1official:

What is the Truth?. D truth is simply the word JOHN 17:17.
If Freeze has said the truth, why not give us a scriptural backings of his truth.
All I can see in the old and new testament is Christ applauding those that give to the church, even the lady that wasted an expensive oil on Christ was applauded by him.
Since you know the truth, why not show me where tithing was abolished in the new testament, or where giving to Christ has no more blessings attached to it.

Since you also know the TRUTH, kindly show us where Jesus openly condemned animal sacrifice.

If Jesus did not condemn animal sacrifice and you are not doing it...that's the same reason that tells you why tithing as designed and instructed by God is archaic in line with today's realities. If you are paying monetary "tithes", you are clearly flouting God's instructions on tithing.

D1official:

I guess a robber, prostitute, gay, lesbian and fornicators who accepts Christ and still continue without remorse in these lifestyles are justified by Grace?.
The truth is that this useless Grace mentality of urs is more worrisome to the church than tithing,yet your papa chose to fight the latter.

Feeling or showing remorse cannot wipe away your sins.... Your tears cannot takeaway your iniquity...

Our only restitution is faith in the precious blood CHRIST JESUS.

OkCornel:


Since you also know the TRUTH, kindly show us where Jesus openly condemned animal sacrifice.

If Jesus did not condemn animal sacrifice and you are not doing it...that's the same reason that tells you why tithing as designed and instructed by God is obsolete in line with today's realities.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
I guess you know nothing much about the scriptures, there are other places in the new testament where animal sacrifice were condemned.
You may not believe in tithing as a Xtian but stop ignorantly supporting the devil to divide the church through his servant, cos when the wrath comes u may not be spared.
PEACE.

bloodofthelamb:


Feeling or showing remorse cannot wipe away your sins.... Your tears cannot takeaway your iniquity...

Our only restitution is faith in the precious blood CHRIST JESUS.

Therefore ones you have that faith you can always welcome sin and continue thereby?.
I have just come to notice that most of the sheeples of Freeze barely know the scriptures.

D1official:

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hebrews 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
I guess you know nothing much about the scriptures, there are other places in the new testament where animal sacrifice were condemned.
You may not believe in tithing as a Xtian but stop ignorantly supporting the devil to divide the church through his servant, cos when the wrath comes u may not be spared.
PEACE.

You that knows a lot about the scriptures, kindly show me where Jesus openly condemned animal sacrifice and not Paul.

Or was it Jesus that wrote Hebrews?

The reason you are not doing animal sacrifice is the same reason why tithing is no longer obligatory. Besides, paying monetary tithe is not scriptural.

OkCornel:


You that knows a lot about the scriptures, kindly show me where Jesus openly condemned animal sacrifice and not Paul.

The reason you are not doing animal sacrifice is the same reason why tithing is no longer obligatory. Besides, paying monetary tithe is not scriptural.

Or was it Jesus that wrote Hebrews?

I Neva knew I have being debating with a Lad. What do you mean by Jesus and Paul?. Is all the new testament not part of the new covenant?.
Pls accept ur ignorance and seek repentance.

D1official:

What is the Truth?. D truth is simply the word JOHN 17:17.
If Freeze has said the truth, why not give us a scriptural backings of his truth.
All I can see in the old and new testament is Christ applauding those that give to the church, even the lady that wasted an expensive oil on Christ was applauded by him.
Since you know the truth, why not show me where tithing was abolished in the new testament, or where giving to Christ has no more blessings attached to it.

sir, tell us why he didn't practise it.
tell us why his direct Apostles didn't practise it.
tell us if tithing is supposed to be done in monetary form
tell us if any Nigerian pastor is qualified to receive tithe.
pls be objective

Op, i guez wat daddy freez o frozen z tryin to pass acroz z dat doz so calld (slf-centre) men of God shuld preach mor of repentance, salvation n lov o charity dan emphasism mor on titthes n buyin of private jet n luxury cars which z nt relevant in d kingdom. pls dnt get it wrong, lest liv mor of Christ dan followin doz former babalawos in suit dat der lyf style do nt reflect Christ. mor ova GOD say go into d world n mak desciple, so he cn use anybody wit o witout ur permission. shalom

D1official:

I Neva knew I have being debating with a Lad. What do you mean by Jesus and Paul?. Is all the new testament not part of the new covenant?.
Pls accept ur ignorance and seek repentance.

You "tithers" have been asking if Jesus abolished tithes...and I asked if Jesus also condemned animal sacrifice. Yet you have not given me any clear answers.

1) If God said tithes are 10% of crops and livestocks, who is preaching this false doctrine that tithe is 10% of gold and silver (money)?

2) Why is the Church disobeying God's instruction on how tithing should be done as He instructed? Israel had a glorious era under Solomon where gold and silver was common. During that period, tithe was still 10% of crops and livestock. If tithe did not change into Gold and Silver back in those days, why should it change into money today?

3) Are you aware that there were conflicts similar to this tithing issue in the early church? Where some Jewish Christians preached false doctrines that circumcision is essential before you can become a Christian? What was Paul's response to this issue and how can this be applied to the obligatory doctrine of "tithing" falsely preached by Pastorpreneurs?

Per the bolded part of your message I quoted, anyone here can see that its obvious you need it more than I do if you cannot answer these questions.

OkCornel:


You "tithers" have been asking if Jesus abolished tithes...and I asked if Jesus also condemned animal sacrifice. Yet you have not given me any clear answers.

1) If God said tithes are 10% of crops and livestocks, who is preaching this false doctrine that tithe is 10% of gold and silver (money)?

2) Why is the Church disobeying God's instruction on how tithing should be done as He instructed? Israel had a glorious era under Solomon where gold and silver was common. During that period, tithe was still 10% of crops and livestock. If tithe did not change into Gold and Silver back in those days, why should it change into money today?

3) Are you aware that there were conflicts similar to this tithing issue in the early church? Where some Jewish Christians preached false doctrines that circumcision is essential before you can become a Christian? What was Paul's response to this issue and how can this be applied to the obligatory doctrine of "tithing" falsely preached by Pastorpreneurs?

bro, dont mind that man jor. he knows the truth but I guess he's a loyalist

lonikit:


sir, tell us why he didn't practise it.
tell us why his direct Apostles didn't practise it.
tell us if tithing is supposed to be done in monetary form
tell us if any Nigerian pastor is qualified to receive tithe.
pls be objective

Thank you jare...also help me ask him if Christian gentiles in the days of the Apostles were required to tithe as well...

lonikit:


sir, did Bible say u can convert it to money and give to pastor pls be objective with ur ans

Do they pay tithes to pastor?

lonikit:


bro, dont mind that man jor. he knows the truth but I guess he's a loyalist

Actually, I don't blame him in entirety...but I would be angry if he also accuses the Pharisees.

The Pharisees were passionate about defending the Traditions of the Torah...that's why they were clashing with Jesus Christ (who sounded controversial back then too)

Same thing applied to Paul who killed Stephen and other Christians before he encountered Jesus Christ.

This guy is passionately defending a tradition he was born into and has known all the while growing up...so challenging this "tithing" tradition with the bitter truth of the scriptures is quite tough for him to comprehend...

aigboeben:

Do they pay tithes to pastor?

I am still awaiting your evidence to show which of my monikers I'm using for sinful activities.
Thank you.

Smony:
Op, i guez wat daddy freez o frozen z tryin to pass acroz z dat doz so calld (slf-centre) men of God shuld preach mor of repentance, salvation n lov o charity dan emphasism mor on titthes n buyin of private jet n luxury cars which z nt relevant in d kingdom. pls dnt get it wrong, lest liv mor of Christ dan followin doz former babalawos in suit dat der lyf style do nt reflect Christ. mor ova GOD say go into d world n mak desciple, so he cn use anybody wit o witout ur permission. shalom

That's what it seemed like he was doing at first? But his mission is becoming clearer by the day. If he stayed clearly on pastors focusing on kingdom advancing issues more, he would have had 90percent of his current enemies as friends. Cos I know physical prosperity is not the primary focus of the gospel but an addendum

aigboeben:

Do they pay tithes to pastor?

see question. OK, tell us the biblical precepts of tithing sir. I wil be glad if u can make ref. to portions of the bible

OkCornel:
@aigboeben...this is my alternate moniker.

I'm not a hypocrite that has anything to hide.

Kindly check OkaiCorne and OkCornel and tell everyone which of the moniker I'm using for sinful activities you earlier accused me of.

Why are you pained by the issue? Next time stay on your case and don't make mockery of pastors generally, which includes your pastor. Stay on your point and don't stand for what is wrong. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Your language should be respectful Pastor Titus

aigboeben:

Why are you pained by the issue? Next time stay on your case and don't make mockery of pastors generally, which includes your pastor. Stay on your point and don't stand for what is wrong. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Your language should be respectful Pastor Titus

Kindly swallow your pride and admit that you accused me falsely of using a moniker for sinful activities.

OkCornel:


You "tithers" have been asking if Jesus abolished tithes...and I asked if Jesus also condemned animal sacrifice. Yet you have not given me any clear answers.

1) If God said tithes are 10% of crops and livestocks, who is preaching this false doctrine that tithe is 10% of gold and silver (money)?

2) Why is the Church disobeying God's instruction on how tithing should be done as He instructed? Israel had a glorious era under Solomon where gold and silver was common. During that period, tithe was still 10% of crops and livestock. If tithe did not change into Gold and Silver back in those days, why should it change into money today?

3) Are you aware that there were conflicts similar to this tithing issue in the early church? Where some Jewish Christians preached false doctrines that circumcision is essential before you can become a Christian? What was Paul's response to this issue and how can this be applied to the obligatory doctrine of "tithing" falsely preached by Pastorpreneurs?

Per the bolded part of your message I quoted, anyone here can see that its obvious you need it more than I do if you cannot answer these questions.

So therefore the book of Romans, Philippians, Peter and other scriptures doesn't matter much to you, because it's not directly from Christ?.
Seriously if that's the case this argument has to end cos it's seriously leading us no where.

D1official:

So therefore the book of Romans, Philippians, Peter and other scriptures doesn't matter much to you, because it's not directly from Christ?.
Seriously if that's the case this argument has to end cos it's seriously leading us no where.

These books find their roots in teachings of Christ. I would rather focus on the teachings of Jesus first, before delving into the letters of Paul and other Apostles...

Do not place the cart before the horse.

Nothing can be built without a core foundation in place...

lonikit:


sir, tell us why he didn't practise it.
tell us why his direct Apostles didn't practise it.
tell us if tithing is supposed to be done in monetary form
tell us if any Nigerian pastor is qualified to receive tithe.
pls be objective

point 1.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Here Jesus supported tithing.
point 2.
Jesus supported it and his disciples never contradicted that,and on there on part supported giving to the church.
Point 3.
What the scripture does is lay foundation upon which we are to continue thereby.
where in the scriptures have you seen microphones used for sermons or fliers being shared, you can as well say it is not scriptural to make use of them in our society today.
You and I will agree that livestock and crops can't be used for tithing anymore.
If it was to be practiced and that God won't be against money because that's the only way to get the correct 10% today.
Point 4.
Every child of God is a spiritual jew,and levites are part of Israeli family that was separated.
So therefore yes, genuine pastors are spiritual jews that has as well being separated for the work of God.
However this tread, is not based on d debate of tithing but on the validity of Daddy freeze being used by God to correct his church.

D1official:

point 1.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Here Jesus supported tithing.
point 2.
Jesus supported it and his disciples never contradicted that,and on there on part supported giving to the church.
Point 3.
What the scripture does is lay foundation upon which we are to continue thereby.
where in the scriptures have you seen microphones used for sermons or fliers being shared, you can as well say it is not scriptural to make use of them in our society today.
You and I will agree that livestock and crops can't be used for tithing anymore.
If it was to be practiced and that God won't be against money because that's the only way to get the correct 10% today.
Point 4.
Every child of God is a spiritual jew,and levites are part of Israeli family that was separated.
So therefore yes, genuine pastors are spiritual jews that has as well being separated for the work of God.
However this tread, is not based on d debate of tithing but on the validity of Daddy freeze being used by God to correct his church.

In Matthew 23 v 23, bear in mind that Jesus had not fulfilled the Law at that point in time. Just as He supported tithing, He also supported animal sacrifice which was still ongoing at that point in time.

If Jesus supported both tithing and animal sacrifice in the context of Matthew 23 v 23, why are you not doing animal sacrifice...but still tithing?

Are you implying Jesus fulfilled the Law partially?