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Agreed, am a living testimony to this assertion. HND and Bsc are not the same or equivalent in the labour market so far as Nigeria is concern so I will not advice any body to be a victim like me except for personal reason like you want to be self employed, then you may need HND knowledge. Be warn.

LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

to be honest , what you have just said is the painful bitter truth . But the problem is with time and opportunities , most people who want to go to the university get frustrated when they are denied the chance to do so for many years and only opt for polytechnic as an alternative . i doubt if there is anyone who wakes up in the morning and prays to God that he or she doesnt want a uni degree but HND.
the gap will keep getting bigger in terms of disparity between the HND and degree holders as the number of private universities keeps increasing .
@OP, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID HERE IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH , I AM SURE YOU ARE TALKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

come to my area in surulere, thousand of bsc/hnd are jobless, either you are bsc/hnd just continue to pray for grace.. look at fayose governor of ekiti state a hnd holder despite we have many degree holder.. WHEN GOD STEP INTO YOUR LIFE AND UPLIFT U UP.. CERTIFICATE WILL BE NOTHING

Laveda, come and read this

Personally, I feel poly students are secondary school students that don't wear school uniform.

Those who need Bsc, Go to NOUN. NOTE: Empty heads and lazy people don't bother.

people3:
I will prefer you do what you like cos I know of a guy who have HND and nw work with GT bank with big pay.... in a country where there is no job...

It wil b on contract staff... D pay is 80k

beautyfunke:
come to my area in surulere, thousand of bsc/hnd are jobless, either you are bsc/hnd just continue to pray for grace.. look at fayose governor of ekiti state a hnd holder despite we have many degree holder.. WHEN GOD STEP INTO YOUR LIFE AND UPLIFT U UP.. CERTIFICATE WILL BE NOTHING

you are getting the op wrong , a university degree will open doors for you that will remain shut for hnd graduates , even those wanting to employ ppl are university graduates , their children are university graduates and under graduates, immediately they see an HND certificate they will just see it an A LEVEL CERTIFICATE , but present a university degree even from the worst university , then they will at least attend to you .
concerning fayose , you cant compare his story , when he finished his hnd ,he left nigeria for uk . we are talking about unemployed ppl with hnd certificates hustling in nigeria and looking for jobs

my brother please stop deceiving yourself and others for certificates are only but papers and can't assure you of good job without connections or God on your side. There are millions of Bsc holders out there searching for jobs with the so called degree. HND is advantageous because the holder are technically trained and are self reliant and always create there own job. HND holders in Engineering field are practically oriented men who don't even depend on there salaries to survive due to frequent maintenance and contract jobs. Certificate is but mere paper HND nor Bsc. Think practical and technical for its not all about the certificate but about the skills cos you can't survive in Nigeria today without skills.... UP HND!!!

zicoraads:
Laveda, come and read this

I have.

But the time

LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

Spot on a word is enough for the wise.

Even in marriage there is discrimination of HND most BSc holders dnt marry hnd holders except BSc, if ur degree is nt BSc with at least 2.2 u will need a miracle like Dino to succeed in life.

Actually it doesn't Matter what u studied jst let it be degree.

I weep when I see distinction HND holders denigrated and referred to as junior staff to a BSc holder even if na pass degree self in almost all organizations private n public.

Well I always tell them dt with Bsc u can become a chief lecturer in polytechnic but u need a PhD to become a lecturer in Universities so d difference is much

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I don't know about others, but for me, i don't think being successful depends on University/Polytechnic certificate.
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I believe, if you are the best in whatever you do plus hardwork, determination and the Grace of God, you will be successful.
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I have seen where a HND graduate was made head over 1st class staffs and co.
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I have seen where a HND graduate conducted interview for 1st class graduates n co who were on queue to work for him.
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Your mindset(thoughts), actions and inaction, makes or mar you.
Always Be Positive! (ABP) *smiles

Laveda:
I have.

But the time

Toh, told you this before. I just hope you don't end up thinking you should have even stayed for two years or more, waiting on getting Direct Entry. This is what I see everyday. Anyway, all the best.

Agima1st:
Yes,that's the fact, I'm a victim. No federal Uni here in the west,will take HND holder for PGD but,Bsc.3nd class or pass, except FUTA Akure. Prospective applicants take note,pls.

You lied. UI takes HND for PGD

zicoraads:
Toh, told you this before. I just hope you don't end up thinking you should have even stayed for two years or more, waiting on getting Direct Entry. This is what I see everyday. Anyway, all the best.

Lol. Let's talk

Well it all depends on you.... I'm a product of Maritime Academy of Nigeria, with an HND in Marine Engineering.

Bsc, ND, HND, Pgd does not matter in the Maritime sector... In short you are irrelevant if you don't have an OOW (Officer of the watch) License otherwise known as COC (Certificate of competence) it's a license given to you after passing your Orals and written exams from NIMASA.

It is recognized worldwide (If you have Unlimited COC for either engine or deck) You can use it to work in any ship in the world as far as the country you are working is in IMO whitelist.

You can have an OOW license without having an HND (Though you will be required to have more lengthy sea time experience)

A third Engineer with OOW earns 350-450k per month on a ship

It's only in Nigeria that employers value certificates more than work experience, It's a different ball game in the Maritime sector (No work Experience, No job)

I can't remember the last time i photocopied my HND or my NYSC discharge certificate for a job in a Maritime firm.

And what sets us apart from other Engineering students in the university is that you have real hands-on experience and training before going for your licence programme... No room for Quacks!!!

PS : My own opinion

Abudu2000:
Nonsense, I have so many bsc around me who can't even afford to buy themselves cloth infact one in my street 32years still squatting, whereeas so many hnd guys even doing well....shey una see the kind nigeria person find himself, after u done suffer for admission uni no give, u come go poly then them go come dey descriminate you for labor market..

In nigeria anyhow you take make am as long as you make am, any idiot quote me and die, this topic is so annoying, you Know the suffering I went through for auchipoly hand then one idiot talk nonsense say he can't employ me, I better no know him house or I go give robbers him address make them snatch that him venza wey him buy take flex for December.

No carry guys like us play, I am an aye and this I what I signed to fight against!!!

You are a criminal

B sc or HND both are trash....if you can gather enough money write TOEFL or SAT or GMAT and get out of this god forsaken country.

B sc or HND both are trash....if you can gather enough money write TOEFL or SAT or GMAT and get out of this god damned forsaken country.

onatisi:
you are getting the op wrong , a university degree will open doors for you that will remain shut for hnd graduates , even those wanting to employ ppl are university graduates , their children are university graduates and under graduates, immediately they see an HND certificate they will just see it an A LEVEL CERTIFICATE , but present a university degree even from the worst university , then they will at least attend to you .
concerning fayose , you cant compare his story , when he finished his hnd ,he left nigeria for uk . we are talking about unemployed ppl with hnd certificates hustling in nigeria and looking for jobs

this is a society that education is meaningless, worthless and useless.. in Nigeria today if you depend on certificate you will suffer , until you have something to offer to the society or you proof your worth....

stoic6ix:
I hold a LL.B, B.L... this post no concine me jare.. next..

And you are a L.L.B holder? Is this the way you will be writing legal documents?

thesicilian:
Do what works for you. There are companies who prefer HND graduates, others B.Sc. Then there are some who will not even call you for an interview if there's no 'Oxford' or 'Harvard' somewhere on your CV.
At the end of the day, it's always best to work towards being an employer of labour wherever you find yourself, instead of being a professional employee.

Most times HND are preferred for contract positions dt pay low or for junior staff positions

beautyfunke:
come to my area in surulere, thousand of bsc/hnd are jobless, either you are bsc/hnd just continue to pray for grace.. look at fayose governor of ekiti state a hnd holder despite we have many degree holder.. WHEN GOD STEP INTO YOUR LIFE AND UPLIFT U UP.. CERTIFICATE WILL BE NOTHING

Aregbesola of Osun is also an HND holder

simplebb:
Since a lot of people will view this thread, I copied this article from nairaland concerning d same dichotomy, it answers the reason for the discrimination and the difference between HND and BSc certificate.

Read painstakingly;

Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them
With Bsc Third Class. by fratermathy ( m): 2:10pm On Nov
10 , 2015
This is getting too old and stale.
While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates
and denying them of promotions, appointments and a
chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that
HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/
DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a
Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other
appellations are the recognised standard for academic,
theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is
not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better
off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers.
The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are
middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be
called upon and relied on for their technical expertise.
University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical
study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to
have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and
careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter
how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we
try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that
they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and
another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and
same.
On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have
iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an
intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically
inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves
that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even
beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this
does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually
buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It
doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a
4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our
Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in
HND programmes are far lower, both individually and
cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the
course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and
elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the
calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower
than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have
a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard
facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these
come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian
Polytechnics!
The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics
should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary"
or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be
overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre,
alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating"
process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics.
Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA
system and courses should be well developed, standard and
carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be
hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of
Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should
always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological
pedagogical system.
Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I
believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end
this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it,
nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and
look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed,
ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers'
decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we
either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have
always done.



To save yourself of future headache, get a university degree.

Not everything you said is true... It's a good writeup though.
I still believe it is about what you can offer... I went to a firm with Bsc holders and a Master degree holder from USA and still ended up the highest paid with my HND.
In other news, I resigned and I'm looking for a job

omoelerin1:
You are a criminal

a big one for that matter, try me see

LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

No be the same Bsc Holders and Hnd holders dey cry say No Job....next story please,once God is on ur matter,weda Bsc or HND...ur ship go dey sail

As for me and my colleagues, we always thank God for passing through polytechnics.No regret for a single second. Because the company we are working with don't descriminate between HND and BSC including OND and NCE that have proved themselves.Even those that have OND/HND get job easily now a days because they don't demand huge salary like BSC and some companies like it to have HND based on their practical experience.

Sage7:
Truth is, HND holders are not as regarded as Bsc holders in the Nigerian labour market. I'm sure people know this by now.

Except for the lucky ones, Most HND holders are employed as contract staff. No bonuses an other entitlement.

Sincerely, I dislike the way they are being treated. But from onset, Polytechnics were created for entrepreneurs, not for people who want to be gainfully employed, hence, the reason for disregard by most employees. I suppose it was established at the time of recession in The US to create more entrepreneurs to alleviate the bad economy at the time.

OP, I can relate to your standpoint.

I don't understand. I am an HND holder and i worked in BAT and NBL so the OP's logic does not compute. He is using one or two instances to justify the opinion. The problem is Nigerian graduates do not know how to look for employment. Even if they are lucky to be called up for interviews, most do not have the verbal and mental acumen to survive it. Doubt me? Read through the forum and witness the comments of so called "Graduates".

fashrola:
Well it all depends on you.... I'm a product of Maritime Academy of Nigeria, with an HND in Marine Engineering.

Bsc, ND, HND, Pgd does not matter in the Maritime sector... In short you are irrelevant if you don't have an OOW (Officer of the watch) License otherwise known as COC (Certificate of competence) it's a license given to you after passing your Orals and written exams from NIMASA.

It is recognized worldwide (If you have Unlimited COC for either engine or deck) You can use it to work in any ship in the world as far as the country you are working is in IMO whitelist.

You can have an OOW license without having an HND (Though you will be required to have more lengthy sea time experience)

A third Engineer with OOW earns 350-450k per month on a ship

It's only in Nigeria that employers value certificates more than work experience, It's a different ball game in the Maritime sector (No work Experience, No job)

I can't remember the last time i photocopied my HND or my NYSC discharge certificate for a job in a Maritime firm.

And what sets us apart from other Engineering students in the university is that you have real hands-on experience and training before going for your licence programme... No room for Quacks!!!

PS : My own opinion

How would you apply for it pls?

And is it a degree awarding institution? I need it's details..

Thank you...

Abudu2000:
a big one for that matter, try me see

Empty threat. Yeye, go ask those who have more liver to perpetrate criminal acts than you..


By the way, with this your lifestyle, it is obvious you aren't employable.