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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by Meritocracy: 1:46pm On Dec 17, 2017
[quote author=simplebb post=63334085]Since a lot of people will view this thread, I copied this article from nairaland concerning d same dichotomy, it answers the reason for the discrimination and the difference between HND and BSc certificate.

Read painstakingly;

Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them
With Bsc Third Class. by fratermathy ( m): 2:10pm On Nov
10 , 2015
This is getting too old and stale.
While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates
and denying them of promotions, appointments and a
chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that
HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/
DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a
Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other
appellations are the recognised standard for academic,
theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is
not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better
off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers.
The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are
middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be
called upon and relied on for their technical expertise.
University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical
study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to
have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and
careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter
how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we
try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that
they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and
another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and
same.
On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have
iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an
intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically
inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves
that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even
beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this
does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually
buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It
doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a
4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our
Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in
HND programmes are far lower, both individually and
cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the
course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and
elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the
calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower
than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have
a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard
facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these
come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian
Polytechnics!
The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics
should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary"
or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be
overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre,
alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating"
process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics.
Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA
system and courses should be well developed, standard and
carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be
hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of
Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should
always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological
pedagogical system.
Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I
believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end
this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it,
nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and
look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed,
ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers'
decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we
either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have
always done.



The issue of grade point has nothing to do with results, Unilorin operates 5point while Unibadan operate 7point, Unilorin 5point grade is 70%, meanwhile some polytechnic operate 4point with 70%. Yabatech operates 4point with 75%. The grade point has no meaning except the percentage equivalent to maximum point. Thanks

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by Ifyapp(f): 1:46pm On Dec 17, 2017
As I no get money for degree make i go learn work now and employ university graduates in a few yrs time. So help me Lord! Who certificate eep

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by OMOTOWO(m): 1:47pm On Dec 17, 2017
make una dey deceive unasef.B.sc or HND without God connection is still zero.So many with both certificates still roam the street .

As if Buhari go school..

yeyenatu

It is all about worshiping certificates and the trend keep going on and on

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by Chuksmonika(m): 1:49pm On Dec 17, 2017
Abudu2000:
Nonsense, I have so many bsc around me who can't even afford to buy themselves cloth infact one in my street 32years still squatting, whereeas so many hnd guys even doing well....shey una see the kind nigeria person find himself, after u done suffer for admission uni no give, u come go poly then them go come dey descriminate you for labor market..

In nigeria anyhow you take make am as long as you make am, any idiot quote me and die, this topic is so annoying, you Know the suffering I went through for auchipoly hand then one idiot talk nonsense say he can't employ me, I better no know him house or I go give robbers him address make them snatch that him venza wey him buy take flex for December.

No carry guys like us play, I am an aye and this I what I signed to fight against!!!
u Bam scatter

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by hotwax: 1:56pm On Dec 17, 2017
Keep masturbating. I have HND in computer science. I am the head of my department in a bank. Thanks for certifications.

Let no one use their hate and insecurity derail your life.

Masters degree holders work under me.

University and HND are both pure water. It's better for you to build urself. Forget those useless papers.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by Nobody: 1:56pm On Dec 17, 2017
The unnecessary dichotomy between these two certificates is baseless.
These is one of the reason why nigeria will never develop or be where it suppose to be.
I think these issue has been overflogged,the op that is ranting up their that HND is nothing compare BSC is suffering from hyperactive personality disorder because he fails to realise that the polytechnics was created for a purpose under the national technical education act.
Nigeria graduates that schooled abroad are the ones that are being employed over the ones that schooled here due to the poor education system at home.
Just know what works well for you and go for it.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by benifeanyi00556(m): 1:57pm On Dec 17, 2017
most of the things u said is not true pls. I have an uncle who is a HND holder and getting a job is never his problem. in fact if the company want to mess things up he will resign and seek another job. He left Lagos last year to PH because he caught the biggest fish there. Unless u are telling me that almost 3 million npower applicants are HND holders. U think with degree u have an edge over HND graduate? what u need is ur brain and the grace of God to be at the top. I have friends that are Masters degree holders yet scrambling for a job made for ND holder. I keep telling people to think outside the box, think outside ur certificate because certificate won't give u the life u deserve. Yes we all can't be Adenuga, Dangote or billgate but its better I start thinking and reasoning like them.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by geloorrrrdd(m): 1:58pm On Dec 17, 2017
OShepherd:
are U saying HND in Engineering chaps should go & sin no more grin grin shocked
Yes grin


At least I still see job ads for engineering related courses where HND holders are allowed to apply.


I feel Polytechnics are meant for Engineers, because they learn all aspects of engineering, not just theory alone.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by Chuksmonika(m): 2:03pm On Dec 17, 2017
Bollinger:


I don't understand. I am an HND holder and i worked in BAT and NBL so the OP's logic does not compute. He is using one or two instances to justify the opinion. The problem is Nigerian graduates do not know how to look for employment. Even if they are lucky to be called up for interviews, most do not have the verbal and mental acumen to survive it. Doubt me? Read through the forum and witness the comments of so called "Graduates".
my brother no mind OP...a friend of my submitted his cv to firms,he is HND holders,and within weeks,they all invited him for interview,he gets offers left,right and center,the truth is that companies this days prefer HND now

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by grossintel(m): 2:03pm On Dec 17, 2017
The op is right, at least for the fact you live in a messed up country you better follow the rules here. I went to a poly, but never bothered working with it cause I know it's usless. How can I earn 80k on 2 years contract after the war I went through to get that certificate. And one small boy will earn 400k and I will call him boss, in a company a've been working for 5 years plus. Reason why I keep laughing at my girlfriend who's in HND 1 now, as soon as I land Canada or Authy next year and settle, she will leave that usless school and come join me study and work. Nigeria education system is a ponzi scheme scam.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by goodguy4sure(m): 2:05pm On Dec 17, 2017
Maybe some of those BSC degree holders have more knowledge than England that abolished and upgraded all there Polytechnics to University in 1992 ...

Nigeria Education System is the Major Problem..

First Degree is First Degree...
the most important thing is Follow up in career certification and with God , Success all the way
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by kerr9(f): 2:05pm On Dec 17, 2017
instead of going back for my HND.I wrote jamb again and currently in my 200l.I think I made the right decision
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by hotwax: 2:06pm On Dec 17, 2017
You guys should stop miss informing the masses as if no one is employing polytechnic graduates.

In computer science, elect elect, civil engineering, mechanical engineering, HND graduates are always preferred there.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by simplebb: 2:09pm On Dec 17, 2017
This discussion has generated lot of arguments. I was expecting that, the polytechnic graduates will try a lot to rubbish or equal themselves to their university counterparts. It is normal, it is a psychological Twist just to boost up their own ego. The truth is nobody wakes up early in life and pray to attend polytechnics, it is just a dumping ground for university rejected folks.

Certificate doesn't determine success, it is about your determination, being diligent, dedicated, mindset and prayers. That I know but op has said the right thing, certificate goes a long way too, it is one side of the two sides of a coin and getting it right in that aspect matters. This is Nigeria, The firm I worked during IT, the University engineering graduates were paid far better than the polytechnic engineer (current reality) , I posted an article that explains the difference, a diploma is different from a degree, let that sink in, rarely will u see applications that call for HND graduates in GT. No wonder shell and other top firms equate it to Third class Bsc. My current place of work is an engineering firm, a top one in Abuja and they don't even employ any HND graduates.

The sad truth we can't shy away from, the dichotomy can't end even if the government equates the two today, firms will still go for Bsc over HND. You can't just sit down and compare the two.

Even when it comes to scholarship for undergraduates and postgraduate rarely will u see for HND or poly students, PTDF, shell, Chevron etc are for university students and graduates.


This debate will go on and on, for those trying to rubbish universities first class products, you guys should continue but try remembering you dump to polytechnic because u can't pass the entrance examinations.

To compare HND to BSc is to say the polytechnic is the same as university and that's talking with tongue in one cheek.

spare the debate and let's move on to other things. if you are already in polytechnic, face your studies, graduate with good grade, get professional courses and try to get your masters and come and join the hustle. But if u are just through with ND or just seeking admission.


GET A UNIVERSITY DEGREE......

Whether Education is scam or not, Get a University degree and don't listen to crap.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by Ihebu4chelsea(m): 2:12pm On Dec 17, 2017
it's very simple!! Save yourself the stress. Get a degree! Stop celebrating mediocrity.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by Ihebu4chelsea(m): 2:15pm On Dec 17, 2017
simplebb:
This discussion has generated lot of arguments. I was expecting that, the polytechnic graduates will try a lot to rubbish or equal themselves to their university counterparts. It is normal, it is a psychological Twist just to boost up their own ego. The truth is nobody wakes up early in life and pray to attend polytechnics, it is just a dumping ground for university rejected folks.

Certificate doesn't determine success, it is about your determination, being diligent, dedicated, mindset and prayers. That I know but op has said the right thing, certificate goes a long way too, it is one side of the two sides of a coin and getting it right in that aspect matters. This is Nigeria, The firm I worked during IT, the University engineering graduates were paid far better than the polytechnic engineer (current reality) , I posted an article that explains the difference, a diploma is different from a degree, let that sink in, rarely will u see applications that call for HND graduates in GT. No wonder shell and other top firms equate it to Third class Bsc. My current place of work is an engineering firm, a top one in Abuja and they don't even employ any HND graduates.

The sad truth we can't shy away from, the dichotomy can't end even if the government equates the two today, firms will still go for Bsc over HND. You can't just sit down and compare the two.

Even when it comes to scholarship for undergraduates and postgraduate rarely will u see for HND or poly students, PTDF, shell, Chevron etc are for university students and graduates.


This debate will go on and on, for those trying to rubbish universities first class products, you guys should continue but try remembering you dump to polytechnic because u can't pass the entrance examinations.

To compare HND to BSc is to say the polytechnic is the same as university and that's talking with tongue in one cheek.

spare the debate and let's move on to other things. if you are already in polytechnic, face your studies, graduate with good grade, get professional courses and try to get your masters and come and join the hustle. But if u are just through with ND or just seeking admission.


GET A UNIVERSITY DEGREE......

Whether Education is scam or not, Get a University degree and don't listen to crap.
Kudos Bros

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by coolh3ad(m): 2:17pm On Dec 17, 2017
NOT AGAIN!!!. DON'T WE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN ARGUE OVER THIS ISSUE AGAIN??. BSC, HND - SOME OF UNA OGAS DIDN'T EVEN GO TO A POLYTECHNIC OR UNIVERSITY. WE DON FORGET SAY NA CONNECTION MATTER THE MOST WHEN IT COMES TO EMPLOYMENT IN NAIJA. GO AND LEARN HANDWORK OR START UP A PROFITABLE BUSINESS AND MAKE WHAT BSC/HND HOLDERS MAKE MONTHLY IN ABOUT 2 WEEKS.

MUST YOU WORK FOR PERSON.... NA WA OO

THIS COMPARISON DEY ALWAYS TIRE ME JUST LIKE COMPARISON BETWEEN MESSI AND C. RONALDO...........................
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by simplebb: 2:18pm On Dec 17, 2017
hotwax:
You guys should stop miss informing the masses as if no one is employing polytechnic graduates.

In computer science, elect elect, civil engineering, mechanical engineering, HND graduates are always preferred there.


A blatant lie, Top multinational companies prefer university graduates, have you wondered why a lot of advertised job offers from construction industries to oil companies prefer Bsc, even for engineering fields, They have the edge. Let me give u solid examples to chill u, Orwell in PH GT was for Engineering graduates and Bsc, Shell Nigeria follow suit, Mobil did the same, and even recently Seplat Petroleum too, JB go for university graduates, I served there and the engineers were university baked. Even setraco in Abuja recruitment was for Young University engineering graduates.

A friend of mine, an HND graduate applied, he wasn't even considered at all. He told me he will get Jamb form and start B.Eng again.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by simplebb: 2:21pm On Dec 17, 2017
Ihebu4chelsea:
it's very simple!! Save yourself the stress. Get a degree! Stop celebrating mediocrity.


This is the conclusion of the whole matter.
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by maestroferddi: 2:27pm On Dec 17, 2017
geloorrrrdd:
Yes grin


At least I still see job ads for engineering related courses where HND holders are allowed to apply.


I feel Polytechnics are meant for Engineers, because they learn all aspects of engineering, not just theory alone.
Point of correction: A polytechnic graduate is called a technician and NOT an engineer.


Quit using designations indiscriminately...
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by nelsonose: 2:42pm On Dec 17, 2017
quote author=LibertyRep post=63312632]If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents. [/quote]Hard truth.
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by maestroferddi: 2:43pm On Dec 17, 2017
kerr9:
instead of going back for my HND.I wrote jamb again and currently in my 200l.I think I made the right decision
Smart girl!

You will not regret that move.

Forget the crap people are talking here, HND certification haunts folks for the rest of their lives.

It is a risk I will not advice any friend to take. There companies where HND holders dread staff audit and appraisal exercise like death because of the expendability of workers with HND background.


Dont win the battle only to ultimately lose the war...

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by kimbraa(f): 2:44pm On Dec 17, 2017
LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.
#word!.
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by nelsonose: 2:45pm On Dec 17, 2017
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by dancok(m): 2:47pm On Dec 17, 2017
beautyfunke:
come to my area in surulere, thousand of bsc/hnd are jobless, either you are bsc/hnd just continue to pray for grace.. look at fayose governor of ekiti state a hnd holder despite we have many degree holder.. WHEN GOD STEP INTO YOUR LIFE AND UPLIFT U UP.. CERTIFICATE WILL BE NOTHING
your entire level go change people will even forget which school u go
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by holygeral(m): 2:52pm On Dec 17, 2017
ARE YOU GOD? HE KNOWS WHAT TO DO AND WHEN TO DO WHAT HE KNOWS HOW TO DO BEST....MY CASE IS DIFFERENT!
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by malikisunday(m): 2:53pm On Dec 17, 2017
what do you advise anybody that have HND already? To go back to university or to go for PGD?
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by lukaino(m): 2:54pm On Dec 17, 2017
First, I want to thank the OP for this post.
I graduated from a polytechnic 16 years ago with an upper credit. I have been working for about 14yrs now, so I believe I have the necessary background and experience to give some sound advice on this subject.

The discrimination against HND graduates started with the government of Nigeria who rated the Bsc above the HND. This is very evident by the minimum qualifications often set by many government ministries, departments and agencies. For example, an HND holder cannot apply to an agency such as NERC while others who employ HND, make them juniors to Bsc holders regardless of experience.
This simply implies that the HND certificate was created by the government to play second fiddle in the labour market.

In the private sector, the situation is worse. The HND graduates are sought after by mostly Asian/ middle East companies (I. e Chinese, Indians & Lebanese) who give nothing but poor wages with harsh working conditions.

Being an HND graduate, places a limit on your eligibility for employment in blue chip companies. For example, Telecom, banking, IT, etc, have little or no place for you. And even if they employ you, they give you petty roles whereby your highest role would be an Assistant manager.

Trust me, the painful part of being an HND holder is when you find out that you can only apply for 4 out of 15 job openings. It's that bad.

In order to improve our chances of getting good jobs, most HND graduates(myself included) ended up seeking part time admissions into Universities to obtain Bsc certificates. Unilag for instance admits polytechnic graduates with lower credit to 100 level while upper credit HND holders get admitted to 300 level. (HND graduates always outshine others in class)

You can save yourself the trouble by not buying that polytechnic form while the government can save us all the trouble by either scrapping these polytechnics or upgrading them to become degree awarding institutions.

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by chibuike53(m): 2:56pm On Dec 17, 2017
LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.

BEST POST EVER.I AM A GRADUATE OF FED POLY NEKEDE. I CAN TELL U BOLDLY THAT I WENT BACK TO UNIVERSITY AND I HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF RECOGNITION AND SELF PURPOSE.HND CERTIFICATE IS SIMPLY A DEATH TRAP TO SAY THE LEAST.@OP GOD WILL FOR EVER BLESS YOU.NO MATTER HOW POSITIVE U ARE OR HOW MANY MOTIVATIONAL BOOKS U HV READ,THE OBVIOUS TRUTH IS SHUN HND AND EMBRACE BSC

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Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by LilSmith55(m): 3:00pm On Dec 17, 2017
My plan is finish with HND and do direct entry to Uni... It isn't bad to have the three degree
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by highbee02: 3:02pm On Dec 17, 2017
LibertyRep:
If you are not self employed already and would be seeking for employment after your program, please I beg you in the name of whatever you worship, don't buy that HND form.

Don't make that mistake. Buy Direct Entry form or buy UTME form to start afresh at a conventional University. You also have the opportunity of approaching any Open University study center close to you and explore the opportunities therein available. All of these would eventually make you get a University degree. Worry less about the number of years and fund involved. Please don't buy that HND form.

Don't be fooled by those who will tell you that you can always proof your worth on the field. See, the truth is that you may not even be given the opportunity to proof anything at all. A large percentage of Nigerian employers including the government worship certificates and there isn't any traces that they might change any soon.

Take for instance, Ogun government commenced the sale of ASCON forms for the employment into the civil service of the state and HND holders are barred from partaking in the exercise. Even if you make it to the civil service through other avenues, there's is a level beyond which you can't rise because of your HND background. Why would you want to be subjected to such ridicule? Don't buy that form!


You may also be thinking of doing PGD, Masters and PhD later on. Well some universities wouldn't let you pass the Masters stage. LASU for Instance specifically stated that MED holders with HND and PGDE background are not eligible to apply for PhD. You see, the discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it later on. Please drop the idea of the HND form.

What I don't understand is why the government and others in charge of our education have not scrapped these Polytechnics. Why would they allow them to churn out products that are not accorded the right respect in the society? Scrap the Polytechnics or at best stop them from awarding HND Certificates forthwith

Don't get carried away with the fact that HND holders are also called graduates and are allowed to partake in the NYSC scheme. See, the euphoria of their 'graduates' status expires with NYSC. If you doubt me, try to pick up a masters form with your HND after your NYSC. The discrimination is huge and you wouldn't like it.

Whilst it is true that some HND holders are doing very very well in their various fields, their percentage is also very very small compared to those battling with the ridiculous discrimination both in public and private establishments. Why would you therefore allow yourself experience such mockery after spending five years pursuing the certificate. (2 years for ND, 1 year for IT and another 2 years for the HND)

It is good to be educated but please be educated properly at least In Nigeria's context. This is because the most ridiculed certificate in Nigeria now is the HND Certificate.

Again, if you don't have a business of your own and would be seeking employment later on, don't buy that HND form. My two cents.
Re: Stop! Don't Buy That HND Form! by dancok(m): 3:08pm On Dec 17, 2017
both of them are trash papers,i have B A after so much wait for job,i went into trade straight and photocopying business all join.

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